Is it difficult to escape reincarnation? Like, do you have to live your life in a very specific way or is just being a chill dude enough? Or are we just stuck here forever like I’ve seen some anons here say? Also, what’s the deal with that demiurge guy - does he just want us to suffer or is everything supposed to be balanced or what? /x/pill me.
Are you fucking retarded or something? "Can I just be a chill dude?"Imbecile. Truly. Reincarnate into a bug
>>42178360Okay, I’m a retard. Glad we got that out of the way early.
We live in a broken loosh wheel dukkah. The Buddah discovered a new wheel of dharma we can use to escape into enlightenment. Maybe enter the pure lands by collect merit. You need about 20. Eventually it turn from negative loose into a gift that keeps on giving.
>>42178356>is just being a chill dude enough?Essentially yes, but in a specific way which isn't easy because there are many invisible fetters keeping you attached to the grinding wheel of Samsara. Learning to see the chains holding you in place will help set you free.
>>42178356You wish to escape the cycle, but when have you reached out into the stream of life and rescued others from theirs?
>>42178387>come join this wheel instead of this oneNo thanks, no more wheel for me. I'm outta here. (not OP btw)>>42178919>but when have you reached out into the stream of life and rescued others from theirs?The same reason you don't help a drowning person who can't swim. You might have the best intentions, but they're just gonna pull you down with them. It sounds selfish but it's true, you have to detach from everything here if you truly want to leave. You're not detaching from a place of maliciousness, just simply detaching because it's what you must do. After death your soul goes where it truly wants to be, and if it desires to be here again in any capacity, well, enjoy your trip in the loop again. That's how they trap you in here, it isn't with some astral soul catcher that traps you on the way out, it's yourself, YOU'RE the one keeping you here. The trick 'they' actually use for keeping you here is the manipulation of your ego.You see, the ego is basically a shell that forms over your true self, and if you fail to remove that shell when it comes time to loop again you'll be unable to leave, since you're essentially still tethered to this place. That's why 'they' try so hard to manipulate you throughout life and keep you desiring this material world, it's not that desiring material things is wrong, it's that they make you ONLY desire THIS material world, which is why you come straight back here and not somewhere else. You don't actually want anything outside of this world, you want to come back to the same pleasures and indulgences this place provides, even if it's awful to you, and even if you can't admit it to yourself. It's like you're in a toxic relationship with that one ex who you keep going back to, it's candy you can't stop eating even though you know you'll feel sick later, etc. They have you hooked on this world like a drug, detox from it (detach) and you'll actually escape it. Yearn for a better world, and a better world you shall have.
>>42179110I never really get what the ego actually is. Is it the entirety of who I believe I am with all my memories? Is it just the kind of material based loops and animal brain quick thinking parts of us? Some people say parts of your ego are kind of still imparted into your real self, others say the real self is just using you like a character in a game and may simply discard it when they're done with it. I don't get what about me is the ego exactly so I'm not sure what exactly I should be focusing on to be able to let go of it.Its like what you're saying about detachment form this world. I believe that those who hate this world and have done nothing to be apart of it (no kids, no impact, no meaningful contribution, all out of conscious choice not just being a loser) will have a better time avoid reincarnation. But if those memories and ideals are apart of my ego then won't they just be removed in death then and I'll have no real way to avoid it?
>>42178356It's easy, effortless even. People reincarnate because they deliberately cling to this world.
