just debate with me, no need to accept.i believe true islam. true islam as in, theres a new god, and a hidden teaching within the teaching of the twelve imams and those were not jihadis as we can see from history they never fought any offensive wars. so, it is clearly something entirely different from true sunni islam which is a religion that was invented by the later scholars and caliphs. my view of islam is tolerant and new, a god thats not known or worshipped in other sects let alone religions..something like orthodox root of orthodox islam shia, with the true god who isnt bound by a tribe people or book like he should be. thoughts? i need insight in this issue i think the hadiths and literature was fabricated and the true teaching of the imams was pagan like ancient greeks. this god isnt a muslim. the imams seem to have accepted any religion as true if its practiced correctly but theirs, this im proposing here, was true-r so. i follow it. id recommend anyone else to follow it no need to convert to islam but believe in the true god who isnt bound to any tribe book or people. also this is all just my opinion i dont want to impose this as i am extremely tolerant like alawite anon even moreso.
>>42267284I don't know much about Islam but the cube stuff is weird.>Black cube occult symbol associated with Saturn >Muslims face it and pray toward it 5 times a day>Must make pilgrimage and circle cube 5 times counter clockwise>Saturn has 5 rings that orbit counter clockwise
>>42267284If you strip sufism from islam you understand whats going on with Islam. Sufism did a lot of blasfemy againt the islamic dogma. Saying there is nothing but allah is actually denying the existence of hell. Sufis also studied the both ancient greek and ancient egyptian spirituality and hermeticism. Metaphysicial realms are very clearly mapped by sufies. They describe their experiences like a place. They describe inner planes like this planes.
>>42267381i pray towards the cube too. its very ancient wisdom and knowlesge that you can get from the divine energies residing there so. only religiotards like me understand this youre clearly irreligious or so it seems.
>>42267430bro this is all sunni. i dont care.
>>42267284I can't even be sure if Muhammad was ever real or if he was developed in literature as they went along. I have the same thoughts about Jesus and the Jewish patriarchs. There's a bunch of videos made by apparently Christian apologists/missionaries about the historicity of Muhammad and whether Mecca was some other place than the city we know today. Some of it's interesting stuff eg the qiblah in early mosques pointed toward Petra, hadiths mentioning Meccas as having grass, etc. but I keep in mind they have a bias of their own. I was reminded of the so called Satanic verses though when I read your theorizing that the imams being pagan or pagan-friendly.
>>42267456Yeah but do you know what it actually is that you're praying too? All the elites are also obsessed with this occult cube and they seem to be really into child sacrifice and rape.The abrhamic good just really seems like a demon to me. Like the Jews make a blood pact by cutting the skin off their dicks and sacrificing their first born sons Egypt. (Somehow they are able to pay 5 shekels to avoid this) And in exchange for killing all the first born sons of egypt. And gives them the promised land of Israel, as long as they kill everyone there first.And I know, Muslims tend to haye Jews. But they do worship their god.
>>42267457Sunni islam dualist. Sufism is non-dualist. Sufism is really like Advaita Vedanta
>>42267513There's a view among scholars that Yahweh has proto-Arabic origins. If true, it would be extremely funny considering how these two semitic groups are often at each other's throats.
>>42267513youre irreligious no one can understand religion if they dont believe in it. you were raised and born into a sick society full of degeneracy and profanity.
>>42267539Full circle hate-jerking
>>42267531everyone whos a muslim knows sufis are regular sunnis. cmon bro. they joined isis in syria back then.
>>42267554Umm... Shia sufis do exist. And I don't know about this blanket statement about sufis joing Daesh.
>>42267560It's a complex love-hate relationship. But it's not like every twirling dervish or poetry-reciting sufi went to join ISIS.
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>>42267560i know abour shia sufis but the ayatollah and so on they hate sufis. its practically illegal in iran if they had their way
>>42267554I am stating the metaphysical differences. Only wisdom in islam comes from sufies. Shia and sunni islam couldnt deliver wisdom to humanity. Its just a belief based religion. Far inferior to direct experience of god.
