Descent of the Savior Edition!Christian Esotericism is the inner and/or mystical aspect of the Christian Religion, it includes:>Christian Gnosis (Clement of Alexandria)>Desert Fathers Spirituality (Evagrius Ponticus)>Catholic Contemplative Tradition (Bonaventure)>Hesychasm (Gregory Palamas)>Chivalry (Wolfram von Eschenbach)>Christian Alchemy (George Ripley)>Rhineland Mysticism (Meister Eckhart)>Christian Cabala (Johannes Reuchlin)>Paracelsianism (Paracelsus)>Rosicrucianism (Robert Fludd)>Christian theosophy (Jakob Böhme)>Martinism (Louise Claude de Saint-Martin)>Swedenborgianism (Swedenborg)>Magical Idealism (Novalis)>Romanticism (Baader)>Anthroposophy (Rudolf Steiner)>Sophiology (Sergei Bulgakov)>Christian Hermeticism (Valentin Tomberg)>Fourth Way (Boris Mouravieff)>Christian Traditionalism (Jean Borella)>Divine Love (James Padgett)And much more, so let's continue to talk about it!>Resources (WIP)https://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/cp.htmhttps://jacobboehmeonline.com/https://archive.org/details/awakening-to-divine-wisdom-christian-initiation-into-three-worl-nodrm_202202/mode/1uphttps://janelead.org/resources.htmlhttps://archive.org/details/bookofcontemplat00unde/https://archive.org/details/rudolf-steiner-book-collection/https://swedenborg.com/bookstore/free-ebooks-downloads/https://www.gornahoor.net/?page_id=47https://archive.org/details/meditations-on-the-tarot/https://files.catbox.moe/8n4061.djvu (Meditations on the Tarot)https://eliasartista.substack.com/https://passtheword.orghttps://catenabible.com/mt/
>>42269558Previous thread >>42196601
you are not a christian
>>42269558Ere the council of Treant (1550) popes had harems and children.It's not a proper talk about inner Christianity without talking about Pope Harems and their Ganymede's.
Hello thread.Lately I have been really interested in apophatic traditions like Zen, but from a Christian perspective, which led me to Meister Eckhart and The Cloud of Unkowing. Really awesome stuff.I have my own approach to Christ, which is syncretic and mixes hermeticism with gnosticism and qabalah, basically the way the Rosucrucians did things, but stripped down to just the minimum necessary to feel gnosis and that divine connection with the holy spirit. I believe all these mystical traditions can hinder as much as they help, if you become too engrossed in deciphering them. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.My main goal is not to become a wizard or obtain power, status, or wealth here on Earth. I only care about being closer to God, so I can feel the transcendental love of God more and more in my life, and be utterly annihilated by it, my ego and self image purified by it, so the highest and best version of myself in the eyes of Jesus Christ can manifest in this world, not the version of myself I believe in or imagine, not my will, but HIS WILL BE DONE TO ME. It is like a surrender. Letting go. Submission to God. As it is said in the holy bible, lean not to your own understanding.
Cross Dressing Saint. One of many.
Another woman living as man becoming a Saint.
This Saint who was a biological woman dressed as a monk was accused of impregnating another woman.Because she was a saint, she falsely confessed and raised it.
https://rumble.com/v78pwnm-everybody-knows.html?e9s=src_v1_cmd%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a
>>42270614>which is syncretic and mixes hermeticism with gnosticism and qabalahFor example?
>>42271011I gave examples in my post... Rosicrucianism. Meister Eckhart. The Cloud of Unknowing. Apophatic traditions....what?
>>42270614Dig your well in one place. It's simpler to just adhere to an exoteric tradition at first rather than busy yourself with piecing together a unique belief system. When you get deeper into the practice, you won't need the Cloud of Unknowing AND Hermetic Qabalah etc. They will seem equivalent and you will need just one simple path. Everything else is a created thing between you and your God.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KG0fEXZtfLshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/jVkBYiTGzrUhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/0ioNSS5cgeIhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/2ffydTRe8BA
>>42271384Did you just get triggered by buzzwords in my post and your just brain switched off or something? I said all that in my post. You're repeating my very own words. Can you even read?
https://theaeolianharp.substack.com/p/barth-and-boehme-beyond-the-stories
https://theaeolianharp.substack.com/p/scattered-thoughts-about-boehme-and
>>42271291I meant what do you mix from those three?
