redpill me on chaos magick
>>42209449it endorses the minimalist approach>blank sheet systems>state your intentions, process, and stick to it>the potency belief is more important than the truth in what is believed>chaos is the prima materia, therefore can be adapted to become anything, including action>the overall effort is constraint and redirection of randomness, not eliminationalthough there are far too many chaos magick practitioners taking it too far, like writing sigils to represent a desire or outcome, a question, whatever, then masturbating with that as the main thought, then ejaculating on the paper with the sigil written on it. kinda gross, and better results can be had with cubomancy. it is often times sardonic and cynical, since all magic systems are arbitrary and subjective when compared against the totality of existence. just because we use a certain zodiacal system here, a certain set of herbs grow here, and some other specific things about living on earth, such as being on a biological substrate and having to reproduce with 2 genders.start changing any of that, like what sort of astrology we should use for when we uplift animals into both sapience and sentience... there is an underlying structure to it all. in the same sense we have things made of substances, made of molecules, made of atoms, made of electron/proton/neutron, made of... and keep going down with that. chaos magic is similar in the sense that you can perform that same downward evaluation with words, thoughts, actions, and how the universe operates, eventually reaching a common locatin at the micro/quantum scale just as much as the macro/cosmic scale.from those fundamental "its", everything comes. it is popular today to imagine reality as some sort of simulation, or at least some highly precise binary system... causing all sorts of dualistic and binary belief systems. for chaos magic, all the way at the bottom is unary, not binary. apply the smallest effort in the correct place for the desired result.
>taking chaos too farStopped reading there. Thank your AI assistant for me.
>>422095072/2 probablyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effectso when you see pop culture translations of what chaos magic, or just chaosism in general as "ordo ab chao/order from chaos" from antiquity and with modern day elites, esotericists, and occultists, it usually a clown world dumbfuck translation. what it all boils down to is that at some point in the past, there was a prime mover which made a single minimal action among a certain configuration of the chaos, which then resulted in this precise world in which we, and all other things which can and do exist, do. if the initial action was slightly different in some infinitesimal way, or if the configuration of the chaos at that instant were different, our world would be too.this is why you see so many chaos magicians look at that situation and attempt to analyze complex situations and locate a point of influence and attempt to constrain the behavior of the chaotic universe into their desired outcome in an imitation of the prime mover. also interesting is that you will find common themes which explain that even if we could go back in time and attempt to observe the prime mover entity perform their action on the chaos which created this reality, that we are beyond an observation horizon more than just time, often times referred to as the horos, or boundary, between the pleroma and our realm.the Flammarion engraving is that, lifting the horos and seeing into the pleroma. in any case, chaos is often times viewed as similar to mayhem, destruction, and evil. the fact is, chaos is what an ocean does, what the stars and clouds do. we live among it, are derived from it, and have influence over it through both direct action, our hands, and indirect action, our thoughts and conscience.
>>42209527>your AI assistantnah anon, just me. I am into it just as much as you. I've read countless books and traveled the world because of it. I'll chat with you, but I am sure as fuck not some piece of shit chatbot.
>>42209449Ignore the schizo LARP you are witnessing unfolding before your very eyes. People making up their own horseshit to try and sell their own vision.Here are the actual fucking books on the subject and yes I have read every single one cover to cover and been practicing this shit for over 20 years. Ask me anything and I can give you a fucking page numbers when I answer your questions, unlike this dumb fuck flooding your thread right now.Look closely at this picture and choose whichever book stands out as the most accurate resource on chaos magick theory to you. Then you will be "redpilled" and fully grok what chaos magick theory is all about my friend. It's actually very simple. So simple, you don't need to overthink it. And you don't need to be told. You don't need to ask questions. You already know, inside yourself, you just have to stop learning about it, and start doing it. Do the exercises every day, do the journal stuff, do everything you read about. Just do it. Don't ask questions, don't try to figure it out or understand it. And anyone who tries to "teach" you "how it works", tell them to fuck right off and don't listen to them. They're fucking crackpots, cranks trying to sell you their own universe and enslave you to their ideas.Think for yourself motherfucker.
>>42209606fuckin perfect.>People making up their own horseshittypical Bohemian behaviorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKB7V86grMgchaos magic 101 kino.
