Daily Universal Line thread. Summary from the author:>UL is philosophical and metaphysical information which falls in the category of personal transformation. It not only gives you the biggest picture of the universe and your place in it but recommends the most practical thing to do about it – what I call commanding your universe. Though there may be references to traditions of knowledge or similarities to New Age teachings now and then, it’s not based on any of them. Its basis is your personal private confirmation of self-validating fact – more specifically, ONE thing.>If you’re coming from other teachings, you may find similar ideas. You may think, “Oh yeah, I know that.” That’s understandable as one tends to identify with what one already knows and experiences. The only problem is that your *whys* may be different *whys* than what led me to say what you think you already know. You’re then using a support system based in part on other’s teachings which may fall short of the info needed to see the complete picture of what I’m saying, and therefore the conviction you need to act on commanding your universe. Discuss progress, understanding, and share insight and ideas about UL teachings. >Link to the materialshttps://mega.nz/folder/Lx4iFL6I#BegNbkCyWo6vU48tHQdwXg>Community forumhttps://www.reddit.com/r/UniversalLine/
How do I beat the proof loops? I am addicted to them even when I know they're bad for me
You have to diffuse yourself to source. Then assert the new world. Being wave means destroying all your identity and diffusion of existence to no thing.. then you have an empty canvas to paint for reality breaking stuff. It's similar to void state but more intent driven than a AP stateVerify I am a human lol been a while.
there should be a word limit. and a special exclusion on using hyper-real simulacra when talking about these thingssome tell me what the idea is in less than 200 words
>>42223843By recognizing the universal field of presence you can ultimately reason out that everything is one thing and you are that (he reasons this out thoroughly.) Basically for any two things to exist they require a common reference field, which he calls presence. From there he draws the conclusion that anything is possible and all possibilities are available to you once you know you are that one thing. With the knowledge it will come naturally. Simply return to your state of presence (or rather, recognize that state) and then set the intention. That’s it. Do nothing to achieve everything. Existence is an expansion opportunity; it’s set up to make you feel limited at first so you can expand beyond that perceived limit, which is fun.
What kind of cool stuff have people achieved with this? Anybody raised the dead?
>>42226911If you truly conclude that people can raise the dead with this, and in fact, that others have done so before, you will find evidence that it's true.
>>42226926I'm not him but I truly believe that it is possible or rather it is impossible not to as it has already been done given the 12 attributes done and have been thinking about this. Do you have discord?I would enjoy talking to you further.
>>42223843Universal line is the direct study of the structural reality, God, and the true nature of your self, and how the reference field that underlies all those things contains reality and is (You). It's all about Who you are. This knowledge have organizing power, because acting on the higher truth, you recognize that the world is your mind, and Totality is your true identity, which culmination is materialization of every desire to your hearts content and everlasting ascension of power trough endless fulfillment, which is human-kind true destiny.That's my summarized understanding of it at the moment.
All the people believing in this Universal Line shit are doing the same shit they were doing before believing in it.All of the people who believe in Manifestation retardation are living the exact same way as before they believed in Manifestation retardation.What further proof do you need that this shit does not work?>Dude, you're totally god, you can do anythingWhy hasn't somebody completely rearranged the universe? Why are their 'godly powers' completely thwarted by materialism? Material reality > God-like abilities apparently. I have yet to see anything, ANYTHING, from any practice of magic, occult, manifestation, anything that can surpass material laws. Why might that be, I wonder? Because this is all B O L L O C K S. It's all fantasy. It's all retarded make believe.To any of you tards who believe in this and have mastered it, come to me and show me. This is the smallest ask of all time btw. The shit they claim you can do with this stuff, this is a nothingburger, yet they can't do it. It would take seconds to do. Yet they can't do it.Ask yourself why they can't do any of this shit? Why the fuck are they here on /x/ talking about this stuff all the time when they can apparently perform godly feats? Do none of you fucks even have the ability to question this stuff? Why do you insist on just eating up any bullshit that is placed in front of you? I could understand if you saw this in action for yourself and saw the effects of it, but you never have and you never will because it's BULLSHIT. Like everything else here.Not a single thing posted on this board works. It's all make believe for the weak minded. The material world has never been manipulated by anything outside of physical forces. You cannot move or shape things with your mind. All the limits I have in the material, these fags also have because the material rules over everything. It is undeniable. I have yet to see the materials laws be bent or broken. EVER.