>>42179581I imagine it's just a shell, when you come into this world for the first time you are your completely true self, then the ego is something that forms over the top of it. When you die you probably shed most of the ego but keep enough parts of it, enough to go back into the next life with knowledge/experience which is probably people tapping into their past lives. The ego is actually the thing desiring to constantly return here to finish unfinished business, if you love having sex here, want to raise a child here, want to be famous/successful, want another round to experience something you never got the chance to, you'll always want to come back. This was probably fine at first, but you can tell at some point this system has been hijacked by entities and they are abusing the nature of the ego to essentially trap people here, most likely to harvest the essence they generate in the process. Instead of experiencing Earth a few times before being satisfied and leaving, they keep you constantly wanting more. They probably deliberately torture you in life so you'll want to go another round in the hopes of not being tortured again, when in reality it's just an endless trap that keeps repeating itself.The solution is obviously to just not desire to return here. The best way I found it to simply desire to be somewhere else. Think "I want to go to this reality instead of this one" and you'll slowly steer yourself towards the direction of it. It's at this point you'll start to see the issue, if you want to go to this new (x) place you'll have to completely let go of here, because once you leave that's it, you're not coming back. That's why you have to completely detach, dissolve the ego, the shell you've built around yourself here, and let it go. If you do this right the next time you die they'll be no incentive to even come back here, you'll ACTUALLY be able to leave.
>>42178356Escaping reincarnation is metaphysically impossible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g
>>42178356Word on the street is to go away from the light
>>42182045You'll probably end up in another reality, maybe not 100% exactly what you asked for, but something more in tune for you at the very least. You'll go there and probably build another ego, but this time (hopefully) it won't be abused like the system we currently live in. If it's shit again, at the very least you'll be able to leave using the same method again. This probably explains how most of us ended up here in the first place, we weren't put here for some grand purpose, we're probably just souls universe/reality hopping in hopes of finding a place that suits us, then ended up here by sheer coincidence. We are probably just 'trying' Earth out to see if we like it, like you would when trying new food/drink. Some people probably like it and stay, but people like us obviously hate it and want nothing more than to leave. Or you could be in my position, where you don't mind Earth but you're basically forced to leave now because it's been taken over by cults/entities. The important thing is to choose what YOU want to do. Choose whether or not you want to stay by YOUR choice, not because someone else told you. The only way to get the true answer though is to dissolve the ego, because it's covering up the real answer. The real you probably wants to leave, but the ego could be telling you to stay, go one more round because "I want to experience this!" which essentially traps you into going again.I might add, some people think removing your ego removes your autonomy and sense of self which scares the fuck out of them, but imo I think this is one big psyop. The ego is just shit that forms over the top of you, if you remove it you're still (you) underneath, you don't "return to the source" or some other bullshit. I think it's another psyop they use to scare you into holding onto the ego>good goy, don't let go of that ego>if you do then all that you are will cease to exist!When in reality letting the ego go is the best thing for you, since you're actually (you)
>>42182134actually its even worse than you describe ego is other people mental image of you even more than that it is trauma from having to bend the knee just to survive even when you see how wrong it is we are forced to shape and wear a mask instead of being our true self because exactly as you said it scares others everyone want you to be just as dumb as them bru and yet we have to live through childhood and educational hierarchy until we actually are capable of escape and by that time like it or not the corruption has seeped in through self doubt and pride
>>42182287>ego is other people mental image of youI know exactly where you're coming from. I probably phrased it differently but I do think it is more this. I think the 'shell' isn't even entirely you, in reality it's just projection from other people that has accumulated over time. There is probably a small part of the ego that is created by you personally, but the majority of it is just shit people have pushed onto you. Like you said, it's basically a mask you have to wear, you're forced to be spiritually two faced. You learn what is right and wrong through the ego, not what is spiritually right and wrong, leading to a warped sense of morality (I do believe there is a universal morality). The resulting carapace is sometimes so monstrous that it doesn't even resemble the true person underneath. Some people only have a thin veil of ego over them, thus they're truer to themselves, but the more manipulated ones are buried underneath a thick layer of shit to the point where they're unrecognizable. I think the modern world is designed to bury a person underneath their ego as far a possible, thus making it harder for them to escape the reincarnation trap. That's the truly sickening part, but it also gives the hint on how to escape this shit too.If burying you underneath the ego is what's trapping you here it only makes sense that the opposite would liberate you.