>>42209606>>42209449its good because we live in an antiquitech cargo cult
>>42209606what are the limits of magick? what can and cant be done?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHIyeQBgtOw
>>42209660what can and can't be done, is that it's nearly FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to get motherfuckers to stop asking stupid fucking questions and just start making shit up themselves and trying shitya'll fucking cowards don't even wake up super because of "muh fundamentals"
yes I was making a fighting game reference btw
>>42209685I just want to fucking know what can I do with chaos magick, can I become a woman? can I go back in time? can I become black? can I materialize things in the palm of my hand?
>>42209698what you can do with it, is DOING things, instead of asking fucking questions and reading fucking books and fucking thinking about it.Shut your FUCKING mouth, get the fuck up right now, and go fucking cook a meal, pet your cat, go for a walk, lift a weight, write a poem, paint a picture, draw a doodle, sing a song, do a dance, FUCKING DO ANYTHING, SOMETHING.FUCKING DO. THINGS.FIGURE OUT HOW SHIT WORKS BY DOING SHIT AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Holy melty
>>42209685>making shit up themselves and trying shitanon, that is the fuckin cornerstone of chaos magick. the reason it is impossible for you and anyone else to get anons to stop making shit up and rolling with it is because it doesn't matter if the shit you made up is real or not, so long as it is repeatable, is clearly defined, and is consistent with the other things you and others have learned along the way... that is chaos magic in a nutshell my dude.you are *supposed* to bullshit things into existence and believe them as much as possible. that is the point.>>42209698>a woman?no bro, not even with surgery. you are in the same meatbag until you die, same as everyone else. out of bounds.>go back in timeprobably not without a machine. I have read about some who claim to be able to remote view into the past and read someone's thoughts that way and do some stuff like poltergeists and knock over plates or small stuff like that.>can I become blackyou sure can. move to wakanda with me.>materialize things in the palm of my hand?sort of, but you need starting material. you could materialize all sorts of things out of clay, wood, and all to a faster and better result than magic.no, chaos magic isn't going to get you cartoon shit. it has gotten me into and out of all sorts of cool situations though. one big part is all about managing synchronicities. you won't be able to materialize money in your hand, but chaos magic can sure work towards getting more profitable synchronicities and luck in your path. you still have to do the work while the chaos will only give you the tiniest amount you need to get what you want, the rest is your work, same as the prime mover and when it moved the first chaos to create our world today.
>>42209449To be a chaos magician is (in my opinion) to accept the following axioms:1. False is less than or equal to True.2. Order is less than or equal to chaos.3. Therefore, nothing is always true; everything is eventually permitted.That is to say, while truth is objective, it is also dynamic, not static, and is continuously changing, flowing along a trajectory which can be mapped from origin to destination. Along the way, it can take on many different "morphisms", but all of these manifestations must in some way preserve the underlying structure that defines the trajectory of the truth over time, so that it is self-consistent over time. We call our approach to magic "chaotic" only in the sense that we are trying to discover what other morphisms exist through which some particular truth can express itself without bending too far from its original trajectory?
>>42209733>>42209698here anon, an example. I am working on a side project to make a liquid grinding machine for some architectural concrete work I am putting together. instead of spending $5k on a premade suitable stainless steel mixing tank on the used market, I skulked around for a month trying to find other substitutes. all this machine does is take stuff like stone and metal, grinds them into a liquid like honey, and pours them out. it needs some stuff like a plasma cavitation plume, vacuum controls, inert gas purging, etc... so a regular fuckin bucket won't do.so what did I do? some of my chaos magic bullshit, and within that same day, I found the only other man in my generic major american metro willing to sell me some of his stainless steel homebrew barrel kegs for nothing, while also himself being big into the same concrete work, but not what I am doing specifically with ultrafine concrete.not for the weeks leading up to or in the 2 years after has anyone sold large stainless steel homebrew barrel kegs, especially not for 20 fuckin dollars. I got precisely what I needed, not more or less, with minimal cash, and a synchronicity bullshit session with another guy doing the same thing, just not with a beer keg.stuff like that. I've had a friend locked out of his car in a parking lot at work, I did some chaos magic shit, said someone will come by and open it with their keys, and 5 minutes later, someone did. same car, same color, parked 10 spots over. pure chaos magic baby.
>>42209820https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchromysticismthose sorts of chaos magic operations are a cornerstone of practical chaos magic, not just theoretical book stuff.
