Does ayahuasca or DMT or something else actually open your mind or help you to see new realities?or is it all just basic brain chemicals?
>dude bro its all one or somethingYou can only attain reddit enlightenment from them.
>>42247055Supposedly DMT users have shared experiences not just seeing random shit.
>>42247055this is like asking if a hunting rifle can make your dinnerIt's like, not exactly, but, yeah, kind of? if you get what I'm trying to say here. It's not like, going to cook and prepare the meal, but it gets you the meat.
sure why not"enlightenment" is just a buzzword anyway that means whatever anyone wants it to
>>42247092so what are the next steps after using the drug?
>>42247095I mean as in a radical change in perception on reality/life
>>42247055yes you can, I actually am pretty good at interfacing myself with DMT, they know waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than you, love it when you are able to speak with them, when you "get" the message.I became a machine elf yesterday, danced with them, they were really into me once they realised that I was capable of speaking their language, it's one of those experiences that unless you go and do it yourself, are open to it, or understand the true capacity of consciousness, you just won;t get it unfortunately.Is it all brain chemicals?NO, it's a very contorted question, is the light that enters your eyes chemicals?Is what you see a chemical reaction or a reality that is being seen?Does the modality of how you see things interfere AT ALL with the meaning?Why are modern humans so obsessed and fixated with breaking down the experience into some type of catalogable thing when it is pretty much just qualia of the same object, and which you are part of.
>>42247055Entheogens can show you worlds and entities that are neither more nor less real than this one. They cannot "enlighten" you in the sense of gnosis
>>42247065What is 4chan enlightenment
>>42247306The opposite way of course.>dude it's only you
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>>42247312So, the same thing?
>>42247318Solipsism is not the same non duality you gay faggot.>but muh technicality shut up
>>42247326Is the same the conclusion, as both recognize the underlying presence behind the experience as the only thing that's true, being whatever is happening inside of it only relatively true and temporary, coming from that singular presence altogether. Any form of oneness, either Solipsism or Nonduality, reduce reality to one singular experience.
>>42247338Put it this way.Non duality is the hippy bus.Solipsism is the school shooter.You are not producing the same product, gay ass.
>>42247105you can get that from things like reading a book or having sex, but it's not quite "enlightenment"just a dumb buzzword at the end of the day
>>42247348Not really, that's just windows dressing. Just for example, the Bhagavad Gita has non duality as core theme and the entire treatise was to give Arjuna the courage to slaughter his former friends in the battlefield and come up on top. People are just more open to Non Duality than Solipsism because they have a caricature of those in mind because they are content with just talking about it rather than actually living it, and in practice, both of them are indistinguishable. Recognizing yourself either as the center of it or everything around you as an extension of you in the greater whole, produces the same result, just like any kind of "method" can produce the same kind of metaphysical experience (inducing psyquedelic trips either trough dream-yoga style practices or bruteforcing it with drugs for example). Subjective Idealism also leads to Non Duality just for the mere fact that i can imagine an experience of a world responsive to my mind as an extension of it, which conducts me also to that same conclusion. What you're saying is how you FEEL about them, but in practice, there's no distinction because they encapsulate the same fundamental fact.
Drinking just the right amount while on your own and free from distractions can give you some pretty valuable insight into the nature of time (it isn't real), but you have to be careful because that's right before blackout territory.
>>42247387>Bhagavad Gita has non duality as core theme and the entire treatise was to give Arjunahello saar
>>42247387Everything outside the solipsistic doesn't exist. You neither exist, nor matter to the lame ass pathological narcissist who hides being his angst teen tier philosophy.While your points are good I doubt you'd get-There he answered kek. Arguing with them is utterly pointless.
>>42247400Just because i read the bible once that doesn't make me an Hebrew, but feel free to ignore me if you will, it's still true. None of that shit matters in the end anyway if you think any form of Oneness is some speculative myth or counter culture political instance rather than something you can actually live from to shape your own experience accordingly. However, after giving it some though, even if both Nonduality and Solipsism are fundamentally the same, i would also feel inclined to Solipsism directly just because is less susceptible to be misinterpreted. They both will still be subjected to materalist retardation>If muh solipsisim is true then why are muh speaking or doing anything at all, give me muh address>If muh nonduality is true at all then why are you muh doing anything instead of just sitting on a tree and letting a pack of niggers rape you in the ass >>42247421>Everything outside the solipsistic doesn't exist. You neither exist, nor matter to the lame ass pathological narcissist who hides being his angst teen tier philosophy.What i'm trying to say is that nonduality is the same shit. Because for something to "exist", for "existence-ness" to be something, there has to be a "non-existence" state, which means that everything exist, but is all illusory (which means that nothing does, but things can arise within awareness as required, no difference between the two). That would also lead to make an inquiry about what "existence" means in the first place (if is about something being experiential in some capacity, it means that what inside an OBE and imagination-conceptual-thought exist just as much as our present waking life and ongoing experience at this moment. If what exist is something perceptual, the same. And so on). Is all fingers pointing at the same moon in the end. >Arguing with them is utterly pointless.And yet, i can't help it. Is fascinating to see, and amusing as well.
