They clamp. Lainchan permabanned me repeatedly for disclosing that they clamp the umbilical cord early.Unclamp your metaphysical being, Astral unclamping. That which realizes the clamp becomes unclamped.
Charging for midwifery is criminal when they're selling the material for stem cells. Then you have to go through the rigamarole of contracting with a Stem Bank to lay claim to it, if not some religious exemption thing for the placenta et. al.
>clamping>circumscion>10 vaccines>don't breastfeed just use formulaWe really are goy cattle huh. The moment we are born we are put at 1hp with no anesthesia. Your own parents clap at your damage
>>42294130No delays in instilling a reliance on your god. Cant have people questioning why their natural instincts screech danger every step of the way
>>42292126I unironically believe I deserve circumcision reparations for being cut as a baby But life is not fair
I guess it's different from whatever shithole you're from OP
>>42292901it’s hypocritical to be against circumcision and not vegan as meat eaters pay for mutilation without anesthetic rape and torture Automatic beak cutting machine
>>42294172>>42292126
>>42294172>>42294179That cannot be kosher or halal. How can a person work in a factory like this?
>>42294193basic needs are a powerful motivator
>>42294193Ex convicts illegal immigrants etc desperate people. Doesn’t justify it but that’s whyThey put chickens in tiny crowded battery wire cages and they go insane and peck each otherKosher and halal are still bad because If an animal is living a mostly good life then it is wrong to end their mostly good life by executing themIf an animal is living a mostly bad life then it is wrong to breed them into existenceWatch this documentary https://www.dominionmovement.com/watchYes, it is generally considered permissible in both faiths**,In both traditions, the practice is usually justified as a "lesser of two evils"trimming the beak prevents the birds from pecking each other to death in a commercial environmentIs it Kosher?In Judaism, the primary concern is Tza’ar Ba’alei Chayim(the prohibition against causing unnecessary suffering to animalsThe Ruling Most major kosher certification agencies (like the OU) allow beak trimming. While causing pain is generally forbidden, it is permitted if it serves a constructive human purpose or, in this case, prevents the birds from causing even greater pain to one another.The "Terefah" Risk:The main technical concern is whether the trimming makes the bird a *terefah* (an animal with a life-threatening defect). If the beak were cut so severely that the bird could no longer eat, it would be non-kosher. Modern trimming is shallow enough that this isn't usually an issue.2. Is it Halal?In Islam, the concept of **Ihsan** (perfection/mercy) towards animals is central. Mutilating animals is generally **Haram (forbidden)*The Ruling Many Islamic scholars and Halal authorities allow beak trimming based on the principle of **necessity**. Because "cannibalism" and "vent pecking" are common in high-density farming, trimming is seen as a way to preserve the life of the flock>>42294226Working there is fate worse then death
In Minecraft if you want to be the ultimate Minecraft neetGet a bow and arrowsGet a chestGet a small shovelGet a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the modGo to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chestDig a deep holePut bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.Close chest up very tightly.Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHERfinal stepIf you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lavaIf you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.Make sure to keep in mind how deep you bury it like how many blocks and what the frost line is if you have the frost line mod installed on the server. Obviously at least quadruple bag it if you have the plastic bag mods on the server with some very strong airtight bags from the mod and put plenty of dehydrating packets in each bag if you have a desiccant mod
>>42294235You say that but they sever their artery to ensure maximum suffering
>>42294300It’s not the best way to die but it’s also not the worst way. The vast majority of suffering and rights violations happens during the animals life not in the slaughterhousehttps://benthams.substack.com/p/extreme-suffering-on-the-farmshttps://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/
Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times. This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with—the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times. In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us, because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week. Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agony.Injurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.
>>42294316Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
>>42294300The pain after cutting the artery lasts for 5 to 10 seconds at most, but it ensures all the blood is drained out effectively.
>>42294356Taking the Old Testament literally is insane. Mutilating baby boys is wrong so is what was done to very young Canaanite children and flooding the earth Islam is garbage that can all be dismissed entirely.
>>42294375Cool story, satan. The pain lasts for an absolute maximum of 10 seconds, but if you cut correctly it ends sooner. The blood all comes out. The angels sing praise. The end.