>>42209449>redpill me on chaos magickTry it and redpill yourself.>>42209698Again, give it a shot and tell us all how you fared. Don't expect us to give you the fucking answers, what do you think this is? Wicca?
>>42209449Plane crashes earthquakes and volcanoes do not form that way fires la san diego Maui staton island northern Ireland and pizzrael
>>42209449Liber Null & Psychonaut was good and had some very interesting ideas, especially relating to adopting random belief to make your overall personality more malleable, less crystallised in assumptions. That seems very useful for magic. I'm still going with the Golden Dawn though, for self-initiation.
>>42209449It ain't real. The true, unfortunate redpill. Now is the time to wake up to greener pastures and move on to something better.
>>42209449Read
>>42211969Read too
>>42211975+1 plus psybernagick
>>42211978And this one too
>>42211980Almost there, this one will polish what you know. One more to go.
>>42211981And this one from my personal recs. General: reshape your beliefs per need. Trance state required. Fire and forget. Don't limit yourself to cooming. Do read further once you're done covering the basics. Fiction can be used.
Examples:1: Rock some tunes and use them like a bard would with will and intent. 2. Write sigils (pre-charge) in the walls like a scizo and touch for activation. 3. Write sigils on a grimoire of your fist and ballpen and activate by touch, your pocketable machinegun. [{Some secrets witheld}]
Retarded woman goddess cult bullshit
>>42211989No
>>42209449>redpill me on chaos magickAlan Moore practice it while criticizing it at the same time.Read the Liber Null & Psychonaut and think about it yourself.>>42209507>better results can be had with cubomancy.What the fuck is cubomancy?>>42210242>I'm still going with the Golden Dawn though, for self-initiation.In the end, that's the best one for starting and practicing alone.Still, many exercises of the Liber Null and from Chaos Magic >>42211978 are extremely useful.
>>42212166>cubomancythe first form of numeric divination, prior to astrology. due to the fact astrology takes many generations to build the data, and just as many to keep trained in the math work for trend analysis in the long term. most, if not all, of divination systems related to cycles, timing, events, horary, etc... have the same toolbox as mathematics, just with view towards synthesizing the two. in our modern times, we live after the schism of religion and math/science who are now often times associated with theist vs. atheist dichotomies.prior to all that, it was well understood that because of the finite limit of experiences a person can have in their life, such as becoming a parent, a loved one dying, going to war, having a birthday, an animal taking a child, etc... then they would be able to build a sort of "experience dictionary" in the same sense you can condense the entire experience of the Latin people into a complete and total dictionary. in the same sense that a modern English dictionary contains all the words needed to perfectly describe the design, build, and operation of a helicopter, just in highly compressed form.cubomany and chaos magic go together in this sense that because of there being inevitable trends and finite limits to things like language, experience, emotions, etc... then, in principle at least, one can better understand how, for example, despite the use of precision dice and a mathematically provable even distribution set, why then do things like Poisson clumps appear and correlate across seemingly unlinked systems?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_clumpinghttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10272239/1/?
>>422123322/?in the dog bite link above, there is a clear correlation between dog bites and hot sunny days. we can of course explain it sufficiently, but then a more difficult situation comes uphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtoun_Bridgewhich is like the Overton Window, but worse, because this one will kill you... if you are a dog at least. how then can this dog behavior be explained, and by extension, are there human behaviors which operate in the same correlative manner? stock markets and other sources of chaotic data tend to have correlations such that it becomes more familiar territory to think in terms of thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_that_got_to_do_with_the_...%3Fas an effort to trace back which butterfly flapped its wings and caused a hurricane. still, even with dogs and other animal nuisance situations, there are inexplicable, but repeatable, behaviors. it doesn't especially matter what causes them, and we can analyze the factors which either improve or worsen the outcome, but never precisely predict it.the whole link to cubomancy is-
>>422123493/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idccm2zmbVcis explained by Alan Watts in vidrel. with cubomancy using knuckle bones, dice, or most anything else with deliberate symbolism attached with clear intent (typical magic stuff), one can make statements like vidrel.1- the course of your life led you to the moment of asking a question with a set of dice2- there exists an entity which has the ability to hear and answer your question such that they can apply the principle of least effort to the dice to numerically align with the pre written answer table to answer your question3- the diviner is operating a prodedure and isolates themselves from influencing the process, thus isolating themselves and linking you to the chaosin that respect, if you were to make an answer deck like tarot, you would have some degree of resolution/fidelity/granularity in the response. I Ching has 64 something responses, while bibliomancy based systems provide a much higher degree of specificity. the point is, the chaotic and random nature of the dice tumble can, and is, influenced greatly by the tiniest of inputs to cause their tumble change.a mote of dust can change the outcome. a slight breeze, even. when exposing such a tiny and tightly focused area of thought into the chaos, it tends to use the princple of least effort to reply, keeping with the princple of first motion from the prime mover. and still, even in all that, cycles, orbits, and stable structures form, grow, and evolve.
