There have been various threads on the topic of the O9A posted on here recently. I went down the rabbit hole of the O9A last year and I hope to compile what I believe to be my best understanding of what they are and their origins.The O9A came to being sometime in the 70s, there are claims that they date back to the 60s but I believe this is just self mythologizing, which is something the O9A does a lot of. It was founded by David Myatt, he previously had an association with Neo-Nazi groups but seemed to take an interest in occultism and wrote various pamphlets under the alias of Anton Long detailing the O9A belief system, ceremonies, rituals etc. The order has no membership and anyone who aims to become a niner must undergo self initiation, it is highly decentralized. The original O9A was based in a small town in England, many of these individuals supposedly became professors at various academies/universities as insight roles. Most of these original niners are now in their 60s and 70s and continue to teach at universities like Oxford and Cambridge. There are very few of them. There is also supposedly a younger group with ties to the original O9A but their activities are incredibly clandestine.
Some time in the 90s Myatt came into contact with Sutter, I won’t go into too much detail since the story of Sutter has been done to death but my belief is that Sutter used his position as a federal informant as an insight role. Sutter would release O9A inspired material to attract radical extremist groups to adopt their aesthetics, this served a double purpose, number one it served as a honey pot for the fed, number two it served as a way for Sutter to essentially use these people to carry out his dirty work, these groups like 764 or ToB are not O9A or nexions they are merely using the imagery and essentially serving as sacrificial lambs to do the dirty work of people like Sutter. The O9A do not condone the activities of group like 764, this doesn’t mean that they are “good” but they are not aligned with their actions. 99% of supposed O9A material is just fake shit put out by Sutter and has very little to do with the original group. The O9A is not strictly Nazi nor are they even strictly Satanists, they can adopt a variety of different ideologies and religious beliefs, however they are very much anti-christian and anti-judaism. I believe Myatts conversion to Islam was an insight role. Above all, the O9A is about causing as much disruption of the status quo as possible and causing subversion from within, as well as achieving an extreme form of physical and mental discipline. I believe that Sutter was and still is a true believer, however I think that he is an incredibly self interested person and although he may have originally been a niner I think his actions got to a point where even the O9A wanted to disavow him. All I know is that Martinet Press is not real O9A material and is created with the specific purpose of radicalizing idiots to do dumb shit so that the O9A can later claim credit for it without actually doing anything.
>>42213517>>42213515All true and facts. Stop smearing O9A for Sutter's shit.https://www.unz.com/estriker/national-justice-exclusive-notorious-nazi-satanic-group-is-an-illegal-counter-intelligence-operation-controlled-by-two-career-fbi-informants/
>>42213517If they are anti Christians and anti Judaism why do they refer to themselves as the order of 9 angels exactly? Or you are saying they are Muslim angels?!Maybe they are funded by turkey for all we know
>>42213568one i think is angles, and two, in Abrahamic religions demons are fallen angels
>>42213517So Sutter basically created TOB (which would later inspired 764 and other larps) to get gullible NPCs to do violence and disrupt the status quo while he washes his hands of the whole thing? All the while working with the feds as an insight role?
>>42213614That is my assessment, yes.
>>42213621The former may be true, but I don't think his cooperation with the feds was some kind of insight role. He's not real O9A, he's fat and greasy. He was scared of going to prison and took a deal to become a rat.
>>42213632>He was scared of going to prison and took a deal to become a rat.This is true, and i'm not even saying that Sutter was doing this "on behalf" of the O9A or anything like that, but according to those who knew him he was genuine in his convictions, in his mind I think he considered it as a sort of insight role, with that being said I don't think that the actual O9A saw it that way. He comes off as a massive opportunist whose only real convictions are self interest and depravity and just happened to get close to Myatt.
>>42213614He doesn't need to wash his hands. He's a fed. He gets paid to get autistic retards arrested for heinous crimes.
