I've tried but could never do it. Maybe I don't have an astral body.

Yes but I don't fully leave my body. I do it the psychic way where only a part of me leaves to look. It's only use is for gooning purposes.

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>>42209286
why, are there any job openings?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JavPI3Iw7LE&ra=m

>>42209286
I tried once. Never fully managed to do it. Like, the part before your soul is projected feels weird and the pressure that you feel. That shit always scares me and I never commit all the way. When I was trying to practice this I remember that I used to dream with graveyards or cemeteries. I don't know the correlation here. To practice lucid dreaming and dream with cemeteries. Maybe it was a symbolic thing. Death and rebirth kind of thing. A graveyard is definitely a place for the dead and the fact that I was dreaming about it makes me thing that that person who was me once was about do die and a new person was going to arise, but I never commit fully all the day, I'm a coward.

I almost did in 1999 after reading a book about it and doing what it recommended, but when it happened I was scared back awake by the whole vibrational state and paralysis thing. Ever since then there've only been symptoms, never full separations, at least not ones where I was conscious, but more like being heavily drunk and only lasting a minute.

I actually had some symptoms again in bed this morning.

I have done so literally hundreds of times. If you ever do it intentionally or not, and are having a bad or literally demonic experience, pray to Jesus to deliver you from it and save you and he will 100% of the time. You have to pray with total conviction and belief and not desperate fear and He will protect you. I have had hundreds of experiences literally and every time I have needed Him in which he was not trying to strengthen me he has delivered me, once in form of an angel that descended into my room from the stairwell, emiting light that once it hit this little parasitic being that was tormenting and parasiting me, the being evaporated on contact. She then looked at me and did the "follow me" finger gesture and I understood she wanted to take me somewhere and I was so shocked (I wish I had relaxed) that I came back to body and sat up. All of the newagey theosophical "ascension" doctrine is a complete crock of shit that CAN yield result but is absolutely a loaded schtick that leads you to demonic connection and wickedness for very low hanging reward that seems like spiritual evolution but is actually corrosive soul killing descent. Have been through an extreme amount of phenomena both good and bad, and am completely sane, and no other delivery path or authority saves or protects or draws towards goodness but Christ, who is the one true God. It feels too conventional to the western occultist to be true but it turns out it is. What do you want to know?

>>42210158
>Jew worship
You are evil, just stop. I rebuke you in the name of the most high, who is not YahwehSatan, but is he who is victorious over the deceiver and his children, your god.

>>42210296
Judaism is the deepest rejection of Christ that exists. No one hates Christ more. They teach he is burning in Hell in shit and piss and spit on Christians and make their chief priority the mass extermination of (especially white) Christians. They are literally trying to outlaw speaking of Christ in "Israel" and use incomplete crosses with the bottom spoke removed to teach arithmetic because the plus sign resembled the cross too much. You are on the wrong side. I have EXTREMELY extensive experience with this all and started it a conspiracy minded atheist who was literally so committed to it I told my mom she was stupid for believing. Your spirit betrays you to avoid the truth because you do not want the truth, you want ego stroked image of mastery while actively avoiding actual mastery. All said and done nothing matters but what you actually commit yourself to. Hopefully you will see the light

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>>42209286
Man that guy, Terry. He was BEYOND COOL!! He was right, God thought he was the best and God is NEVER WRONG!!

We all miss you Terry! I'm sending it brother and Im honoring you every step of the way. Open source. The CPU is a sanctuary.

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>>42209286
>Have you ever Astral Projected
I did it once
>anything meaningful to say?
It's not for the faint of heart.
The experience of Astral projection resembles the process of dying.
You will also meet the star that you were born under and it will consume you, but it also depends on the personality of the star, so it might not seem as if it's trying to devour you, some of them will try to lure, whereas others will give you a performance and pretend to be angels of light.

