In 1968, Charles Tart conducted an experiment on a young lady who claimed to have frequent out of body experiences while sleeping.To test if she was actually seeing the real world, he placed a random 5 digit number on the top of a high shelf out of site.After a few nights of her failing to get out of body, she wakes up one day and spouts the exact numbers.Her EEG showed unique brain activity on this night as well.This was a peer reviewed study and should be proof of astral projection. The only reason the scientific community doesn’t accept this is they say that the study hasn’t been replicated enough. She was monitored closely and there was no way for her to have known the number.Is this proof? Should this be replicated more?
Cool study, I guess I will read it and try it myself. It's not really proof tho. For example I have an iq of around 190 and can completely simulate other people in my head. They sometimes even notice that they are just a simulation and try to break out. It really depends on how those numbers were chosen. If they were chosen by another person I have met before, I could probably simulate that persons thoughts and would just know which numbers they chose. 5 digits is not easy for me tho, 3 digits would be far easier, but still hard.
>>42245936I believe he threw a coin onto a table of numbers to select them at random. Similarly to your point though, there were many people who thought that since he had the number in his head, she read that somehow as a psychic. Although that is quite different than just figuring it out.
>>42245871There will never be proof of OBE experiences as such because "proof" of things is a physicalist thing, as these things could not even happen inside that framework. You can make 100000 successful tests of remote viewing, astral projection, lucid dreaming, manifestation magick, psychic abilities and etc, and they won't be accepted because in order to be accepted it need to happen inside parameters that modern science establish (invents as they go along) which is just moving the goalpost forever. The reason of this is because the mere implications of this stuff not only existing but being useful reveals aspects about reality that threatens modern science institutions and current world hegemony. You can only ever prove these things to yourself, and frankly speaking, is just the same with ordinary, mundane things, because even believing that what institutions says is true is a matter of faith at first because otherwise we just simply confirm what we know so far. The only proof needed is the personal one, either in the form of knowledge that set a path to desired experiences, or some direct experience we have that becomes knowledge of the true nature of this stuff.
>>42245871Isn't that more remote viewing than AP? or is it that you can also RV while astral projecting?
>>42247111At the level of technology that humans actually currently have it may seem impossible, but eventually it will be possible to measure our own physical presence including our energetic field of consciousness. Within accurate measurement of consciousness a vast region of quantum fields actually affected by our existing presence will be discovered. Within these fields not just the effects of our own existence but the existence of other beings will be observed. Consciousness is attached to physics. Matter will be more correctly comprehended as a form of energy that extends beyond the linear context of the standing physical material phenomena. The reason I present this is because those beings who are already holding such technologies are using them to view us and our existence that extends far beyond what we perceive as our physical existence. It will not only be possible to prove that humans are engaging in interactions with the quantum fields directly by means of consciousness, it will be possible to deploy technologies that integrate between the obvious physical material and the quantum fields that are present connecting us to the universe in ways that are far different from our ordinary concept of physical material.
>>42247119What makes you think humans have provided you with labels and concepts that are accurate in descriptions of what actually exists?What exists is present to define itself if only you have the ability to perceive accurately. Accurate perception typically will show the realms beyond the perception of those who formulated the trite terminology. It was from their presumption that they already know correctly what does exist that they began building their false narrative. Some cultures are in the position of watching others less mature, knowing that the lessons cannot be given; only earned.
>>42247630>Consciousness is attached to physics.Not really. Is a metaphysical thing (it comes before physics). For example, everything these phenomenons possess (like precognition and PSI) basically overcome every physical "laws" there are, and those are not "quantificable" because is not a "thing" as such. Quantification is also a physicalist thing. Quantum stuff is mostly self tailored framework for science anyway (imaginary), that scientist elaborate in order to make sense of these phenomenons without straining themselves from the materialistic dualism in which they operate, but they will never reach it because when they do, science as is know currently will no longer take place.
astral projection isnt typically viewing earth though, it's viewing the afterlife. She did some kind of remote viewing
>>42247810Yes, really.There is more to perceive about this reality than you know.It's only a beginning to get fully conscious while out of body.. the real discovery is after that stage of development.Once out and fully conscious you have much to learn. Things are, and yet are not as they seem. You are the instrument of seeming.. you are the only limitation of what you are capable of perceiving. You have several stages of development ahead of you just to begin. Advanced knowledge comes from experience and observation. Typical of a new branch of discovery is the destruction of a previous boundary of limitation. Everything you think you now know is subject to potentially be the source of such a disruption.The beings from the stars are actively attending to humanity here on earth and looking directly at the quantum fields of our existence far beyond what we are seeing in our own existence.If you have no conscious awareness of this fact then you are not even perceiving your own experience beyond the narrow band of your conscious mind. You have depths that defy easy explanation.. and require years of focused attention to be developed into a clear and certain knowledge.The academic world as it currently exists will not be joining you on this path of discovery.. but if you go far enough down the path you will see that many others have gone before you. Some from among them have been harboring the knowledge for literally millennium. There is a sharp divide between the actual intelligence community and the pretensive intelligentsia of the academic establishment.Even within the partitions of the intelligence community a division exists between those who have the ability to see what exists before them and those who have their reality dictated to them. Some people are only capable of following.. their lives are the result of their limited ability to evaluate what they are following.Cognitive perception is not imagination.
>>42247810The fact is that there are energetic fields that will be measurable. Information present within these fields will be found to exist in the same manner in which our physical material does. Just as you can use microwave energy to heat a region of space these fields and energies exist.The type of things that humans can just barely achieve using the research facilities of CERN are done casually in devices that are using these properties to remain out of view.They are even using such platforms to eavesdrop on the consciousness of all beings that engage in thought. You not being able to perceive this for yourself doesn't mean that no one else is able to.. it just means that you are not able to evaluate the person who can.
>>42245871I always figured that if I ever was able to astral project this would be onw of the first things I'd try. But I've also heard from people that claim they astral project that this isn't possible and you can't getvthe right numbers.It's interesting that there's a study of this being successful in a lab setting for sure.I've suspected that astar projection is actually just lucid dreaming and your brain just recreating the world. But it's possible for both to be true. The people who can't see numbers or go places they've never been, are just luic dreaming. But the people like the subject of this experiment, are able to actually projection.