>>42213652I think he is genuinely a bad person.... Maybe in his head this is the essence of "Satanism" or whatever. I don't think he's particularly spiritual though. Just a sadistic hedonist who likes his fed bucks.
>>42213614He's not the only one. There's at least one that works for the NSA on Buckley Space Force Base in Aurora, Colorado. Lives a block away from Launch Pad Brewery. :)
>>42213515>my best understanding of what they are and their origins.>doesn't actually tell us anything they believeWhat does the O9A believe and what do they want for the world exactly?
the beginnings wreak of some large beaked aggrandizers
>>42213747I'm sorry you are right for pointing this out, I got carried away with one thing I forgot the other. The O9A essentially believes that the world is separated into aeons and that each civilization lasts around two thousand years before dying. They believe that western society is corrupted by Judeo-Christian values, they predict that this dark age will last until the year 2390. Their end goal is to destroy civilization in its current form and set the groundwork for a future Galactic Aryan Imperium that will colonize the Milky Way.
>>42213769>The O9A essentially believes that the world is separated into aeonsSo how many aeons have there been?>They believe that western society is corrupted by Judeo-Christian valuesWhere do these Judeo-Christian values come from? Why is only this aeon corrupted and not the previous ones? >they predict that this dark age will last until the year 2390.>Their end goal is to destroy civilization in its current form and set the groundwork for a future Galactic Aryan ImperiumSo which is it? Is this aeon's demise inevitable or does the O9A have to kill it?
>>42213747O9A doesn't want anything for the world. They are committed to individual spiritual development.
>>42213769Also what exactly are the deities the O9A worships, if any? I hear the word "Vindex" thrown around a lot.
>>42213777>So how many aeons have there been?Five, the Primal, Hyperborean, Sumerian, Hellenic, and Western.>Where do these Judeo-Christian values come from? Why is only this aeon corrupted and not the previous ones?They believe that Western civilization is corrupted unlike previous ones, that due to Judeo-Christian beliefs we have become individualistic and neurotic and that we must abandon humanism, equality, and democracy. >So which is it? Is this aeon's demise inevitable or does the O9A have to kill it?My understanding is the demise itself is inevitable but they need to actively prepare and set the stage for the next Aeon.
>>42213791>Judeo-Christian beliefsRight but why exactly have these beliefs originated now and not during, say, the Sumerian aeon? Are the Judeo-Christian deities real? Does the O9A believe that Jehovah exists?>demise itself is inevitableFrom my own understanding I think they believe that this aeon actually cannot progress into the next one because of Nazarene/Magian influences. The next aeon will be the Cosmic or Galactic one where aryans will dominate outer space or in a scientific sense we will become a T3 civilization. >>42213783I think Vindex is like the O9A's Jesus or Messiah. Someone that will incarnate on Earth and vanquish the Nazarenes forever. O9A isn't really satanist it's actually more pagan.
>>42213822>Right but why exactly have these beliefs originated now and not during, say, the Sumerian aeon? Are the Judeo-Christian deities real? Does the O9A believe that Jehovah exists?I'll be honest I have always been unclear on this and I have heard conflicting things, so I'll just be honest and say I'm not entirely sure.>From my own understanding I think they believe that this aeon actually cannot progress into the next one because of Nazarene/Magian influences. The next aeon will be the Cosmic or Galactic one where aryans will dominate outer space or in a scientific sense we will become a T3 civilization.I think you're right.
>>42213783They seem to do some of the Lovecraft larping that this group pioneeredhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhonian_Orderhttps://archive.org/details/naos-a-practical-guide-to-modern-magick
What is the actual O9A canon? Who are the major authors?I know there's the Black Book of Satan by "Anton Long" (David Myatt). Who else is there? Is O9A dead now that Myatt converted to Islam? Was there ever an O9A? Supposed only four individuals ever made it to full-membership, presumably this includes Myatt himself, Christos Beest (probably a different person than Myatt) and IDK who else.
