can someone who is possessed by demons know they are possessed? like a crazy person who knows they are crazy.can someone who is possessed by demons remove the demons that possess them?is there anyone in the whole world, on earth, and extraterrestrial who is not possessed by some demon?what are the most powerful demons?what are the most powerful demons possessing humans?can someone possess another person? does possessing another person turn you into a demon?can a demon be possessed, by a demon or a person?also, how to get rid of demons?is there a way to get rid of all demons at once?what are the most powerful ways to get rid of each kind of demon? assuming there are kinds of demons>reality mechanics are coming along nicely, if anyone is interested
>>42263084>can someone who is possessed by demons remove the demons that possess them? The question assumes that possession is some sort of ongoing status. It's like asking can you stop someone from mailing you a letter. >can someone who is possessed by demons know they are possessed?For instance, I suspect I chose the letter analogy as a result of possession in order to express something ulterior to someone, but outside of someone confirming that statement meant something else to them I can't know that's the case.>can someone possess another person?It just feels like we're playing with variations on the definition of possess rather than discussing a single thing.>does possessing another person turn you into a demon?demon describes some kind of deceitful, malicious entity, so I imagine being consistently deceitful and malicious is the most relevant factor in turning into a demon.
>>42263084Why do you want to know? These are all words, fortify yourself and help those around you.
>>42264129Since it's in the spirit of the thread:>Why do you want to know?was a candidate response I mentally generated and discarded before posting >>42264080I wouldn't expect anyone to accept that as concrete proof of mental invasion even if they accept I'm honestly reporting my experience, but it helps to elaborate the features of a world where possession works in the way I'm saying it does.
>>42263084Demons and everything really is spirit. In the Bible for example Jesus calls greed Mammon. That's because when a person obsesses on greed they turn into it it takes them over. As they say in buddhism etc.. you become what you think (the brain does rewire itself). So if a person focus on love they become very loving likewise and like an angel. But greed will turn you into a monster. Ultimately all evil spirits are subservient and born of one ultimate evil spirit we call ignorance. Likewise there is an ultimate good spirit as well that people typically equate with God or a higher power. It can be thought of or equated as the spirit of truth and this is also why demons are liars while angelic people are honest
>>42264080okay. i should have started with what is a demon. and what does it mean to be possessed.a demon is an entity influencing an other entity.to be possess is to be under the influence of some demonthose where my ideas about those concepts. et tu
>>42264268>still possessed. good or badis a person the spirit(s) which possesses them?
>>42264080the mailer is the demon. the letter and what it leads to is the possession. to use your analogy>deceitful, maliciousyour wordshelp me understand what you are trying to say, feels like there is some sense im not getting from it
>>42264129what are you even talking abouthow are you convincing anyone to do that with those words
>>42264556I don't get it... I'm just saying, answers to the questions you asked are not where you will find strength.Do you never get angry or envious or greedy or mean? You can glimpse into answers to your questions like this, i'd say.You cand also look on youtube for interviews of Christian Orthodox monks.
>>42264446>>42264513>a demon is an entity influencing an other entityThat seems like a rather permissive definition; everything is subject to the influence of every other thing allowing for degrees of separation.>>42264513>help me understand what you [were] trying to sayIn regards to the letter analogy, it was primarily to demonstrate that possession is a discrete event that occurs at intervals rather than something continuous. Secondarily it was selected on the basis that it's another circumstance where people are communicating. Other meanings that are present aren't ones I intended at the time of writing, nor do I necessarily endorse them, but that's the area of communication where possession can be detected. Especially when someone IS trying to communicate more than one meaning with something they're saying, the message is a perfect cover for entities trying to express their own meanings while avoiding detection.
>>42264620okay. but you cant just tell me to accept those things. i must know why those things happen. and if i cant know why, i must know why i cant know. thank you for your gesturing, im not sure what you are pointing to but i will check it out when i feel like it
>>42264659how do you measure a difference between two things. is there an objective way to differentiate things.what is the difference between what a thing is and its influences
>>42263084Just fought my first demon, while intoxicated I managed to trap it praying on me in my vulnerable state. I took a picture of myself channeling the demon and stared it down in darkness. Look them in the eye, they shrivel down as you banish them. You can truly be reborn.
>>42264662>why those things happenPossessions? My best guess is it's a convenient way for entities/demons/spirits/etx. to express themselves given whatever constraints they're under. I don't think I was pointing at anything, just relating my understanding of reality based on my own experiences.
>>42264737>what is the difference between what a thing is and its influences I think that comes down to unity of function or purpose. It reminds me of an old Vsauce video where he's talking about what constitutes a chair; it's hard to pinpoint the exact moment a chair becomes not-a-chair when you add or subtract from it. Imo, what ultimately defines a chair is its sitability, and each of its component parts cooperate towards that common function even though you can identify them individually. So in the context of this discussion, what is the difference between me and a possessor that influences me? And what I come back to is that there's a dissonance in meaning between what I try to say versus the meaning a possessor tries to convey through the language I use. They're at cross-purpose, which distinguishes them from me.