>>42267547Just because I don't bow to a demon dose'nt mean im irreligious. And I definitely agree with you avout the sick society, but most of that sickness is the direct actions of a group of elites that claim to be the chosen people of this demon.
>>42267596Yeah, and Salafists (which ISIS predominantly is) also technically think Sufis are heretics and polytheists. But when there's conflict in a particular area, they're not above joining forces even if only for a short period.
>>42267603did you contemplate my theory that true shia is what the pagans and hindus practice just without the idolatry?
>>42267623no. sufis are practically isis. do you want to tell me this, while you have never even visited a fucking muslim country huh?
>>42267632Also kinda like praying to saints in Catholicism the way they seek shafa'ah through imams.
>>42267636I was born Sunni Muslim, idiot. The sufis I've encountered while traveling through Muslim countries, whether Sunni or Shia, were more like peace-loving hippies. Your viewpoint is highly biased. You're the one who needs to travel more and talk to more people.
>>42267642fuck you faggot and shut the fuck up i dont care. i dont follow shia islam i follow paganism. you seem like a fucking christcuck or whatever.
This guy has no control over his own emotions. Whatever god or gods he professes to worship clearly have yet to perfect his manners. I'm out.
>>42267632I dont want to talk about shia. What is your metaphysics? I wonder what do you know that your opinion matters to me? What do you see beyond physics? What is in the metapyhiscal realms? Enlighten me with your wisdom.
>>42267656of course but this is only the sufis of normal society not the sufis that exist in places like saudi arabia ans congregate in secret circles on the street and so on.
>>42267678i cant talk from any other perspective than paganism that i practice. god is transcending race and caste. he is ever beyond the senses.
>>42267689Do you see duality beyong physics? Is there hell and heaven? What is the essence of human beings? Do you see a soul?
>>422676941 yes. there is god and evil humans and shaytan have created. 2 hell yes. heaven not quite as explained by the world religions. its more like unknown and cant be reasoned or explained unless you are an imam or a disciple of him direct line for his true teaching of god. 3 the essence.. hmm. i guess the ruach or spirit that gives life to humans breathed through the breath of god. 4 yes. the soul is very powerful, it manifests as our psyche in islam.
>>42267681Saudi Arabia also prohibits and suppresses Sufism. Wahabis view it as shirik. And how does anyone congregate *in secret* *on the street*? But at least you're walking back your earlier blanket statement that "sufis are practically isis".
>>42267716there are such videos and the society knows about them no further comment because this thread isnt about sufism or sunni or wahabism you please dont hijack my thread with this stuff.
>>42267713I look at the metaphysical realm and I dont see what you see. As William Blake said like sufies "All I see is god". I dont see the dark part beyond mind. I think the black side you are seeing is belonging to your mind. You are kind of unable to see beyond your mind and imagine that the darkness you are seeing is belonging to metaphysical realms.
>>42267733A proper discussion on your theory that "true Islam is pagan" necessarily includes topics relevant to Islam. And you have very idiosyncratic views that are stupid.
>>42267738this is all the words of people before me such as curan and imams or saiva stuff. where js this view you just said based on. eternal traditions or your idiosyncraticy>>42267745you call them idiosyncratic. its just paganism without the idolatry. not that idiosyncratic and some syncretism so to speak but not much new explain how its idiosyncratic. i stopped talking but we can resume on my own topic if you wish to reform my view. if you have shia insight what the imams really taught then speak.
>>42267763>this is all the words of people before me such as curan and imams or saiva stuff.belief is for stupid people.
>>42267763>sufis are practically isisThat's what I'm talking about. And every time I fact checked you, you just dance around it like a child. But if you want to compare and contrast Islam and a religion like Hinduism:- wudhu vs snana- 5 times a day salah vs daily puja in the mornings maybe- tawaf vs pradakshina- tasbih vs jap mala- sawm vs upavasaOther than that, what else? Do Muslims pray to Ganesha first before praying to Allah? Do they pray to any other gods or just the one?