I found this while researching, maybe interestinghttps://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2256305.htmlhttps://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/res/499328.html
>>42213881>Is O9A dead now that Myatt converted to Islam?That was an insight role, and Myatt is no longer a Muslim. He has now created a new cult called "The Numinous Way" which has a similar belief system to O9A. One of the things O9A advocates is to create "gateway cults" or organizations that get normies to bite, then you nudge them towards O9A thought. So Myatt is still 100% committed to O9A and the sinister tradition, his claims of abandoning extremism are lies.
I don't normally read long posts.Thanks. Sounds like they're based.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190220050324/https://starred-desert.com/paintings/Richard Moult is apparently the real name of Christos Beest. I really like his art, but I don't real like the theology and myths of O9A. I'm a Reconstructionist polytheist tbqh
>>42213517I've always held the belief that people who know about TOB and the government are likely underestimating TOB. They are in the military, and not serving as basic grunts but working at sensitive sites like Area 51. They are also in government. They are one of the biggest threats to national security right now. I say this from personal experience although I can't go into much detail.
Daily reminder that if you're actually interested in violent accelerationism, you might have a better chance at one of the chauvinistic natzi patzi circlejerks than a honeypot operationalso, 4chins is known izrael asset>>42213853>foreword by lt. col dysgenic pedo this is basically a confirmation that it's a controled oppositionmore research:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMfBZJ-HUxohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtiU6VeTS9Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeaxXY2M5ss (features false conspiracy theories)also the kivi fram threads on "siegeculture" and stanchionor encyclopedia dramatica
>>42213937Moult is probably the most fascinating individual in this whole rabbit hole, even more so than Myatt in my opinion. Its hard to find info on the guy, he’s a talented artists. Does anyone know if he is still affiliated with the O9A and what his relationship with Myatt is?
>>42214003try thishttps://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/larpcore
>>42214015lol
>>42213976The Nine Angles of Flowers and Aquino are different from and predate the O9A. Myatt is hostile to Aquino. Probably views him as a competitor for membership fees. I'm thinking Moult was probably the real heart and soul of O9A and everything went after he did. I dismiss most of this crap desu, but I do love Moult.
>>42214003Supposedly he left and started working under his own name. He does music too. Everyone hates him because of the O9A connection tho unfortunately.
>>42214031sorry bad linkhttps://web.archive.org/web/20250123144205/aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/larpercore>>42214044all kikes searching for dummies to do their bidding
>>42214055I think the fed thing is overstated. ToB, C18 and NA were definitely federal operations, Myatt and Aquino I still don't know. Flowers and Moult are brilliant and believe everything they say they do.
>>42214054I heard a rumor that he was still associated with the O9A and that his supposed separation was a lie. I read something online about him becoming a Christian but then it being discovered it was all an act.
>>42214070yeah, david myatt just took a good deal straight from american history x and just served no jail time at all, despite having the freedom to groom more retards
>>42214072He could have lied about becoming a christian. I don't particularly care tbqh. My real concern is to what degrees he's involved with spooky glow ops. That's why I will love his art from a distance and try to not to get involved.
>>42214077Alright, Myatt is probably a fed who used Moult to generate content for his glow-up. All the interesting shit came from Moult. Myatt used the org to gather names and evidence to forward to the feds. I can believe this.
>>42214092do you actually think these people care about societal collapse?
>>42214102The elites? Yes. They want society to remain intact so that they can remain in control. The parasite doesn't want to kill the host. O9A, maybe the true believers, if there are any, so that society can be transformed.
>>42214123>using the term true believer unironicallyso you think the reason that "democracies" are being replaced isn't a managed collapse? what is petel thiel doing right now? building the literal aryan empire you think you desire. how are you fighting against the progression of technocapital that ted kaczynski described by fantacizing about """different""" hierarchies?
lel at the brown hands and vaxxed "christian" hands in this thread.
