I just got really, really stoned and had a religious experience with a god-entity who told me how spirits and the afterlife work. He offered to take me to "the infinite library" when I die, if my soul is appealing to him when I die. He specifically came to me in the context of a metaphorical conversation between him as a passing godly deity making an offer to a medieval scribe, but as I got more and more stoned during the scene playing out in my head, he gradually started speaking directly to me, and said "Ah! So we've passed through the metaphor-barrier. Good. I'm glad. I'm real, and I wanted to talk to you." He said I'm "an appealing kind of person" to him, for his exact purposes, not from a moral perspective or a "super cool good guy" kind of perspective, but that the shape of my brain was the right kind for his needs. Said he wanted me to keep living in the general way that I have been, and that if I continue to be "relatively nice" and "relatively cool", without becoming "ivory and gold, I detest that oh-so-christian self-righteousness" that he would take me to the infinite library when I died. Image is because the style he was selling to the scribe was a very cloaks-and-lanterns vibe, but he said the context could change based on your personal perception, since you'd already have to be altered to perceive higher levels of reality, with "books" being representational of every potential of every possible version of that "book" from every timeline at the same time.(Continuing)
>>42292081He told me that the "spirit realm" is really just a layer over top of reality, and that your "soul" is really just a bubble of that energy that is self-contained due to being aware of your environment. Human beings are capable of "perpetuating after death" because our souls are capable of enough self-perception to self-perceive ourselves, "pushing off of ourselves", so our souls continue after death, but the vast, vast majority of life on earth simply pops like a bubble when it dies, returning its' energy to the pool of life energy around it.
>>42292085>but the vast, vast majority of life on earth simply pops like a bubble when it dies, returning its' energy to the pool of life energy around it.I would like to add even some animals have souls with emotions and personalities, sometimes I think animals are people, the only thing I don't like is how hardcore this reality is and how difficult things are and how limited free will is
>>42292085Specifically, he said that the majority of pets die, live on for a little while, and then fade away, pretty content, but some wait for their owners after death and are reunited, but that most animals, even most smart dogs and cats and horses and such, tend to be okay with fading away, but that a small handful of types of animals, like elephants and whales, are capable of enough self-awareness to persist after death, but that they tend to quickly "ascend" to another layer of reality, as do humans when they accept "moving on". There's no concrete "heaven", you move on to where you believe you're going to end up, but ideas of that that are similar enough glob together and form coherent afterlifes, so yes, there is a christian hell and a christian heaven, but you only end up there if you genuinely believe you will go there. Native americans probably go to a handful of their own different afterlifes, many humans don't really believe in much of anything and they tend to pass on generically to what must be another new layer of reality, perhaps as a blade of grass in some other world. This god was just passing by our reality and liked the shape of my mind, and was offering to snag me up when i die. Time seemed relatively immaterial to him, but he didn't know a ton because he "wasn't local"
>>42292089So the cool thing was he said that the ability to impact your surrounding energy was explicitly due to perception of your surroundings and yourself in relation to that surroundings, because it's the "mental math required" to do that that maps onto the spirit world on a basic level, so even like mold and mildew has some influence in the spirit world, but only entities capable of self-reflection have a concrete soul. But this means animals cultivated to have strong personalities CAN persist after death, it's just not crazy common. It was a relief, because I am a dog person myself and I was gonna cry like a bitch if every dog I ever loved just died and ended, but apparently most dogs just live on for a bit and then become content to just lie down and move on and they return to nature, which is nice
>>42292089He said free will isn't limited, every decision sends you down different paths of time, the multiverse means every timeline and every outcome does exist somewhere, we're just flying like a thrown baseball through time and space, and your slight deviations through the choices you make means you're seeing new iterations of the people you care about every time you see them, both a new version of them and a reflection of their past self, it was a pretty crazy feeling
>>42292101He offered to take me to the "infinite library" but that name was just because he first introduced himself through the metaphor of a conversation with a medieval scribe serf guy, encountering an otherworldly entity who was NOT a demon, explicitly was offering an afterlife that would be heaven to some and hell to others, that a "man next door, if I made him this offer, and took his soul, and what he wanted from heaven was to ride at dawn and taste the glint of fresh blood on his spear, and to sit with his clanmates at a campfire and feast on that boar, he would find my infinite library to be a hell. But you, you would enjoy the infinite hallways of bookshelves from every time and place, stories untold and forgotten kept forever, and needing to be cared for and patrolled by those of the right disposition, lanterns lit and hallways walked, ever aware for... darker influences that exist in the spaces beyond this world" but then when we exited that metaphor conversation he made it clear that that image of that afterlife was for the serf character, and that realistically my version of it would probably be something unique to me, it wouldn't be Office Space cubicles, it wouldn't be Community College library computer room multipurpose room laptop charger and cheetos, I don't know what it would be, it would be different for each person because what you're ACTUALLY doing is effectively serving as one sensor in that space protecting his realm, passively. The "work" that needs doing would depend on who's doing it, because it's metaphorical. One person might be doing spreadsheets, another might be doing night watch security work, he likes capable, intelligent, self-aware, relatively upstanding and trustworthy without being a secret predator or a self-righteous asshole about being nice, just the kind of person who would do the right thing if they found a lost child even if nobody was watching.
