I think the title of this thread is a spiritual line in the sand.You either understand it or you don't, and nothing anyone says will cause you to go from one side to the other.Those who do not understand/agree with the title of this thread are of this world.Their root is the same as the root of this world, they have nothing to draw on but the rules of this world, which will of course justify itself. And so the world makes perfect sense to them, and there is nothing inside them which can be used to show them another way.Those who do understand/agree with the title can be reached. Because some part of them is not of this world.>but animals live without paying any costNo they don't. The body demands a cost of "sustenance" which they must pay to continue existing. A currency which is only acquired through labor, and deposited into the mouth.The problem is not human civilization, the concept of currency is embedded in the nature of this world. The fact that we developed an economy is just an echo of what nature is already teaching (a lesson which is a lie).
>>42232971Yes but the physical universe doesn't work this way.You should also be God, but you aren't.
>>42232971Death is the greatest loss of life and >Simply existing should not cost you anythingTry not eating for a few days
>>42233028>>42233053>thread about seeing beyond the laws of the world>"erm actually, the laws of this world say you can't"
>>42232971The creator is evil.
>>42233028>>42233053You both just exemplified the 2nd paragraph.>they have nothing to draw on but the rules of this world, which will of course justify itself.You both used the world to justify the world. Perhaps because you find nothing else within yourself to draw on, to show you a higher reality beyond this one.
>>42233110>you are not self sufficient and this must be codependentThat is of course what the world has taught you. Are you of its root or do you know another?
agreedI spent years trying to figure this out myself, even argued about it here last monththere was never any capital N necessity behind modeling this universe on suffering (for that is what everything here boils down to)there were other possible world designs that would have allowed for both no suffering...or next to no suffering, *and* also muh growth, or whatever the fuck else the pseudo-philosophers like to claim necessitates extreme sufferingan omniscient and omnipotent creator would have known that, so you can only conclude that he's either retarded or malevolentalthough evidence suggests the latter
>>42232971Existing should and does only cost your attention. Every other form of payment is attention under the hood. Why should it? If it didn't we wouldn't be here.
>the world as it actually>"but, according to rule I made up, the world isn't allowed to be like this"
>>42232971humans are a genetic experiment, we weren't originally humans. So what is "Earth" (anagram heart; like the heart chakra where the soul resides) really?
I completely understand you. Life's too short to be a slave."The ultimate, hidden truth of the world is that it is something that we make, and could just as easily make differently."David Graeber
>>42232971>Simply existing should not cost you anythinginfantile position, pretty shallow
>>42232971I do not cost anything to exist nor cease to exist, not now not ever.The problem isn't existence, the problem is what I experience while existing. If I do not eat I will experience the pain of hunger..etc. That's the real headache.
>>42234423What's the discord for
>>42232971On the early internet people made shit out of pure love and passion, and it was glorious.Look at the internet now: hyper-monetization and algorithmic "optimization" has turned it into a botted wasteland filled with slop.Driven by profit year after year corporations give us less quality for more expense.Imagine a civilization driven by love of one's community and love of the world, the desire to make the world a better place.Such a world is possible, but not as long as greed is allowed to rule.>Are you saying that people would do things such as be garbagemen and sewage workers based on pure love of humanity?Yes.
>>42232971>why do I have to eat and drink and shit and cum nigga this is too hard I just want to be a formless blob existing in the void with no needs and desiresThat"s called depression Anon.
>>42232971Its so sad to me so many people don't get it. Tring to tell you that "well someone's got to do the work" failing to get that the work shouldn't be needed. Or even worse saying that the way you want to exist is somehow bad because they're convinced an existence without work must be lesser then the current. They just can't grasp a world comprised with only the good things with no work without trying to force it through the comparisons to this one.
>>42234629We can, but that's what fiction is for. You can daydream all you want but why are you demanding that our whole ass existance needs to radically change jusr because baby anon decided one day that it's too much work to shit and shower and have breakfast? If you want another reality you need to go to another reality. Not change this one on a whim. You faggot.
>>42234653>jusr because baby anon decided one day that it's too much work to shit and shower and have breakfast?This reveals that you also don't like it deep down. You do see it as a chore and not something you enjoy.Otherwise you wouldn't be saying "you have soft hands", you'd be saying "I don't understand why you don't enjoy being a slave".You're lying to yourself, and are a fool. Have fun "earning your right to exist" from some entity even more childish than you.You occupy the kiddie table of existence and nothing you think you're "earning" here means jack shit to the rest of reality, everything done here is a joke.>>42234629Glad there's at least a few who get it. The responses in this thread really just reaffirmed everything I said in the OP about this being a fundamental "line in the sand" and it's probably impossible to get anyone to cross it.When making the thread I half expected I was exaggerating, because I truly can't comprehend the other side (the other root).It's like this topic reveals 2 different types of souls. Those of this world and those who are not. Nothing we say will show the others what they're missing.
>>42235931Obviously I don't enjoy chores lol you act like that's some achievement to figure out. I'm just not a baby about it. Theres more to life than that. For all we know, what you describe is the default state of souls and we just come to this reality to experience materialism briefly. Why are you crying about it? You're on holiday. Might as well enjoy it.>can't relate to people to such an extent that he thinks they have a different type of soulgrim
>>42235957You're a mass of contradiction. Which is very characteristic of those who are of this world, although I can't comprehend it I've learned to recognize it.You clearly think it's some kind of badge of honor to swallow something you're given whether you want it or not. And you shame those who don't want to swallow it.That's the philosophy of a slave. And like I said in the OP, I can't reach you. So there's nothing more to say to you.
>>42235957just to add one more thing to what I wrote >>42235981, even if only to plant a seed:If you also don't enjoy it, then "crying about it" (as you put it) is actually truth. Why then do you look at truth as something negative? I would invite you to ponder that more deeply.Your worldview (which you were also fed by the world and by media) is essentially to shame the truth. Is there no truth in you? Do you not recognize it? These are rhetorical questions as I'm sure I already know your answer. There is no truth in souls of this world beyond the lies this world has fed you.
