how do I effectively and safely converse with a demon? Ive always wanted to interview a demon, theres so many things id want to ask it. What would be the most efficent way to initiate a conversation with a demon? how can I most safely go about this? What would be the best kind of demon to summon for this? I was considering summoning an incubus for this at first, but i dont want it to keep lingering around after im finished conversing with it so i assume an incubus wouldnt be the best pick.
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>>42276581lmao from tempel ov blood the lil sister of 09a?and liber 333 a la crowley no less. fake and gay.
>>42276555Wouldn’t recommend
5-htp works for me
>>42276625Why not? is there truly no way to safely do this? Do you have personal experience?
>>42276555oooo tripsregardless I don't really think there's a "safe" way to contact them. They're basically pure intellect, have been roaming the mortal planes for centuries or millennia and will outsmart you most of the time. You'll think you're safe but they'll use a loophole or some shit that you will not have considered because you're not some immortal being with infinite time to ponder how to screw someone over despite their "protections".Anyways you can always look up the Picatrix or the Red Dragon Grimoire, I used to have them but I can't find them anymore, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. You may want to stick to Astoroth and demons of his domain, if knowledge is what you seek, perhaps they will respect you to a degree and leave you be.Still, probably a bad idea.
>>42276555I wouldn't recommend it.
>>42276555Well, there's always grimoire magic of the sort this guy mentioned >>42276639. The use of a magic circle, a sword as a threat, various prayers patterned in the Christian style, a lamen or phylactery, etc supposedly keep you safe. And then there's the modern "demonolatry" method where you just have the demon's sigil and chant "enn-chants". I personally think the former method is "safer", but to be frank, there's no guarantee of complete safety. Fuck around and find out.
>>42276555>safelyStop being retarded, we hate that about humans
>>42276808woe, a real demon.
>>42276808Fuck you, Damon.
>>42276763I think invoking GOD to summon a demon is one of the stupidest ideas I can think of.
>>42276945Ok. So don't do it. Anything else you wanna get off your chest while I'm babysitting you?
>>42276639Why would every demon feel the need to try and outsmart me? Are none of them willing to just have a quick chat with a curious mortal?
>>42277017I suggest doing much more research on the history of demons. At least know what you are getting into.
>>42276555I would recommend you ask God or an angel of God to instead instruct you about demons and their nature. That is the safest way to do this inquiry. But even then, unless you already have a strong relationship and experience in conversational prayer and visions, you can still be deceived by them masquerading as angels. They seek your souls annihilation, and will work whatever questions you seek even if answered truthfully, towards this end. They are to be dominated for specific mundane tasks if interacted with at all. Not probed for wisdom, for they lack it. They do have knowledge. But knowledge can be vain, and is neutral in quality. It is incredibly dangerous to take anything they say without a heavy sodium content.
>>42276555If man is 5 then the devil is 6. If the devil is 6 then god is 7. Trips of humanity confirm you are not ready to have a conversation with a maleviolent entity which is billions, if not trillions of years old. Give up on this useless dream.
>>422770453 and 5 are also the numbers of magic I a triple 5 as a ready initiate. But he needs safeguards against unprotected demonic interaction.
>>42277028Its pretty hard to do research when so much of it contradicts eachother. Especially when it comes to the topic of demons, ive seen some sources say that theyre pure evil, ive seen other sources say that they arent malicious at all but just misunderstood, and not to mention all the many other varying claims about demons. The whole trickster demon thing just seems like a hollywood trope to me. Even if there is truth to it, it doesnt make much sense for every single demonic entity to have the same goal of tricking humans out of their souls.
>>42277073*i see a
>>42277074Look, there's the Abrahamic sense of the word demon. And then there's the earlier Greek sense of the word daimon, which just means spirit. They differentiated between agathos daimon (good spirit) and kakodaimon (malevolent spirit). There's some occult magicians who will say that what Christians call demons are simply old gods demonized in the new monotheistic religion or whatever. But that's a little bit disingenuous because even in the ancient world that they're harking back to there was a distinction made between good spirits and bad ones. From personal experience, some can be assholes, some can be chill, some can be neutral, and some just love or hate for whatever reason (maybe your face or the way you smell, I don't know). Everyone will have different ideas about them. You'll find commonalities in what people attribute to demons, but there's also variance. It's like asking different people whether the USA is a force for good in the world or not.
>>42277117That makes sense, thank you. In that case, i suppose what i had in mind would be a more neutral spirit, or atleast one that wouldnt instantly decide to bring harm to me on first sight.
>>42276555I’ve looked into this a fair amount and as far as I have found the only safe way is to be a Vatican trained exorcist. This is not limited to Catholic exorcists as in rare circumstances (possibly only once) the Vatican has trained east orthodox priests to become exorcists. This is literally the only low risk method I have found, and even this is not without risks. Even so, they are advised not to talk to the demon about anything not directly related to the case. This seems to not be followed a lot though so you can watch interviews with exorcists to hear their conversations with demons. Chad Ripperger is the most prominent. There are protestants who perform exorcisms, and while I am currently researching more into it, they all seem to basically be retarded or bullshitters. I can go more into depth on the Protestant stuff if you want, I understand I am not being that clear but it’s a lot to type out. Occult/witchcraft methods of contacting demons are by far the most dangerous. Definitely steer clear. Probably the least risky way to contact spirits is to take dmt and talk to those spirits, but this also has a lot of risk and I rarely hear of any conversations actually happening so it’s pretty stupid to try this. So basically the only way safe way to learn about them is to read the accounts of people who have contacted them. I’ve found the accounts from people on both sides of it to point right at Christianity, specifically Catholicism. To the point where I attended mass for the first time of my life on Sunday, which is crazy because I used to be fairly anti Catholic But basically it seems like for whatever reason, the only spirits that will willingly communicate with us are the malevolent ones. The extraordinary rare circumstances of people being contacted by benevolent, or at least neutral, spirits is when they wish to talk to you, not when you want.