>>42292117He also made it clear that his afterlife wasn't one of endless delights, it was one where you won't completely lose your mind because there'll always be some small achievable goal just within reach that with a little effort you'll be able to do and you'll be appreciated and rewarded and have plenty of off-time, and he wanted to stress that part because "I don't want to come across as a taskmaster", he just likes preserving the essences of people who think and live in a way that is appealing to him, and he was only talking to me because I happened to be really, really stoned, but he comes and skims our reality from time to time among many others, and that I wasn't actually special, but in a good way. He wasn't making me go be some speaker of a religion, he just was waving hi while passing by on what was effectively a fishing trip
>>42292081>black cloak/robeThat's a fallen angel and all of those explanations and things shown to you were probably bullshit. The only thing you should worry about is something called 'overshadowing' where the entity will stalk you at night attempting to take control of your body. The only afterlife that is not a life review and a heavenly light is the abyss -- referenced via negative NDEs. Demons take on the form of doctors, priests, friendly people, and then turn on you once you go too far down.
>>42292129someone's not going to a good afterlife, buddy, and it seems like you
>>42292133Somebody warning you about demons your immediate reaction is that they won't go to a good place when they die? I've seen an entity in a black, tattered robe before and it was Lucifer. These entities like to also pretend they are dead humans referenced in the Scole experiments.
>>42292149he was very explicit that there are multiple concrete abrahamic afterlives, where people who believe in a shared vision all go when they die. You'll be very happy, but I don't want to go to moses heaven or jesus heaven or anything like that. He made it very clear that if you genuinely in your heart know for a fact that you are too much of a sinner to go to christian heaven and will go to hell, you WILL go to hell, no matter how many times you cry out to Jesus, because you go where you know in your heart you are going to go, and yes, that does mean that those places end up swollen with genuine sociopaths who make those places not that great, even if it's still mostly clouds and bullshit, and he was offering to take me to his much nicer place, and frankly I very strongly said yes because I liked what he was selling. There wasn't a hint of anything negative, and he didn't even "take my soul", he just is gonna come scoop me up when I die, if I stay cool. If I turn into a hateful, wiry old asshole, he might not take me. If I stay kind and trustworthy, he probably will.
>>42292149He didn't mention specifically, but I assume through the implications of what he DID define, that that means that he's probably of the same kind of entity as the god of abraham, who takes true and good believers to his pocket afterlife, but frankly I don't like the flavor of his branding and I don't want to wander the earth until I give up my energy to the cycle of life and death, so I wanna go to the infinite library, even if my version of it is, like, a fat IT guy in a swivel chair running antivirus shit on the "vital network" in some kind of nicer version of a Severance office, where it isn't actually malicious and is instead normal and nice and you get six-hour workdays four days a week and you get little benefits for your actual work, because abrahamic afterlifes seem SO FUCKING BORING.
>>42292163Sorry, yo; I know it looked and sounded really cool and trustworthy - but, you were lied to. I'm even skeptical about the light of love because most of human history did not have that. The only thing we can be sure of is reincarnation due to some studies with kids that remembered their past lives. The only time I've seen Lucifer he was in a tattered, black robe. So the chances of your new friend being some lowly dead serf from the medieval ages is highly circumspect.
>>42292208No, the serf was just a character in the metaphorical conversation, a perspective character used for that bit, which he used to introduce himself, I was the one "playing" the serf, although it bounced between me in the "audience" watching it happen and me "playing" the serf, and then at one point I asked him about food, and he said "there's food, this is not an afterlife for gluttons, but there are some luxuries to have." and that was the last thing before he said I had "passed the metaphor barrier" by getting a little bit higher so he could talk to me directly. He felt super chill and the image I chose could have been chosen better, he came across more like an old man-thing in a big robe with a lantern, not like a spectre of death. Like a wise old man who could lead you out of a dark forest, because he's been here before and he comes looking for mushrooms. That's just kind of spilling out of me as I type, because I'm still high and he's still kind of present, I can't express how not-a-problem he seems, just super chill and likes that i'm kind-of-autistic, and is only talking to me because I happened to be high enough to hear him, he goes fishing all the time and snags people a lot, by their consent, but he doesn't often get to talk to people who are still alive. He's basically paddling his boat past ghosts who aren't dead yet, people who only see the mortal world, and I was JUST high enough to hear him.