>>42182287>>42182536So it sounds like its the ego is the material based loops idea I had. The kind of almost automated constructs in our brain that are based upon societal elements. Like doing things out of obligation not desire. The way we almost have a societal filter that checks all we experience and attempts to prerender judgement to scenarios. You see this person, you treat them this way just because you gotta. I guess maybe us losers here don't really act like that as often as some crazy normie would but yeah I guess it makes sense why so many of them would view this ego striping as a horrible thing. Because they're whole life is based upon this false construct often made just to align with others. They've become so accustomed to he mask they don't think there's anything else underneath. I think that's where the whole "losing your ego is bad!". To them its losing everything. If you don't really distinguish what the ego really is it makes you feel like you're losing the real parts of yourself, when really its just the annoying societal habits you never cared for that much.
how do we even know there is an escape?
>>42178356You’re a raindrop asking if there’s a way to stop the water cycle. The answer is no, but you’re in luck. We’re bordering on the end of reincarnation now that ascension is possible due to our technological progress
>>42182969People that arent dead told us so
>>42182045Ok and then you leave and go where? And feel what? And be what? Have you ever thought that maybe you yourself wanted to come back because you were bored and wanted to actually feel something and be something instead of just laughing at how retarded people look when they're dancing? No doubt there are entities that know things that they use to exploit ignorant people but does that justify the decision to be in a nothing cube forever?
>>42182071what happens when the universe achieves total entropy? Uniformly spread particles that are really far apart can't sustain anything, let alone life.
>>42178356reincarnation is not real retard. you people are insufferable
>>42183064>he's been tricked into thinking there's nothing outside this hell matrix realmI weep for you
>>42183097>reincarnation is not real retard. you people are insufferable
>>42179110>Yearn for a better world, and a better world you shall have.Id rather yearn for a sweet nonexistence.
>>42183073If proton decay is a thing then everything will decay into massless photons. For photons time and space are meaningless. The information about the universe's size and time disappears and the universe returns to a state that's similar to the pre big bang nothingness one would imagine
>>42183387Then that's exactly what you'll get
>>42178356Have you tried not asking the faggots who obviously failed at it otherwise they wouldn't be here? Only spirits know, as they haven't come back
>>42179581Those who detach so extremely from this world are ignorants and disrespectful of God's creation and will.Yes, some measure of detachment is necessary to not go insane in this complex, beautiful and ugly incomprehensible to us world. But too much will make you spiritually ignorant, arrogant and useless. You will not revel or appreciate its beauty, the effort put into it, will not contribute anything to it beyond and will not be able to see the entire cosmic picture - which involves both form and spirit. There is a purpose for why you incarnated, why you feel these things and become attached to the beauty and comfort and stability of God's creation around you
>>42183462and then...bang?
>>42183829>knows God's will>doesnt sharehide post
maybe bit out of topic, but those aliens bros who crashed here on Earth are now trapped too? maybe autistics are those ayylmao dudes
>>42178356There are two types of reincarnation: physical and spiritual.To avoid physical reincarnation, you have to make sure your corpse gets sealed into a copper coffin and hidden away when you die (ex: english royal family and popes).To avoid spiritual reincarnation you have to be so mentally deviated from the rest of humanity, that your archetype becomes impossible to replicate.
>>42183970obviously it includes experiencing the material creation with more or less all its implications, as a soul that has a body. so detaching from the material in such an extreme way defeats the purpose of incarnating on earth. yes you should wrestle your own demons and rise above your limitations to the extent that your complex misunderstood body allows you - within the code/rules of the world. but becoming inhumanely detached and void of presence is an impressive feat but ultimately, likely, useless spiritually
>>42184273This is like waking up in prison and concluding that the state must WANT you in prison because there is a great thing to be learned and experienced.No, you are in prison because you fucked up, and you need to get better.