>>42277881This anon lies. John Dee contacted angels. Many people have summoned them. Spit in the catholic church.
>>42277881Catholic exorcism works so well they call in an ambulance and straight out inject you
>>42278005I'm possessed in a catholic country, the catholic church belongs to Satan.
>>42277881Wise man.Only Catholics and rarely Orthodox can perform exorcisms, because the entire nature of it is the chain of authority passed down through from Jesus Christ through the Apostle Peter, to those ordained by the Catholic Church.>>42277991Guess what religion John Dee was part of?
>>42278034>A hidden narrow gate >Most prominent churchlmfao
>>42278034Bet you 10000 € your church will not remove my demons and instead will claim mental Illness. Nor the demons of anyone who isn't larping
>>42278034The religion of John Dee is irrelevant. Rn, you cannot contact any angels. We killed them, we killed Jesus and YHVH. So catholic church falls flat. All it takes is a soft movement to remove the illusion they're casting to make people believe the god is there. Which I did while typing this.
>>42278183Speaking of which. If the church wants Jesus. I will obligue if I am able. He's no Demiurge, you arent his church, and he teaches meditation (eastern style) and theurgy, not rosary praying. And very strict morality.I'm not entirely sure why these retards with bad breath think Jesus would accept their behaviour or give discernment of spirits and healing in jest. Which he gave me in the heyday. Chances are, given he needs me, despite my murdering of him I'm safer than you. This is hypothesis tho, his soul was undone, he aint coming.
>>42276555I'm a demon. Go ahead, ask whatever questions you want.
>>42278322you are a poser, funny ape
>>42276555You don’t have to ask him anything. He’ll tell you on his own what’s wrong with you and what you need to change, and if you ignore that, you’ll naturally suffer. You don’t ask the questions; he gives you the answers if you’re worthy of receiving them. He has nothing to say to most people, because they’d only suffer by resisting everything. They’d literally go to hell. You have to possess a certain capacity for suffering to be able to listen to a demon and understand him. For him, it’s a bit like talking to an ant. You should be aware of that. Or maybe not. It probably doesn’t matter at all in your life, and perhaps that’s for the best for you personally.
>>42278336Car accident
>>42278474is that what your parents called their little fuck failure?
>>42278352I had no intentions of asking about my own life lol. I only wanted to inquire about the demon itself, like asking it questions about its existence, its beliefs, its identity, etc. But yeah youre right that for the demon it would be like talking to an ant, but humans talk to mindless animals all the time so i assume it wouldnt be too much of a bother for a demon (although maybe i shouldnt assume demons to have the same behaviors humans have)
>>42278520Demons aren't real, and if they were, they'd all be huge faggots you wouldn't wanna talk to anyway. Grow up.
>>42278481Stay away from roadsOtherwise...
>>42278481That demon just mogged the shit out of you, buddy. You should be embarrassed.
I always find it funny how people here say to avoid demons and the like. But encountering angels is even more terrifying. At least personally. It's terrifying, surreal, painful, leaving me with a sense of unease.Demons are a rush. Personal insight and strength can be gained from them, but do not exactly trust them when it comes to things outside yourself. Demons basically hold up a mirror, and can help strengthen things within yourself.Angels give transformation? Maybe? I don't know, they fill me with great dread. I panic and try to escape them.
>>42278322Are demons sexy?>>42278528R/atheism is down the hall and to the left
>>42278595>Are demons sexyUsually sex obsessed rather than sexy
>>42278612I wouldnt expect beings way beyond our realm of understanding and intelligence to be obsessed with carnal pleasures, but cool
>>42278619Think about what consciousness without a body feels like. Like you, but without a way to get off.
Op, don't let Christian larpers tell you things that are half truths. Sure, demons are Darkness, but are you a Paladin? No? Then consider carefully. Why do you think some bands sing to and make offerings to demons, in some cases in live shows.
>>42278670>Why do you think some bands sing to and make offerings to demons, in some cases in live showshonestly I just assume most of them do it for edginess but dont actually believe in it. But id love to hear more about demons from your perspective
>>42277991Lmao... "angels" who "told" his scryer that they should swap wives.In his own diaries he recorded having encountered some "lying spirits".
>>42278734Because le biblio?
>>42278707What to say? I'm a lhp guy, I do work snd fill up with demonic energies. You're however interested in the beings themselves not in a "yoga" of sorts.
>>42276555Know Thyself to a pretty strong degree, make sure your "shadow work" is in order, and you are properly cleansed.
>>42278738Because le biblio what? You think I'm christian? I'm not even the anon here >>42277881. I'm just saying Dee wasn't always making contact with angels, assuming that Kelley was even scrying anything at all. Kelley had a reputation for forgery and may have had his ears cropped for it. Think about it from the viewpoint of a christian: would angels tell you to exchange wives for the night?
That Depends.What do you Remember?>>42281162