>>42214197jewsus was a homosexual pedo
>>42214156>so you think the reason that "democracies" are being replaced isn't a managed collapse?Democracy has always been prone to subversion. What the elites are doing now is using AI to conduct mass surveillance and gigantic social engineering ops. It will be cheaper and more effective in the long run. Democracy will continue to exist as a facade, every November the cattle will run to the ballot boxes. But society will not collapse, not in the way the Satanist wants. A nuclear war would be more preferable, wipe the slate clean, and reconquer the Earth to establish a new Satanic theocracy.
>>42214313replace the current ape establishment with monkeys. sounds like a good plan. i guess i wasn't familiar with your tribal games. i'm sure this will fix all of our problems with tumors and pathetic crab bucket social contracts.
>>42214328Nuclear war would be the fastest and easiest method. Of course if Satanists could conquer the entire planet and burn every church, mosque, and synagogue that could work. But we'd also have to reprogram eight billion brains. If we can kill 99% of humanity and rebuild with a better foundation, then we should.
>>42214337or we could dedicate our entire lives to worshipping paperclips. so much meaning and things to pursue!
>>42214353Begone Magian.
>>42214371i'm just saying, we don't have to be picky about who we kill since we're the good guys and our noble revolution needs pointless cruelty and destruction as karma
>>42214003I seem to remember some news about him a couple years ago. Aparrently he'd been living the quiet life, playing in a normie band of some sort, and somehow they found out about his past as a niner and kicked him out.
>>42213973Man, honestly, I trust the niner spooks I've met more than a lot of the other ones.They're competent and not Chinese, which is more than I can say for far too many intel people these days.
>>42213973>>42214456you will never be a real in q tel, you have no cash, no leverage
>>42214464I also don't wear magickal underpants.
>>42214515i guess pure street cred and some dogma is all it takes to bring down the cuckold industrial complex.
>>42213517there's some australian youtube journalist who might be a schizo idk but he essentially said the same thing. the american copies of it basically have nothing to do with the original ONA. he also said it started out as a operation gladio style "stay-behind" outfit who actively worked with british glowies as a sort of mutually beneficial arrangement. it also apparently evolved out of wicca
>>42214895>there's some australian youtube journalist who might be a schizo idk but he essentially said the same thing.Sounds interesting do you recall his name
>>42214895>>42214905isn't it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMfBZJ-HUxo
>>42214905>>42214913https://www.youtube.com/@kianlayer0
>>42214929yeah, i wouldn't really trust what the victims have to say, it's a common knowledge that those larpers try to sound as mysterious as they can. and that ONA faggots try to distance themselves from their own.
>>42213517This is remarkably accurate for this shit-retarded board.
>>42215003because these people are in their gay discords raiding this board
>>42215010Which threads have they made besides this one?
>>42215041>>42213276
>>42215041THOSE FUCKING FAGGOTS, DON'T PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW
>>42215046Based
>>42215041a lot surprisingly not just the openly O9A ones but they have a lot of tangential threads atm designed to steer users towards it. I'm guessing they have someone doing an "insight role" for hot pockets if you catch my drift. I keep seeing the same OP's of some of the generals crossposting in O9A adjacent threads. It's bad enough we have to deal with the christfags. (would be funny if they WERE the christfags though and wouldn't surpise me either)./x/ is getting weird between this and the CI shilling
>>42215003Thank you!>>42215010>>42215082I'm not affiliated with them in anyway, I'm just an autist with too much time on his hands whose been going down this rabbit hole since May of last year. I've noticed the threads regarding the O9A on this board and intended to make this thread to compile all the info I have learned about them and maybe put an end to all the discussion by demystifying them.
>>42215082Additionally They're probably just co opting any popular topic/trend on the board to try and lure people to discord. I don't even think you can call it /pol/ leaking out because the retardation has a different flavor and intent and it's hard to unsee. The topics themselves are a vehicle for a secondary non stated motive and that's not what I'm taking umbrage with and hoping other anons have noticed too
>>42215046That looks more like a JoS thread.
they are all just like this:>>42215078
>>42215106lastly they play both sides too, there is absolutely a lot of trans niners and they were responsible for a lot of really bad shit on /r9k/.