>>42247055i did 4 lines of coke once and i started crying and sobbing because i though the holy spirit was piercing my soul
>>42247448You're a very confused indian. You can't tell apart your head from your ass.
>>42247503Yeah, sure, you won't tell me why that's the case, so let just leave it at that. Le hecking badass 4channer strikes again!!!!
>>42247518>did you know white and black are different colors>"ACKTHUALLY THEY ARE THE SAME!!!! HINDU GODS!!!!!"Very good, indian culture is so enriching
>>42247542Nothing you said have any resemblance of what i was talking about, and i'm not indian, you're just retarded on purpouse.>"waaah my hecking fellow anons didn't validate my delusions on ecs paranormal :(( im gonna sperg out, mommy ouchy"
>>42247055Each drug has various rituals for various purposes. Some are easy to figure out, and others are not. Without the ritual you get a random result.
It depends on if you are a retarded faggot to begin with or not.
you can use a nuclear bomb to mine ore, sure, but your gonna eradicate and destroy more ore and earth than you will get from mining it traditionally, plus your likely gonna have to deal with an irradiated hellscape that is toxic and lethal to anyone who enters to get the resources.
>>42247101Skinning the carcass and then having sexual relations with the anus like a normal person.
Just want to say there's a lot of good posts itt. Carry on.
>>42247421>Arguing with them is utterly pointless.Average 4chan discourse. Just don't take it too seriously. Don't feel obliged to respond to every single thing, or have the final word, is not really necessary.
>>42247055I've done ALOT of psychdelics and came out relatively unscathed minus HPPD, and like a year of schizo behaviors; Its brain chemicals. DMT absolutely fries your brain till it sees gibberish. It's like turning the cognitive aperture to max. All the stuff you see people discussing about entities and shared experiences is nothing more than white noise compounded through confirmation bias and information cascading. With low doses of DMT or moderate doses of acid or mushrooms, you can get very powerful self reflection or vivid esoteric (in the original meaning) insights. The problem is, like someone else mentioned, psychedelics are a rifle. It's a tool, and the majority of people dont use it to its best of its abilities. The majority of the time, you'll get either people who take very low doses and abuse them for parties. Or, you'll get the flip side of it, which are people who take large doses and misinterpret the emotional and visual effects as reality. And take them too literally. Similar to the kinds of people who interpret dreams as a kind of mirrored reality.The most dangerous kind of people, though, are the ones who develop either a psychedelic personality or, worse; a psychdelic ego. These people view themselves as superior and psychedelics being necessary to achieve peace or "Enlightenment." theres a couple of these guys in any psychedelic thread, and there's some here too. At the end of the day, it's a very intense and powerful experience that isn't for everyone. If you have any major issues in life right now, I'd stay away. But it's on par, if not better than climbing a mountain or skydiving. Very transformative and developmental.
>>42247648based
>>42247448I believe you need to see non-dualism as a paradox. For it to be talked about it needs to be indeed framed within an illusory dualistic frame. But to be experienced it needs to be contemplated in the present, outside of the thought processes that are the past and future. The defined and the expected. It is everchanging, impermanent and solly sensible.Solipsism on the other hand is not only talked about within that illusory dualistic frame, it is also experienced in it, as I understand it. Me who exists and them who don't.>And yet, i can't help itYeah me too, I hope maybe some lurkers get to see their retardation and go as far as possible.>>42247846And I just end up looking just as retarded.
>>42247896I share belief in every word said by this anon. I'd add that marijuana can also give powerful self reflexions but the plant is poison being much more harmful than shrooms for the same result. I'll also stress that it isn't for everyone, at least not always. It requires a good state of mind, it is not a refuge. Many lose their minds in the process or get lost in the noise and their confirmation biases. It's a high risk that is often not worth taking.
mercury.
>>42247896Based and wise.
>>42247896Yeah right, kid. You'll see the truth when you're ready.
>>42247896>The most dangerous kind of people, though, are the ones who develop either a psychedelic personality or, worse; a psychdelic ego.does this man seem dangerous too you?