All in all
It's only worth doing if you have a death wish.
Also it's involuntary, you can only do a set up for the Astral projection, but it will hit you on it's own.
It's as if you are are jumping infront of the traffic, getting hit is not a guarantee. It depends on the driver and the timing you chose to intercept him

>>42210319
>Jew worship
You are evil, just stop. I rebuke you in the name of the most high, who is not YahwehSatan, but is he who is victorious over the deceiver and his children, your god.

>>42210158
>pray to Jesus
No thanks, but no thanks and fuck you for pushing that psyop unto us. We are clearly antichristian here.By we I mean not just me, but other anons as well. I can speak for them in this scenario. In this I can represent them. You faggots forget that a lot of us came from christian backgrounds. A lot of you forget that we know the bible better than a lot of you who preach to believe in Jesus and it's exactly because we know the bible better than you that we have stopped believing in what the bible claims because it is just contradiction after contradiction. I mean, fucking christians are the worst. I think it's because jews have a place where they can talk, they have the synagogue and the public buildings because most public servants are jews so they can talk between them, but christians are all segregated so they have to come here and shit this board with their dogmas. Fucking lame.

>>42210326
I am the anon who wrote >>42210158 and
>>42210319.

>you will also meet the star you were born under
This is not true in a general sense. The "angels of light thing" is definitely true for some beings and if instead of true goodness and alignment with God you have in your heart the pursuit of abstraction into higher capability being or hollow liberal "goodness" you will be misled by luciferianism which masks itself as actualization and initiation which itself is a mask for satanism which always lays ahead further down the increasingly escalated slope, and is a pathway for devouring spirits and beings to access you. I liken it to fish becoming aware of water and going to the surface and seeing a pelican who assures they are an emissary chariot to heaven and to climb into their scoop to go and are promptly swallowed and beginnging to be digested thinking they are delivered and on their way to transcendence. EXTREMELY common. You literally should not be even dipping your toes in deeper reality possibly at all but particularly if not centered in the literally only correct framework. I have had experiences dating back to when I was a literal 5 year old and dealt with it all my life and have experimented and come to understand this better than maybe anything else in a lifetime of decades long study.

>>42210345
Insubstantial, petulant incantations are common of those given to demonic impulses who know they are wrong and live in defiance to the Truth intentionally.

>>42210377
I have been on this board longer than you. The fact you appeal to [your perception of] total group identity which is itself DEFINITELY a subset and retarded as an argument even if it isn't, and that you are MASSIVELY less experienced in this than me despite being a generally oppositional ironically turbo-conformist is an extreme flag which you should note about yourself. You don't care what's true or actual, you just care about seeming a particular way in terms of particular things and signaling consensus/sophistical effort towards that polished image structure. Nothing else in your argument is even coherent. Like no exaggeration and not dismissing you for its own sake, it just literally doesn't even make sense.

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>>42210382
The way the fish consumes others lifeforms in other to survive, eventually the fish itself will become a victim of a higher being that needs to propagate it's existence.

All of us are born under specific circumstances and we are under the turf of certain Astral(cosmic) entities, the Zodiac science is a good way of explaining a little bit of it.

These stars monitor your throughout your life and when you die and detach from your vessel, they devour you.

If you are not aware, Jesus himself is a star, the morning star, to be specific. He also gathers his own sheep and then he consumes them when their time comes.

All Astral entities are sustained by the lesser consciousness of humans.
Heaven is indeed the belly of your God, where you become one with him.
Your energy and your lifeforce are used to nourish his existence.

You are often compared to a tree, by Christ himself.
He wants you to produce good fruits, so that he is able to consume them.
A tree that produces bad fruits is worthless to him, he only values you if you are able to feed him