>>42270803>globohomo style "artwork" tarot cardsWho's even posting this shit? Some random tumblr or "witchtok" account?
>>42272954yes
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/500654d4c4aa3dba7737b978/t/6146ff6bfe18791e2bf413a1/1632042864546/Frater+Acher_On+the+Foundations+of+Animistic+Spirit+Practice+in+Paracelsus%E2%80%99s+Works.pdf
https://www.paracelsus-project.org/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_KdZAI7m_Tghttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/6Oo9t8Z6-VA
>>42273071https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pbLiv9S49Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXjws0ACmOMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWD4J3L48qkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9AVIdELoUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0pz4z8fazshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZR5ypchlQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npkD7nfZeHUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wscuo1Cbkhshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3G6Ey_Imw
>>42269558Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_-SxQ3AkWwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33CUYcNuVI0
>>42269558penis angel.what does it represent?
>>42276740Is....is that....banana...bread?
>>42276910
>>42276989you defiantly didn't make it yourself, but i do like you did some research, i feel like if you were to commune with beings thats the way
>>42269788>only Christians can dicuss Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-ZvHvq8ZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH838rdKw1ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BV5Wna4pGs
>>42276989https://rachelsamek.com/blog/2024/4/16/pound-cake-for-expedite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAJQ3iVHZy0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMTkBv61Vbkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJd0YUlM2ok
https://www.scribd.com/document/102634164/Antimodernism-Arthur-Versluis
>>42271548Did you post in this thread looking for a nuanced discussion or a debate? Sorry for failing to disagree with you hard enough.
>>42269558I'm getting pretty tempted to kill myself soon. I've narrowed down my options to either hanging or getting hit by a train. I still don't have the guts to do it though.
>>42279068The end of life is not necessarily the end of suffering.
>>42279552I know, but at least it will be the end of THIS suffering, what follows may very well be suffering, but a different kind of suffering.
>>42279908No, there is no guarantee of that either. On the contrary, for the most part, as in death, so in life.
>>42279974What kind of God is this?>"haha, this retarded incel is suffering, I'm going to make him suffer FOREVER hahaha"???
>>42280170The kind of God who allows his creatures to give their love to whomever or whatever they will
>>42280183God gives you the capacity to love, but creates a life of suffering?
>>42280300Not only that, but those who love most also suffer the most. Nevertheless life itself is suffering.
>>42276856Why does OP refuse to accknowledge this.
https://orthodoxadventure.tumblr.com/post/801970892957712384/the-miraculous-icon-of-panagia-gerontissa
https://www.arsenalbooks.com/Spiritual-Warfare-s/1843.htm?searching=Y&sort=7&cat=1843&show=120&page=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpZSkMmzPhM
>>42272918Not very much ironically, since they're all basically the same thing and teach the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMWIqIA-u8E
>>42269558I don't understand these threads. Aren't we exhorted by the Bible to avoid esotericism/ the occult?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP5Jm-G4Hzohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7l7lfdu-JU
https://web.archive.org/web/20190820043446/https://modernmythology.net/satans-target-your-mind-supernatural-living-in-the-american-marketplace-c6c38c616778?gi=65493dc1e315
>>42287178No because the scholarly category of Esotericism didn't exist when the Bible was written and the Bible itself is a product of what one could call Gnosis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFMxe2OlbH4
OOH boy my favorite heretical pseud thread
https://groups.io/g/TarotL/topic/mouni_sadhu/58076984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzsy_BVO3F4
This is /omg/ now??? Sorry, been away for a while.
>>42291758The one and only!>>42293689This is separate from /omg/, both existed until ape left and removed the link, then /omg/ died, got revived a few times, then died again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N636Dwplcrg
>>42269788what is a christ?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8uRW-S2Mac
>>42280485Whats your favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJZ0memWlUw
The Christo‑pagan streak in Christianity is a mixed bag, flashes of real insight alongside a fair amount of nonsense. Trace it out and you find yourself in a syncretic, New Age, quasi‑pantheistic Christianity in which the Bible is given lip‑service but then shoehorned into whatever presuppositions someone brought to the table.It’s perfectly reasonable to sit with Greek pagan theological ideas, sift them, and keep only what’s worth keeping.
https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/pavel-florensky-and-the-recovery-of-christian-prometheanism/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-yOYHWLX2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvK_410pHs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3falMb6xts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw35lABWd6s
>>422981752 Timothy 4:3-4There is no need for syncretism, but this is where people who have a desire for it find an excuse for it. Esotericism and theology really are orthogonal, thus the majority of Christian esoterists throughout history were doctrinally orthodox, but this thread isn't ready to discuss that and probably never will be.