>>42227121>What further proof do you need that this shit does not work?What further proof do you need to understand that this do actually works? Or can work? Do you seriously believe that the myths of the past and ancient mystic traditions are just novel fiction writings? You can't be serious. The point of Universal Line is that you prove this to yourself, because it's the only way really, you are always proving things to yourself all the time. Mechanical fact prove, in fact, that the world is a reflection of your current mental state, and that you are all on your own. Everything you said about reality in this post is 100% a conclusion you hold which is using the actual power behind everything to hold that in place, it's a direct consequence of not actually knowing shit. Because if someone posted photos of manifestation results (like has happened many times on this board) or caught video proof of psychic powers, or hell, even if it happened in front of you, you will use your imagination to cope and invent an story in your head of why that's not the case and believe that instead of sticking to the bigger picture, because reality depends on your perspective then the universe will give you exactly what you want (it's ai generated or video edition, it's a lie and a larp, it was an allucination in my brain, it's just not possible mmkay!). There's evidence and proof everywhere, but you simply create excuses because you don't understand it, because you refuse to understand, you are afraid that ultimately you have to confront that this world is an imaginary realm, and what we call manifestation it's actually the fundamental structure of life. Universal Line is 100% correct. Everything else that agrees is redudant, and everything that disagrees with it is wrong. As simple as that.
>>42227121>All this projectionkwab, speak for your self nigger, you got serious mental issues, i have gotten results and plan to push it further, that's what expansion is all about, the fact that people can get results with anything at all means that everything works and the difference is if you accept such a thing or not and act accordingly. the only thing this proof is that you don't know as much as you think about reality and yourself or are wilfully ignorant>muuh prooflurk the archives, nobody is obliged to give you nothing, see the facts and decide for yourself
>>42227241>that the world is a reflection of your current mental stateI love this retarded cope the most because it's the easiest thing to refute of all time.You, my retarded fucking friend, are right here with me. This world that I'm describing now? Yeah, you're here too. You're not in whatever fantasy cope you've projected, you're trapped in this same shithole as I am. That's why you're talking to me right now btw, because you're here with me.So whatever happy flappy cope reality you've invented is verifiably proven wrong when you say the world is a reflection of my mental state because you wouldn't be here talking to me if that were so, you'd be in your happy flappy cope land, but unfortunately for you, you're here in the exact same shithole that I am. >>42227261You have no results. None. Nada. You haven't broken a single material rule because you can't. >DUDE PLEASE BELIEVE ME WE'RE ALL GODS, NO, NOBODY WILL EVER PROVIDE PROOF, I CAN DO ANYTHING I WANT I JUST CAN'T PROVE IT BECAUSE.... BECAUSE I JUST FUCKING CAN'T OKAY?????Lmfaooooooooooooooo embarrassing, have your heard yourself you fucking retard?
>Mfw listening to manifestards begging me to believe in their bullshit>Mfw I give them the benefit of the doubt and ask them to tell me what they've manifested>"I manifested passing my test">Me - "Damn that's crazy, how did you manage that?">Them - "I just really wanted it and studied real hard"...So you didn't manifest anything, you studied and the result of that study is you retained the information needed to pass. Yeah, that's called hard work, not manifestation. Wanna know what manifestation really is? Creating something out of nothing. Which is impossible. Which none of you can do. Which none of you will ever do. And I do mean that. You will NEVER manifest something out of nothing. Manifest me in front of you now. Do it, faggot. Manifest and materialize riches in front of you instead of fucking 'manifesting a better job', why are you 'manifesting' a fucking job, you stupid cunts? Who does that? I'll tell you who, people who know they can't manifest anything of actual worth so they cope by saying they manifested a job because THEY CAN'T JUST MANIFEST THE MONEY LMAO.Holy fucking shit you guys are braindead. It's actually comical.
>>42227291>I love this retarded cope the most because it's the easiest thing to refute of all time.You either accept it or not. Refuting it's an experience and it doesn't change One-Thing. If you DON'T accept it, then you get that. How can you fuck this up?
>>42227322Manifestation depends on your spiritual development. Most people here are either low or middling and advanced people are off doing their own thing and have no care to show off or prove to others. Physical matter is dense. It takes time for your will to travel through physical matter. The closer your being is to matter the longer your manifestation take and the more “grounded” it will be.Quick effortless manifestation that is “like magic” or beyond understanding or reality bending requires a very high degree of development to overcome the density of matter. Amount sounds like to me you are angry you could never get manifestation to work so your goading and provoking others to try to proof you wrong so you will personally feel better. Your rants are a symptom of an individual who deeply desires to be proven wrong.
>>42227322I "manifested" someone giving me an specific object just simply deciding that it's going to happen to. An specific event, just commanding it. If that doesn't count for you, fine, but it's what i wanted to happen just for the sake of it, and it did, no effort at all. >Manifest me in front of you now. Do it, faggot.But you won't experience it, only i will. That's the point. You are doing this goalpost moving rethoric, but the essence of UL is that if you are so committed that it cannot be done, so that's what you get. Is this simple. Nobody can do anything for you. In fact, nobody does anything for you EVER, everything that happens in your life is from you.