>>42215106>>42215136I can guarantee you that no Niner, real Niner, is going to be posting on 4chan trying to recruit people. Number one because they don't recruit, for the most part, and number two, most of them are in their 60s and 70s.
>>42215159that doesn't stop the wannabe faggots to try dough
>>42215159True, although if you pay attention some oldfags will occasionally steer anons toward the enigmatic truth.
>>42215198
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>>42215204Steven got some game. He threatened some Christian clown girls with a fake gun and they still wanted to see him again.
>>42215210>>42215212they wanted to see him there at the carnival
>>42215214>they wanted to see him there at the carnivalI hope they want to see me at the sexual intercourse carnival too if you catch what I am saying ;D
>>42215214
>>42215221>>42215219moid comedy is a gift from god.
there's no page 7but there are more comics like these if you know where to look for them
>>42213769>Their end goal is to destroy civilization in its current formOh, so they're evil. Gotcha.
>>42217063Ya both groups seem kinda like they're ran by Jews (in spirit at least).Not entirely sure maybe O9A started off with good intent. I can see how Christianity was negatively perceived back then...and now; however that doesn't mean you toss out the root concept of the sovereignty of the individual soul...not sure where they stand on that.>They were against JewsYa well that's easy to say. A lotta "Jews" are just occult weirdos too in spirit.Comes down to intent and I'm not going to waste cycles on what theirs was. Best to just do your own thing with AI (probably what they do mostly anyway) and don't affiliate with anyone even covertly
>>42217089>I don't actually know anything about their philosophy but I'm going to give my worthless opinionQuite the plague
>>42217141Feel free to enlighten me. Not trying to be adversarial.I'm basically a normie bro. I don't have all the history behind this stuff. You shouldn't be offended by someone trying to establish a baseline.
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>>42213515it is daycare for survivors of satanic ritual child abuse
>>42217158I just don't understand why you would feel the need to comment if you lack even a cursory knowledge of the topic at hand.Primary sources are freely available and are a far better fountain to drink from than an anonymous or "journalistic" opinion.
>>42217202Links?Also don't cry anon...
>>42213791>https://www.unz.com/estriker/national-justice-exclusive-notorious-nazi-satanic-group-is-an-illegal-counter-intelligence-operation-controlled-by-two-career-fbi-informants/Yeah, met some of these cats a while back, at Orsini's I think..
>>42217396dox them, or you're a larping faggot
Here are two primers on the metaphysical framework:https://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/theory-of-the-acausal/https://sevenoxonians.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/acausalscience-dwmyatt.pdf
>>42217430this is better link Faggot Lunghttps://aboutdavidmyatt.wordpress.com/david-myatt-agent-provocateur/
>>42217430>>42217468but you wrote that blog too, didn't you, you little faggot?
>>42217501even better linkhttps://davenumber7.substack.com/p/david-myatt-in-leeds
>>42217468That article concludes by stating that there's no conclusive evidence that David Myatt is a fed.
>>42217577those wordpress links are IP grabbers written by myatt. he likes to write books and make accounts on the internet and wikipediahttps://davenumber7.substack.com/p/david-myatt-in-leeds>Coolmoonhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Coolmoonread the substack instead
>>42217602look at this faggothttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/coolmoon>An internet blog by some non-O9A individual is not a "reliable source" according to Wikipedia guidelines.http://en.kalitribune.com/prolegomena-to-any-future-satanism-order-of-the-nine-angles-and-supremacy-of-the-fringe-pt-1/
>>42217609better link:https://en.kalitribune.com/prolegomena-to-any-future-satanism-order-of-the-nine-angles-and-supremacy-of-the-fringe-pt-1/?nocss=yes
>>42217501I haven't written a blog since roughly the Myspace era so no.>>42217602OH NOES HE HAS MY IP IM SO SCAREDHELP ME JESUS
>>42217602more of his accounts: https://bsky.app/profile/oxfordian23.bsky.socialgangstalk him and his gooners
>>42217657Holy shit good find
>>42217468This is irrelevant to the question the anon asked about the concept of the soul.Stick to Martinet Press you retarded goober, that seems more your speed.
https://www.houseoficonoclasts.org/p/lest-you-forget>>42217701go back to your discord server
>>42217721>using discord Sorry to disappoint you faggot but I live in the real world.