>>42303745>There is no need for syncretismI agree. It's time to let go of a lot of Greek pagan theological balderdash.
>>42303794There are many professed Christians who try to purge their theology of as much Greek influence as possible, but they inevitably just substitute their own fantasies.Again, it's a discussion that you're not ready to have.
>>42303862Keep the good stuff. Get rid of the garbage, like Divine Simplicity, etc.
>>42303878>Keep the stuff I like and get rid of the stuff I don't likeEveryone likes different things though. You're not solving anything, you're just rationalizing your preferences post hoc. Orthodoxy is the opposite of this. In fact, it's a kind of detachment.
>>42303893You can't go by what you like or don't like. You have to get rid of the stuff that is untrue.
>>42303904What's the difference between "I don't like this" and "this is untrue" if I'm the one who decides what's true and false?
>>42303909It's not easy to tell the difference, that's for sure. What's the difference between accepting a misleading authority from a true one?
>>42303917That's not easy an easy difference to tell either, but there is an important difference between believing something because a misleading authority told you to and believing something just because you like it.
>>42303925There is undoubtedly a benefit to submitting to an authority, even a misleading one. It teaches you to get over yourself. But, in the long run, surrender to a misleading authority misleads you. Instead of mistaking what you like for what is true, you mistake what they like for what it true.
>>42303934That's true. However, will God condemn you for being misled through no fault of your own, or will He condemn those who deliberately misled you? This is the question, since the purpose of religion is eternal salvation. However, even if our object is not to be saved, but simply to ascertain the truth (which is esotericism btw), it is still important to get over yourself before the intellect can be developed to a point where it sees the first principles of things clearly. But at that point "the just man is a law unto himself" and you keep what you know to yourself.
>>42303954>will God condemn you for being misled through no fault of your own, or will He condemn those who deliberately misled you?I don't know that I've ever been mislead "through no fault of my own". I usually play an active role in my own deception, at least at a certain point in the process. There are usually some red flags that I choose to ignore and things that I pretend not to know. Matthew 10:16.
>>42303973It's generally healthy to suspect yourself in this way, since the darkness of the fallen intellect is accompanied by an inclination to evil, but this is so that if you are misled by anyone, then you are not to blame for it; it is a matter of taking care not to offend God. But it does not follow that if you were not to play an active role in your own deception, then you would never be deceived at all. Men are easy to deceive no matter how you look at it.
>>42303986>if you are misled by anyone, then you are not to blame for itTo the degree to which I am sincerely seeking Him, to that same degree God helps me to navigate situations where there is deception taking place. You're right, men are easy to deceive.
>>42303998What you say is very true, but it is in fact to the degree that we sincerely seek Him and Him alone, not any created thing from Him as it were in exchange for our devotion. Easy to forget, but one must not.
>>42304018Amen.
Is Gnosis by Boris Mouravieff any good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgbc_ex9dmEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j1XRrGTZ4c
Alchemical Catholic is back: https://www.youtube.com/@metalifex8458
>>42304409It's not bad but it's very modern, it's akin to Tomberg's work in some ways, you can tell it came after the works of Steiner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev-gwLIvo0k
I'm trying to incorporate the Rule of Benedict into my life. Some of the commandments I am focusing on is avoiding pride, not eating or drinking too much, not being drowsy or lazy, and not complaining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NQG84pWAUEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNW6PiQGp9Y
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bFJCVgJJE9whttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/3FfX9isJg_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBQSr1ZFaYs
https://www.wildwisdomforest.co.uk/
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vMbw4j0ujGI
Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKAy2bgiL7Y
>>42269558How did William Blake draw a flying saucer before they were commonly known phenomena
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6UTDmnvNbxkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCGV6KSbIEc
>>42277152that's really nicecan imagine kids sneaking out at night and going to the building and looking at the icons and paintings, undisturbed by those "too religious" or "not religious enough"that being said, is there any other tradition that painted the outside of temples or places of worship? beside the ones from moldova i have no clue about any christian ones, although I heard about (ancient) greek and roman ones... like wall paintings, not only friezes
>>42317057beautifully-written
https://rumble.com/v7984mw-epsteins-satanic-temple-in-the-news.html?e9s=src_v1_cmd%2Csrc_v1_ucp_a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCADm2njXXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxa2pqhdxiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Jz37OE3CM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SerNSpm2AtI
>>42332219What does this mean? Western occultism is just a recovery of Eastern Orthodox Christian mysticism?