Possession doesn't really exist. Demons do. However, one can walk along side and communicate demons long enough to become like them. This is is what people mistake as possession. Those you travel along and commune with slowly shift your soul. Effectively, you become as a demon.Exorcisms do not work either. The exorcised subject simply masks as a survival strategy. Eventually, they may shed these tendencies as to become less demonic in nature, but it never truly leaves.Finally, I do not believe everyone can become possessed. We all have different base layers to our souls. Some harmonize better than others, and the discordant tend to become seen as demonic.Those with individual souls are the "possessed". Those who are part of a collective soul (hylics, NPCs, etc), cannot become this way. Some individually souled people harmonize better with the collective soul members better.
In historical Christianity, usually demonic oppression happens before possession and both tend to happen with some form of consent by the person. Oppression can have other causes before hand, though. Link is to a catholic account but the same idea for the most part in Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mHDKux38tQBuddhism does not have a direct equivalent to demonic possession understood as an evil being invading a soul, since it denies a permanent self and independent evil entities. Instead, it recognizes cases where people are disturbed or influenced by spirits or non-human beings, but these are explained as causal interactions within dependent origination rather than possession in a metaphysical sense. Psychological afflictions (kleśas) such as craving, anger, and ignorance take control of the mind and create the effects often like a rubberband, as does mediating without practicing morality or right view including having an actual teacher in a lineage. Here is a video talking about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTuI9iokZsI
>>42263084I'm pretty sure that I'm possessed and have been for a good number of years. Probably since at least 2016. It started benevolent enough but now it's like a raging fire that is killing me very fast. The best I can describe it is like opening Pandora's Box. You can't put back inside what you unleashed. I'm considering trying to starve my physical body to death in hopes of saving what's left of my soul. This thing feeds on your emotions and prefers negativity over positivity for obvious reasons. So it will induce constant suffering in the host and feed off of its reactions. It's basically cancer desu
>>42263084>can someone who is possessed by demons know they are possessed?That realization often comes before actual possession. Possession is the end result of what is usually a very long multi-stage process that involves a minor malicious spirit slowly wearing down, invading, and feeding on the host.>can someone who is possessed by demons remove the demons that possess them?Supposedly possible. Some effects can be reversed by noting their development, associated behavioral patterns and shifts in perception, which are then studied and counteracted. It's an individual process. Things that strengthen the body and calm the mind are generally good. Deep meditative states may leave the host vulnerable to further intrusion, but some meditation will help with understanding and counteracting the process.>is there anyone in the whole world, on earth, and extraterrestrial who is not possessed by some demon?Actual possession is rare. Many people carry some sort of attachment, which is up to the person to deal with. It's similar to a virus or an infection, few get deeply affected. Even long-term attachments don't necessarily transition into a possession, but may become a symbiotic relationship in which the host indulges in certain actions and emotions which feed the spirit, which in turn provokes the host into further action and emotion. As long as the host is compliant this will go on.
>>42263084Gnosticism is real, so posession obviously doesnt exist, as Lucifer is the liberator. /X/ told me
>>42263084Yes and probably wont care. The thing about meeting demons is they never appear as anything you would reject or question too much.Drip feed approach is the most common. Little by little until you look back and probably wont recognize who you were.
>>42264761why as in why is it possible at all for such to occur
>>42264446Notice how the demons immediately tried to get you caught up in semantic word-games so they could derail your discussion, and you innocently took the bait.
>>42267897you make it sound like these symbols we are using dont mean anything. but how would you communicate anything without some kind of abstraction layer.
>>42264756you said nothing
>>42265590yours sounds like a philosophy that makes it impossible to know anythingyou attribute qualities to hidden parts which it seems are unknowable by an outside observer.this seems useful to understand yourself but its useless as a way of living
>>42266714if anything its demons which dont really exist. possession is all there is and depending on what has possessed you, it can be demonic or angelic or whatever>Those with individual souls are the "possessed". Those who are part of a collective soul (hylics, NPCs, etc), cannot become this waysounds like you are conflating non-conformity and individuality
>>42267191thankswhy you calling it oppression. sounds (())
>>42267307just befriend the thing desustart feeding off it.
>>42267316i dont know what you mean by host. how does a host understand whats part of them and whats not. if it was obvious possession would not be an issue. (possession in the way ive used it is the the long multi-stage process and the actual possession. if there is a name for this process do share otherwise i will use possession to include this process and the end result you speak of)
>>42267319whats gnosticism. whys it spelled like that
>>42268105Gnosticism is when demons are good and Jesus evil, you see, we have never seen posessed people, rather, we see demons materialyzing and rescuing kitties.