>>42179110>You might have the best intentions, but they're just gonna pull you down with them.Where there's a will there's a way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpqfAqDaGOA
The truth is that this world is meant to farm energy gathered from suffering for some unknown purpose. You get reincarnated into the demiurge network and forced to live through several cycles with the only purpose being to ultimately suffer. The biggest thing you can do right now for yourself is to keep your energy for yourself and not let others take it from you. This material world is basically a giant battery for someone. But, people think this line of thinking is schizophrenic. This is my first cycle, and I have already woken up to the truth. I shall return to my people after this life is done.
>>42178356Best I can think of is:1- staying in 'bad vibrations' in purgatory so you're not rescued (although you'll probably give out to god's infinite willppwer)Or2- staying as a good helping spirit, or 'guardian angel', although that requires morality which will probably distract you from your objective, and you wouldn't resist.You'll give in either way. Maybe at the end of evolution there will be a stop to reincarnation? After all reincarnation does begin to slow down with the passage of your evolutionary stages. Idk.
>>42183829>Those who detach so extremely from this world are ignorants and disrespectful of God's creation and will.Holy demiurge post
>>42182723>If you don't really distinguish what the ego really is it makes you feel like you're losing the real parts of yourself, when really its just the annoying societal habits you never cared for that much.Literally this. It's just a bunch of projection of other people forcing their beliefs and thought patterns onto you, then gaslighting you into thinking that's actually you.
>>42183073The human mind is incapable of comprehending how the universe really works, that's why we create theories that get altered or disproven completely with time, universal entropy is one of the theories used to explain what we won't be able to comprehend, at least in a few reincarnations. Short answer: It's not gonna happen
>>42179110This reptile is poisoning the well. There is absolutely a soul catcher keeping us trapped in a loop and farming our loosh. I have heard this shit back in the early 2000s, before I had internet from a remote viewer. Of course he didn't specifically refer to himself as a remote viewer
>>42178356Earth is a prison.If your sentence is 5,000 years, you will "reincarnate" for 5,000 years.Nothing mystical, magical or wonderful. You are in a prison.
>>42178356from what I've gathered, from listening to Ndes and gurus on youtube, reincarnation kind of happens mostly because of attachments, as in, you love your family too much, or you have a sexual kink that couldn't be satisfied in life, so then you cross over and you are "convinced" by whatever is there to come back for another life and try again, in theory you should have decision power in this instance, but the you that you are outside your body is much different, akin to the who you are in your dreams, more spontaneous, and so for most people here on earth that negotiation face almost always end up in reincarnation, and the trick to avoid it seems to be to truly deeply convince yourself, believe that this realm is a simulation and nothing here is real, and there is nothing this realm can offer you anymore, at that point, your soul will simply know the way out.as for the demiurge, the xpill no one wants to admit, the infohazard, the demiurge is an allegory for you, yes, you are the creator God with amnesia, this matrix is wrong simply as result from amnesia, which is intentional as is an exercise of doing things wrong so that you learn to wake from inside the game, it's also an exercise in reality creation, that's it. there is no serpent lion out to get you, its an allegory that got corrupted and misinterpreted over time
>>42186152Okay buddy, if there's a soul catcher then how do you beat it? Enlighten all of us, you seem to know what you're talking about.A soul catcher implies that they somehow have ownership over your soul or can manipulate it directly and you have no sovereignty or autonomy, which is completely contradictory to the nature of what a soul is. It makes more sense that you're the one with all the control over your soul and in reality they can't touch you, which is why they have to resort to manipulation and making you doubt yourself to keep you stuck here. If they can just trap you on the way out why bother with all the gaslighting? They could just endlessly torture you for fun and it wouldn't matter cause they could just catch you on the way out and drag you back in again.
>>42186195By saying "I disagree with the agreement/contract I made during amnesia" while standing in front of the tunnel
You reincarnate as the thing with the biggest consciousness gravity. The next era we will reincarnate as robots
>>42178356You are stuck in samsara in a cosmic cycle of rebirth and death, only way free of it is achieving nirvana and dying without any attachments to this world.