>>42333172He's talking about small "o" orthodoxy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Pyhpjlv0Q
>>42334730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBjGtA0cJac
Many great saints had harsh things to say about women. For a long time, we saw these views as backwards. Full female empowerment allows women to show how they behave when not under male authority. Without unnecessarily demonizing women, men are slowly beginning to see that something is going on with women and it's pretty intense.
>>42330275Reading it right now, together with other books it referencesI wish there were a similar book focusing on intereuropean traditionsOur fairies, sylphs, gnomes, dwarves, although many are celtic or germanic, ultimately originate from roman conceptions of intermediary spirits >>42332219The vast majority of esotericism was Christian up until the year 1800, first Spiritism, then the Theosophical Society, corrupted the tradition, and Occultism like the Golden Dawn muddled the waters by being both partly traditional, and partly derived from the new currents
>>42277160yes
>>42337727its because the original sin is still alive within humans, God banished Adam because he listened to Eve, just like he banished Eve because she listened to a Snake and was naive.
Leonardo da Vinci's Annunciation
>>42338071Perhaps that's it.It's crazy that something as amazing as the /ceg/ threads even exists.
This is also a nice video, mostly about (the lack of) music in the Old Testament:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L08ye06tpM
https://discord.com/invite/62smwcF3eD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMSjwAxzYT0
https://theseburiedsparks.substack.com/p/apocalypse-of-youth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkYsM2DeBAshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qF4a3i8hs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBbH5dE0glU
DTTW is fucking cringe. It's just GenX slop imposing their shitty "punk (((culture)))" onto Orthodoxy. Punk sucks, punks suck. The whole thing was very quickly co-opted into a consumerist movement and the vast majority of the music really sucks. I'm not saying that any specific genre is a superior replacement, but you don't see other genres larping as a "lifestyle" like with punk (and maybe NWOBHM in the past).Zoomers have a minecraft server called "Orthocraft"Imagine them making a magazine about how being a gamer is a REVOLT against the world and then calling it a "'zine." lmaoThe whole DTTW following is anti-intellectual in that they can't deal in ideas and instead have to deal in modern material culture.Just enjoy music sometimes and be orthodox, stop conflating them to sell your shitty patreon.
https://slavlandchronicles.substack.com/p/that-father-seraphim-eugene-rose
https://pokrovtruth.substack.com/p/rocor-abuse-history-the-case-of-gleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_sdXIWUASQ
https://pokrovtruth.substack.com/p/the-holy-order-of-mans-cult-a-comprehensive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuKOyqicmb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_KLvUqK7qA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKsukcMVCeIhttps://www.bookarts.org/store/p385/Speculum_Sophicum_Rhodo-Stauroticum.html
>>42344926DID HE KNOW?
https://x.com/naomhfinbar/status/2050223220394283112https://www.reddit.com/r/exorthodox/comments/sb5sob/hermen_gleb_a_warning/https://pokrovtruth.substack.com/p/rocor-to-go-ahead-with-seraphim-rose
https://www.reddit.com/r/exorthodox/comments/18c2ghp/fr_seraphim_rose/https://x.com/CoreyJMahler/status/1960489659651207580
https://www.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/eeav50/did_fr_seraphim_know_about_fr_glebs_crimes/
https://www.reddit.com/r/exorthodox/comments/1ct704f/i_still_cant_get_over_the_fact_that_almost_nobody/
>>42346982>>42346927It's funny that you're posting all this right as they announce he's being made a Saint. Coincidence?