>>42227388Manifestation it's just a name to just changing experience trough intention, which is the same as "magick" (not "magic" as it gets confused with stage magic, but "magick" which refers to reality manipualtion). Commanding sounds better because it implies volition but it's the same really. We're just simply moving our awareness from one experience to the next, but the experience it's all the same energetically. There's not "spiritual development" as such, just people acting on greater truths than others. UL knowledge makes you self sufficent once you have confirmed One-Thing, and metaphysically speaking, you're just dreaming the whole thing trought, including people seething at this teachings. Presence and intention it's perennial and constant, the rest is imagined.
>>42227361>One-ThingDamn, yeah, I read that shit too. I just wasn't retarded enough to continue believing it when absolutely 0 results were gained for following it to a T. You are mentally weak in that you follow shit you hear here, you put in the time, but then when you get no results, rather than correctly identifying the thing as bullshit, you just keep mindlessly believing it because you feel robbed of your time and expectations. I wanted it to work too. It didn't. End of story.>>42227388>Amount sounds like to me you are angry you could never get manifestation to work so your goading and provoking others to try to proof you wrong so you will personally feel better. Your rants are a symptom of an individual who deeply desires to be proven wrong.That is correct. In all of my rants here over the years I've never said anything to contradict that. That is exactly why I post here and I absofuckinglutely want to be proven wrong. In fact, nothing would make me happier than somebody proving me wrong.>>42227404>everything that happens in your life is from you.You speak like a whipped bitch. Battered wife syndrome.>"Dude you're here because you chose to be here, you totally agreed to this suffering existence, it's what you WANT"It's mind blowing to me how retarded you people are. Also there's always something why you can't prove it.>Universal law >Only you can experience it for yourself>It can't be shown, it can only be experiencedAny fucking cope that needs to be invented to avoid proving anything, it will be made, even if fucks have to make it up on the spot.>I "manifested" someone giving me an specific object just simply deciding that it's going to happen to. An specific event, just commanding it. Wow that's crazy, why didn't you manifest some land for yourself and enough riches so you don't need to work a day in your life? Why don't you manifest the ability to not need to breathe air anymore? Why do you never manifest something of relevance?
>>42227450Why are you so upset? The quote you posted seems pretty in line with this stuff, but you took it for the worst. Most of your comments it's just name calling, and just speaking for yourself rather than the actual core of this stuff. You threat Universal Line and Non Duality as something like LoA and New Age teachings where it's all make believe, rather than self validating knowledge that it's sufficient without any prior experience to live from. You will keep hearing the same things. For example:>I wanted it to work too. It didn't. End of story."Your conclusion", "The proof loop", "Your assumptions about reality", etc. You will keep hearing the same stuff, you will keep coming up with something else, and what you get it's just two or more people using their imagination to backup their views, which makes you realize that proving things (either to oneself or others) it's a waste of time because there's nothing else to know beyond the mechanical fact of Who. Everyone get the reality they commit themselves to have (again, something you will hear a lot repeated). If this is not for you, then why don't you do something else with your time? Not even trying to be dismissive, but if this is not for you, doesn't work for you, then why not just drop it? Chasing UL and LoA threads forever just to seethe instead of doing something for your life just doesn't seems healthy.
>>42227432True the development is also part of the game and is imagined youre correct, however that imagined development has a definite effect over the efficacy of the manifestations. One whose mind is subdued and overtaken by matter will find manifestations slow and boring. One whose mind walks on the water of the subconscious ocean realizes their manifestations instantly like magic. >>42227450Allow me to introduce a concept for you called Indras Web. You may think that we are all in the same shared reality but what if that was not the case? Indras web a massive network of jewels. All connected to each other all reflecting into each other. Each jewel is a person dreaming their private dream right now. The other people you see are reflections or shadows of their jewel reality reflecting into yours. The me you see in your dream only a reflection. The same vice versa. The others in your dream a smoke and mirror. This is only an approximation of reality but it allows you to grasp the notion that you are possibly alone in your dream and are in fact allowed to have whatever you want. You thinking that you must do things correctly or to appease some overseer intelligence in order for these desires to manifest is part of your own dream. You desire money but you have cast off the power that brings you the money as a “other” an “unknown variable” that must be appeased in order for succeed to be had. Don’t you know that the power that brings you the money is under your control?
>>42227450>Why do you never manifest something of relevance?This is why you are so miserable. I do what i want when i want it, and i'm free to larp as much as i want on the internet because i don't need validation from some random text on a screen. You find being a keyboard warrior more fulfilling than understanding this.