>>42210457
God lived before he created us. Our faith and prayer and positive aspect absolutely feed up to Him and demons absolutely feed off our "loosh"-esque vulnerabilities of pet behavioral/character defects we give ourselves to. Jesus is described as a star but he is not literally a star, nor will every spiritual experience you have out of body channel into the rubric of astrology, most of which is complete bs despite there absolutely being spiritual design to the physical universe that is beyond our conceptual framing. Being born relative to star positions in modern astrological sub-periods is absolute woo woo nonsense that contradicts itself and is demonstrably magical thinking nonsense. Jesus does not "consume" us nor do angels. We all prosper in the positive flow of goodness and are joined unto Christ as his bridegroom, which is why he descended to us. If God wished to devour us He could without sacrificing his son to save us, nor compete with devils giving us free will to act in a way that is distasteful to Him. Mystery school Space Odyssey spiritual hyper-materialism and Zeitgeist style mystical mythology is poorly conceived attempt to map a unified theory of cosmic naturalist theology that may exist in some form but is absolutely not the aries/virgo paradigm proffered nor are you spiritually classed as a personality or predetermined by your season of birth. Christ compared us to workers in a field as well in parable. You are taking analogies too literally and errantly abstracting false core semiotics/axioms from those unjustified abstractions.

yea, I flew around my neighborhood and I noticed it was harder to stay flying above the water. it was on a full moon night too.

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>>42210500
In Christianity there is a concept of an "elect", of people who were pre-ordained to be servants of the Lord since their creation in the womb.
The says that only those who were sent by Yahweh will serve Jesus.
Only the sheep that already belong to him will recognize his voice.

The concept of being born on a certain star is not foreign to Christianity, despite your attempts to deny Jesus as being a Star.

You look up the story of his birth, you can also look up the story in Revelations.
I don't deny that Jesus dwelled among us, but so did every other star.
They fell from the sky, then they returned to it upon their death, to watch over us and to mold us.

We are vessels who exist to be reshaped according to the will of the ones above us

>>42210548
The elect are those who through willed action follow Christ. You are citing jewish theology that is not relevant to Christianity. God did not birth people to be damned separate from his flock and even his elect rejected him and his disciples and his prophets and his SON, which led God to disinherit the original "chosen" people by genetics and create the new seed of Abraham to be the followers of Christ, jew or gentile alike. Read the Parable of the Wicked Tenants in Matthew. Once more you are citing a VERY poor understanding of Christianity and overloading analogy, using deductions made from this understanding and forcibly insertive mythological/symbolic framework to incorrectly justify claims. Your claims don't even make sense, you are just really determinedly uncritical and convicted to fixated framework and coloring outside the lines to pretend it is the true image. Being born under a sign of the a star does not signify everyone born everywhere and all events current, past and future being determined by Spinoza cosmic clockwork. Jesus was not a "star" any more than God was an owner of a vineyard or Jesus was a rock or a hen, both of which are things he was equally analogized as in the Bible. Further, Jesus existed before God formed the carbon that formed the stars that you allege him to be per Biblical history. He is eternal and predates creation. Your argument literally makes zero sense and is ignorant and narcissistically self-insertive in the extreme, in an extremely crude and undeservedliy self-satisfied way. You like the oceanic gush feeling you get from the mystical framework you project but that doesn't justify it epistemically and you are making provably false claims.

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>>42211221
I am not a Christian and I reject 90% of the Bible, so the official narrative holds no sway over me.

For me Jesus is Lucifer, he is also a star that is created, not eternal.
The Father is greater than Jesus and he created him as he was creating world.
Jesus is older than Abraham, but not older than the beginning of the world.
He is also more narcissist than me, or anyone infact, I remain quite humble in my ways I desire no faith from you or anyone, whereas Jesus proclaims himself the king of kings and he believes in his own ingrained qualities as his defining object that deserve admiration and unique status.

Also it appears to me that you believe in the notion of free will
I won't make fun of you for it, but I will let it be known that your faith is not even in Jesus if you believe that this is the case, you worship yourself.