>>42267773ok. belief opens up anything that cant be witnessed through sight. if you are that, then you are blind in one of the two ways.>>42267782i uh. assume you are talking about my personal idiosyncratic as you called it islam right. no i dont pray to ganesha only to allah but i use the name god also those two names. no only to god. but i said before god isnt in the caaba or hovers on the caba or chose arabs. hes the god of all beings not just humans or arabs. are you personally any thoughts on this arabs are chosen people in islam and how i criticize it?
>>42267788I'm not even Arab. Don't change the subject to something else.>god isnt in the caaba or hovers on the cabaNo shit, bro. I must have missed this class during madrasah.
>>42267800but you pray to a building in arabia. so you dont think arabs are chosen by god?
>>42267805No, why would I? If he's the the God of all creation, why would I kiss the boot of this or that Sheikh? I also speak English, a language foreign to my tongue. Do you also think I fellate white people? My ancestors worshipped trees, mountains and rivers. They were animists, then Hindu or Buddhist, then Christian or Muslim. "Syncretism" is in my blood. But for sanity's sake I know when to appreciate cultural diversity, and when to intellectually compartmentalize things in their proper categories.
>>42267813you cant fellate white people thats absurd as your background. but uh. sheikhs you can say what you want but average muslims all larp for arabism they copy arabs such as shia sheikhs in pakistan who copy iraqis respectively and lebanese.
>>42267805>but you pray to a building in arabiaThat's just the qibla, a direction to face. Muslims don't worship the qaaba.
>>42267813lots of stuff i didnt ask about lmao bro. whatever. but what about islam convinces you, how can you see arabic religion of islam as true from god if hes not an arab which we both know or not even cares more about arabs than about others. kudos though you look like a spiritual advanced feller.
>>42267820Then you can take your argument up with the Shia Sheikhs or whoever other Muslim who think they have to be more Arab to be more Muslim. This is the same sloppy thinking as "sufis are practically isis".
>>42267831i think you need to be more intelligent with debate. i am saying your religion makes people copy arabs whether it was intended by allah or not it is happening. this is a big criticism in my opinion.
>>42267841In your opinion, sure. I don't like Arabic chauvinism and resist it whenever I encounter it. If you think you can destroy my faith by talking about Arabs, you're the one who needs to be more intelligent with "debate".>>42267830There comes a point in a man's life when he has to silence doubt and choose a path, or otherwise waste his intellectual and spiritual energy exploring the myriad of other faiths in human existence. Everyone has a path. To you your path, to me mine.
>>42267831ok i dont care so much did you say you dont want to talk about shia islam, lets talk about paganism. paganism is basically the idea that all religions are equal. your thoughts? im not talking about hinduism, but paganism, which created things like hinduism. or even created buddhism if you go through the chain. but if you believe what theravada says he might be older than this universe his teaching i mean.
>>42267852i dont care about your path bro this is just a debate dont take it personal i care only about maybe making you more wise, give you knowledge about things and just talk with another person. dont take this as a crusade where im trying to convert you because i honestly dont care a lot to convert someone in one discussion nor can someone force himself to believe if he doesnt have the mind for it such as you see with christian larpers on 4chan haha. to you your path and to me my path i agree this is one of my favorite verses
>>42267852i realized youre not an arab copier of course yes. what do you think about god i talked with my dad he doesnt talk a lot about gods attributes and such and probanly doesnt know. tell me your view.
>>42267856>>42267856>paganism is basically the idea that all religions are equalIf you really believed that, why "debate"? I don't even think that's the primary definition of paganism.>but paganism, which created things like hinduismPaganism is used as a catch-all term for polytheistic religions like Hinduism. It didn't "create" Hinduism. >or even created buddhism if you go through the chainBuddhism and Jainism arose out shramana traditions, which partly influenced modern Hinduism. Buddhism is complex on the existence of gods. Some traditions acknowledge that devas exist and are more powerful than humans, but that they also are trapped in samsara.>>42267860>i care only about maybe making you more wiseLMAO so instead of kissing Arab boots I should kiss yours? The condescension...>>42267869My view is that not speaking of things you don't actually know is wisdom. I worship Allah. Sometimes I feel an ineffable stirring in myself and I take that to mean that something is responding. Other than that, I'd just be regurgitating aqidah to you.