>>42209449All you have to do is know that your consciousness is the highest thing that can exist and everything will be clear.
>>42212677what do you have bookmarked beside dilly dally shilly shally? looks like pornhub... also, by the way, when you make a Vanallinn, it helps to speak just a little Estonian.
>>42209698it claims that the material world is an ever shifting labyrinth, and by doing things, literally anything, things will be revealed. basically, do shit, with intention, and with subconscious intention, and you will learn thingys. its simple and thats why it works.
>>42209527Based.
>>42209698I'm gonna become a woman and so are you. You finally got it.
>>42209819Totally insane. Based.
You use intent to link a result (effect) to an acausal ritual (cause).When I tie this green ribbon on this poppet it causes me to gain $5000. Then once you do it, because it's entangled through intent, you get the money.
>>42209606based
>>42214278Cont.I'm just reading all the replies in this thread and holy shit there are a lot of cringelord fags. Why don't you wannabe EA koettings go do DMT in a graveyard?Also Advanced Magick for Beginners btfo ALL of those book recs
>>42214314Sick larp. Those (save for a few shamanism oriented) books are the recommended globally entryway. The shamanism ones are because I deptecated my practice of chaos magick in favour of shamanism. Chaos mages cant be wrong: do what works, and shamanism works better. Sorry, not sorry, chaos magick is not the problem, the problem is believing anything goes, it doesnt, there's a reason why other systems are a cohesive whole. This one particular reason is why Phil Hine quit.
So the main thing is that you just pick a system, any system to start with, it really doesn't matter, this is like trying to learn painting and deciding on the right brand of paint or something. If you need to be told what to do and can't think for yourself, start with a system that has a lot of books out there about it, like hermetic qabalah or tarot, that's where I began and where a lot of people get started, and that's fine.Then later I got into Jungian psychology and I studied the I Ching and I learned about western astrology as well as vedic astrology and older systems of it like hellenistic or medieval astrology. And I studied alchemy, both the western esoteric tradition and the eastern taoist tradition found in systems like the Wuxing 5 Cycles (fire, earth, metal, water, wood). I mean, hermetic qabalah itself is all about correspondences to begin with, so you eventually learn about how all this stuff overlaps and all kinda indicates the same stuff.But that's the point.By learning how it all overlaps and it's all basically the same, it really cements in your brain what chaos magic is based on. Especially if you understand Jungian psychology, and you are familiar with concepts like the Archetypes, or the Collective Unconscious, it starts to clarify what's going on for you. You begin to see, through "synchronicity", what the transcendent living symbol is in each and every situation you encounter in life, what each moment is actually a reflection of happening at a higher level. Because, "AS ABOVE, SO BELOW", as they say. It becomes obvious why they say this. Things start to just click and make sense.And then you can go beyond these systems and expand on their methods yourself, like the artist who understands the basics enough to be creative and actually understand their own creative process, to consciously create what is within the unconscious, not just letting it spill out automatically. You become an ALCHEMIST.
>>42215871By the way, not to ramble or rant or anything, although I am a schizo, let me cook for one more moment.Carl Jung was tapped the fuck in, I just want to say that. And like, I don't even know how the fuck he got away with actually revealing some of the shit he did to the world. It's like he smuggled it in or some shit, if that makes sense. And there have been others like him as well in history. Issac Newton, if you study him you learn he was SUPER into alchemy, like, balls deep into alchemy, and he did not give a FUCK about any stupid muggle shit in this world. He was probably autistic or something, or maybe a schizo like me idk. Rumor has it he never even got laid because he didn't care, and I kinda vibe with that kek. Dude devotes his life to studying the inner alchemy and as a result he figures out what a "calculus" is and how to do it, and tells the world about it, but because it's "math", nobody questions it. Just like Jung smuggles in the deepest fucking secrets of the universe by labeling them as "psychology" so nobody says a thing.Stanley Kubrick also did this with his films in Hollywood, only, they caught on to what he was doing because he got too arrogant when he made Eyes Wide Shut and they had him killed for it. If you watch all his other films though, you can just tell the guy knew about all this occult shit for sure. He knew how everything works. His movies were like sigils, rituals, interactive ceremonies where you the audience participate in the casting of the spell every time you watch the movie. It's how Hollywood works, how they cultivate power and control the whole world. Honestly, it's fucking BRILLIANT if you ask me. Like, holy shit, clever girl. But yeah, that's how it is man. If you know, you know.