>>42186217You're assuming that there was some sort of agreement/contract to begin with, and you didn't come here by your own merit>>42186315This
>>42178356I talked with dead people the other day, they were near I lived and said I wouldn't be here again when I died. Seems like you grow out of where man is fairly quickly.Lots of people when they die say bye to me as a fair well to Earth.
>>42178356Soon we’ll be able to get out of here with our memories intact, I promise. For now, though, we’ve been taken over by the reptilians.
>>42186331I think a big hint that you're on the final stage of leaving is the feeling of being in some kind of dimensional waiting room. As in, you don't have an urge to learn any new lessons or things that need to be experienced, you're kind of just waiting around. Like when you're waiting in the airport for your flight to arrive, or like when you're playing an RPG and only have a few more quests left before you 100% the game, you can tell the true end is approaching. Not the end 'death' but the end as in leaving the cycle once and for all. If there are things that you still want to experience it's completely possible that the next reality/universe you go to will have those things you're looking for too, there's just simply no more reason to stay here, you're just waiting around for the exit to arrive.It's a kind of melancholic bittersweet feeling, and strangely comforting despite how morbid the implications are.
If you die before you die you won't die (come back here) when you die. For who is to say that life is not death and death is not life?
>>42186320its more like wishful thinking on my part. im just a curious soul, and it’s rooted in what I’ve seen from near death experiences and remote viewing reports.you know my biggest problem is the fact that we have so called intellectuals spending their entire careers engaging in all kinds of abstruse conceptual speculation and they never even look at the data from parapyschology let alone try to think thru it on their own. its a travestyand yeah, according to this dataset, it basically suggests that weve become something like a farm for reptilian beings that all of us are being harvested in a way. the idea is that whenever we experience extreme emotions whether it’s intense joy, ecstasy, fear, or dread, they’re somehow “feeding” on that energy.apparently, the way to stop it is by asserting your lack of consent in those moments. just saying “I don’t consent” is supposed to block it, based on how these laws of reality are said to work.the more optimistic part is that, recently, they’re supposedly no longer allowed to do this. and right now, as we speak, they’re said to be withdrawing from major institutions and systems, which is why we’re seeing structures breaking down and more things coming to light.
>>42186742>it basically suggests that we've become something like a farm for reptilian beings that all of us are being harvested in a way100%, you don't even need data you can just tell instinctually that something is up>the way to stop it is by asserting your lack of consent in those moments. just saying “I don’t consent” is supposed to block itI do think this as well, it's what gives me grounds to think that you actually have complete control over your soul, because if you didn't saying you don't consent wouldn't matter cause they would just trap you anyway. I do think it's just a simple matter of saying no to all of it, whether or not the soul trap is a device or you yourself creating it is kind of irrelevant when you think about it, because I think either way the escape is the same. Just saying "Enough is enough, I'm leaving and you're not stopping me" and taking control.
>>42184956kek but the state does WANT you in there if you fucked up. It actually wants you there even if you did not fuck up, basically in a camp.You just gotta take it all in, both the material and spiritual experience I mean. Good for spiritual growth
at a certain level you can escape reincarnation into matter and upgrade but sometimes its fun to come back with cheat codes
>>42178356immortality would be a way to stop the cycle and just stay in your current life forever. if science and medicine gets to the point where they can keep a human healthy and alive forever and repair any damage and replace cells. you wouldn't be invincible, but you could live as long as you wanted to assuming no accidents happen or no one kills you. then I guess if you ever get bored with this existence you can stop taking the cure and see what the next roll gives you
>>42179581>I don't get what about me is the ego exactly so I'm not sure what exactly I should be focusing on to be able to let go of it.Meditation.
>>42189247this has become such a fucking buzzwordi know it has weight and meaning but it just gets thrown around for anything that it's devoid of any substance at this point and can literally mean ANYTHING that you focus or not focus your mind on
>>42178356>buddhism>gnosticismPick one you fucking newage twat.
>>42189733You can pick both.
>>42183036and you trust them?