>>42268037I'm not. I could also be wrong about possession entirely and am mistaking possession by angels as what I experience as NPCs. I've watched so called friends suddenly turn on me and accuse me of things I personally find horrifying and openly rebuke because talking heads told them it was true about people like me. Christians are the worst about it. Maybe they're possessed by angels.I always did experience angelic entities as cruel, mocking, judgemental.I, on the other hand, have been accused of being possessed a lot over the years. As my brother put it, I will go from the sweetest and loving person to one of the most schizophrenic, hateful, cruel, and aggressive women he has ever know at a drop of a hat.I can't pretend to know who is and is not individually souled VS who isn't upon meeting them. It takes time.This being said, I have yet to meet someone who is actually possessed. Worshiping and unwittingly following a demon down a dark path that they themselves are unaware of where it leads, not even knowing they are following a qlipothic entity, sure. But possessed? No, never.No, this isn't a larp, despite the avatarfagging.
>>42268156i wish we could avoid taking sides this thread
>>42268228>unwittingly i dont think you will ever be able to know. just understand that everyone is pretending always.i may not or may not be a npc. but will always know when im pretending to be a npc.do you actually think you are not fallen yourself?imo every self-conscious being is
>>42269894If being fallen means being me, I am fine with that.
>>42266714Finally something believable.
I've been demonically possessed to sin before
>>42270140>being fallenthere is no other state. just because you are aware of it does not make you any different from anything else. larp all you want, your consciousness is just another variable in the equationalso, it doesnt have to mean anything. i think thats how ((they)) get you>they the demons
>>42270358>beforehow did you become unpossessed
>>42270459I like the demons. I am not particularly worried. Agent of Michael, please leave.
>>42268024>but its useless as a way of livingWell, it helps me to accept that sometimes the vicious things people imply, or the impossible knowledge of the private details of my life they seem to have, aren't necessarily coming from them. So it's quite practical as a way of living in those cases.>hidden parts which it seems are unknowable by an outside observerI don't think they're unknowable, but perceiving the hidden with senses that weren't explicitly adapted to perceive those aspects of reality is a slow and error-prone process that requires a willingness to question your basic assumptions every time there's an inconsistency.
>>42263084Yes, they almost always do. It’s not 24/7 living like the girl in the Exorcist 1974.
>>42263084>>reality mechanics are coming along nicely, if anyone is interestedWhat do you mean by this???
>>42272366i dont know what you are talking aboutthat wasnt in my post
>>42270507>not worried>asking me to leavethats funny
>>42263084virus, is possession/
>>42272592Worried, no, annoyed by zionist cucks, yes.
>>42268228are you trans?
>>42268099Host means person hosting the spirit, the carrier of the attachment. I call it 'attachment', 'parasitation', 'infestation', or 'looshing' because most malicious spirits are looshers or parasites, and because possession implies a loss of control or agency that is not present in most looshing cases, as one can resist parasite influence even as attachment transitions into possession. I will use the word 'oppression' to indicate periods when the spirit actively attempts to beat the person into submission to wear down their defenses. This may involve more than a single person, for example parasited people in close relation may be driven to attack eachother. Stronger spirits may spread looshing activities outside the host, feeding off the people the host interacts with regardless of emotional states, but that ability is likely dependent on the closeness of interaction.>how does a host understand whats part of them and whats notSpirit influence is spotted subconsciously, but it can be conceptualized, especially when the spirit is active, like during oppression. Then it can be either named directly or formulated as some sort of psychological mechanism. The host would show reluctance owning up to certain actions and feelings and would point them out as something foreign, even if they admit responsibility. Otherwise it's dealt with by noticing aberrations in thought and behavior and correcting them without ever considering spirit influence. The host would only know that something is wrong, not the cause.>if it was obvious possession would not be an issueIt's an overblown issue. Like a virus, it's mostly transient and only becomes a problem when one's immune system is compromised. Sometimes it may accompany a magical transformation, like any strong illness, and sometimes it indicates a sickness of the society, or even of the world beyond humanity. Human activity disrupting nature plays into it.
>>42273432No.
>>42273474Are you from south america?OP is a demon btw
>>42273510No, southern appalachia. There is a reason I call him an agent of Michael.
There are lots of misconceptions regarding human demon relationships.You are not possessed by a demon, your souls fuse and you become stronger as a result.
>>42273670>Get out demon
>>42273692I'm not a demon yet, but I can keep a demonic form for a while if a fight needs to happen.Sadly I was born a human and I have a long road ahead of me before I can ascend to demonhood.
>>42273670This is correct. Possession can never happen without the host's consent. It's not any more insidious. If the demon is better than you at certain tasks why not let them take over and do it?
>>42273746This is how I look at it.A demon is like a personal coach and trains you to help you achieve your goals.In this case to change the structure of your soul and make it demonic, powerful and immortal instead of keeping your pitiful human soul that will waste away.
>>42263084Deamons can break your train of thought, preventing you from coming to certain conclusions. You likely will not know you are possessed unless the spirit who possessed you wants you to know or messed up breaking your train of thought.
>>42264659>possession is a discrete event that occurs at intervals rather than something continuousI disagree with this statement. In fact I believe most people familiar with possession will disagree with this statement. It can be for a discreet moment and it also can be an ongoing thing, both are possible and both happen