Chaos magic is always shortsighted. Follow God
>>42209449it ain't real
>>42209449Half the equation. It's a crock of shit that correctly teaches the importance of universality and cultivating will, however there are rules to the world and patterns which chaos magic tries to deny exist. And when you correct chaos magic to properly include ritual and patterns, you end up with regular ritual magic just with the understanding of why it actually works.
>>42216064>Pray to our god! If it succeeds, it's God's will! If it fails, it's God's will! Remove all agency in your life!I'd rather do magic that fucking works.
>>42216271Remember: God wants your worship. Why or what for is anyones guess, but he never tires of it. It's like a kid with a new toy. (Seriously niggers, how you not see a worship based religion is fake as Hell?).
>42209606Absolutely based and reelpilled.>Roll stickmatch heads in your eyes before you fall asleep and light your candles with those upon waking.
>Materialistschizo atheists and christcuck meltdown every time magick and manifestation are mentioned on the boardlol
>>42209682He talks about sigils and shit?
>>42209449would it be a good idea to charge a sigil via gaming? I was thinking to just make a sigil on a sticky note, say something like “i will get 500 dollars” then just put it on the corner of my monitor while i play arma or csgo or something, dedicating my kills or objective scores to charging it, not really paying attention just having it in the corner of my vision. Then when im done playing i just take it off and burn it. Would this be a good idea or would it have weird negative energies since part of the energy is defacto consensual loosh farming since it comes from beating people in game.
>>42219710>i will get 500 dollarsyou forgot the other part. the part where you also clearly state what you are going to do for it. are you going to get $500 because you are selling your guitar/bike/booty? are you looking to get $500 for some lawsuit?you gotta be specific, anon. this isn't about materializing a team of lolitas to glork on your meat snorkel. you have to put up the effort and then let the last little bit of luck/chance/alignment/synchronicity come from chaos. maybe you are trying to sell your old video card for $500, find a buyer, and end up in a wacky situation where you meet your future gf. all because you did some more work in the sigil phase.
>>42219951>>42219710lemme help you with this so you don't fuck it up and claim playing video games is effort. there has to be some sort of nearness already. here's the deal-that $500 you want has to come from somewhere, most likely a single transaction. it isn't just going to materialize from nowhere and with no effort. also, playing video games is just moving some electricity around. if you were going around mowing lawns all day, you would have a better result of getting $500 because the chaos would have an easier time rerouting the timelines and life events of enough people to put $500 in your pocket by the end of the day. you will also have most likely met zero resistance from people and gotten more work than you could handle. compare that to a shitty day knocking on doors and turning your pockets out. it meets your effort. dedicating high scores on a video game will most likely fuckin backfire on you, as you deserve.same with the guitar example. somwhere out there in the chaos is someone with $500 in their pocket and a desire to buy a guitar. doing some chaos magic shit will cause a synchronicity to occur, linking you two together, often times with hilarious side effects. I'll talk all fuckin day about how this works and chucklefuck all day at the haters, but the point is, chaos magic is all about recognizing synchronicites, what causes them, and all other manner of analysis. of all the branches of magic, it has the most parallels to cold mathematical logic and analysis.
>>42209606any tips of sticking to practices
reality is chaotic, thus, anything can happenbut stick to science
>>42222059science <----{Strikethrough[ Stick to Logic ]/[ Not Science ][ Logic ]\[Science] is [Deceitful], - Can Be Used to [Manipulate] People [Wrong|y].Can [Lie].}/[ Logic Cannot. ]\{[ Good Logic 0n|y Leads You to \(The [U|timate] Truth)/ ] (Good God|y)[ There is No Such Thing as [Bad Logic] - That Is ([Someone|SomeThing] Being [Illogica|]) - Claiming They Are [Logical]. ]
>>42220202be homeless
