>>42193952
Come, oh wondering spark, back to your great all mother, Sophia.

>>42193952
Jesus broke the barriers of race, ethnicity and language. And the jews hated him for it. He disliked the idea of a "semitic religion" just as much as you do.

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>>42193952
>Converting from Paganism (LARP) to Gnosticism (Egregore retardation)
>Christianity is a Semitic religion
Double digit IQ confirmed.

>>42193952
Gnostics had the right idea they see Jesus as a holy man and like many other holy men, not god. I can’t stand Christians but the gnostic teachings on Jesus are pretty based

>>42194034
>Jesus broke the barriers of race, ethnicity
> the jews hated him for it
oh boy i have news for you

>>42193952
>converting
>to gnosticism

Religions and spiritual traditions are just costumes you put on. You're not a real human.

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>>42193952
Paganism Gnosticism is not impossible.

>>42194034
>Jesus was too libtarded for jews
>this is your argument FOR christianity

>>42193952
Had to say this somewhere. Hot off the brain-engine. Christians say Romans 13, which has them worship authority. But I choose my words carefully: they worship authority, explicitly not, because they consent to Roman legal authority, but rather because they, more than anything, pray to their God for a shudra-born revolt, and are parasitic on the City Nobility.

Just look at Trump. Huge populist following, indicated bye the fact that he puts Temu gold-PLATED gadgets in our Oval Office.

Or the Deep State. If you get gengstalked and you prey to Jesus... You're no longer, well.

Now Palantir is blessed by God, and the veneer falls completely aside: the Chrisians wanted Power all along.

This is also relevant to RAMPANT, POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AND TREASONOUS ANTISEMITISM BY EVANGELICALS

The Only Reason US is aggressive in the Middle East is so Jeebus can come and send the Israelis to the Abyss.

Next everyone's gonna be a hero

For coming out of a shudra's uterus, I guess there are many forms of courage

I will always stand with Julius Evola, a true Buddhist and ultimate ascetic.

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>>42193952
Or don't cuck to any fucking religion or non-human faggot entity trying to impose its will on you?
Sure, take some esoterical pracitices useful to you from everything but don't actually start worshiping
>We are a non-human entity god, you need to advance our agenda and worship us or else you are a HERETI-ACK
stfu nigger

>>42194073
Oh btw I didn't mean to say bye Trump I decided to keep the typo to indicate something else. Just a disclaimer. Didn't realize it could be double interpreted

>>42194045
Wrong gnostic believe everyone is God

>>42194053
I know they hated him for other reasons too
>>42194069
>>Jesus was too libtarded for jews
Being "libtarded" is a modern concept that doesn't make sense outside of the modern political landscape. Jesus' message was, and still is for everyone.

>>42193952
aren't the jews jannies in gnoistism?

>>42194075
this

>>42193952
Christianity is more European than anything.

>>42193952
>from Paganism
You are not a pagan.

>to Gnosticism
You cannot convert to gnosticism. Anything else?

Gnosticism is wrong—knowledge doesn’t equal righteousness. If you knew everything, you’d still commit evil. For example, there’s that story of the guy who saw hell in its fullness, and the first thing he said afterwards was “Oh FUCK!”
So, hidden knowledge isn’t the path to salvation—virtue is. But none of us can be virtuous. Fortunately, we have someone who was and is perfectly righteous. If you’re going to convert out of larpaganism, don’t convert to some fake dead religion you don’t actually believe in for the lulz. No matter who you are, I know you understand that religion shouldn’t be just some gay personality trait.

>>42193952
Yes. All religion is gay. No matter which one you are talking about. If you have to humble yourself and fall on your kness before some kind of deity then that is a sign of a gay ass religion. Anyone who wants you on your knees wants you in a submissive state. If something demands you to be in a submissive state then this thing doesn't respect you and wants to manipulate you otherwise why would you need to be in a submissive state in the first place? My advice would be that all religion is gay, no matter which one.

>>42194034
You can literally convert to judaism and you always could.

>>42196530
You must chop off part of your dick in order to become a jew and that's why jews must do when the men are babies because no man in his right mind would cut part of his own dick off.

>>42196530
Actually you don't even need to convert. Just claim the god of Abraham is the one true god and follow the Noahide laws (piss easy) and you're good as a non-jew and if you've never been exposed to this info you're not culpable of anything besides trying to be a decent person. Yes, according to jews it is easier to secure a place in heaven as a non-jew than as a jew. It is objectively the easiest path to heaven of any of the big 3 Abrahamic religions.