>>42337766I feel what you are saying, with regards to esotericism before the 1800s, is true. I recently went through Agrippa's Three Books on Occult Philosophy (skimmed it, really) and I was surprised that a book so many condemn as being black magic, was so respectful towards religion.Have you got any idea what brought about the change in the atmosphere? Was the French Revolution enough to corrupt it? From what I remember Spiritism became a big thing in the Salons back then...>>42338410>It's crazy that something as amazing as the /ceg/ threads even exists.Yeah, even if I sometimes disagree with some anons, the reality is that most things in here (or most things generally considered) are not esoteric, but just meditations on orthoxody. Of course there is a lot of heresy, but that's why we are here, so we can help each other out, to see out mistakes better.One year ago there was also a /tradcath/ general on /lit/ until it got banned... there were not many posters, but nice books were posted and I'd lie if I didn't confess that it was that thread that re-awakened my interest in books and Catholicism.Anyway, sorry for my rambling, I guess I just wanted to say "thank you" to everybody in this thread/general, even the heretic assholes.
>>42270614The Gnosis come from the union with God. > preparation : pray as much our father as you want. > 1.First you need to feel heat in your heart, if it's not think about your familly or friends, try to recall positive memory or forgive any foo. Once the heat is present, keep it in mind like universal love and try to expand it slowly up or toward earth. > 2. Visualize God in Sky sending you a ray of pure light toward your head. Meanwhile each time a though in your mind is up, try to create his opposite, so that bought can fight and annhilate themselves. While you try to silence any thoughts you need to keep universal love active and expanding to infinite through visualisation. (it will be like seeing Angels fighting Demons.) > 3. At that point only the Ego is blocking the will of the father to descent upon you, so best way is to repent, then affirm with clear intent submission to God and if still nothing : finally the 3 vows : Celibacy, Poverty and Submission to the will of the father so you can become the vessel in which God will manifest on earth.The first time you will feel the thousand tongues of fire (it's the baptism by the fire, the fire will purify / heal you where you need the most), don't fight it let it running through you. If you are deezie, try to send the excess of the energy through your hands toward earth. At the end don't forget to send gratitude to earth and heaven, then stand up and shake your body. > the pray one last time our father.Do it once by day, it will heal / clean you from your sins. The first time it can run slightly amok if you are not righteous enough and can clearly overload your nervous system so the next 3 days you'll probably don't sleep.
can anybody recommend any books featuring the lives of Early Christians (from the days of Jesus till Constantine the Great), preferably in Rome & Middle East? either history or fiction (I am aware that the Church/Desert Fathers & companions exist)the only one I know of is Quo Vadis... and maybe the parts of the Golden Legend that take part in that period, although that is probably just medieval speculation from the 7th century and later periods (maybe I'm wrong?)to be fair I'm curious because Spengler classified the "early Christian" culture as "Magian" (like the Jewish and Persian too), as opposed to "Western Culture" which has arisen from its institutional phase
>>42347887Well I can't give a single reason, but during the 18th Century within Freemasonry there were two streams, one was Christian like the Martinists and Rosicrucians, the other pagan like Cagliostro's Memphis/Misraim, and some were influenced by Fabre d'Olivet who saw Jesus as a wise man but didn't believe in him, Spiritism is the first popular Esotericism though, and it was incredibly popular in America, later the Theosophical Society also became very popular in America, whereas the European branche tried to be focused on Western Esotericism like the Occult Orders thenIt's less a single movement or individual but more a loss of tradition, for example, Agrippa's work is dependant on his Christian religion (look up Hanegraff's articles on Agrippa, he explains the religious core of his Three Books) and a Platonic worldview, this Platonic worldview is now lost, and has been since Kant, it can return though and I hope it doesPersonally I had to teach myself that worldview by reading and reading and reading, Plato, Plotinus, Augustine, Eriugena, our schools cluld reintroduce it but I doubt that'd help, if it does return, it will through the internet like how now there's a greater interest in Neoplatonism