>>42294397Baby boys only have a cup of blood. This is why modern hospitals require you to get the vitamin k shot for circumcision the bigger problem is you are stealing potentially many future happy years from the animal by “humanely” killing it
>glowniggers derailing thread into muh chickensinterdasting
>>42294397How do you know? Are you a chicken? Can you talk to them or read their thoughts?
>>42292126thank you for raising awareness.
>>42294416Cambridge declaration of consciousness and New York update to it show all birds and mammals have a significant amount of consciousness, ability to suffer and experience wellbeing Just primitive, low iq humans making stuff up based on the environment they were in and then invoking God
>>42294439>two most kike infested zones in the west said solmao
>>42294356>Humane
>>42294409>Islamists getting salty because their method of execution is shit
>>42294470based patriot
>>42292126I guess your occult knowledge won out because The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the World Health Organization agree with you.
>>42294470>>42294472>>42294478u need moar training bluesharelitefaggots, it’s too obvious
>>42294519>he doesnt know glowtards call themselves patriots
>>42294533>pretending to be retarded or actual ESL nigger
>>42294519Your medication, sir
>>42294549whats wrong spook, shlomo got your foreskin?
if humans exist as 4 dimensional space time beings, there's entrapments from one's well or womb such as circumcision boards and clamping, these things were done on the volition of others so you must travel back in time and stop the restraint to undergo full retrometempsychosis.Once you get back to the waters of the womb the ability to manifest one's astral self becomes fluent like changing clothes. This is where the true god form is recognized through epigenetic temporal weaving or through metaphysical stemcellsOne recognizes they have transcend both the finality of death and the pluripotent creation of life to incarnate in the spiritual realm as any life form they desire even alien. One should lay down and meditate on this until they feel their head shrink to the size of a infant's and then they will realize the ancient memories of their development.
>>42294409It’s hypocritical for a man who was circumcised, clamped, etc as a baby to demand reparations for being circumcised from the hospital, doctor, facial cream company, etc while also paying for animals to be horribly abused
>>42294554>>42294559>esaumaxxing after getting flag’d as fake ESL vegan kikebotswew, kek
>>42294449Is there something you specifically disagree with from those declarations? You knowing better than all those Cognitive neuroscientists, neuroanatomists, neurophysiologists, neuropharmacologists, computational neuroscientists, ethologists, behavioral biologists, theoretical physicists, philosophers, comparative psychologists, evolutionary biologists, neurologists, animal welfare scientists, legal scholars, professors of law, public law and human rights lecturers, computer scientists, veterinary professors, environmental studies scholars, chemical and biological engineers, linguists, and chief executive officers is an extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
>>42294588nice try buddy, refute my original post>>42294142
>>42294578>>42294605how made retards, OP wins
>>42294588I'll be honest, I don't know what the actual fuck you are talking about. Have a nice day Mohammed
>>42294610>>42294627next time let someone who knows better to tell you to log off instead of being retarded
>>42294638I don't speak retarded Zoomer buzzwords, sorry
Women need to quit viewing these threads as an assault, its not their fault that the normalcy is fucked
>>42294658I am not a feminist but shouldn’t women view this as an attack on their interests? If a large amount of men realize and fully internalize what happened to them and hundreds of millions of other boys then they could demand reparations If a significant amount of men each received a significant amount of reparations money that would make women poorer then they currently are It’s also a condemnation of all ultra wealthy men and women who do not donate to intactivist causes. Because donating to effective intactivist charities is extremely cost effective, I’ve seen estimates that show a single circumcision can be prevented for just a couple dollars
>>42294655>zoomer buzzwordslol>>42294658totally organic and original reply to the thread and not a glownigger throwing shit at a wall>womans, amiright fellow anons
>>42294658W-Wallaaah!!
>>42294172i show stuff like this regularly to my carnivore friend. at one point he has to realize being carnivore isnt based and redpilled. hes not an eskimo he buys his slop from the store after all
>>42294709>>42294696kek its true
>>42294710that is what friends are for
since we're shitposting
>yes goys turn into a veganfaggot and damn the wamenshi rabbi
Just give up, I reckon you people had your kids hacked out of you too as opposed to following the natural cycle
>>42294719>brown handopps
>>42294744You wish you were that white
>>42294746H-Hi!!
