I feel so genuinely lost as to what to actually believe spiritually. Starting to think there's bits of truth in many belief systems but not one religion or philosophy has it entirely right.The ancient Chinese and Greeks seemingly got the closest.
>>42190785To help you out, Anon: None of it is literally true.All of the religions serve as archetypal symbols to reflect hidden, inner truths within your spirit.If you're looking for truth in ridgid dogma, or falling into one camp - you will find yourself disappointed.
>>42190785Just pick one anon.
>>42190785Selfless goodSelfish badGod goodMan sad Happy ending on the horizon.
>>42190785well dont pigeonhole yourself into a sect or ideologyancient chinaling' and haylanes weren't in 1 when they got as far as they did
>>42190785Also consider the possibility that god isn't as all loving as people claim. The demiurge man. I wish I could say otherwise but unfortunately I have hard evidence of this.
>>42190785Adau shraddha, tatah sadhu sanga, bhajana kriya, anartha nivrtih...First have faith. Then look for saints, actual ones. Then start practicing. And then purification will occurr. Not beforeAvoid this garbage thinking>>42190880Its another trap of the ego. Real popular amongst masonic new age hippie drug addicts. Its the opposite end of the spectrum for religious fanaticsKeep reading maybe youll get it. But its best to hear from people who are firmly established spiritually
>>42190956>There are over 10,000 religions worldwide (Wasserman, 2024)yeah anon, just pick one
>>42190785The religion that has humanoids that harass the sleeping person in sleep paralysis has my vote. God doesn't do anything about it too, so just goes to show even in the supernatural god doesn't move his hand.That's why most religions are fake and gay, god simply doesn't exist to the capacity to stop "evil"A person can first-hand experience this truth. What people think of a higher power, may be a power, but it's certainly not higher, but equal in capacity to a human.When people invoke Jesus's name against demons, they forget that just moving the body causes them to disappear.
>>42191053gnostisim still has an all loving god no?less all powerfull , but he still fills a very similar philosophical spot right?or I am retarded.
>>42190785What's your background?>national>ethnic>sex/gender/sexuality>profession/field of study>class background
>>42190785You are correct. There's a little truth in everything but nothing is 100% right. Now, trust common sense and your own observation. The truth doesn't need others to defend it. It also doesn't need books of "secret hidden lore" as truth is self evident with observation and reflection.
>>42190785>Starting to think there's bits of truth in many belief systems but not one religion or philosophy has it entirely right.The only way you can say this is if you already think you have the answer, and all you are doing is seeing which system is closest to your own ego.
>>42191786> Thinking anyone actually has the answer
>>42191798I didn't say I thought that. Only that you can't say they are all wrong.
>>42190785Depends. I can give you facts, but it's not a path for everyone How would you feel if I told you evil, fear, decay, rotting flesh, wasps devouring a corpse arent to be rejected?
>>42190785Just do psychedelic drugs and see which spirits you meet. Unironically.
>>42190785Alright anon I’m gonna help you out because you seem like a good kid.If someone were to describe the taste of orange juice, would you know what it tasted like? If someone described to you love, would you know what love felt like? If someone described to you a kiss, sex, or walking, would you know what they felt like? The answer is no. Plain simple no. If you try to say yes, you are absolutely just wrong. We can only know these things - and I mean truly know them - if we experience them.Now on to the spirituality. Well, it’s just the same way. The bits of truth you’re detecting are proof that the light that is your consciousness is awakening (otherwise referred to as “enlightenment”, “nirvana”, “salvation”). What you have to understand, when you find these truths, is that they are not THE truth. They are merely signposts, they are the writer trying to describe an experience that you can’t possibly know until you just experience it.The question then is how. Well, that depends on you. Meditation is essential, but people are so fucking gay about meditation. Meditation is personal. I like to look at trees. Put me in a room with candles and some guy telling me to breath in peace and breath out hate and I’ll end up wanting to kill myself. Suggested reading: A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle, Cat’s Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl
>>42190785>Greeks seemingly got the closest.this one
>>42190785For Greek stuff, start by reading the Homeric and Orphic hymns, along with Hesiod's Theogony and Works and Days. I'm not super familiar with Chinese traditions, but the Zhuangzi seems like a logical place to start. It's one of the founding texts of Taoism. Personally I think the Greeks probably had it right. They were the peak of western civilization, studied the Egyptians extensively, and their stuff was good enough that the Romans decided to copy them. Ultimately it's up to you though. Find the cultures that interest you the most, study their beliefs, and use what you can. History is full of religious syncretism, there's nothing wrong with pulling from multiple faiths.