>>42196538
What's your point exactly? Converting to Judaism is harder? That's really not an argument. If you want to convert to christianity you still have to go through hoops, so there are still "barriers" despite the ease of which you navigate through thrm

>>42196545
>noahide law #6
>do not eat the flesh taken from a living animal
chinkbros...we're fucked

>>42193952
Which pagan religious belief?

>>42196549
My point is that you must be delusional in order to convert to judaism because you must chop one of your most precious organs, your penis, the very thing that "defines" that you are a man in this sense, the thing which simbolizes your manhood. You cut part of it off and offers to the deity. But I can see how the prospects of becoming a jew can overide the desire to have an intact penis. Because jews have power in this Earth and if you join their cult then they will give you some power because you are now part of the tribe and awas assimilated by them. You are part of the club now so to speak. But the price was your penis not being intact anymore.

>>42196580
>you must be delusional to convert to judaism
Well yeah...it's a religion after all. yet still I would take a jew convert more seriously than a christcuck convert precisely because of that delusion. You absolutely have to be stone cold serious about your belief if you're willing to get a circumcision. Meanwhile in cuckianity it's
>just say jesus is cool and go to church every sunday
now yeah those are still barriers but they don't invite any serious feelings of convictions. So again your argument isn't about barriers it's that it's "toooo hard"

>>42196592
What about the embarrasing fact of being Christian?

>>42196597
Why not just not be Christian?

>>42196580
>believes you have to choose the right religion or you go to hell for eternity
>doesn't want to sacrifice anything for said right religion
How can you prove to the right god that you're sincere then? In fact I'd take it a step further, even if you choose the wrong god, if you were so sincere in your belief that you mutilate yourself to prove it then I would think the right god would be impressed with you and view you favorably. I truly wonder whether most christian converts are sincere or if it's just an easy path that gives them cuddly feels.

>>42196592
>Well yeah...it's a religion after all. yet still I would take a jew convert more seriously than a christcuck convert precisely because of that delusion. You absolutely have to be stone cold serious about your belief if you're willing to get a circumcision. Meanwhile in cuckianity it's
Let me see if I got this right. You would take a jew who is delusional more serious than a christian who is also delusional just because the jew cut his foreskin off and that to you signals that the jew has more conviction in his personal belief? Well, it's your life, you do whatever you want. It's your attention and you give it to whoever you think deserves more. But what I find strange is that both are lying, both have deposited their faiths in a lie. It doesn't matter if one has more conviction than the other because in the end of the day both are promoting lies.

>>42196618
>How can you prove to the right god that you're sincere then?
Why are you tryying to trap me with your bad logic? I don't give you this right. If you want to prove yourself to whatever deity you have for God then go ahead, but don't direct your non sense to my life. Fuck you. You go ahead and you try to prove yoruself how much you are worthy of your God's blesseings or whatever. I don't follow your logic because I'm not a golem in this sense. If anyone here has to prove something then that someone is God Himself. We don't have to prove anything to God. We are human beings here, the burden of proof does not rely on our shoulders. God is the one who must prove Himself, everyone is anxious and waiting, but God is a faggot and a coward who won't show up because God probably doesn't exist as we have been told by our parents and so called "leaders".

>>42196623
It's not just me. Even your god says it.
>These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither [c]cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth
in other words non-believers are viewed more favorably by the christian god than the the average christiancwho puts nothing on the line for his "faith".

Read the old testament. You'll find your god is evil. Then read the Enuma Elish and find out why your god is evil.

>>42196618
>if you were so sincere in your belief that you mutilate yourself to prove it then I would think the right god would be impressed with you and view you favorably
Whether the right one or not, there's at least one I can think of that very explicitly says that is stupid and wrong.
>Gita 17.17: This threefold austerity, performed with transcendental faith by men not expecting material benefits but engaged only for the sake of the Supreme, is called austerity in goodness.
>18: Penance performed out of pride and for the sake of gaining respect, honor and worship is said to be in the mode of passion. It is neither stable nor permanent.
>19: Penance performed out of foolishness, with self-torture or to destroy or injure others, is said to be in the mode of ignorance.

>>42196637
My God? Dude, I think you are mistaking me for someone else.