>>42227482There's nothing of value in this life. I don't particularly care how I spend my time, there's nothing here for me. I don't wanna be here, never did, never chose to. This is the shittest place imaginable. Like whoever created this dogshit plane of existence must have really dug deep to make it as garbage as it is. Subhuman shitskins aplenty. Boring animals that can't speak or do anything interesting. What's the point of here? Next best thing after posting here is going out, staring at the trees for a few hours thinking about how shit this place is then coming back home to post more about how shit this place is.No magic, no legendary creatures, extremely fragile, pathetically weak meat prison bodies that can't do anything, die without constant maintenance.And guess what? Whatever you think you're doing that is better is a joke because you live in this same world as me as much as you want to deny it. You have the exact same constraints as me and the things that you find 'fun' I quite frankly find boring and thoroughly dull.>>42227499You're being rattled by what I posted so forgive me if I don't believe a word you're saying about you 'doing what you want' lmao.You're under the same laws and tyranny as I am. Go walk into somebodies house and claim it as your own. Prove your claims to yourself and not to me. You know you won't because under the schizo pretense even you know you cannot do what you like. You play by the rules of the system because you have no choice but to do so.
>>42227493Some things i discerned from UL:>Reality resides in your own undivided perspective on first person, a one-thing without any dimensions or boundaries from which you percieve your experience. This field is God, is what remains even if everything else in experience cease to be, this is (You). The universe comes from your consciousness, you are existence itself, presence. >Everything that happens comes from intention, aware of it or not. >Everyone life in their self contained "world", which means that every experience is exclusive from one another, unless you dictate your actions and intentions for that to not be the case, and the mechanism remains the same.>Reality is imaginary. Including pain, shortcomings, and percieved limitations. Acknowledging One-Thing, these things dissolve, and you can just simply command experiences to come to you rather than persisting on them being separated from your grasp by the mere virtue of being One-Thing. EIther asking to some faraway entity support host or to "God" directly to come to your rescue, it's still (You). OCB, Krishna, etc, it's your greater self, which prior to your birth arranged the present circumstances for your present expansion opportunity and eventual return to your true nature as Totality. Even if you don't accept it now, or won't accept it on this current lifetime, this super deterministic power will always lead to the same destination for your fulfillment, so everything happens for the most precious reason. Yes, sometimes it sounds corny and pseudopoetic, but that's the great thing about knowing about Who, it makes everything else meaningful.
There are some really good posts in this thread. Thank you for sharing them.>>42227493Underrated post. Eloquently put. I hadn't thought of this thought construct as a metaphor but it's beautiful. Do you have any other, anon?
>>42227531You are so tiring.
>>42227553Perhaps you should just manifest me away if that's the case?Or you could skip the manifesting part and just close the thread (but then claim that doing that was you manifesting me away, which is what manifestfags do anyway).Imagine my surprise when 'god' here can't even deal with me. See what I mean about your godlike abilities ending where the material begins?I should be a fucking philosopher.
>>42227531>There's nothing of value in this life. I don't particularly care how I spend my time, there's nothing here for me. I don't wanna be here, never did, never chose to.I think we can get something of value from this discussion. I have a question for you: If you got what you wanted, would you act this way? Hold the same attitude? If the answer is not, then this is not really who you are, actually? What is true doesn't change, so if your perspective depend on the experience, you're putting the cart before the horse i think. There's value on keep acting diligently on these practices and general constructive daily living habits even if you feel this way because you know it matters, unless you don't really know that. Pessimism and fatalism it's a byproduct of not really knowing better and thinking mistakenly that we cannot get what we want, which also means that you haven't confirmed this stuff by yourself first. >>42227565But (You) are God. You are actually making the rules here, which includes "Nope, i WON'T leave this thread, and you will hear what i have to say", and on you go. UL and non duality it's an entirely first person thing, you are not applying it correctly if you try it on something else beyond your direct experience (There's no reality beyond your own, because even if you got that, it will still be you).
>>42227551Yes and it will be for the purpose of helping this guy because he needs it>>42227565You have let your eyes become blind with lies that there is evil everyhwere. Eyes that see evil are unfit to gaze upon the kingdom of God. To create there must be union of male and female to dissolve there must be a separation. To make manifestation you combine a thought and emotion male and female. To break one you must separate a thought from its corresponding emotion. And see they are both empty and without inherent meaning. Ask yourself to what purpose was your posts? To dishearten others in their chosen path? Is that a worthwhile or noble endeavor? Is such a person deserving of the money they keep trying to manifest?
>>42227450>You are mentally weak in that you follow shit you hear hereYou follow anything you read, hear or learn anywhere all the time that confirms the things you know already and are predisposed to follow. The difference is accepting responsibility for the ideas you absorb because you obey what naturally captures your imagination instead of insisting that you were tricked or something when you had the final say all along. I could be doing anything else, and yet i follow these teachings not because i believe them to be true, but because i know they are, not for "me" but "everyone" and everything which is that same field. Really, we're not so different, but where all this "collides" just like the tectonic plates do it's that it all comes down to choice. The readers of this thread will side with UL teachings if they are commited to it, if they reason with them and everything they have learned so far culminates there in this present spot on their line of expansion, but so it's the other way around for skeptics and radicalized LoA failures, but all this it's just fiction on this site because our lives themselves are fictional, nothing that is happening now is really everlasting but temporary and the current "physical world" is not the same one from 4000 years ago which has their own discourses and own variation of stubborn skeptics who assisted the coverup at the time. Nothing impede us in total privacy to just decide once and for all that this world is a personal dream and setting your lives upon this course already knowing how it ends. I think there's immense value that despite what happens to us or not, still holding onto our higher ideals and make out of them self fulfilling prophecies in a Don Quixotean fashion. It's heroic to stand for something like this, and fun because it doesn't ask that much from you besides acknowledging of the truth, and just simply being Who you are.