>>42191884>they are the writer trying to describe an experience that you can’t possibly know until you just experience it.No one would eve say this about a description of tasting orange juice.It is ONLY spirituality that we say this, so trying to parallel it to other experience does not work.The only reason we say it about spirituality is because we want to ascribe more than what is truly there.
>>42190785The path to wisdom requires forgetting. Losing dogma, beliefs, and principles. That which is real and true is readily available to everyone at all times; it is merely that observable reality. Wise and spiritual men do nothing more than observe that reality with less, to none ideological clutter.>Starting to think there's bits of truth in many belief systemsThey all spring from the same source.>The ancient Chinese and Greeks seemingly got the closest.Indeed, Heraclitus and Lao Tsu with the Tao. >>42191884Indeed, what he calls signposts I call pointers, the same thing, a finger pointing towards something. The finger itself is not the thing, to see it you have to follow through and observe it yourself.
>>42192132>No one would eve say this about a description of tasting orange juice.Yes they would. We don't even know if different people see the same colors. Half the world population could see "red" as what the other half sees as "green" and it'd be literally impossible to tell.
>>42192147>Yes they would.No they don't. To ask someone to describe a flavor and you'll just get a description.>We don't even know if different people see the same colorsIrrelevant, we are talking about describing experience, not whether they are the same.People describe what they see all the time.>Half the world population could see "red" as what the other half sees as "green" and it'd be literally impossible to tell.You realize we have tests to tell if someone sees colors the same way?That a great many people don't see colors the same, and we can prove this?Of course you don't, you haven't given this any real thought beyond the navel gazing "we cant know nuffin."
theres more proof of the other planets movements affecting us than any "gods" up there
>>42191368No, my variant is lhp to become god yourself, no one above.
>>42190785There's only 1 thing you can be absolutely sure of to be true on a fundamental level that not even space nor time is more fundamentally truer than it - and that's your own present moment of consciousness.You want 1 undeniable fact that can guide your spiritual journey in life? Then the answer is literally right in front of you - or in this case, right within you - and It's your own consciousness in its purest form.Nothing else is more fundamentally truer than that. And if somebody counters with God, well that's basically what God is. God is the source of all consciousness. It's that simple.
>>42190785I know you are tired, but come… this is the way
>>42190785You feel lost because there's nothing to beleive in anymore. What are you doing to believe in? Love? Spare me. Jesus? Spare me. I mean, I think you have a point when you say that you feel lost spiritually. I think there's no other way to feel, but like that, lost. I mean, if you were following a religion like a sheep, say you were a christian, while you would not be feeling lost that doesn't mean that you are not being deceived or used. People fall for christianity because it offers easy answers for the biggest questions out there. The fact that you feel lost spiritually it's a good sign because there's not a single religion in this gay ass reality that is good. So the fact that you don't follow any religion is a good sign, especially because you know there is something out there, it's not like you are an atheist. So that's a good sign. Don't fret about it. This means that you are not a golem.
>>42192350>Irrelevant, we are talking about describing experience, not whether they are the same.Experiences cannot be described. It is impossible to tell someone who has never seen blue what the experience of seeing blue is like.>You realize we have tests to tell if someone sees colors the same way?No we don't. The sensitivity of the cones in your eyes to photons and the different wavelengths of photons is a completely orthogonal topic to the qualia of color. Nothing whatsoever in the field of optical science, neurobiology, physics, whatever, tells you what seeing "blue" is like. Maybe you don't have qualia? Are you an NPC?
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Try Christianity, the obviously true religion everyone in this thread is in denial about. They’d have you believe in “ancient Taoism+Gnosticism+Zoroastrianism” because they’re scared that the truth could have been right there in front of them all along and instead want to use religion as a unique and quirky, self-aggrandizing personality trait. It’s the equivalent of teenage girls dying their hair blue; uniqueness without effort.So, if you’re lost spiritually, I’d recommend the comprehensive framework for viewing all things that Christianity offers rather than cobbling together a bunch of nonsense from incompatible, extinct religions thousands of miles away from each other and originating in cultures you have no connection to.Take yourself seriously, anon.
>>42190785the Greeks lost the keys with their excessive poeticizing
>>42193606>Experiences cannot be described.Maybe for hylics.