>>42196647
Sure, but I don't see anything here saying it's damning

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>>42196653
You didnt say anything about damnation. you said the true god would be impressed and see you favorably.
I gave an explicit example where one religion's version of God says very clearly "No, I wouldnt be impressed, and I would think you are in ignorance if you did it."
You could also just read the chapter.
>Gita 17.5-6: Those who undergo severe austerities and penances not recommended in the scriptures, performing them out of pride and egoism, who are impelled by lust and attachment, who are foolish and who torture the material elements of the body as well as the Supersoul dwelling within, are to be known as demons.
Now "demon" is explained earlier and doesnt mean some incorporeal being whose only existence is to tempt you. Nor does it mean you are already in hell or damned, though many demons do things that damn themselves.

>>42196663
I can see how a benevolent god would manifest Itself in order to stop a person who is in darkness of hurting themselves even more because they think that by doing that it will please the deity. The image shows a deity manifesting itself through the flames in order to make the person guy cutting himself know that that is not the way. Why would your torture and mutilate your own body which is natural? God gave us our bodies so why would we mutilate it like that thinking that it will pelase God? Maybe the fact that the deity who the jews worship demands foreskings is a sign that this deity hates the male penis for some reason and wants it to be mutilated. I think this being who the jews worship is not the being who gave us a body because the being who gave us a body would not ask us to mutilate the body that He gave us. I mean, it's makes sense that a genuinely good spirit would manifest itself to enlight you and stop you from cutting yourself, like giving your awareness, making you understand that mutilating your own body is not the answer.

Just subscribe to the Prison Planet Theory

No need to swallow the whole abrahamic jew shebang

Trust we have better understanding than goat herders

>>42196673
>The image
Is of a completely different event and not the speaker of the Gita. I only use it as a famous example of one who used a tamasic method of penance like cutting to gain a boon.
>the deity who the jews worship demands foreskings is a sign that this deity hates the male penis for some reason
Religions come to us according to time, place, and circumstance. It isnt the Supreme Being that is changing, it is how WE see Her, and respond to It.
This says a lot more about the ancient jewish people and where/how they lived than anything about God.

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>>42193952
Jesus said that the jews are of their Father the devil.
Jesus said he didn't find anyone in Israel with faith.
Jesus said that the kikes can't escape the damnation of hellfire.

You are not converting to Judaism, so I'm not sure why you are concerned about Semitic influences.

All jews are going to hell and will be tortured without mercy

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>>42196684
why christians pretend to be anti-jewish

you literally need jews to enslave you and build their third temple so you can receive heaven lol

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>>42196673
BTW, are you OP? I decided to watch the thread because to me the closest thing to non-Semitic Gnosticism is Vedanta. Specifically, though I am against it philosophically, Advaita Vedanta since their concept of the Supreme is impersonal and closer to the Monad. Also because while they acknowledge bhakti (devotion) paths as legit, they are much more focused on vijnana (experienced knowledge).

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>>42196694
>old testement
all old covenants are dead, all promises to the jews are denied
>Paul
That's not a Christian

>>42196600
I'm a shammy. I think Christian religion is shameful

>>42196697
I'm not OP. To me all religion is gay. Imo, God is a faggot and I don't say this with hate for the faggots that are you guys, I say it becuse it is the truth. I have no concerns with God and religion and that sort of thing. I'm worried about living according to reality to the best I can and while religion is part of this reality and I study it I myself don't believe in God was you faggots believe. And I express that by calling God a faggot. It's the best way I can put it.

>>42196724
>God is a faggot
In some manifestation, I have no doubt.
>I have no concerns with God and religion and that sort of thing.
Cool. That's what samsara is for.
>I'm worried about living according to reality to the best I can
Vedanta is there as well.
And again, you likely would agree a lot with advaita, if you already have any agreement with gnosticism.

>>42193952
The gynocentric pussyworship bullshit aside, god being the demiurge definitely does make the most sense, considering how evil and fucked up the world and our species is.

>>42196694
>John 4:22

Yet conveniently don't post John 4:23
>Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks

Your time is coming, kike.

>>42193952
Docetic Gnosticism teaches that Jesus was just a spirit that materialized in a body and that the Virgin Birth was a later Jewish corruption, so you don’t need to be worried if you’re worshiping a Jew or not
If you actually look into pagan origins though a fair number of the most popular gods began in Semitic lands and were incorporated into the pantheons later (the Aesir were said to be refugees from the Trojan war, Apollo and Adonis were from Syria, ect.)