>>42247306>What is 4chan enlightenmentThe Jews did literally everything.
>>42247846>Actual enlightened behavior
>>42248113Wasn't he the dude who died from a self inflicted shotgun wound to the nogging? He was dangerous to himself, deadly actually.
>>42248113Hunter didnt have psychedelic ego, he was borderline schizo but thats about it. When i say psychedelic ego i mean these people >>42248091
>>42247896The arrogance, exactly what type of self reflection made you so sure about what you are saying?Without the chemical oxygen you go unconscious in about 12 seconds, isn't life a trip oh wise anon?and is showing appreciation towards something the same as building a personality around it?Why did you build your personality around being above showing interest and instead became just mildly infuriated when challenged with the fact that you are unable to make a sense of what you've been through and so instead just threw it all out the window lol.You do know that the more you understand the more you can understand?and you come here softly-telling people that you misunderstood the meaning of your life, exchanging your experiences for a ghostly throne of superiority within a mental system that has been engrossed into you?Not saying that chemicals don't exist mind you, or that DMT or whatever else doesn't interact with the brain, just saying, you are too full of yourself and don't see the implications of experience itself, you are looking at the map you created for yourself and mistaking it for the world kid.
>>42247055from my own experiences with lsd i am not enlighten whatever way you may think of the word as. that is probably due to my own limitations as a person or maybe its just how things are in overall, i dont know. lsd often made me think of things for the first time, like i got the thought from a lsd trip that time exists both universally as well as inside each persons own head by being observed through a living beings conscious. That from time's own perspective there is nothing waiting for it and that everything already has happened, everything already has happened all at once. If you are alive you simply observe through your own head pieces of the universal time, but its just you experiencing it, the universal time meanwhile is that everything already has happened at the same time. that everything is in fact pre-determinated, we just observe pieces of it through our conscious. And yet there is eventually a point where the sun stops rising and where time ends, everything already has happened but yet there is an end to it all. Another time from another lsd trip was thinking about birth right and if its choice made by god. For the longest time were people given their jobs because their parents had the same job as well. Not just the thought of kings having a god given birth right to their throne but that every human living inside a societal structure has an obligation to their role in society given to them by god. and that us in modern days abandoning birth rights is why satanism is sneaking up into so many places of society like government, military, big business, secret socieities. Its perhaps because people left the positions that they were assigned by god to full fill in society and instead ran away from their posts to do other things. This abandonment of posts is what allowed demons to sneak into society and different positions therein.does that mean i am enlighten? no but it gives me new thoughts i would not have otherwise and i am happy with that.
>>42249272Arrogance is exactly what I was talking about, and your reply proves the point better than I could.I've reflected plenty on those trips. Like i said, psychedelics are a powerful and transformative experience.What i said was you have to integrate what was useful (genuine insight) and ignore the noises (entities, other realms, etc.) Again, psychedelics are powerful, but that doesn't make hypoxia "enlightenment" or proof of alternate dimensions.Your current state is just chemicals controlling your cognition and consciousness level, and cranking it to max fries the signal into pattern-matching white noise that your brain desperately tries to narrate into meaning. These spiritual experiences are just confirmation bias + culture + suggestion, same as dream interpretation. "I see what you normies can't" is that psychedelic ego i was talking about, its fragile, gatekeepy, and usually masking unresolved shit. You'd think an enlightened person could get their point across without jerking themselves off. But i guess not, huh?You should be trying to understand your experience and framing it against reality instead of fixating on "the implications of experience itself." I dont ignore or dismiss my experiences, I sorted the wheat (life lessons, personal development) from the chaff (literal belief in machine elves, hyperspace is an objective truth). That's not a ghostly throne. It's knowing what's real or not. As a kid, did you think a talking sponge literally lives in a pineapple under the sea? Or did you just accept the life lessons the talking sponge gave? If challenging that feels like an attack on your life’s meaning, maybe ask why you are focusing on the experience instead of what the experience taught you. don't mistake the rifle for the hunt itself. Pretending otherwise is where the real arrogance hides.
Richard Baker Roshi, up in Crestone, Colorado, told me once that there are many "levels" of enlightenment. So lets say that the first level is realizing you are not your body. THen, the second realizing you are not your mind... You keep going up, and up, and up... And then you can get "down".
>>42247055this is coming from a shroomhead:no drug can 'enlighten' you. They can be used as tools to help with mental and spiritual growth, but that's all they are, tools. The actual change/effort has to come from your own mind, some drugs just help in specific ways. Your mind does all the work.
