>elder scrolls>the gods are verifiably real>they speak to you>cool gods like sanguine who will give you your own tailor crafted afterlife exist and are real>real life>gods are silent, assuming they even exist>no verifiable instance of anything supernatural happening>rituals and magick may work but it's all vague feelings>if a deity does speak to you, its usually when you're asleep and dreaming, which means its not verifiableWhy the fuck is real life so boring? Why can't I live in Tamriel and worship Sanguine and have orgies for eternity after I die.
>>42219618Nirn is a prison planet created by Lorkhan.
it goes deeper than just that, look into chim and zero-factoringelder scrolls spirituality is hinduism
>>42219618>godsYou mean demons. Most Daedra are not good. The closest to "real world gods" is the Aedra that like you said don't usually interfere.
>>42219741Aedra still interact with mortals and give blessings.
>>42219618you just don't know how to look or listen right. they appear in patterns, in addition to outright blatant astral communications. and btw you can do the same with other people, too. just gotta know how.
>>42219618They are real you're just not the main character that does all the cool quests
>>42219618They dont just talk to any joe or nancy though, in the games your a person of high importance so the daedra try to win some influence over you, and the aedra (though dead or whatever) grant you their boon
>>42219618>they speak to youThe only reason they speak to you is because you're basically a god too.Arguably you're stronger than all of them, specially after defeating Alduin and eating his soul. If the dragonborn really tried he could destroy the whole universe.
>>42220055You dont absorb his soul though, as hes the prime dragon that will return to devour the world and return it to the past
>>42220055The Dragon born doesn't eat Alduins soul.
>>42220094>>42220093>>42220055>"OH NO WE CANT BEAT THIS DRAGON BY HITTING IT WITH HAMMERS AND AXES, SEND IT TO THE FUTURE!!!!">dragon becomes infinitely stronger by devouring the souls of the strongest and bravest warriors and gets beaten by beating it with hammers and axes but with the help of 1 extra guy
It's only boring because you haven't proven to the Universe that you can handle having your Veil torn away.Try again.
>>42220051>>42220055Joe schmoes can interact with daedra and aedra. I don't know where this myth comes from. Sinding tells you that he spoke to Hircine and got a ring cursed by him, and Sinding isn't anybody important.
>>42219618https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quo5G-joSi0You know... some people even worship the Daedra in real life. and why not? everything is just in your head anyway, why not believe in something cool and not the same old junk from this boring world.
>>42220106>1 extra guyUnderstatement of the age but yea it was a little anticlimatic.
>>42220122They can, but at least with daedra theyre liable to just get buttraped or sacrificed or used to find someone more worthwhile. Ones like Hircine and Sanguine are less picky about mortals, while ones like Nocturnal and Malacath require a bunch of BS to even get heard. And anyone can get the blessing of the Aedra for a few shekels
>>42219618Pledge yourself to me, and you can have eternal servile life and unwilling access to boundless knowledge and gelatinous goop
>>42220156https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL7WHdYRDqgNaw brah, follow uncle Sheo down the primrose path into true paradise. The weather's nicer here, and less paper cuts than living in Apocrypha.
There's a whole elder scrolls theory that the player (not the player character) is a missing god that exists in-universe, and a main reason as to why vivec doesn't truly engage with you in combat. He can't really defeat the god in control of the player character, so he can, at most, give a fight, die, then will himself back to life once the visiting god is satisfied.
>>42220193Can i trouble you for a stay in the Fields of Regret? I assure you the name is misleading, all deals are honored in their full
>>42220209real shame about that name. clearly an oversight by someone
Look, one time I really needed something to happen. Well actually, it wasn't exactly for me, so maybe need is the wrong word, but anyway I offered a libation to Zeus and the extremely unlikely thing I asked for happened in the next couple hours. He didn't appear to me or anything, but it sure felt like he listened. I haven't asked for anything since, I don't want to bother him.But all those Dionysus cultists that Rome had to violently suppressed sure were experiencing something. Maybe the issue is you are expecting to experience the result of a practice you aren't engaging in.
>>42220148Right, which proves OP correct.
>>42220281>I offered a libation to Zeus and the extremely unlikely thing I asked for happened in the next couple hoursYour post is extremely vague. How about you actually tell me what this "extremely unlikely" "thing" is. Secondly, this is exactly what OP is talking about. Gods in the Elder Scrolls will talk to you and they all have different afterlives for you to spend eternity in. Gods in our world will never actually speak to you, maybe they will grant your wish in some way but it's never whimsical or in your face. And the afterlife most likely doesn't exist, either nothingness or reincarnation.
>>42220372Furthermore, Elder Scrolls has actual cool shit like vampires and werewolves, and literal magic. The strongest magician in our world could never cast a fireball from his hands. Our world is just objectively lamer than fiction.
>>42220385https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe5oGjTI8GEand wereboars, don't forget Elder Scrolls also has wereboars
>>42220135True, Pop Culture Paganism is a thing
>>42219654On the surface you might assume so, but you are wrong. The "Anuic"/"Aurielic" essence is more like the "demiurge" and return to blinding stasis of unity that the "merethic" philosophy leans towards(though painful as it is to admit, the more enlightened Dunmer are actually the most correct "life is a test/suffering but you're meant to learn how to get out properly") is the real prison. Shor started a prison riot to get you transferred and left you a spoon and cryptic messages to help you tunnel out of your cell. Keeping with the prison analogy, however the most mannish of men (Nords) have somewhat taken Shor's gift too enjoyably and are now the inked up AB members that genuinely enjoy shanking lames in the yard.
>>42219618If you looked more closely the lore has exactly what you describe the "Divines" can't really get involved in the world because they became "it" or concepts governing it. The Daedra are more "powerful" and much less powerful in many senses because they really just are their entire plane of existence floating in little spheres in the void surrounding the "real" world but can't meaningfully interfere in it
>>42220055Any old dork can potentially interact with Daedra (as in the princes) there's just no guarantee they'll give you anything interesting or won't fuck you up for having the gall to be an unimportant shit head
>>42219741Aedra and daedra are almost the same thing.
>>42222166https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cv-GPRBTrgBoth are divine beings. The difference is Aedra helped create the world and by doing so merged with it and lost most of there power. The Daedra didn't help create the world and are outsiders to it and kept all there power. Daedra are free agents, and Aedra are simply part of the system.
>>42219618Gods are not silently, what are you talking about?
>>42219618You could do worse than Azura. After playing several times and becoming Nerevarine and wasting Dagoth Ur, I did all right by Azura.p.s. I always interpreted CHIM as pressing the ~ key. ;)p.p.s. OpenMW for teh win
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>>42220372The actual event didn't seem relevant to the point I was trying to make, which is that religion is experiential and maybe it is actually pretty easy to experience if you actually do it. I'm not trying to convert anyone to Zeus worship, my point is that how would anyone have a religious experience if they don't engage in religious action?Sure I can explain the situation if you are curious, but the specifics were actually beside the point from my perspective. What I was trying to suggest was that anon might need to put himself in the position to have a religious experience if he wants to have one, rather than expecting intellectual validation before hand. Cicero was initiated at Eleusis and seems to have had a deeply moving spiritual experience, but I think we can safely say Cicero did not literally believe that winter is caused by Demeter being sad about missing Persephone.