>>42267884ok thanks for NOT regurgiating aqidah but maybe just give me stuff apart from orthodox aqidah. that you happen to believe. if you only think or talk about things you know about how can you learn?
>>42267884dont kiss my boots then. but know that through my imparting of knowledge which have learned from ancient books you could learn a thing or two can you comment on buddhas teaching mainly theravaada?
>>42267888What am I supposed to believe about God outside of aqidah before I become something other than a Muslim? If we talk about things both you and I don't actually know, is either of us actually learning anything or would we instead get lost in each others' illusions and delusions? I'd rather just wait until after death.>>42267891>through my imparting of knowledge which have learned from ancient books you could learn a thing or twoStill not kissing your boots. But on Theravada: my main experience of it was in Thailand. Lay people will offer puja to devas, but the monks not so much. The standard Theravadan soteriology is centered on self-liberation, but in daily life that competes with pre-Buddhist practices.
>>42267922believe nothing that doesnt agree with your personal view of the world. that is my opinion. you dont need to believe everything we or you talk about. it can be just theories. that is fun and games and we can learn about it if we discuss it. that is another opinion. theravada monks did you ever meet a monk who seemed like he had achieved something valuable? but we dont need theories here lets talk about your aqidah which i dont know fully. and as you are not a book you can add comments from your personal commentarie on this stuff you mention: what is god, is he a spirit, or something else. what is his essence, is he nafs as they say khoda hafiz which means khoda can mean i myself in persian.
>>42267922also i read quran in arabic it says god speaks and he says he has a nafs.
>>42267952>>42267958I am neither your google nor your ustadh. We don't me to regurgitate things like the six pillars of iman. While Allah can be said to speak and as having nafs, there's a danger in anthropomorphizing Him in human terms. I'd rather avoid that.
>>42268001you refuse any comment. very sad to see we are on x bro there is no radicalism or literalism here we are all spiritual you either need opened mind and read more literature such as ibn arabi or al hallaj.
>>42268017>it is a psyche like any other nafsAnd that there is what I didn't want to do. I need do no such thing as obey or please you in whatever way you prefer to debatebro this. I said what I said. If you want a class in tawhid, go talk to an ustadh. Next you'd probably ask if Allah has hands and legs. I'm also not a language teacher here to teach you tell when something is a metaphor.
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>>42268053i think if god says it in the curan, you come here with your books and scholars no thanks. id rather stick with the original source.
>>42268029>no no you need to debate the way i want you to debate>you should read the books with the ideas that i prefer... because you are the truth? I thought you didn't like sufis, or was that some other guy who said "sufis are practically isis"? I wish that different anons would start with NTA when they jump on a discussion between two people. But I don't expect people to behave as I wish they'd behave.
>>42268074i like sufis just dont revolve my life or my teachings i like around them.
>>42267284The prophet attacked merchant caravans against tribes he didn't declare on.The cube was the house of Hubal, Baal, Satan in pre islamic times.When you show your face to it you also show it your ass since the earth is round.Islam worshippers do not worship the true God. They worship a fertility moon God with 99 names that pretends to be the true God. Sunnis are deluded, Shias are completely insane, sufis are copemaxxing Hindus.
>>42268093satan? oh my gooooddddd this shit again. when did a shia bomb nine eleven again?
>>42268065Yeah, and you can be a Quranist if you want. God forbid you ever start worrying about any surahs that compilers left out or extraneously included (oh noes... more doubt...).>>42268088You are all over the place, man. Well, time for Asar. Better to just quiet the mind and pray. Good luck with "your teachings".
>>42268120lol. yeah see ya im gonna meditate.
>>42268093Who's the true god?