>>42196742
then the creator of the demiurge, the supreme god, is evil too for allowing his creation

>>42197021
It's not like that so black and white. Am I responsible for your problems? Let's remember that the Monad is not the one in fault here because Sophia was the one who wanted to create by herlself, typical feminine behaviour. So she beggets an abomination and tries to hide it. This abomination is the demiurge which then creates us. My point is that while I do recognize your argument as valid, because The Monad created Sophia so by in this sense The Monad is responsible. But in real life is not life that because entities have free agency. While you may criticise The Monad for not doing shit or Its lack of action, this lack of action may be because The Monad doesn't feel responsible for us. Like, I don't feel responsible for the homeless guy who became an addict. You only become an addict because you want to be an addict. People underestimate this. People like being slaves. This is key. How will you help a junkie? He doesn't want help! He wants the crack! At the most you can kill the junkie, but then society gets mad at you because sanctity of life or something like that. I mean, you gotta understand that THe Monad may not feel responsible for our current situation and plus we have ways of figuring the truth out so it' not like there's not a way out, there's, but I think The Monad just doesn't give a crap and you and me trying to shame it won't change its mind, you know? Why? because The Monad is like me. I don't care for the problems which were not caused by me and if I don't feel like the problem was caused by me I won't do shit to fix it because it's no my fault. If anything, Sophia is the one who should be actively doing something to change our current situation. She has the most liable. I mean, this is just what I think. because we gotta be fair. We gotta think in terms of justice here. If we want to be free then we must act with the same principles because if you are that person who fights wars whic hare not yours then you are just another slave.

>>42197042
>The Monad is like me.
the monad is not like you. the "monad" represents the concept of indivisible oneness
it's responsible for sophia and the demiurge and ultimately responsible for the creation of everything there is, evil

>>42197103
including evil*

>>42197103
How is The Monad not like us? Are you saying it is not social as we are? That it doesn1t have to administrate its existence just like we have and deal with a lot of BS just like we have to? We came from it, our divine spark, so we share a lot of things in common. Sadly you are blind to this, it seems. Because you got mad at me for saying that I'm like The Monad in this regard. I forgot that there are a lot of faggots like you here who are incapable of thinking in the terms that I was talking. Faggots like you are not capable of not talking everything literally. lol Anyway, fuck you.

>>42197135
>"you got mad at me"
>proceeds to throw insults without provocation
you can throw a tantrum and shit your pants if you want but "monad" refers to an all-encompassing indivisible oneness. you are not like the monad

>>42197021
John 1:5, "The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it."

One way that I believe the monad can be thought of is as a sun that shines into a primordial darkness. The darkness is pure unawareness, non-being, or ignorance, and the monad is pure awareness, being, or gnosis. The monad doesn't shine out of a desire, but because that's just what it does. But as it shines, it brings into being countless worlds that without its influence have no being. And in the worlds that the monad gives being, there can arise a middle stage between pure gnosis and pure ignorance, a partial awareness that can give rise to error, and error can give rise to evil. To the extent that the monad is responsible for evil, this is the sense in which it's responsible for evil. But the evil it gives rise to is temporary, because it's the result of a deficiency, and the monad's continual shining inevitably fills that deficiency. So all worlds that that the monad brings into being by its shining, it also fills up and purifies by its shining, until the world is absorbed, the good in it is made imperishable, and the evil in it is destroyed forever, because the evil was really only a consequence of deficiency.

Thomas 77: Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained. Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

I don't think this way of looking at things is at odds with the Sophia/Yaldabaoth story, but it's a more abstracted and depersonalized version of the story.

>>42197342 (cont.)
I'll admit that it's a littly iffy because the monad is supposed to be outside of time, and I'm not sure how that would fit into the analogy, but then the monad being not entirely comprehensible is also one of its major supposed characteristics, so every analogy failing in some respect is all according to keikaku.

>>42197342
>there can arise a middle stage between pure gnosis and pure ignorance, a partial awareness that can give rise to error, and error can give rise to evil
Have you ever heard the terms tatashta sakti, or marginal energy?

>>42197405
Not until now, but from https://wp.krishna.com/material-world-info/krishnas-energies/ it seems like it fits very well with how I understand things.

The internal energy/external energy/marginal energy division I think matches with the Valentinian division between spirit, matter, and soul substance, where souls can also go one way or the other.

>>42197467
This may also be what the apocryphon of John refers to when it says, "For when light mingled with darkness, the darkness shone brightly, but when darkness mingled with light it darkened the light, so that it was neither dark nor bright, but dim."

