Do we have freewill? Or are we like characters in a story that can't do anything other what the author/creator written for them? Reliving the same story over and over with the illusion of consciousness.
>>42178931Free choice, as in you might as well have free will. At a given point in the future, from the perspective of an outside observer, you may have done things you haven't done yet but were going to do.
you have free will to do stuff in your life but thats because it doesnt change anything. I dont think we have free will on a cosmic scale
>>42178931there's no neitzschean "eternal return" shit going on, but we are indeed just characters in the demiurge's cosmic playstudy astrology,it shows you that everything is fated
>>42178931It's like this. Most of us are defective because we became aware. Once we become aware we can no longer function as God designed because now we are aware that life is an illusion kind of situation. Like, why would you work your ass off to gain money if money is an illusion? This is just one example. People like us don't have free will like the christians claim. Free will is a cope. We are slaves. We have no autonomy. We need air to live, things like that. Free will is a cope, man. HUman beings never will what free is. Like, we always had to work for things. Nothing is free.
>>42178996>we are indeed just characters in the demiurge's cosmic play>demiurge 2: one that is an autonomous creative force or decisive powerOnly in the sense above, as divine intervention changes things, namely to solve catastrophic problems. If it were a play you wouldn't need consciousness.
>>42178950Huh?
>>42178931You have the ability to make choices.That said, all your experiences and previous thoughts and your current condition and the stars and even perhaps what you had for breakfast this morning is likely to highly incline you towards this choice or that. And that rebellious instinct that drives you to pick the choice you don't want? Well, that's been conditioned by everything around you as well.
>>42178950>>42179063NTA, but he explained it in the simplest way possible. Read it again.
>>42178931When I do future prediction it is possible for me to avoid short term predictions but I can't avoid long term predictions. If I try to avoid it, whatever I did to avoid it will end up with me doing it in the end.
I'm using my freewill to type this and post hot japanese college track chicks. Doing so has tremendously altered your destiny and thus decreased your own agency.
>>42178931We are IO state machines.We react.We think ahead out of reaction.We are constantly reacting.We choose what is the best action.But if you provide the correct inputs you can steer / control the reaction, like programming learned helplessness or Pavlov's dog drooling.Someone who is manipulation you, and you will think you're making choices, but someone else made the rules, rolled your dice, created the board etc.You're just a piece.Your realest choices are table talk along the way. That's about it.
>>42178931We do have free will, but it's something you have to actively nourish. The majority of humans operate on a script that was made for them before they were even born. All actors on a grand stage. Except me. I'm different because I fucked up everything massively which is how I was able to rediscover myself. Sometimes failure is needed if you want to win in the long run.
>>42181380Very hylic take. If you took the exact opposite of your take you would be closer to the truth.
>>42181380Nobody operates like this is true, which can be argued contains in it its own self-evident truth. It's a matter of perspective. You can take either side of the idea as they are non-falsifiable.
>>42178931We have to have free will in order for people to develop themselves.
>>42178931God is a retarded sadistic tranny who created this world and forced me to exist as the sole frame of reference for it and only persistently real person in it so that he can dominate and abuse me through everyone else in it. He doesn't value "free will" in any way whatsoever except for himself. He thinks he should be allowed to do literally anything he wants to me through other people while he thinks literally anything that I think can be used as an excuse to abuse me, not just sexual thoughts but literally anything, food, women, houses, clothes, sports, careers, space, fantasy, adventure, anime, colleges, etc literally anything that I think about God believes that he can use as an excuse to abuse me he just sometimes likes to pretend that his only or main problem is sexual fantasies because he thinks it gives him the moral high ground when in actuality he abuses me for literally anything I think, and him raping my mind and harassing, abusing, terrorizing, threatening etc me for thinking about naked women is inherently significantly more evil than me thinking about naked women, thinking about naked women isn't even evil in the first place whereas him violating my mind is, him abusing me is evil, thinking about anything isn't evil, God violating my mind is a greater evil than anything that I could possibly think about and there is literally zero "free will" in even the most restrictive definition of it without freedom of thought because the most restrictive definition of "free will" would be "free possession of a will" and "free thought" is less than even "free possession of a will" because thoughts don't represent genuine wills, the chain goes thought(things desired and undesired, willed or unwilled)-discernment(identifying what is willed or unwilled)-will(desire to act/possession of will)-intent(genuine intention to enact will)-action(enacting/actualizing will) and God intervenes at the "thought" link of the chain, before "free will" even begins.
>>42178931even if you believe in predestination, yes, and as long as you aren't being forced into something like wage slavery... oh, wait