I did nothing except to quote the new testament when i was explaining predestination to you, so the accusations that I preach Judaism are preposterous.

don't hijack an astral projection thread with your bible debates faggots

>>42209286
yeah.
like anon said above, AP for the first time feels like dying (read: first few times for some people). do NOT underestimate this feeling, it can get the best of you.

on the outside, your body goes so completely still that you look like marionette, someone who is familiar with what you look like when you're asleep should be able to tell that it's not normal sleep, the body looks empty.

remembering the AP is a skill similar to remembering dreams. takes practice and repetition. You can usually tell if you AP'd or simply took a nap by the way you become aware of the physical body consciousness again. this will vary from person to person but you can experiment by taking a nap in the same spot you try the AP and see the differences between your AP attempts and naps.

some people like myself have past experiences that make the first AP extremely hard. pulling myself out of the body for the first time required several days of attempts to detach my "soul" from the body, felt like pulling two pieces apart until the stitches snapped one by one.

by far the most important aspect of AP is the intent. very clearly state the intent to AP before you start, either out loud or in your mind.

there are other states of awareness between usual bodily consciousness and AP consciousness. awareness is not binary.

learn diaphragmatic breathing.

if your mind is cluttered every time you try to AP, allow yourself to pivot and meditate instead. observe your memories as they come up, label any emotions you notice in them from yourself or others in the memories.

techniques like rolling out or climbing a rope never worked for me so if they don't work for you, then they just don't work for you. advise then is to have patience and just let yourself float out of the body.

the body is not the mind. the mind is not consciousness. the consciousness is not awareness. awareness is not you. look into the reflection in the lake and see that the dreamer and the dream are the same.

>>42209368
Well let's hear more about this. That sounds interesting.

>>42212108
Basically just be psychic bro. It comes standard in the psychic kit.
I can project to any point in time like I'm hovering the scene. That time you jerked off to some weird porn I can project to that.

>>42209286
Yeh
Depends on who it is, to u prob not

>>42209286
my most meaningful experiences were semi-lucid almost dazed, it was mostly esoteric stuff similar to Eyes wide shut, meeting my sub-conscious as it became more conscious throughout my childhood was incredible, the intelligence of the "sub-conscious" is beyond anyone I've met in real life but it cannot speak and sometimes it is perceived as evil or takes the personality of Satan and constantly tests you it is the source of nightmares(although I haven't had a nightmare since childhood), it's almost alien like.

Yes, the first time was involuntary. I tried to escape Earth but before I did, I got smacked by an invisible firmament/force and threw me back into my body

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>>42209286
Astral Projection is a complete meme, it's not real.

>>42212840
Stupid people who say stupid things because they are only aware of their own stupid experiences are in fact a reality. They share the universe with many things that they will remain completely unaware of.
Your bias is either due to ineptitude or complicity with those who have aim to prevent the ignorant public from becoming aware of the truth.

>>42212840
Duh no shit, if that actually worked people would figure it out en masse by accident even.

Bible is a mental crutch for those who are not competent enough to directly engage in discovery of truth. They are utterly dependent upon the notion that someone else has truth ready to be delivered to them without any aspect of them earning real knowledge through direct personal experience and observation of their own.
Extraordinary experience does not automatically grant correct understanding and comprehension. Real knowledge involves the difficult task of independent discovery and independent development of comprehension. True knowledge is developed in conceptual regions beyond the mainstream herds of ignorant masses. Those who are dependent on the herd to grant them authority have no relationship to reality. They live immersed in falsehoods and self proclaimed authoritarian rhetoric and institutionalized dogmatic narrative. Nothing within their cognitive awareness has any relationship to actual discovery of reality as it actually exists to the individual human consciousness.

>>42212893
No they wouldn't. It requires considerable cognitive aptitude that is simply not available to the average human who is living distracted by the tangible material of their physical environment. It's an absurd and disingenuous assertion that is either made out of incompetence or out of malice towards the proliferation of the actual abilities of the human mind.

>>42212930
>delusional schizo babble
You are not special dude and it's not real.

>>42212934
Your own ineptitude is not a limitation for the rest of humanity. Your exceptional inability does not define our species. You are not competent to evaluate what is special and what is ordinary due to the low threshold of your own awareness.