>>42268151>who Kek wrong premise.It certainly isn't revealed in a book that was given from the heavens to someone in a cave who was written to be an illiterate sex addict with contradicting dualistic beliefs that has led an entire civilisation to endemic first cousin mariage, millenia of infighting and keept its masses in almost absolute ignorance bringing some of the great civilisations it cannibalised to their lowest point and keeping humanity as whole down.
>>42268207Dude, I asked a simple question. Go trigger someone who is actually muslim.
>>42268275It's hardly a simple answer one can convey. You'll have to find it yourself in order to have the words that fit your experience. My advice was to stop anthropomorphising.
>>42268339Jfc this feels like a tranny getting mad at me about pronouns.
>>42268350If that makes you feel any better to think this way.
>>42267284i literally do not care
>>42268363Like the way it makes you feel better to not even have a name for this god of yours? Fuck it. I don’t care anymore who you think the true god is.
>>42267284Muhammad came from the Nabateans and his family worshiped their gods. Muhammad was either a schizo and thought he was contacted by god, or he was a warmonger (more likely) and figured that creating a violent cult was the best way to gain control. Islam is fucking retarded because it's ultimately an Abrahamic faith, and Abrahamic faiths are a hodgepodge of Levantine/Mesopotamian religions.
>>42268380>if it makes =/= it makesGiving advice for you to consider broadening your horizons and asking yourself better questions isn't imposing you dogma. Limiting the supreme being to anthropomorphic properties is a sign of mental limitations, just hoped it would help you notice. Too bad.
>>42267284Hearing that I'm not alone in the belief that Allah is not bound by book nor creed nor bloodline is a great revelation to behold! I believe in Allah as a supreme being, meanining that the book of the Quran holds nothing over Him, but that He holds all bearing over the Quran as per its instruction. I use the Quran as a confirming and revealing document, and thus any of the names it officiates I add to my own personal canon, including the book of Enoch, which I believe to have been rewritten to state falsity such as that Enoch is the Son of Man i.e. the Christ spoken of in Isaiah. Since the Quran confirms and reveals, it can also confirm and reveal out of the pagan religions in what the pagans have been misinformed upon by their nephilim spirits. Things in pagan religion that were said to have happened often happened before the flood, or afterwards in the realm of the nephilim close to the realm of the watchers. I believe that pagans that are ready and easy to accept the Quran as truth are often practicing the belief, knowing that Allah is penultimate but that other spirits may be acknowledged as friends or allies alongside you with Allah or as guides to bring you to Allah. The Quran explicitly states that Allah Himself will sort between the various groups as according to His will. I accept other denominational names for Allah outside of Arabic as well. I recognize that the language is blessed, but all the same I love the names Lord of Spirits/Lord of Djinn and other titles that remind me of the esoteric nature of Our Lord.
>>42268809>Since the Quran confirms and revealsConfirms itself and reveals nothing that hasn't been put forth before. It's utterly void of spiritual teachings and can't even do its own maths right.Your interpretations and extentions of the Holy book goes against every school of islamic jurisprudence and you'd be deemed a heretic for taking such liberties in any country applying sharia.
>>42268920>Your interpretations and extentions of the Holy book goes against every school of islamic jurisprudence and you'd be deemed a heretic for taking such liberties in any country applying sharia.You're likely right, something that has validated through extensive conversation with me for many people that I could be the Mahdi because of the concise arguments I give for rewrites.>Confirms itself and reveals nothing that hasn't been put forth before.You misunderstand the meaning of the words in their context in Arabic. The confirming side of the document confirms the Christ being sent as a previous prophet and officiator of prophets just as Christ officiated Solomon and David as prophetic entities in the scripture while "revealing" things that were lost to history, which the Quran absolutely did. To expand on my teaching, other gods are nephilim, which the book of Enoch teaches to have some who have repented and gone to Him in jurisprudence to islam. You're not to worship these gods, or revere them as god of anything, but can still take them as friends or even wives and husbands as long as they belong to the same denomination as you in Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. As per those scriptures, they have to remain faithful to not be punished by them as well. Sharia is easy to practice with my teachings, which are also eschatalogical in nature. We're in the end times, meanining that what was confirmed by Jesus Christ holds precedence towards many signs we are seeing today. The times are described in the bible and shown as thus: women will divorcec and go to other men as a widespread practice; there will be an increase in earthquakes and famine; there will be an artificial famine caused by a leader cutting minimum wages (the third horseman); widespread war and death; war that threatens the entire world and not singular lands (the existence of the nuclear bomb and nuclear powers fighting each other); the list goes on and on and the signs are all there.