>>42220836Ask Chronos
>>42227593If I got what I wanted then I wouldn't be here and if I weren't here then all of my complaints about being here would no longer be relevant.But there is no getting out of here so this is all pointless discussion.>>422276501. Who said I was trying to manifest money? How is that the conclusion you came to? I fucking H A T E everything about this world and your conclusion was that I want money?The fuck do you think I'm going to do with money? I want real magical abilities. I want an incorporeal never dying body. I want to create worlds with creatures in that aren't boring as fuck like this world. Why are dragons only in myth and legend? Because the people who conjured them up in their mind know that the animals we have here are shit. Nothing about the situation I'm in could be fixed by money. I want out of this meat prison body and out of this material world.
>>42227669Haha you are decent guy despite your tone you are like me I also feel that intense desire for a magical life. I apologize your tone seemed to lean towards a desire for material goods.Like I said don’t allow your own eyes to blind you. Don’t always believe something just because it was said using your own voice.
>>42227669>>42227650Also, you just fucked up.> Is such a person deserving of the money they keep trying to manifest?What does deserving have to do with anything?You argue that we're all god, now all of a sudden only some are 'deserving' of the things they want.Laughable. Is this a new cope rule you've just come up with? Now it all makes sense! All my past attempts must have failed because I wasn't deserving of it. Right, right!Babe, wake up, a new cope excuse just dropped! It's le universal law cope all over again. Repackaged and ready to go.
>>42227565>Or you could skip the manifesting part and just close the thread (but then claim that doing that was you manifesting me away, which is what manifestfags do anyway).It reminds me from a classic tale:>Once a monk approached the Buddha and stated that he had been meditating for over 30 years. The Buddha asked, "what have you learned?". The monk replied, "I have mastered the jhanas and now I can walk on water.". The Buddha asked, "Impressive, but what is the cost to take the boat to the other side?". "One-and-a-half cents" replied the monk. The Buddha replied, "Then the value of your miracles is one-and-a-half cents, you could have taken a boat across for one-and-a-half cents to the other side and spent your time developing insight instead; and by now you would have been enlightened".I think the time people spend arguing in pointless debates would be better spend just practicing and compromising with this stuff to get what they actually want, but having to "debate" and discuss and having to "win" in online annonymous threads before manifesting anything it's either another consequence of not knowing about Who, or just something they love to do (no way to distinguish between the two). Either way, i don't think anyone really enjoys keep feeding people who hate life when you can spend that time with like minded persons which company is more meaningful and useful. >>42227669Paolucci talks about archiving inner returns, which is to isekai'd yourself to "another world". If you still identifying yourself with your body instead of your consciousness, you won't bother to persuing it, but if you get that what you really are is Conciussness/One-Thing dreaming inside a body you realize that what you would actually be doing is moving your consciousness to another "frequency" and staying there instead. You can also command just simply feeling good and stop being misserable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's that simple.
>>42227669>But there is no getting out of here so this is all pointless discussion.It's because you don't know that it's possible to turns things around. Besides, coping with "well, 4chan is a pit of losers, so i don't have to improve myself or either listen to people here who aspire to trough this knowledge" is also not knowing what's actually going on.
>>42227716>I think the time people spend arguing in pointless debates would be better spend just practicing and compromising with this stuff to get what they actually wantBasically what happens with the /LoA/ general, and just people in general. They want to pass the time gossiping, seething and discussing points in circles, instead of doing things and exploring. They make an academic hassle what should be the most simple straightfoward thing to know about independent of anything other than your mere existence, and they also create these endless sysyphean tasks to what should be the most easiest, comfortable thing you could ever do.
>>42227740Yeah it’s funny it’s like People need some proof that they’re believing the right thing so they don’t waste their time doing the wrong thing but that’s what they end up doing anyway haha. Buncha clowns. Having what your heart wants is possible that’s why your heart wants it in the first place. That’s why it even thinks that to begin with.
>>42227707>Babe, wake up, a new cope excuse just dropped!Anyone whose message boils down to "nope nothing is possible, getting what you want is not going to happen" it's a cope. Any "but" as well. If you want infinite free money materialized out of nowhere, you can just have it, if you want mystical experiences and a purely magical life, you can just have that. You have to really divorce yourself for good that there's a division between yourself and the universe, and accept that you're the sole rulemaker. You no longer have to justify what you do or do mental gymnastics, that's for people who don't know who they are. You can have it all, fully, ideal and unconditional.