>>42197167
Positive. I'm not The Monad. But just like The Monad is a Creator we are also created. I'm trying to even be cool and include lame ass entities like you in the bigger picture. But whatever, dude. Deep down you are just another human being lost in this lame ass of a reality acting like you know something and whatever. You complain about the limitations, but you yourself tries to limit others. Like, at this point we have lost commom ground. Human beings most definitely have a lot of common aspects with the divine. You are operating from a purely dogmatic perspective just like a christian would when in reality is not a dogma. Nobody knows the truth. When you act as if you know better than me you are just showing that it's just egos clashing because a person with aurhtority can signal the truth. My point being that we have a lot of common things with the divine even if we are still human beings. This is what you re not realizing or maybe ignoring. I'm not preching to you. I'm point out that human beins are not just animals, we have the divine inside us and this is key. We have common things with The Monad. Again, you are interpreting what I'm saying as if I'm 100% equal to the Source when I'm saying that we came froum The Source and thefore we have that divine spark inside us which is the "thing" which enables us to be more than just animals and it is exactly the very thing that the Archons harvest, our divine essense, the very thing that enables you to find meaning even in random things. And again, fuck you. I will say again, I'm not preaching to you. Fuck you if you disagre with me. You can do that, but if you try to act as if you know the truth when you are still here trapped with us, faggots, then fuck you seven times you motherfucker. You are a pretentious faggot for doing that.

>>42197042
Then by acknowledging the monad is responsible for evil you render the distinguishing characteristic of gnosticism (that the demiurge is responsible for evil but the monad is all-good) moot.

The thing with gnosticism is that it's hard to take seriously because it contradicts itself. It speaks of a monad (immanent all-encompassing oneness) but mantains figures such as the demiurge, sophia etc. Do we just ignore what monad means? And then it talks about acquiring knowledge, or 'gnosis'. Acquisition implies there is separation. Separation implies duality. To believe this is deny oneness.

To deny oneness is to deny the monad.

>>42197598
It's like talking to a brick wall. At this point you are seeing what you want to see.

>>42197671
That is what they call a black hole. Just warning you guys. A black hole will take energy and never be satisfied. If you want to direct your energy towards the black hole then that is on you. Good luck.

>>42197598
The monad is evil.
Welcome to gnosticism, it isn't one single religion for you to dissect and more oftenly it's nonchristian than judeochristian

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>>42197598
>Muh Demiurge is ebil
Why he heal and demand people be good?
>Muh monad blabla
Monad is evil, as Monad desires disobedience of morality.
Guess what, you speak of what you don't know.

>>42197598
>distinguishing trait of gnosticism (salvation by self-knowing) is some doctrine about sucking donkey dick
No, it's gnosis, salvation by Knowledge of ones true nature, not some cuaternary shit like the morals gnosticism is supposed to free yourself from.
>But if monad is evil
Just like you're evil. You need to read stuff from lhpers, not just propaganda.

>>42197598
>the distinguishing characteristic of gnosticism (that the demiurge is responsible for evil but the monad is all-good)
This is more Marcionite or Manichaean, which are commonly seen as adjacent but separate from Gnosticism. Gnostic texts from what I've read tend to have a nondualistic perspective of the most fundamental reality.

Philip 6:
"Light and darkness, life and death, and right and left are conjoined twins. Therefore the good are not good, the bad are not bad, life is not life, and death is not death. Each disintegrates into that from which it came. But that which is superior to the world does not disintegrate, for it is eternal."

So on one level there's good and bad, but on another level, the monad's level and the fully enlightened gnostics' level, there isn't. "All it sees is its own perfect light." The illusion of bad exists temporarily, but it's like a dream where, when you fully awaken, you realize there was never anything that could truly harm you. This doesn't mean that doing evil is fine, however. Instead, since you yourself exist largely on the illusory level, understanding leads you to want to bring the illusory level of reality into closer harmony with the true level of reality.

>>42197693
I'm only following the premises to their conclusions.
>>42197671
>>42197679
I'm sorry if calling things out for what they are makes you uncomfortable. If you'd rather prefer a fiction that better conforms to what you find comfortable, go ahead. But I seek the truth, and what is truly real.
>>42197721
So you acquire knowledge (gnosis) of your true nature (oneness) by acknowledging an implied separation?