It is best to distance yourself entirely from all provided notions of religion and religious rhetoric.
Distance yourself from every aspect of terminology that is provided through recitation of dogmatic narrative.

Perceive for yourself. The universe is not hidden from you. Indoctrination is designed to prevent you from directly engaging with your own cognitive abilities. Explore your own cognitive imagery within your field of consciousness and within your conscious mind. You can discover far more than is being served up as distraction by the self proclaimed religious authorities.
Nothing that they are doing can contribute to your own actual discovery of your own perception of the universe in which we live.

>>42209286
I did because I wanted to see what North Korea was like. Just saw some guards the brief time I was there.

>>42209286
In dreams only

>>42212930
Nope. It's literally the easiest thing to lucid dream/ "astral project". Been there, done it many times over.

There are other ways to be special than mythologizing lucid dreams into some grandiose ego trip. Clearly you have no wisdom to offer when you assume such things.

Every human who has ever lived is capable of lucid dreaming and has absolutely done so at least once. Deja vu is an artefact of this.

That being said, reality is also an illusion. The "astral realm" is bullshit on top of what's already a dreamworld.

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>>42212947
meds now schizo

>>42212986
/thread

>>42210411
>I have been on this board longer than you.
You don't know that.

>The fact you appeal to [your perception of] total group identity which is itself DEFINITELY a subset and retarded as an argument even if it isn't, and that you are MASSIVELY less experienced in this than me despite being a generally oppositional ironically turbo-conformist is an extreme flag which you should note about yourself.
Dude, relax and astop assuming things about me, alright? That's not nice. Control your ego, dude.

>You don't care what's true or actual, you just care about seeming a particular way in terms of particular things and signaling consensus/sophistical effort towards that polished image structure.
Damn, dude. What is wrong with you? What the fuck are you saying? I mean I hope you are trolling me at this point.

>Nothing else in your argument is even coherent.
Nah. Now you are just being mean. My comment is coherent. You are just mad and it shows or maybe trolling. I hope you are trolling.

>Like no exaggeration and not dismissing you for its own sake, it just literally doesn't even make sense.
Nah, again, you are just mad or trolling. You are acting, how do we say, in a disingenuous manner.

>>42213145
He said "en mass".
You are not speaking on behalf of one individual.
Explain how you envision it possible for even a significant minority to collectively discover the reality of directly perceiving reality by means of cognitive imagery within the mind?
The reality is that some people are born into longstanding heritage that has relationship with the functions of cognitive perception and some of the population comes from heritage that traditionally has overwhelmingly sensate and unaware that they have such access to perception beyond what is obvious and linear.
The majority is awaiting someone like yourself who will make arbitrary declarations about a topic while providing nothing other than the arbitrary declaration itself in evidence of this.

For those societies that have heritage traditions of reliance on such perceptions events that serve as evidence that the process is not simply imagined illusion are well known as a stage of development of the use of such perceptions. One form of this is the shared dream in which two or more people see the exact same scene in dream. This is common for persons of native American heritage and some Asian heritage groups. Irish and other Caucasian heritage groups are also known for their relationship to our existence beyond our physical material presence. Some people seem to have very little awareness of even their own existence beyond their ordinary waking life. Just because they are consciously unaware of this extension of their presence doesn't mean they have none. They are living their extension of their life into the subspace planes while leaving the experience entirety in the realms of their subconscious mind.

>>42213191
You bark in short phrases due to your own ineptitude and inability to comprehend the actual reality. Not that you are worth the amount of focus required to ascertain the exact nature of your condition, the most likely probability is that you are a shill or bot.

Is there some kind of secret to projecting consistently? I find that it takes weeks of consistent effort and occasional insomnia for a 20-30 sec experience that might of been a dream

>>42214343
You have to want it really bad and prioritize your focus and interests to develop your own cognitive imagery management within your own field of conscious awareness.
Memory and imagination are both imagery within the mind. So is actual cognitive perception.. and dream conscious awareness of being outside of the context of your ordinary physical body. There is much to discover.