>>42227716I don't want to win an online argument. Is that what you think I'm here for? Just to troll for the epic lulz?I am a doomer, there is nothing else to do here but to complain about this prison we are stuck in.All this shit on /x/? Doesn't work.No demons to summonNo angels to summonNo magic to be hadNo manifestationNo astral projectionNo kundaliniNo nothingAll just empty larps. >moving your consciousness to another "frequency" and staying there insteadOh good, more retardation.>Muh high vibrationsGive me a break.>>42227726I don't want to improve myself you fucking faggot. How are you people so fucking dumb that you still can't even understand what it is I want after reading through all my posts? Do you even have an inner monologue? Can you visualize in your mind? This whole 'earth is a school, you need to learn and improve' shit is fucking infuriating. Who the fuck asked if I want to come to this shithole to 'learn' these lessons? I don't. Never fucking asked. It was enforced upon me, like it was you regardless of how much you cope and pretend it's actually not so bad (whilst simultaneously engaging in an escapism larp lmao).I don't need to improve myself because there's nothing to improve upon. I am perfect. Karma does not exist. Frankly I don't give a fuck about any of you fags or anyone else for that matter, all I care about is that I, specifically, am trapped here and I don't want to be, so I engage in your shitty little larps to see if they're a way out, I find out that OOPS! Nope, they're not and then I (rightfully) bitch about them not working and providing false hope for an escape.Your shitty larps are not immune to criticism when they get outted as being a grift.
>>42227787>I don't want to improve myself you fucking faggot.Retard. You only want to be misserable. This is not self improvement, is just getting shit done. You're just mad, alright, but stop pretending to be retarded. You don't want to do it? Alright, i'm only informing you that it's on you.
>>42227787>Only because i never lived those things it means that they cannot be doneI wonder how ancient people would feel about the idea of electricity. >Oh good, more retardation.sigh....
I've been sitting here with a 10 hour long migraine with no end in sight. Did I ask for that too? Was that part of this grand plan I laid out for myself. Damn, what an incredible architect I am creating this world of pain for myself. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's not address the elephant in the room that this is inflicted on me by an outside force, no no, I totally put myself through this because 'iTss whAt I wAnT BRo'AND RIGHT ON TIME, LOOK AT THIS RETARD HERE - >>42227810>You only want to be misserableHoly fucking shit. You can't make this shit up.
>>42227787>>42227818If you conclude or fully accept that it's all a grift and nothing can be done, then you're right. If you conclude or fully accept that it can be done and it's practical and actionable knowledge, then you're right. I really don't know what to tell skeptics at this point anymore lol
>>42227815When electricity was discovered, we all see the benefits of it. When electricity powers something, its effects are visible to all. You can hear and see electricity.Your delusions however aren't visible to anybody besides you. All ages have dreamt of magic yet none have ever had it. They still have to till the ground and die from disease.Don't compare your brainworms to discoveries that can actually be proven beyond any doubt. I have tried all this shit, I am the ultimate arbiter of what works and what doesn't because I am the only one with the mental fortitude to walk away from things which I've tried and which have failed instead of latching onto them like a parasite.
>>42218700how do you not hate yourself from this shit? im not trying to be an asshole but i feel fucking guilty if this is the case because it means im responsible for all the rape and murder or the millions of brown people living miserable lives in africa or whatever. I mean ig i could just dream something else but i dont “know myself” enough or whatever for that to actually bear fruit and it feels like ignoring very real pain when i could do something about it. At least before these ideas i could live by knowing its not my fault and help when i could (blood donations, construction work, donating clothes, etc.). I just don’t fully buy this concept desu, i understand the base fact that everything is 100% oap because due to its nature it permeates everything and is indivisible, basically like a fractal where any tiny part fully represents the whole. I dont buy the “everything happens for a perfect reason” shit because it falls apart on a global scale, im not saying everything bad should be gone but if the universe wanted to experience being poor and brown why not do it once or twice instead of a million fucking times a day. I feel like there is something wrong about the texts but im not enough of a philosopher to explain it. I am interested in this stuff but haven’t had much luck so far, this shit makes me anxious and triggers what i think might be ocd desu.Perhaps due to the nature of infinity all these possibilities had to happen anyways, you werent you for a grand reason but just a part of infinity that had to form because infinity is infinity, this doesnt change the underlying facts but still makes it possible without having some moral baggage.