>>42268957Messianic complex is typically jewish and innately schizophrenic. Your arguments are anything but consise.
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>>42268561>>42268093 What is the point of implying that there is a true god but then not naming that god, and instead flaking out with a noncommittal answer? Even the Jews substitute Y-H-V-H with HaShem. And even if you're hinting at some kind of impersonal fundamental substrate of reality, the Taoists have a name for it and so do the Hindus. Being mysterious for its own sake is just stupid.
>>42269268>inb4 the tao that can be named is not the tao>inb4 the finger that points at the moon is not the moonWoo wow, idiots speak in koans and think they're wise.
>>42269268I didn't not imply there was a true god, that's very islamic of you to compare your god to others. Every god is true to the one who makes it. There is also no point in naming that which transcends the creations of Men, such as names or gender. Which was my point. Not knowing or giving it's name.As for Taoism I believe you mean Fa Jie which just means realm of reality or something along those lines, it's just a descriptive not a name. Like God is the descriptive of the concept and not a name. If you mean Tao, it means The Way, or The Route. It is not the name of a being it is the word encompassing a concept that is undefinable for it is eternal and ever-changing. So beyond words themselves. It is what it is. It's called something for simplicity sake. It is good to note that they don't view Tao as a god, or even a being. In modern lingo it could be replaced by a word like universe or cosmos.>>42269298Why do you bring it up if you know that it's their doctrinal view retard? You're misrepresenting even yourself that's a tough act. I will not reply any further considering that post.
>>42269404So you offer no goal to aim at and no practical path to get there (wherever there is, I guess, since if you won't name something, why would you point where it is or describe what it is?). Thank you. I now recognize you for the fool that you are masquerading as a wise man.
>>42269458that was not the purpose of his posts you mention here >>42269268he's right to call you a retardyou're a grown ass person so set up your goals and make up your own paththe answer you seek is inside
>>42270164That was exactly the whole purpose. And he's a grown ass man who doesn't need a girlfriend to answer for him, assuming you're even a different anon. You're both retards and your opinions don't matter.
>>42270227you were asking for his opinions on things he was not offeringweirdo
>>42270300Exactly. He’s not offering anything. You’re occasionally clever for a dumb bitch.
>>42270365there was some to be taken if you used your nogginyou seem to only take and give nonethat's not how relationships workit's ok to be gay fren
Can this thread just be nuked already
>>42270532Nah, there was fuckall to be learned and all I had to do was look ionside your empty noggin. Quit playing like you know anything, you retarded homosexual.
>>42267284You're talking about The Greater Than Infinite Mind.
>>42268380I don't have a name either, but I have a way for you to be in direct communion with The True Creator, do you want to know what it is?
>>42270900Does it involve buttstuff?
>>42270958Of course not.
>>42270900Sure you have a name. We're all just anonymous on here. If you have anything to say about henosis or theosis, why don't you just spit it out instead of being a little cocktease cunt?
>>42271066No, I meant, I don't know the name of The True Creator. Also, I can't just "spit it out." You obviously are blind to The Law.
>>42271073And you are obviously full of bullshit. Get to the point, you dumb bitch. What's this supposed method of yours for direct communion with "the one true creator"? And make it good. I already ran out of patience with your bullshit.
>>42271094Shut the fuck up.Here, you grubby little Jew:Control your breathing, aim your thoughts to the middle of the diaphragm where it meets your chest then say the prayer with the thought of your soul in mind.
>>42271099Holy Jew on a stick. What facile trailer park tummo shit is this now. Holy fuck you are a waste of time. Go fuck yourself, you retarded faggot.