In the bhuddist literature there is a story of a man who sought knowledge from a wize teacher. He went to the teacher asking how to get from the condition of seeking to the condition of knowing.
The wise teacher took him to the edge of the ocean and walked into the tide. He held the student under the waves for an uncomfortable amount of time.
He let him up to ask him " when you were under the water, what did you want? "

" I Wanted To BREATHE! " exclaimed his student..

" When you want to 'know' more than you want to breathe, then you will know. "

It really do be like that tho

It helps to have friends who have experience in this, native American heritage groups typically have a lot. If you don't already feel the connection to these types of people you may need to get into discovering why. Study your own heritage and the aptitudes of this ability in your recent era ancestors

>>42209387
as a victim of gate, quit spamming this shit. its clear op was never in gate and that dumb spooky larping just makes people not take me seriously. use project stargate files to wake people up not dumb larp garbage.

>>42213191 >>42212840

project stargate now glowie

I should probably stop abusing caffeine to AP.

>>42213577
Your comment LITERALLY was not coherent. You didn't need to reply again to 5 segments of what I said to just say nothing.
>>42211835
If you do not believe in the Bible than your citing it incorrectly until it doesn't work for you when pointed out you are doing so incorrectly makes no sense. All of prophecy foretold the coming of Christ, who fulfilled more prophecies than are possible by chance, literally. It would be like picking two atoms from the universe at random back to back and having them end up being the same atom multiple times. The entire foundational ethic and ontology of man is founded in free will, as emphasized by his temptation in the Garden and failure, Christ choosing those who follow him and abandoning the chosen who chose not to, detailing in the parable mentioned how he tried over and over giving them the option appealing through prophets and him, the Son and having them reject him, disappointing God, who at one point regretted even creating man. You are really REALLY ignorant of basic theology and unfoundedly justified in your conclusions but you literally don't care about that, you just like how the sentimentality of occult other-ism makes you feel. You are a midwit neophyte cheap gush reward addict larping as a deeply steeped mystic for dopamine.

>>42209286
I've only ever done it by accident. Dunno how I did it. Just like hearing people's thoughts it will just occur randomly to me. There is great power in me I do not know how to harness. I suspect I could become a cool super hero if I could just control it

Yeah once. It was after my wisdom teeth surgery. I realized I was in a dream and it became lucid. Then I was able to exit the dream, stay completely still and then enter the astral realm. It felt very weird, like my soul was detached from my boddie. For a couple of seconds I was floating around in a black room of finite dimension. I remember being unable to move my physical boddie but then I remembered the proverbial string and was able to return to myself, immediately waking up. I have tried countless times to astral project again but no luck. I did get close a few times but the switch was so abrupt it caused me to jolt awake.

Astral projection, or at least what I experienced is 100 percent real. I believe it's where you go when you die because it truly felt like I had had no boddie.

>>42209286
Astral projection isn't a thing, you're just some dork living a mediocre life who wants to believe in escapist hippie nonsense to feel more significant than you are.

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>>42216609
The muggle is always seething with envy towards the wizards. The muggle always proclaims it is fantasy, for should these things exist that would mean there's an exciting realm of fun forever out of reach for their goblin like muggle hands. imo we should exterminate the muggles. Of what use are they?

>>42212913
>>42212986
I don't understand what I'm meant to be looking out for. I SEE, but I don't see beyond what I see. Is it something that comes with practice? Some level of awareness I have yet to reach?

If you see someone doing something it's easy to copy them, but this is more complex. It cannot be seen, and the methods and practices required to reach it aren't talked about.

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>>42216459
Well you see, the issue is not that the jews rejected him. They were forced to reject him.
Not everyone who is of Israel belongs to Israel, because we are not preordained unto election through blood, but through grace, the same was the case for the jews as well.

Before the coming of Christ, the jews, despite thinking of themselves as "chosen", were predisposed to sin, because they were vessels who were appointed to disobedience and error, in order to showcase the vessels who were under grace and mercy.