>>42227844But the point of things like astral projection and lucid dreaming is that they're all purely subjective phenomenons that only can be experienced by the sole experiencer alone. We call those experiences like that for our tendency to label stuff, but the ancient gave them a different name being essentially the same:https://sacred-texts.com/bud/ettt/index.htmManifestation and all those psychic phenomena works just the same. They're all purely subjective things that only produce change for one's own experience, but the "results" are things that remains for intersubjective interaction. Science has gotten there with QBism (while just handwaving the implications because it implies that the modern practice of science is kind of useless), the instituion did also researched OBE's and magick (Labarne, Monroe, the CIA on magick and remote viewing, etc). All this stuff it's just intention doing the trick, but unaware of the bigger picture, we don't tend to attempt more ambitious changes. When the post above told you that what you are is conciussness dreaming a body, it's because this is why anyone could have an OBE in the first place, it won't be possible otherwise (no matter even if you're physicalist or whatever, One-Thing remains). This can be proven without doubt, but not in the way you think, because you are trying to make something happening while deciding against it, like talking about the texture of the grass while refusing to touch it. The only proof is to oneself, and experience is not proof because it could happen for any reason. This is about Who.
>>42227860Huh weird how you're world perfectly matches mine. But I thought these tards here were saying all our worlds are different (they're not btw, my world is exactly the same as yours. Guaranteed. To claim otherwise is pure undiluted cope).Only I don't lament for the brownoids, I wish they didn't exist. They are completely worthless lifeforms. What the fuck is the point of these things?Infact, it is the very existence of shitskins that is the biggest indicator that I am not god because were I too actually be god I would have -1. Not made them to begin with. Why the fuck would I?2. Would annihilate them all on the spot right now. I wouldn't 'torture' them in hell or any stupid shit like that, I would simply make them cease to exist, because they are pointless and I don't want to see or think about them again.
>>42227904Just command them to go away bro. If you don't experience something, is even a thing? Same principle applies for those "extraordinary things" and the stuff you want to live but won't accept them as possible. You still use who you are, even to not go for what you want, because you still being it.
>>42227889Remote viewing and Astral Projection are bullshit too.I've got the Monroe tapes. I've put hours into them. Nothing. Fucking. Happens. Takes too much time and effort to do each attempt, then I hear an absurdly loud bang like the house is falling in on me and I jolt awake. There is no shot I'm ever getting past that, it's too loud to just ignore, it'll always jolt me awake.And remote viewing? I've challenged /x/ to remote view something close to me maaaany times over the years and the ones that take up the challenge always fail to identify the thing I was asking them to identify.You can't fucking say they can remote view but they somehow can't remote view what I want them to remote view, that's completely retarded.
>>42227929>Remote viewing and Astral Projection are bullshit too.x,DDDD Aaaaaa
>>42227932xDDDDD indeed. Let's put it to the test, shall we?Remote View and describe the picture on my monitor to my right of me. Should be easy enough.
>>42227929>You can't fucking say they can remote view but they somehow can't remote view what I want them to remote view, that's completely retarded.1. Anon puts an orange with a top hat in front of him. "Remote view me"2. Do it, and tell anon what i saw3. "Nuh uh"4. No way to prove either that anon is lying, or i'm telling the truth.Welcome to the internet i guess. Who knows how many people have gotten insane results and didn't bother reporting it just because they can just do that. UL teaching however holds itself just fine because, again, it's self validating information, experience it's personal and "ilussory", and you rest in what he calls One-Thing which is everything you need to know to go on, instead of just "believing" or waiting for some arbitrary experience to actually go and do the things you want. If reality is a dream of each one, then what i'm looking for to be sure of it's what underlies "the dream". You act on things you know beforehand to do things anyway, i don't know why this would be any different. >>42227951People saying that something is possible doesn't mean that they know how to do it. You should directly go to remote viewing communities and see what you can get. But if something like this is possible, why it should stop there?
>>42227951NTA, anon you're going into a system entirely about belief while not believing in it and asking why it doesn't work.
>>42227964>1. Anon puts an orange with a top hat in front of him. "Remote view me">2. Do it, and tell anon what i saw>3. "Nuh uh">4. No way to prove either that anon is lying, or i'm telling the truth.This has got to be up there amongst the dumbest scenarios I've heard in a while.Why would the person who asked for the remote viewing say no if the person got it right?The obvious response in this hypothetical scenario would be one of awe and excitement. Your variation doesn't even make any sense.>UL teaching however holds itself just fine because, again, it's self validating information, experience it's personal and "ilussory", and you rest in what he calls One-Thing which is everything you need to know to go on, instead of just "believing" or waiting for some arbitrary experience to actually go and do the things you want. But it isn't self validating because if it were then I would have experienced it and would be agreeing with you now instead of doing the opposite because my experience with UL came up empty. >>42227988No, that is my current stance. I go into all of these systems fully immersed in them.I come out not believing specifically because nothing fucking happened so yeah, ofc I'm going to not believe after doing said thing, getting no results and then concluding that it doesn't work. That's normal.