>>42292208Oh and he said fourth-dimensional entities can't pronounce the kind of names that is his real name, but he sort of put his hand on my shoulder and I went "Yo...ko...bo." and he went "Yokobo? Fine. Whatever suits you, since my real name would just be nonsense to you."
>>42292233Well these ultradimensional entities seem to communicate visually only if you're high. Not everyone gets NDEs when they die and come back. These ultradimensional entities are able to project very vivid imaginary worlds to people who are near death or are on drugs -- reports have a lot of conflicting information. The only consistent fact about these experiences is that the entities lie a lot and are deceitful. The Scole Experiments had an entity that pretended to be peoples' dead loved ones communicating through film cannisters, radios, and other methods. The ACTUAL afterlife probably has something to do with your physical brain after you are dead and buried -- every culture was told to prepare peoples' bodies to be preserved in burials into the ground. There are a lot of paranormal phenomena in graveyards - and it certainly is not done by dead humans. In Sumerian mythos humans were created to be slaves in this life and the next -- giving living people visions of that afterlife being interesting perhaps is just manipulation.
>>42292282If I interpreted what he was telling me correctly, it would confirm that people are essentially manifesting/wishcrafting white jesus AR15 walmart hyperborea heaven into existence as a seperate, discrete heaven away from the normal christian one, which god I hope so because those people are fucking demonic
anybody wants to ask anything, I can try and answer, even if you want to ask something stupid I really, really genuinely believed this experience and enjoyed it and he seemed really cool so if anyone had any questions, I'm down
u got smoked out by the kush aliens lol
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>>42292149https://www.allreligionsareone.org/Lucifer.html
>>42292081>the infinite libraryOP, if you are willing to entertain the concept that Jorge Borgeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Library_of_Babelmay have been expressing a very similar concept. I'll hang and chat because I dig your effortposting. super cool thread. I like your sentence structure. Borges was my first impression and would also be interested in visiting the Wanderer's Libraryhttps://wanderers-library.wikidot.com/and the concept of the akashic records, which by definition would be a small subset of the infinite library.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records
>>42292332>now this, this is art
>>42292081>>42292341>>42292332https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45b1774e4ba77also OP, a lot of what you describe, or what was expressed to you in the encounter, was very similar to a concept developed in linkrel. the Orion's Arm project is a work of collaborate speculative science fiction in the sense that they attempt to make a sort of collaborate hard sci-fi effort with mysticism.what is also important is that you understand that to me, fiction is one of many communication channels which humans are exposed to exchanges which you describe. I also endorse the types of encounters you describe, especially when so openly described as being part of a thc experience used correctly and analyzed correctly.in any case, super cool you are interested in all this and you had a cool encounter. good for you. should you see them again, say hello to your visitor for me.
>>42292373I will! Thanks!
>>42292377protip-it might help your situation if you read many of the books regarding the topic in the wiki article. much of it comes from theosophy and 18/19th turn of the century esotericism, which itself was a sort of revival or recontextualization of classical esotericism. we are in the age of postmodern esotericism where people just make up whatever they fuckin feel like.when someone like yourself verbosely describes a pattern situation which is semiotically linked to other experiences of other persons, it adds not necessarily credibility to your story, but consistency. for me, when I read that much consistency in a description of an encounter, I also have to look for a lot of frankess and forthright discussions of unsolicited information. I noticed that a lot in your work.you'll be interested in learning more about how the human race has been having an ongoing conversation with Hathorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzXPxktcuMand it looks like the most recent person to have an encounter with her was this Bledsoe fellow. there are other entities which maintain communications with humanity such that there are archives of their previous encounters with persons which, to only those with access to the archives, know that each additional message (sometimes taking decades) is consistent to the previous messsages in a sort of semiotic blockchain.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HathorI don't know all the details, but the most important thing is your aloof and nonchalant response, which was the deliberate effort of your visitor. such efforts are viewed as confirmatory. so again, good for you. hopefully it works out and you get to hang out in your library.anyway, if you do a good job of studying the extant material you have access to regarding descriptions of his library, I think you might have even better chances to find yourself there. everything Borges wrote is gold.
>>42292458>we are in the age of postmodern esotericism where people just make up whatever they fuckin feel like.kind of like blevatsky quoted made up sources and the theosophists passed their fantasy novels as arcane past live blood memories? tiktok conspiracies hold the same level of leverage as theosophists do, if not more.
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Anon, that's a demon who is trying to manipulate you. The best lies are the ones with a kernel of truth. It obviously wanted you to agree to give up your soul to it. Please be very cautious about trusting spiritual entities. You can pray to God for protection. Christ is King.
>>42295656jesus was just some guy, anon
>>42295694No he was a turbochad who died for your sins you retarded nigger.