Likewise, there are "christians" who think that they are saved because of their "faith", but when the time comes it will come to pass that Jesus never knew them, they were appointed to be vessels of disobedience and their faith was dead, producing corrupt fruits.

Salvation doesn't come from blood or through faith, it comes from grace.

Faith by itself is dead, blood by itself is liquid, but through the grace of God we are made whole, through the holy election of the saints, they are predestined to bear fruit and to be glorious vessels or mercy and to be one with Jesus.

>>42217923
I posted a bit of guidance to someone else who was asking essentially that same question

>>42219606
I posted several times in the thread and several others that are still open. My competence comes from direct personal experience with the subject.

>>42217955
They weren't forced to reject him, they rejected him when he went into their temples and flipped their tables while they were money changing, worked miracles and declared himself the God and the fulfillment of prophesy, which he then fulfilled objectively. Prior to his coming, jews were absolutely ordained through blood and guilty by it also. He delivered grace to jew and gentile alike and changed the lineage to disinherit "jews" and ordain the annointed. The jews were not predetermined to do this, they chose it and God expressed that he was upset that they did imploring them multiple ways multiple times to not. Salvation is impossible without grace absolutely; but it is also unobtainable without faith.

>>42220879
>Salvation is impossible without grace absolutely
So you agree with everything that I said.
Grace is bestowed, it's not earned.
You will be made to have faith if you were blessed with his grace.

>>42209286
they call me "the cosmic dragon" deep there

>>42221244
well are you?
a dragon?

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>>42209286
Yeah I did it by accident and I found out that bin-laden was blow up in a prayer room while standing by a window, and the prayer room has red carpets on it and columns running down the middle and nice wooden walls.

>>42209286
I dunno, I became self aware in a dream and got out of my body. I could see in the dark and move around my room but not interact with physical objects. I then heard a horrible noise and forced myself awake, didn't feel like anything special, more like a sleep paralysis.

>>42217923
You're not supposed to understand what you're meant to look for, nor will you once you see see, see?
Practice? Some swear by it, most I believe but it's not an obligation. It takes effort and strain on the body and mind that can come with practice, yes, but i don't think it is the only way. Only you have the knowledge of your own limitations and what it would take to cross them.
The stay on the matter, it is your body, your mind, your spirit. To copy others won't lead you where you seek even though it can help put you on the path you aim to walk on. The methods and practices are talked about and have been for millenia, they are just hidden behind layers of conceptual gibberish and lost meanings.
The other anon is right on, there is nothing else anyone can do for you but indicate that you have the keys. The answer you look for is paradoxical and it will only make sense to you.

>>42210158
>have done so literally hundreds of times. If you ever do it intentionally or not, and are having a bad or literally demonic experience, pray to Jesus to deliver you from it and save you and he will 100% of the time. You have to pray with total conviction and belief and not desperate fear and He will protect you.

This person is mentally ill

>>42222097
>The answer you look for is paradoxical and it will only make sense to you.
I follow you except for that part. The other anon said it should be a tangible experience. How can a tangible experience be paradoxical?

>To copy others won't lead you where you seek even though it can help put you on the path you aim to walk on. The methods and practices are talked about and have been for millenia, they are just hidden behind layers of conceptual gibberish and lost meanings.
I understand your point but disagree on the fine print. This is an inquest in the mind and spirit right, of tangible phenomena. There SHOULD be some texts detailing the methods and states of mind required to further ones spiritual development, even if they are messy and some meaning has been lost over time. For example, I can tell you right now that clarity of mind and to be without fear are needed for further understanding. That's a simple statement but true, and surely others have expanded on further points I don't yet understand.

I absolutely understand the need and drive for self discovery and mastery, but I have a feeling you guys are avoiding saying the finer material for some reason. You're being esoteric.

1. Whenever you go to sleep, your consciousness shifts to your astral body and it floats to a random place.
2. During lucid dreaming, you become aware of where you're at and can control the environment but you cannot control the destination since you still began the travel unconsciously
3. During astral projection, you consciously link to your astral body as you fall asleep, and you consciously travel.