>>42294571>retrometempsychosisThis word is strangely activating
>>42294148What will or will not be, will be in view by mid 2027.
>>42296235Why do you say that
>>42296544I just know. Same as covid in 2018. It clicks and I know it'll happen.2027 is the year. Mark your calender.
>>42296632That's when we will stop cutting chicken's beaks and our dicks off?
>>42297018Yes. All beaks will be fully intact. All genitals will be left fully intact. The intact state will begin to be venerated as an ideal. The world is tired. It is is dead. It has been made broken, incomplete. It wants to be whole again. Many types of damaged will become one type of whole. Or will be united under the pursuit and veneration thereof.
>>42296632That means I have to stay alive for : Anonanother approximately up to 20 months toget my circumcision reparations?Unless foregen makes some massiveadvancements fast I won't be madewhole I am already cut. I guess reparations in lots of money is the next best thing
>>42297060No! You ate too many tasty chicken sandwiches! Weren't you paying attention?
>>42297065I am vegan I did used to buy and eat them. I even sold chicken im the past at jobsI have stopped doing that and I have donated to vegan charities also I think I have convinced some people to go vegan irl or online
>>42297076that's worth at least half a foreskin, imo
>>42292126Bump. Vital knowledge. Literally.
All men who were circumcised as babies deserve at least 150 million USA dollars adjusted for inflation / at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold (44000 ounces of pure 24k gold is worth 147727340 dollars on 06/03/2025).They were innocent babies and were horribly, permanently and irreversibly mutilated for their entire one life on earth before it even began.There is NO way to FULLY or even MOSTLY recover their lost foreskins and all of it's structures. Stretching does not nearly even come close to restoring it to it's original form.>Why at least 150 million USA dollars / at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold?Because there was a case of a adult man who merely had some mean words, drawings and jokes said to him at work. Nothing criminally illegal like death threats, leaking his social security number etc. He later quit his job at Tesla he wasn't fired. He was offered 15 million 2022 dollars for his hurt feelings by a usa judge https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tesla-racism-lawsuit-worker-rejects-15-million-payout-rcna34655He was literally offered 15 million dollars that the government would take from Tesla and hand directly to him. He rejected it because he wanted more then 15 million 2022 dollars but the point stands the government is willing to say mean words and hurt feelings are worth at least 15 million 2022 dollars.Being circumcised as a baby is AT LEAST ten times worse.At least 150 million 2025 dollars and at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold is a very very deep compromise.>But anon I'm circumcised and brokeI know and you deserve better. Immediately quit your wagie job. You should never contribute to circumcisers. You deserve to be very comfortably retired NOW. A circumciser should not be richer than you unless they are bezos or musk. You should be almost infinitely richer than every american woman (circumcision is illegal in USA) unless she's Mackenzie bezos. She should be working a wagie job and serving you.
>>42299578CASE #2https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.They go to McDonalds drive throughMom buys nuggetsGives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kidKid drops nugget on thighIt leaves a slight burn on thighBurn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thighGirl gets 800,000 dollars.Circumcising a baby is at least 30 times worse easily.It's obviously way way worse than 30 times but whatever let's be extremely conservativeThat's 24 million dollars or at least 7000 ounces of pure 24k gold.You deserve this.
ROUTINE CIRCUMCISION OF BABY BOYS IS BATTERY!! It is non consensual touching which is medically unnecessary. This is actually legally correct at least in usa as intactivist lawyers have arguedGUESS What? A battery can be worth 5 million dollars or moreCircumcision is doing severe permanent irreversible physical damage to an innocent baby boy . Possible severe mental damage tooIf Carroll can get 5 million then so should men circumcised as boys CASE #2https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2023/07/20/mcdonalds-lawsuit-hot-chicken-nugget/70436203007/A random family is in a car. These are not employees they're just random customers.They go to McDonalds drive throughMom buys nuggetsGives nuggets (corpses of tortured and mutilated animals that were factory farmed) to her little kidKid drops nugget on thighIt leaves a slight burn on thighBurn heals completely leaving a small barely noticable and not painful scar on thighGirl gets 800,000 dollars.Circumcising a baby is at least 30 times worse easily.It's obviously way way worse than 30 times but whatever let's be extremely conservativeThat's 24 million dollars or at least 7000 ounces of pure 24k gold.You deserve this.