>>42217721seems to be an analysis by some alternative satanists being in some larperscene
can someone click this link for me, thankshttps://www.9ao.org/veritas-in-spiritu/
>>42217752This page isn’t a hidden-history or conspiracy document at all—it’s a dense piece of practical Christian theology arguing that churches often fail by being inward-focused and passive, and that they should instead mobilize all members to actively serve and transform their communities; its main limitation isn’t flawed logic but academic heaviness, since it repeats and overcomplicates a fairly simple idea: churches should actually do something meaningful in the real world.
is this sutter's account?https://agonyspoint.substack.com/>>42217764so then it's a splinter.
>>42217764no wait, it's the website of those who wrote the document that's refered to here >>42217721
>>42217764lol, your website is an ip grabberhttps://web.archive.org/web/20240621175257/https://www.9ao.org/
>>42217764yeah, it's a fucking splinterhttps://web.archive.org/web/20250523004128/https://www.9ao.org/veritas-in-spiritu/
>>42217804no wait, it's actually informative
is T.C. Downey some kind of operative?
i'm starting to feel like these are all honeypots
lol found some of themhttps://web.archive.org/web/20240905163903/https://t.me/s/the_dark_crier>no guys they aren't one of us, we're above it all
>>42217873do these faggots actually use protonmail? lole
what's the point of making splinter groups when you're just painting a target on your backs? why not be a grassroots org instead?
https://web.archive.org/web/20240908084150/https://www.9ao.org/%CE%BB%CF%8C%CE%B3%CE%BF%CF%82-%E1%BC%81%CE%BC%CE%B1%CF%81%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%B1-larvae-in-the-09a/?doing_wp_cron=1725784909.9925301074981689453125larper infighting
>>42217752https://youtu.be/BQIyz4bLJu4?t=197
>>42217804This page is essentially a reputation-recovery and legitimacy-reclamation piece disguised as an exposé: it argues that the publicly known O9A was largely a fraudulent or manipulated counterfeit after the original core disappeared, that key identities like Anton Long were tampered with, and that the movement’s worst associations may have been amplified through deception or infiltration — but while that’s an interesting claim, the page itself relies far more on insider framing, mystique, and conspiratorial implication than on transparent evidence, so it reads less like a definitive investigation and more like a factional attempt to retake control of a poisoned myth.
>>42217901>>42217909yeah, i guess the real accelerationism is the friends they made on the way
this seems to be the full drama https://www.houseoficonoclasts.org/p/darganfod-chicanery-perfidy-and-misrepresentatio
>>42213976>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMfBZJ-HUxoi guess i never considered the video claims that feds didn't found ona but tried to replace it. it seems like david myatt and sutter try to race who's the biggest spook cuckold
>>42217901At least this guy works out unlike a lot of the fat fuck larpershttps://www.youtube.com/live/5aPGlAn_UHk
>>42217973this is so demoralizing
>>42217934sounds like this 9oa group are just splinter neo (p/n)atzies trying to be esoteric
>>42213515Are they 'divine feminine' cucks ?
>>42217602he used to do the same on usenet in the 90s.
>>42218039The original O9A does place importance on the role of women, yes.
>>42218039i think their internal mythology is that they were founded by a woman
>>42217977You're welcome
>>42218039Do you have mommy issues? Prior to about 50 years ago women played an absolutely crucial role in society. ONA doesn't ideologically rock with turdwave feminism, although they may use it towards a particular goal.