>>42227787Yes, all the points you said are true, but see pic related
>>42227964>People saying that something is possible doesn't mean that they know how to do it.Or, that they know how to do it, but can't just yet? Just because you have a working out plan and know how to practice, doesn't mean that instantly you would be able to lift your body with one arm at once (it can happen, but in this case it's an analogy to illustrate that what others tell you about their experience doesn't mean that it's a fixed value you should act upon as final). Everyone acts on what they know, and the world informs you of that in a feedback process, so if you keep accepting "the way things are" you are willfuly muddling yourself sticking with lower truths. UL is more about understanding that you can do everything and going for it because of Who you are, and when you examine the reasons of others of why they "can't" that's a trap because it's just more conclusion baggage when it can just be ignored, acknowledge the facts, and stand still as OAP not feeding the loop again. UL stuff is about getting things done important to you, not proving things to others, but if what you want is prove things to others in this way or another, you can have that too, but don't expect that to happen when people on this board started this to get their desires, not to waste time with keyboard warriors.
>>42226911Orgy with a bridal party in a fast food restaurant.
if everything is my private dream and everyone else is a shadow, how can anyone do UL stuff that i wouldn’t believe possible? Wouldnt the version in my dream be incapable of doing it and thus not say they did it/if they did they are just larping? How can i even know about UL or be surprised if the proof loop will do everything to confirm my current worldview?
>>42227998>But it isn't self validating because if it were then I would have experienced it and would be agreeing with you now instead of doing the opposite because my experience with UL came up empty.It is self validating for the facts, not for any experience at all. There's nothing else we can say that will make you change your mind because you still don't want to acknowledge that none of those things matters really. You can have everything by just commanding it because without your presence there's no reality, and so reality is contained in you as One-Thing. The fact that you still "refuting" and not wanting to accept it as true means that you experience that and all that implies. I'm not actually you so i don't really know what's up, but non-duality is about accepting that the world is as you are. When you say "well mister, if UL is true, then just manifest yourself in my house as a six eyes silver dragon" that's not UL, because if that happened, it's something (You) make it happen, not "me". You leave perception and experience behind to stand as the one who is doing all this. If you think experience it's first before presence, and that you are not that, then you are not using UL.
>>42227998He thinks you are in bad faith and would lie regardless of what happened to save face.Do describe what fully immersed means in your case. What made you initially receptive to the ideas? When and how did you realize they didn't work, as opposed thinking you did it wrong, which I assume you believed beforehand?
>>42228055>What made you initially receptive to the ideas?The same thing that drives me to all occult practices. Curiosity and a means to escape my current situation.>When and how did you realize they didn't work, as opposed thinking you did it wrongWhen nothing was happening time after time, session after session for weeks.I'm not going to continue doing something that takes a lot of time and effort to do but bears no fruit. That is folly.I want results. Even minor ones would be enough to spur me forward, but nothing? No chance. Pointless.
>>42228081What exactly did you do with the systems you were trying to use? What entailed a session in "normal" LoA? It's important to know because people constantly reinterpret and alter all of these.
>>42228081>I'm not going to continue doing something that takes a lot of time and effort to doWhy were you efforting? You don't have to do anything more than nothing, and it's only once a day for 10 minutes of just relaxing.
>>42228145In LoA specifically?Tried morning affirmations for a couple of weeks.Larped as if I already had something I wanted then forgot about it under the assumption that I had it (then never received it, even now years later).>>42228172Even meditation is effort. Keeping a schedule is effort. 10 minutes of relaxing? More like 10 minutes of trying to keep my mind focused and not thinking about other things.Even outside of LoA when trying to Astral Project, the fucking Monroe Hemi-Synch tapes were effort because I eventually had to memorize when to do the past exercises and for how long to do them and to memorize the damn affirmation etc.
>>42228216>10 minutes of relaxing? More like 10 minutes of trying to keep my mind focused and not thinking about other things.But you don't have to do that, it's just doing nothing.
>>42227658https://youtu.be/sKouPOhh_9I
>>42227889>experience is not proof because it could happen for any reason. This is about Who.nta but whats the point if knowing who doesnt lead to the experience. Not sure if im phrasing this correctly but does knowing who actually change this reality or just lead to returns in dreams or whatever. If its the latter whats the point? I understand that inner returns are equally as valuable and true or whatever but I want external returns and if i know who i am they should happen instantly and are equally valid to ask for since I am OAP 100%. Stuff about perfect plans from OAP or limiting beliefs is just systemics no? i dont really get why there is a time delay in many cases or what it means to know OAP to your core. If you go into every situation knowing the highest truth whats the point if it doesn’t go anywhere. I can decide to have 10k and ignore my senses but at some point the 10k must appear for this shit to be true no? whats the point of knowing this logical truth otherwise and does the world even need to follow that logic? How can you falsify this stuff if you cant take any experience as a conclusion?