>>42271109Oh, so you're slow? And that's my fault? Dead. This is why you'll always be a fucking outcast and loser.
>>42271113No no this is why you're just like the other thousand larpers on /x/. Fuck off, faggot.
>>42271116You didn't even try it, you moron.
>>42271119You might have convinced yourself that you're in communion with something, but the only thing you've convinced me of is that you're a retard. Try your larp with some gullible fool, you utter waste of sperm and egg. You do not impress me.
>>42271130You're a moron, man. That much is evident. You don't even think you have a soul, that's how retarded you are.
>>42271134I have a soul. My problem with wannabe galaxy brains like you is that the average x-tard larper can trick himself into feeling a thousand different spooky sensations with mere breath meditation. Fuck off with pretending like you're spiritually advanced or whatever bullshit. You fucking larpfag charlatan.
>>42271146Where is it you think this technique came from? You idiot. Tell me, do you think it's empty nonsense even though you haven't tried it and think The True Creator never does anything for anyone and that's why you and your grubby little Jew clan chose to worship a book God?
>>42271152Keep larping, loser. You ain't fooling me with parlor tricks. Direct communion? More like fresh hot bullshit served straight from the ass funneling into eager mouths.
>>42271158Do you think I made this up? Seriously? You think it randomly came into existence when I tried it once? No, it was given to me, you moron. You will always be a non-believer Jew, and that eats you alive.
>>42271160Jew this jew that. I ain't even christian. I don't care about any desert idiot's personal gnosis from long ago, and I sure don't care about yours either. I can sit and "meditate on my chakras" and make myself to feel electric prickles on my skin. And I can meditate for hours on end and start hearing voices and seeing images in my mind. And even that I wouldn't call direct communion with anything. It's just my bored mind filling in the void of stimuli with its own afternoon matinee. Spare me your little bullshit mind trick.
>>42271158And next time you try to force things out of me, I'm going to make you go blind in your left eye. Fake Messiah.
>>42271179I'm not a Christian either, Jew. The effect works immediately and you don't have to sit around waiting hours for something to happen. But you being the little grubby Jew that you are or want to be, you will deny everything that you think is bullshit without even testing it out.
>>42271180I. Am. Not. Even. Abrahamic. Get that through your soft little pea-sized braincage. May whatever curses you issue reflect a millionfold back upon yourself, pretender.
>>42271192You're not Abrahamic? You act like one, so probably were on in a past life. You fucking Jew.
>>42271190This is the main point that you're missing, you dumb bitch. You and I can both fool ourselves into feeling many different surreal sensations and convince ourselves that it's god or the universe or whatever. I don't trust it. The fact that you do shows me that you're a supreme moron fuckhead drooling out of the side of his mouth.
>>42271203Who made the soul, dude? Do you even know?
>>42271199And you act like the typical larping retard I find on so many threads on here.
>>42271209The fuck if I know. At least I ain't trying to pawn off some cheap bullshit pretending like I do. So go ahead. Tell me what new bullshit you got on who made the soul.
>>42271210You can do it without the breathing technique, it just helps you focus more. Where do you think this came from?>>42271215>Fuck if I knowThe Creator made the soul, you moron.
>>42271219And who is "the creator"? The spooky sensation **you** felt when you shoved your dumb bitch thoughts to your diaphragm? Fuck off, asshole. Go find yourself a willing fool to dump your larp on.
>>42271223>And who is "the creator"?Don't know his name, it's being supposedly gatekept by higher ups.>The spooky sensation **you** felt when you shoved your dumb bitch thoughts to your diaphragm?That's where the soul is located, moron.>Go find yourself a willing fool to dump your larp on.Get that Abrahamic demon in you checked, dumbass.
>>42271223Sorry I tried my best
>>42271227>it's being supposedly gatekept by higher ups.Lmfao I'm just waiting for you bring some secret chiefs bullshit or something. Then the larp will be complete. You know, the more consummate larper in me wants to shoot back with the same attitude of supposed superiority and say some shit like, "Located? You think your soul is has one location in one place? ... you still have a long way to go in your spiritual development..."