>>42218236the goal being crafting the most appealing narrative to queer chauvinists and shill in on the internetlook >>42215526
>>42213515>Most of these original niners are now in their 60s and 70s and continue to teach at universities like Oxford and Cambridgedo we know these professors' names?
>>42218255reminds me how ted kaczynski bombed one of epstein's friends
>>42218255I do not, but I know of people who do, however they would never publicly share that information.
>>42218254Lucifarians end up like that fat fuck that was posted earlier
>>42218063>>42218039Thank you for confirming my suspicions>>42218236I simply noticed some facts faster than you brainwashed retard
>>42218350Bet you're really really masculine and not an absolute slob uwu daddy
Are the entities they worship real or are they just made up?
>>42219643I have no way of answering this. They believe they are real, they believe that there are dark forces that exist in the acausal realm, and that satan has been used as a word by many religions to describe these dark forces, and that through rituals and practice one can form some sort of connection with these forces. Wether or not you buy into that is up to you.
>>42213515>previously had an association with Neo-Nazi groups So you did not went down the entire roadMyatt started as INTERNATIONAL socialist, a literal communist in his youth.
>>42214156Peter Thiel is unfathomably based, most of Silicon Valley will follow in his lead
>>42220024Thiel is not stupid, just late and gay. About 40 years too late. Same as all the other 20th century accelerationist he is stuck in an outdated epistemic era. Not their fault, they are just too old and inert to change their way of thinking about the world
>>42218039Genuinely and truly — why can't women have a seat at the table? Why are you so threatened by them? Fox and the grapes? A narrow vision of what society must look like? How humanity must be organized? Why would God give woman such an incredible capacity for talent, ability, and brilliance all their own, and yet I'm supposed to believe that I am supposed to dominate and exploit them. Mary Magdalene was the most important apostle, no matter what version of Christian you are. And if you are not Abrahamic at all, then I struggle to see why you genuinely fear the Shekinah. Other faiths the world over either place even greater importance on the feminine or openly venerate female deities alongside male deities. Only so much can be blamed on "patriarchy" for this. It feels as though you are possessed by a demon of lust and cynicism. Perhaps you are being manipulated by demonic forces to hate half of God's creation. There is a Divine Feminine no matter how you slice it — because God created women, therefore women are God as much as men.
>>42220024Thiel is a faggot goy slave of his jewish betters. All these people and groups are just retarded worthless LARPing bantuphilic xitter subhumans.
Bottom line I don't know how anyone with a bit of research can look at ANY supposed instance of the O9A and not instinctually know to stay the fuck away unless they're simply in it for the aesthetics. As this thread shows every aspect of their supposed platform has been done by other groups. (because they really are edgy wiccans and fed glowies). I grow tired of this no true scotsman bullshit. Roll your own nigger. Kaballah but with a natsoc rebranding is the faggiest fucking thing I've ever heard of. Everything they say is just stolen Thelema, Wicca and Kenneth Grant+Chaos Magic. They def had a good idea in taking the normalfag idea of satanism and turning it into a limited hangout for retards. The only question I have are their any other satanic groups sick of their bullshit. This is Spook shit through and through. I>>42220024shit like this makes me wondersometimes. IYKYK.Patsy orgs have a shelf life. Remember that. Not too many "Cosmicists" these days and when all you have to your name is genuinely revolting shit I wish the feds would just burn these assets already. Pedophiles and hibristophilllic faggots. That's all they are. I don't care if there is supposed insight in some of their OG teachings it's all either stolen or something that can be indepenently surmised. Fuck them all
>>42221586>Repeats boomer IC talking points>p-please stay away from this "group" we know has no group structures>muah Thelema, muah aesthetic, muah Sutter>p-please redirect to "save government sanctioned" larps>I-ykyb...You really don't get it why I did distribute Myatts ideas among young teenagers in the early 2020s, you really dont get it. Lets just say it ends your world and increases the probability of your world ending not by ponzi collapse but by knife in your belly by somebody under 25 and watching you bleed out on the pavement.btw, thanks for having been a good Barbara and Streisanding it for 5 years straight
>>42217770Yeah agony point is sutters new press after striker exposed martinet for the fed op that it is
>>42221762nobody sane buys your shit larp, xitter jeet
I'm still a bit confused about Myatts supposed involvement with intelligence agencies, there seems to be a likelihood of him being an informant but I question what the goal would be since his work is so obscure and also not as effective at entrapping and exposing people as someone like Sutter.