>>42193606>Nothing whatsoever in the field of optical science, neurobiology, physics, whatever, tells you what seeing "blue" is like.Funny, that is exactly what has happened.There are people who we have proven don't see the color blue.
all abrahamic religions are false demiurge worship>>42195209>christianity>grovel to this rabbi and help israel build a third temple>you'll get heaven this way goylmao get out
>>42195209>My religion, so obvious, it doesnt do shit
>>42190785Yep there’s a thread of truth in each system
>>42195209>I’d recommend the comprehensive framework for viewing all things that Christianity offers rather than cobbling together a bunch of nonsense from incompatible, extinct religions>cobbling together a bunch of nonsense from incompatible, extinct religionsAre you retarded? The Old Testament is just a bunch of shit the Jews stole from other Mesopotamian religions. And Christianity just started out as a Jewish mystery cult pulling ideas from Greek mythology, Jesus is just a shitty mashup of Dionysus and Asclepius. Most early Christian groups were gnostic and they just merged their dumb Jewish cult with Platonism.
>>42190785>The ancient Chinese and Greeks seemingly got the closestThen it seems you are the farthest from the truth as one can possibly be.One who sees the truth in everything is blind to their own ignorance.
>>42200430NTA but you have never read the old testement.A reoccurring theme in it is that the israelites were constantly punished by God for choosing to follow other Gods and religions, including the "mesopoyamian" religions.The new tesrement condemns Platonism, so again, you don't know anything about Christianity
>>42190785>Starting to think there's bits of truth in many belief systemsOh shit. Whether or not that's true, when you start saying that, it usually signals an eminent psychological collapse. I'm actually of the opinion that there is some truth in most belief systems, but it's when you're actually arriving at that conclusion and thinking about it that it means you could be about to go insane. It's called a prodrome. It's the period in between when you start to develop schizophrenia and when it actually settles in, and exposing yourself to a wide variety of beliefs and seeing truth in them speeds it up, particularly when you're between the ages of eighteen and twenty four. I suggest that you take a huge step back from whatever esoteric literature you've been reading for the time being to retain your sanity. I'm not saying you will go crazy for certain, but it sounds like you're headed there.
>>42200522nta but last time I checked old testament can't decide if it worships el, yahweh, elohim or whateverfuck.>b-but it's just different namesif that's true then the pronouns and it's grammatical number should stay the same no? it goes from he (singular) to they (plural) to xir (or whatever is the nongender globohomo pronoun) and flip flops every other verse.>exodus 3:4 elohim (plural) called unto him>exodus 20:4 I am thy eloheka (singular)sorry but god of all people/things should be the one to know what the fuck it is no? jew worshippers always talk how it is omniscient and omnipotent. all-knowing thing should know it's own pronouns for fuck's sake. why should I worship a thing that can't even decide it's own gender?also don't get me started on the whole praying for lost souls thing. if I decide to pray for satan to become good again does that mean I'm more graceful than god itself since it refuses to forgive satan? does that mean god has actually no power and it can't forgive everyone despite it's worshippers tell us it can forgive even the worst of sins?
>>42190785Here, do religion. >Why shamanism?Don't you wanna try and see?The spirits, the Spirit realms...
>>42190785I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except trough me. Jesus Was right all the time. All the highest IQ people in the world belive in Jesus. Spent 10 years figuring out,Jesus was the truth all along. Everyone here claiming nothing is 100% right. Are obv wrong.
>>42195191And i gave a translation. Are you gonna cry or what
>>42202846Ty Jesus Christ for taking the heavenly pounding for me by some heavenly chicken telling his rebirth story while lighting the 7 gods on fire, starting a war in heaven, diefying Satan, and putting him at a level equivalent to the creator.
>>42201600CheckedSpeaking of naming inconsistencies and Satan, you forgot to mention that Satan in the Old Testament isn't actually the devil. "Satan" isn't the name of a person, it translates to "adversary" and it's basically a job title. The "angel of the Lord" that stalks Balaam in Numbers 22 is a "satan," just like the "satan" in Job. That's why modern translations of Job make absolutely no sense. Satan is in heaven talking to Yahweh like it's no big deal and supposedly, sin can't exist in heaven. Eventually the dualism of Zoroastrianism began to influence Judaism though, and by the time Christianity is formed, Satan had morphed from an angel employed by Yahweh into a rival all-powerful villain, mirroring the relationship between Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu.