>>42197762
What oneness?
Can I get money off your bank?
No?
That's how nondual you are.

>>42197794
NTA but this is criticism could be leveled at any of the billions of professed Christians, since Jesus says, "Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." And maybe from a fully enlightened perspective, following that rule strictly might somehow be the best thing to do. But in this lifetime, it risks being suicidal and it even looks like it could be bad for society if less than everyone followed that rule (at least to me). So those who don't have enough faith or gnosis to "look not at was is seen but what is unseen," if they don't want to be completely hypocritical, should content themselves with a milder and somewhat more selective generosity while contributing to a world where even they could feel comfortable enough to follow the full rule strictly.

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>>42197972
(picrel is from Ptolemy's Letter to Flora)

>>42197587
>nobody knows the truth
I exist and I know that is true by virtue of being able to perceive my own existence. And from there I am also able to discern other truths, which inform a reflection of reality. Objective truth exists and is able to be discerned. "Nobody knows the truth" is an excuse for the lazy and the superstitious who just want a feel good story. Go ahead, throw another tantrum. Unfortunately, for you there will always be people like me ready to call out your bullshit.

>>42198358
It has been proven true that there are true things that cannot be proven, ie known for sure. The truth includes these things, and so faith is required, because that anon is correct, nobody knows the truth.

>>42198373
Incorrect. The truth is tautologically true, just like how being aware of yourself being aware proves it true. If there was no such thing as truth, then this too would be false, which would be self contradicting.

>>42198624
Of course truth exists, but tautologies are a very small part of what we can prove to be true, and what we can prove to be true is a small part of what is true. The truth includes all of these things, and so you do not know it. Instead you know contextually bounded truths based on assumptions. Being aware of being aware however is only a linguistic tautology, not a logical one. Awareness is not always aware of awareness.

>>42197587
>But just like The Monad is a Creator we are also created.
>creator
>created
>durrr we're the same
Not too bright, are ya?

>>42198719
>>42198373
>nobody knows the truth.
>>42198719
>Of course truth exists...
>The truth includes all of these things, and so you do not know it.
If nobody knows the truth, then on what basis is it claimed that truth exists? If you assert that no one knows the truth, you are still making a claim about it. How do you know that this claim itself is not false? That is a (logical) contradiction.
>>42198719
>Being aware of being aware however is only a linguistic tautology
Awareness of awareness is directly verifiable through experience. When you attend to your own awareness, it confirms itself which makes it self-validating.

>>42198842
>then on what basis is it claimed that truth exists?
People know some truth, not the truth.
>How do you know that this claim itself is not false?
Logical proofs. I referenced one in my first post on the topic, remember?

>it confirms itself which makes it self-validating
That's not what defines a logical tautology though. It is not always true, even if it can only measure itself as true. There is only awareness of absence of awareness after the fact.

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>>42198859
>Logical proofs. I referenced one in my first post on the topic, remember?
Everything I've written has been consistent (and true) but most of what you've been written has been contradicting itself.
>There is only awareness of absence of awareness after the fact
So?

Please define what truth means for you.

>>42198945
Awareness is not always aware of awareness, so awareness of awareness does not always evaluate to true. This means it does not fit the definition you provided.

>So?
It's an explanation. You're treating the absence of proof as proof.

>Please define what truth means for you.
That which is in accordance with assumptions we based on shared lived experience.

The truth however, is Truth, and includes things we cannot assume or experience.

>>42198957
NTA
Blackouts disprove a lot of what people say about awareness. That people can have a subjective experience of "skipping time" and yet others will see them as perfectly aware and functional if not horribly drunk.

>>42198957
Being aware of being aware is always self validating. It doesn't require any externalities. Contemplate yourself. You cannot lie to yourself about being aware of yourself. It is true by its own virtue. It is tautological by definition. It's undeniably and overwhelmingly true.
>>42198985
Maybe that is why we disagree? I define truth as that which is consistent and in accordance with reality. Which means that truth is comparative and requires a vantage point. If something cannot be evaluated it might be part of reality but it is beyond what is true.