You know, the CIA has been running mindfuckery since they won against the SS, except that, being intelligent, they ... absorbed the SS into their ranks, like the absolute based borg they have always been. Same with the Drug Cartels. We all know who runs them, right? But ask yourself: why? To Centralize intelligence. Now... Is it centralized? Hardly. And the reason is simple... It hasn't won yet.
>>42222520Some have theorised that the o9a was an intelligence op created by myatt to attract wiccans. It's often forgotten that wicca had a right wing following in the 70s with doreen valiente supporting the national front. The insight roles and physical trials make it perfect for a government gladio operation. There's also the idea that myatt is rumored to be behind the killing of anti nuclear activist hilda murrel, with myatt being best buddies with a right wing ex military gladio operator who was known for attacking anti nuclear activists at demonstrations.Although all of this may just be made up or put out there by myatt to make the o9a more mysterious and dangerous than it actually is. He's known for doing that like how he made threads on the David icke forums bragging about how dangerous and evil the o9a were.
>>42222668This all begs the question though, is Myatt sincere in his convictions and like Sutter is he using his position to further his own goals or is it all an act? The O9A's material is so obscure and subtle that I feel like if it were all a honeypot it would be horribly obscure and hyper-specific, where as Sutter and ToB make more sense as being honeypots due to their more overtly radical and violent nature.
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>>42220972I'm sexually attracted to them and to domination. It's nothing personal.
>>42222817You know you can sexually dominate a willing participant in the bedroom without extending that dominion to other spaces, correct? That there are plenty of freaky women that would be super down with what you wanna do — but that there are also a bunch of women that don't wanna do that at all? And that, it would actually be *easier* to find those submissive women if you make it easier for the autonomous women to mobilize in their own directions? You do realize that, correct? That you are essentially acting as a choke-point in your own desires? That if we let women be free and hold up half the sky, we'll all get what we want? Because if you actually do try to act dominant across all spaces women occupy (or are attempting to enter), you'll run up against other domineering forces; forces that are definitely more powerful or capable than you. It would be easier for you to get what you want if you act as a channel for liberation, rather than a source of dominance and aggression. That by doing so, you'll likely encounter a woman who will freely give you those things in wholeness and absolute trust. On your current trajectory, you have no hope of finding what you want. Remember the platinum rule when it comes to dating women; girls just wanna have fun. Don't scare them. Overt dominance scares women, because men are physically stronger and more capable overall than women; not that women aren't equally capable of expressing violence and aggression, it's just that men are genuinely more dangerous and scary when they do so.
>>42223268>You know you can sexually dominate a willing participant in the bedroomYes, but I'm more extreme. I'm a sadist and consent turns me off. Again, it's nothing personal. If I was a woman I'd want to turn men into sex slaves.
>>42223287Fair enough. Just a heads-up, though; you were born into the wrong caste in the social hierarchy. If you were of the Epstein class you'd already have what you want. Although if you were, you'd probably be in a panic right about now even moreso than the average person paying attention. After all, the world order that upholds their depraved lifestyles are on the cusp of destruction.
>>42223359I wouldn't even necessarily want to be part of the "Epstein class". It'd be cool to be in the know of all the conspiracies and know the real truth but at the same time that just puts a target on me in case I do get caught and they want to silence me. Also from what I glean from the epstein emails these guys are just a bunch of fucking loser dorks, so annoying and cringe. I actively dislike all people.