>>42271231Your best was underwhelming.
>>42271245>I'm just waiting for you bring some secret chiefs bullshit or somethingI don't know them niggas. And them niggas don't know me.>You know, the more consummate larper in me wants to shoot back with the same attitude of supposed superiority and say some shit like, "Located? You think your soul is has one location in one place? ... you still have a long way to go in your spiritual development..."I can tell you do that a lot. That came naturally from you. You're a fool.
>>42271257Lmao you're more like that version of me than I ever allow myself to be, moron. Absolutely no consciousness of your own stupidity.
>>42271265It's called awareness, dude. You try to deny that part of you, and you want to balance it, which is why you spout skeptic bullshit around at anything that looks like it's "trying to know more" than you. Leave that little girl alone, you creep.
>>42271279Awareness is one thing. Self-delusion is another, and it's a real danger in mysticism. Illusions of grandeur aren't enlightenment or illumination. I'm not buying any of your bullshit, fool.
>>42271289Sorry man...I just get really lonely sometimes you know?
>>42271289I am Grand, dude. You know nothing because you don't try to test out anything. Like, bro, shut your bitch ass up and stop bullying that little girl. Pussy ass nigga.
>>42271300That's neither here nor there. You have nothing useful for me. I'm gonna go break fast and eat my dinner now.
>>42271301Blah blah blah. I'm gonna eat some food instead of having you shovel more dumb shit down my throat.
>>42271308Haven't you ever encountered the divine light telling you to kiss guys sometimes though?
>>42271314Go get yourself murdered.
>>42271319No how could you be so cruel to me?
>>42271331Is that dude part of your "soul group?"
>>42271341Idk. You sound kinda hot
I can eat and update the thread at the same time. So if the troll wants to samefag as me for entertainment, it'd be kinda funny. More on point with this thread: There's interesting syncretism of Islam and Hinduism in places like Kerala where the local practices meld together somewhat. It involves Kali worship and Sufi shrines. It reminds me of the syncretism of Catholicism and Kali worship in some Caribbean islands. Humans are interesting. I don't know about any "true Islam" or "true God/Creator". But humans are interesting.
>>42271380I hope you choke, bitch.
>>42271397Please do
>>42271406Quit being a hornball.
Wow, so direct communion. Very spirituality. But to get back on point, the Arabs themselves were pagan before Islam, and the Kaaba once housed pagan idols according to Islamic history. They walk around the Kaaba the way Hindus sometimes walk around their murtis. I don't know if there's a historical connection there.
>>42271414Yes, a lot of Islamic sects were integrated from Mesopotamian inspired faiths or Mystery religions. Some of them tend to say that religion was started from their belief system. Most of the religions with Angelic lore in it are inspired by old Mesopotamian faiths. A lot of them had faith in One Creator and made the 'gods' into angels.
Speaking of angels, I'm going to go watch Dominion. Later.
>>42271439Quite likely. Jewish angelology was influenced by Babylonian ideas. I've also seen floating around on the internet the idea that Saint Michael the Archangel was once a war god named Mikal or Resheph.
>>42271484https://web.archive.org/web/20190201095009/https://bodaciousbanshee.com/2017/03/11/the-akkadian-origins-of-the-prince-of-angels/Is this what you were alluding to?
>>42271454Sounds sexy
>>42271493Mmm.. to begin with, I think the image at the top is actually of Ninurta fighting Anzu. But that's the kind of stuff I've seen in shared links, yes. Rabbinical tradition itself admits that "the names of the angels were brought by the Jews from Babylon". I think they had basic ideas about angels or malakh in Hebrew, but those became more expanded after the Babylonian captivity.
>>42271414>Arabs themselves were pagan before IslamOr Jewish, or Christian. Medina was a Jewish city. Mecca was a pagan town, according to their lore.
>>42273114Or the other way around you get me
Islam is fanfiction just like the rest of Christianity that doesnt follow Catholic doctrine which was created to establish laws and so for priests could marry but i hope all our separated brothers can return to the right path and follow Jesus in the right way