>>42348331Spengler divides hugh cultures by architecture, the "Dome" style is common in early Christianity and Islam, but that's because the first Islamic Mosques were Christian Churches, because the West has Gothic Architecture he considers it to he separate, in reality Gothic Architecture originates from a mix of Romanesque Architecture with the metaphysics of Dionysius the Aeropagite, Abbot Suger who is the father of the style said so himselfLook for civilizations and their borders not with architecture but with history and literature, for example China, Northern Vietnam, Korea and Japan are part of a common civilization though Mahayana Buddhism, Confucian ethics, the Chinese classics being read there, India and Southeast Asia have a common civilization through them all reading the Ramayana and Mahabharata, Turks and Persians have the Shahnameh in common and the Quran with the Arabs, and Christendom has a common tradition in the Bible and the Greek Classics, most of Medieval Europe thought they were descendants of Trojans after the fall of Rome, Snorri linked Aesir to Asia through folk etymology, and King Arthur was said to be a descendant of Emperor Constantine, Fairy King Oberon in one book says he's the son of Morgan le Fay and Julius Caesar, and Oberon himself is actually the German Elf from the Niebelungenlied that got adopted into French Chanson de GesteSometimes people divide Christendom into east and west, since the west also used Latin and were Catholic whereas the east was more disconnected, using Old Church Slavonic and Greek, but with that logic you can also divide the Islamicate world into an Arab and a Persianate one, it's up to you if you want to say there is one Christian and one Islamic civilization, or two Christian and two Islamic ones
>>42348758thank you for your patience and lengthy answer; I have heard warnings about Spengler but his passion (and courage to say things everybody was thinking of) really makes him seem worthwile to read, especially when it comes to the diffusion of technology (not included in his Decline book)... at the moment I'm reading Ellul's Propaganda, hoping to get to his technology book, so I appreciate you highlighting the subordination of technology (in this case architecture) to literature
>>42348898Spengler is interesting because howuch he influenced what came after him, and Prussian Socialism as a whole, though many of these Third Positionist Ideologies are secular "modern" versions of traditional european societies
>>42347245It is funny. God has a sense of humor. I've been posting this DTTW/Seraphim stuff as I find it, and read it. I'm discovering as I go along. I first read Youth of the Apocalypse circa 1998, after I saw John Marler's name in the liner notes to Ray Cappo's spoken word CD.
Damascene Christiansen, Theophil Dove, Pangratios Vrionis, and Gleb Podmoshensky: https://pokrovtruth.substack.com/p/fr-seraphim-rose-glorification-the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGlC26-3QA
https://x.com/johnmilbank3/status/2051607306857484389
>>42340229interesting, i've never heard of him>As for Leon de Poncins, it is a matter of a rather unpleasant story. Shortly before the war, a certain Eve Louguet was his secretary who took part in a group of dangerous sorcerers. He himself was a victim of these people and concerning the people who by chance saw him again around 1940, they reported to me that he seemed to have undergone a true collapse. I never knew what became of him since, but, in such conditions, I have many doubts that he can still be alive. [He actually outlived both Guenon and Evola. ~ ed.]https://gornahoor.net/?p=4662>>42339825>>42339831>>42339838i've heard about this punk Orthodox thing, not a big fan... i'm not a big fan of punk either, BUT I can 100% certify that there is something alive, something sincere, in punk... even if they are misguided and communists/lgbti don't even know how to say it properly, but punk probably has that component necessary to humans, which otherwise is only available if you "sign up" for something (masonry etc.)
>>42348742I appreciate your reply. I will look into it (found an article and a book chapter), and hope to return with more relevant questions (or naive observations to be corrected...)
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https://valdez483815.substack.com/p/on-the-falsification-of-fr-seraphim-9c9
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>>42350137https://www.academia.edu/1170523/Better_than_Magic_Cornelius_Agrippa_and_Lazzarellian_Hermetism_2009_
>>42352346Yes, that's the only article of him on Agrippa I found; the book chapter is in Partridge's "The Occult World," a more introductory viewpoint...
>>42353007https://www.academia.edu/12529750/Heinrich_Cornelius_Agrippa_2015_Also Hanegraff wrote about Lodovico Lazarelli who you should look into
Asking thy the following question What did Either G-dGodorthe God of Israel do for you?
>>42353356Give me eternal life
>>42353356The "god" of Israel (Yahweh) tried to take the place of El Elyon (God Most High, the Father that Jesus came to reveal). But Jesus saved humanity from Yahweh.
Transalpine Redemptorists declared sede vacantis the other day.