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>>42193952
Here's my advice. Make shit up. You aren't Jewish and God is within you. This is not to say that you should start believing things you don't believe.
But I think it is time that we start examining our circumstances here seriously. Contrast what you believe the traits of the divine to be with what religions say of it. Come to your own conclusions.
Here is what I believe:
We were created by something.
That thing is Good.
The physical world is not good.
Trying to force other people to follow a set of Jewish laws is also not good.
If you really look at Jesus that was basically what he was trying to get them to stop doing, but then Paul/Saul took over and everybody went right back to interpreting the proper way to shame other people into following Jewish law again.
Solution?
Love is the Law.
This is not to say you should start a Thelemic cult and try to interpret exactly what Crowley believed so you can worship him as a prophet. No.
Unite the opposites.
You have to make the two become one.
Take what you believe and reconcile every disagreement.
The best way to do this is through self-reflection and crude humor.
Strip it all down. You are still clinging. You have to un-believe it if you want to believe in anything at all. Examine it.
The Christian God, for example, is obviously a cuckold. The guy literally impregnated his own mom with himself. Joseph in the cuck chair watching God use his wife.
God invented all these religions to teach us what not to do. None of them are correct. They are all deeply flawed.
Only (you) can determine what God means to you.

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>>42201066
If the physical world is not good, why is it not good?
I do not believe this is because God made a mistake.
There are actually potentially very good reasons for existence to be set up this way.
For one thing, to teach us.
Suppose that our exit from this world were not the end of our existence.
Suppose that our existence were actually eternal.
It would make sense, then, for the first experiences of new beings to impress upon them a certain sense of right and wrong.
But how do you ensure that your creation comes away with the right idea?
If you give them free will, you might end up creating monsters.
The answer is simple. Create such monsters that they never forget them for all of time.
The Jew is the shadow of God's psyche. It represents everything that he loathes.
It is what he does not want us to become.
That is because we are a mirror to the Jew.
We are chosen by God.

>>42201096
When you read a book or watch a movie for the first time, your experience is very different from a second viewing.
You don't know what is going to happen.
I call this property the metaphysical virginity of information.
Incarnating as a human is a way for God to refresh *that*.
Why would God do this?
Because knowing everything means a lack of distinction. God is a being of pure love because within him all things have been united.
God is, furthermore, a being of infinite information, constantly expanding.
To continue expanding, he must eventually contract a part of himself.
That is when he creates a living being with a soul.
This living being will go on to learn new things within a world that is itself a creation of God.
Certain concepts, like death, are useful for God.
Though we are eternal, we will eventually desire to contract ourselves just like him. This is why he teaches us early the concept of death. Incarnating as a human is like death for God. Though the greater whole persists, a part of him that has budded off now knows nothing, not even of his own existence. We are his precious children. Therefore, he acquaints us with the concept of death within the life he creates.

It's so funny to me that people have to make up rules that God has to follow for any of it to make sense.

>>42201789
>"God did X because he needed Y"
Agreed

>>42202216
>because he needed
lol

>>42201096
>defending this crude, flawed shit
Thats some unreal cope coming from good goy

>>42193952

Gnosticism ias a worldview is purposeless so it's retarded and wrong.

>>42193952
OP this is very simple. Christ-consciousness = Krishna-consciousness. Hope you're still there. The first Christians worshiped Serapis (Apis-Osiris).

You should read the Tiphareth chapter or the Book of Thoth, it's available Online.

>>42202386
God DAMN that glow, the Tiphareth Chapter Of* the Book of Thoth.

>>42193952
I donno. Look into Manichaeism maybe.

>>42202374
You know nothing about it.
>>42202386
LOL

>>42193952
Converting to gnosticism? Aren't you supposed to experience gnosis and approach your spirituality from a knowledge standpoint instead of belief?
It sounds like you want to be cattle, just different flavor.

>>42202650
Gnosis comes in stages, like all knowledge. Converting is one step.
>instead of belief
Why compare it to science now?

>>42202660
>ackshually my jewish lore but so sikret
Lol

>>42202660
there’s nothing to convert to

Conversion is for acquiring personal power and stability through association. Gnosticism isnt a political group. You get nothing out of it.

Personally, I dont know how people stay sane and harmonious outside of being agnostic.

Its simply developing inner capacity to wield the tension of contradictions between compelling worldviews.

If you can do this, you stay sane.

if you try to pick a side, you have to ignore contradictions to maintain your access to confidence.

If youre agnostic, you get closer than anyone else to the "Truth"

Lower the imporance of knowing for sure, recognize theres limits of language and perception, and allow the wholesome light of nature to speak to you and well up from your heart.

Stay curious and eyes wide to the mystery

>>42202682
No, it's 100% christian. No torah involved. "lol" yourself.

>>42202683
You and your church aren't real. Boo!