>>42295708he was a communist arab hippie, anon
>>42295718Only two of those are true!
Did he give you any advice about returning to the past/redo/transferring consciousness/switching perspective to a different universe?
>>42295850Unfortunately, no. I asked about "psychic stuff" and he said essentially no, at least nothing obvious. Maybe someone might invent something at some point, but as of right now, the only 'psychic' thing is that the mechanics of the human mind allow for 'entanglement' with our 'souls', which is why we have such concrete spirits, because our meat-brain is basically "holding hands" with our spirit's equivalent of a brain, but that no, there's nobody out there who can, like, leave their body or stop someone's heart or speak with the dead, or anything. And time travel isn't possible for beings like us, because we're fourth-dimensional, and 'time momentum' is a lot to deal with for beings on higher levels.
>>42292081So essentially you create your own afterlife? Can I just manifest my own afterlife where it's just me in a sandbox where I can play god with a bunch of NPCs? Or do I need to get a bunch of people together to collectively manifest it?
>>42297595as far as I could tell, you would need a *lot* of people all believing in one afterlife, and something as big and confused as christendom has, like, four or five because there are millions of people all believing in, say, a vague archetype of a Catholic Heaven, even if each and every believer has an ever-so-slightly different vision of it, they have enough "conceptual gravity" to blend together. Maybe if you just truly in your heart of hearts believed with every ounce of your being in a specific afterlife, I guess you might get lucky, but it's masses of people all with spiritual influence who make it happen
>>42297606How many people specifically? And what happens to atheist hylic people who are strict materialists and don't believe in any afterlife?
>>42297611oh, so that last part actually came up, people with no real faith in a specific afterlife do end up ascending, but it's just to another plane of existence that's pretty incomprehensible to us, specifically I remember "they might incarnate as a blade of grass in some other, much grander universe" and I remember being pretty irked about his point that cruel, heartless sociopathic capitalists who believe in nothing but profit also ascend, but they probably ascend to a reality that caters more to their brutal mindset, to a universe with little to no inherent kindness but plenty of opportunity for advancement. I didn't like the implication that people I don't like would get something they like, but I guess on some level I appreciate that at least they get to go somewhere else and not bother people like me, and I guess I'd rather people were happy than not
>>42292081>"my soul is appealing to him"No such thing as a free ride, you soulussy is going to be eaten by that reptoid
>>42297626Do they remember their past lives or is their memory wiped?
>>42297669it seemed like a reincarnation thing, you'd lose your memories but keep your spirit deal
Are there infinite Afterlives then?
Satan or Loki, call it.
>>42297711why do you need me to be wrong so badly
>>42297731I am not saying you are or are not wrong, but you might have been swayed by either Satan or Loki. Do not take it like you being a failure, rather see it that you're dealing with someone who is not telling you the full thing or leading you somewhere as comfortable as you think they are. From what I have read, you have implied you're not good to the level of getting into the heaven of Jesus, so maybe this is a part of your fate; in this sense I am not telling you you are right or wrong, but telling you that all signs point to you being led to some kind of limbo by Loki or Mephistopheles or some kind of trickster spirit like that who is not telling you the full thing or at least is the assigned reaper of souls like yours into a book limbo. I am simply telling you to think outside the box of what this entity is telling you, that's all I am doing.
>>42292327Here is my prophecy for you, which is happening as we speak: the moonchild will usher the empire, but be rejected, and in turn he will reject it and turn to true good in the true light of Jesus, and be truly good, and be truly peaceful, and reject all he was meant to be, and choose his own fate by choosing peace, friendship, love, laughter, and a bright blue sky, for all pure souls who were wronged, and all of those who seek redemption from the darkest of pits. And destroy the empire. The moonchild is not who all its makers think it will be.
You can go to the library whenever you want, you don't need anybody to take you.
>>42297779How do we get there?
>>42292194I remember specifically once years ago I dreamed of a strange library and it had writing outside the door engraved in stone that said: "herein lies the truth". I was partially lucid in the dream and it felt very ghostly
>>42297871The Infinite Library is out there, brothers.
>>42297902Do you really want to read that shit?
>>42297905Shit Faust cares about.
>>42292081Be careful, you are most likely talking to a demon that's trying to deceive you.It literally told you what it offers is hell, just in a subtle way, they have to tell you the truth or else they can't take you and is telling you the truth, it wants your soul, it will take you to hell, literally told you.Also told you to keep living the way you do ( using drugs) so it can manipulate you, apparently open the doors of your mind so anyone can enter, which is why people tend to see entities ( that are usually evil )
>>42292297What of fate and choices that some people to be making all the right ones, and some are absolutely confounded.Do entities affect this completely when it comes to career, love, relationships, outcomes? Or is it a mix or is it completely under humans?Like some get hard concepts so easily, was that influence at birth?