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https://druidstaresback.substack.com/p/avalon
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i need a job as a drk knight
https://www.reddit.com/r/exorthodox/comments/18hpewu/saint_hermans_orphans_fallout_after_seraphim/
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Hi /ceg/ I know we're at the end of the thread but if anyone has insight to the following it would be a great help:The Father has primacy and is described apophatically (beyond being and non-being), the Holy Spirit is described as proceeding from The Father and resting in the Son, and finally the Son is eternally begotten from the Father. This structure is congruent with Proclus' Doctrine of Participation. Proclus states that the One is the apophatic first principle beyond being who is considered to be "unparticipated." The mechanism through which the One can cause an effect takes the form of the "participated" which allows the One to remain unchanged, independent, and transcendent of its effects. Finally, the "participant," which receives cause from the "participated." We find this framework in St. Dionysius and St. Maximus too, of course, but while they may agree that the Doctrine of Participation is the mechanism by which God creates that which is intelligible, they always make it clear that God "as a whole" is the creator. That is to say, they apply the role of the unparticipated to the Triune God alone, and do not use the Doctrine of Participation to describe the relationship between the persons of the Trinity.If St. Maximus the Confessor and St. Dionysius the Areopagite view the unparticipated as the Triune God, why are the Persons of the Trinity also described in a manner analogous to the Doctrine of Participation? (e.g. The Father having primacy and apophatic transcendence.) Is it somehow a coincidence that scripture characterizes the Persons of the Trinity this way, or does their relationship with one another actually mirror God's relation to the world? Is it just a matter of the nature of the trinity being implicitly unknowable?
>>42357968During the 2nd and 3rd Centuries the Trinity was seen through a Middle and not Neoplatonic lense, there were two systems, the Monad or Limit together with the Dyad or Unlimited produce Harmonia, you can find this structure in Plutarch IIRC and Christianity in the Levant identified the Monad with the Father, the Dyad with the Holy Spirit (a female Ruach) and their union, Harmonia as The Son, the second system was developed in Egypt with the First, Second and Third God from one of Plato's letters, Clement of Alexandria for example identifies the Trinity with Plato's three deitiesThere's also a tradition of the Unknown Father who reveals himself as a pair, the Word and Wisdom, and the Word is filled with the Spirit, but these aren't philosophical in originBy the 4th Century things shifted to a "Trinitarian Apophaticism", where the entire Trinity is Unknowable and God reveals himself through his operations/powers/energies/theophanies, these Energeia then where seen as the Word or connected to the Son, Maximus for example with the Logos and the logoi that reside in him but are separate from him
>>42358222Thanks for your reply (checked).Would it be correct to say that from an Eastern Orthodox perspective: We can know the ENERGIES of God (where we would see Proclus' Doctrine of Participation reflected in the intelligible world) but not God's ESSENCE which can only be described apophatically. By extension we may perceive the Incarnation and the Holy Spirit functioning in accordance with the Doctrine of Participation but ultimately we can never know their transcendent essence and impose a rational framework upon their place in the Godhead.
>>42358306The unparticipatable Trinity reveals itself as participatable Energies, and everything that exists participates in themI'll give an example, Berthold of Moosburg developed a theory of "gods", below the Trinity are seven gods, taken from the Bible (Seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit and the 7 Angels in Clement, read the book Angelomorphic Pneumatology for more information), they are Limit, Unlimited, Being, Intellect, Life, Soul, Nature, as you can tell these are the Limit and Unlimited of Pythagoreanism, Being Intellect and Life are what proceed from the One in Porphyry, and Limit, Intellect, Soul and Nature are the Monad, Nous, Psyche and Physis of Neoplatonism which has become so famous
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https://www.reddit.com/r/exorthodox/comments/x5c8k8/anyone_have_runins_with_hoomies_holy_order_of/
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How can I make myself believe this shit? I have been into the occult and Eastern spirituality for years, and know the history of the Bible and that the whole thing is bullshit. However, I recognize the value of forcing yourself to believe religious things to gain benefit from it. I have been having great difficulty with doing this with Christianity because no part of it is appealing, it's a horrifically depressing religion. Any way to overcome this, anons?The reason is I have been living with a devout Orthodox family member who keeps being paranoid about my atheism, accusing me of Satanism and demon worship.
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https://traditionalistblog.blogspot.com/2026/05/new-light-on-maryamiyya-and-especially.html
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