>>42209286
Yes, I've left my body a lot of times but I can't seem to make the experience last longer than a few seconds. I never got past a minute, and even 30 seconds is a major achievement. Most often I will just stand fixed in place at my bad and struggle to move at all. Seeing is also an issue. It's 100% real and I can even have awareness of the physical body while doing so, being in two places at once, witnessing the world outside of my physical senses. I have no idea why I struggle so much.

>>42214343
1) stereoscopic open-eyed meditation to train dream recall, dream intensity and lucidity
2) AP from lucid dream through awareness

Yes. And No.

>>42209286
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>>42209286
Yes, alot. went so balls deep to this that rarely sleep ''normal'' anymore. 9 out of 10 sleeps are either lucid dreaming or astral projection.

Found my spirit guide, seen entities from daemons to what ppl on this material level call gods and archangels. They are real as socks on your feet. There is layer upon layer realms of diffrent kind 'realities' with diffrent kind of entities and so on.
Went so deep in my self that found the egg that ancients speak about beatiful egg with beatiful geometrical shapes. Went so far that saw what is after the point our universe end, wich is like soap after you wash your hair those tiny bubbles all represent anohter universe. You have other versions of you living in those in diffrent time doing difrrent things in diffrent part of life, like you but not 'you' is already experiencing evertyhing. This is what atm i think reincarnation is about when this experience end you can, with some practice, swap your conciousness with one of 'yous'.

Learnt many things like not to fear anything, leave that naive trust on everything behind, this was funny because i learnt this 2019(thx spirit guide!) few months before the meme. learnt to not be selfish and now in progress is making my sexuality and its urges in total control of me.

Fun stuff starts to happen when you start to break even further from the astral realm start to contact things/beings/humans? from the other side and see whats that like. We got this material -> astral realm and EVERYTHING that contains it -> mind fuck matrix-level-thing where i can wake up in literal tank like we are being farmed and this astral realm and gods and shit is just big fucking red herring and real endgame is beyond this astral realm. But dont get me wrong the gods and shit are real.

>>42222492
It's a tangible experience but impossible to put into words. It will make sense as it happens, but it will leave you with questions you'll never be able to answer. Yet it makes perfect sense. Paradox.
As for methods and states of mind once again it depend on many factors. Some people spend decades trying and getting nowhere. Others get there by "mistake" without knowing they were trying. And so on and so forth. Really what the other anon said is spot on I can only stand by what he told you.

holy shit i just flew over my house

>>42223465
This is a truly underrated post

>>42223012
Turn your entire attention towards the ability to perceive accurately. Do the simple exercises of the trained government viewers just to explore the differences between your own methods and theirs.
Are you using the ability to perceive with the mind in active practice of defense and self protection? How much have you seen that has been directly relevant to self preservation and situational awareness?
Are you familiar with the phenomenon of seeing through the conscious perspective of other beings and other encharged presences?
I think it might be of benefit to continue conversation with you. I have a considerable collection of knowledge gained through direct perception and personal experience.
My main point is to remain focused on the tangible foundations of our tangible physical context while exploring the extensions of organized energetic presences beyond the linear spatial structure. Even the most abstract of observations is held to the apparently tangible persistent material of this apparently linear physical context. Discovering the specific details of the structure of these intangible energetic forms is a possibility. Native American heritage groups have their own longstanding development of knowledge in these realms of cognitive perception.
Many illusions occur due to the nature of how our neurological structures are processing the imagery that can be accessible in energetic fields beyond the physical brain itself.. to human observation it does of course appear to be in the brain while the reality is that some neurons are directly being impacted by the energies of these quantum fields.
My primary focus is that every aspect of what actually does exist is subject to being correctly comprehended and described within tangible scientific procedures. Not science as it exists in servitude to lucre but in the pursuit of knowledge for the sake of knowledge.
>>42222492
Not avoiding.. Just tedious. Much detail