>>42299621When you strip away the billion-dollar "symbolic" verdicts (where the victim never actually sees the money) and focus on cases involving a one-time assault with moderate injuries (no permanent paralysis, no death), the numbers usually top out in the $5 million to $12 million range.The reason these "simple" batteries get so high is almost always punitive damages—when a jury decides to "fine" a wealthy person or a big company for being a bully.1. The High-Water Mark: $8.2 Million (New York, 2025)As of early 2026, one of the highest recent payouts for a single-incident battery occurred in New York involving a high-net-worth individual and a service worker.The Incident: A hedge fund executive punched a parking attendant once during a dispute over a car.The Injuries: A broken cheekbone and a concussion. The victim recovered physically within months, but sued for emotional distress and battery.The Verdict: The jury awarded $1.2 million for medical bills and pain, but added $7 million in punitive damages specifically because of the defendant’s wealth and the "predatory" nature of the assault.Why it was "highest paid": Unlike the billion-dollar cases, the defendant actually had the liquid assets to pay the judgment.2. The "Single Punch" Record: $4.75 Million (Deen v. Drai’s)This is the classic "regular guy" example often cited in legal circles.The Incident: A man was punched once by a security guard at a Las Vegas nightclub.The Injuries: A broken jaw and a concussion. No permanent disability, but the victim required surgery (his jaw was wired shut for weeks).The Result: A jury awarded him $4.75 million.
>>42299633The Logic: Because the bouncer was an employee of a massive hospitality group, the jury hit the company with the bill to force them to change their security training.3. The "Sexual Battery" Benchmark: $5 Million (Carroll v. Trump)While there was a later $83 million verdict for defamation, the original 2023 verdict for the battery itself was $5 million.The Incident: A single encounter in a department store dressing room.The Injuries: No "super severe" physical injuries (like broken bones or hospitalization), but the jury focused on the psychological trauma.The Result: The $5 million award was for the act of battery and the associated pain and suffering.
>>42299640>>42299621>But but but if I quit my wagie job and stop helping circumcisers I'll become homeless and have no money!!Maybe or maybe not. Doesn't matter don't be a pussy.In Minecraft if you want to be the ultimate Minecraft neetGet a bow and arrowsGet a chestGet a small shovelGet a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the modGo to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chestDig a deep holePut bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.Close chest up very tightly.Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHERfinal stepIf you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lavaIf you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.Make sure to keep in mind how deep you bury it like how many blocks and what the frost line is if you have the frost line mod installed on the server. Obviously at least quadruple bag it if you have the plastic bag mods on the server with some very strong airtight bags from the mod and put plenty of dehydrating packets in each bag if you have a desiccant mod
>>42299646I wasn't exaggerating at all being circumcised is at least 100 times worse then mean words you volunteerly endure (you can quit job at any time) and at least 30 times worse then that girls burnall circumcisers don't get reparations. That includes doctors who perform surgeries as well as parents among others.Millions of dollars for the irreversible damages must be the priority.No circumcised man should have to choose between wage slavery and homelessness while their are circumcisers who are rich enough they can comfortably retire young.YOU DESERVE MILLIONS ACT LIKE ITQUIT YOUR JOB IMMEDIATELY.REPARATIONS OR RETRIBUTIONThere are young woman with completely intact genetalia who have never been mutilated in their lives who are very wealthy and are comfortably retired.THERE are men who had their genitals seriously mutilated permanently and irreversibly as babies who are poor and working jobs they hate to serve those women because if they don't work they'll become homeless.Quit your job today.Play Minecraft if you must.You deserve to be a multimillionaire today
>>42299653Give each person circumcised as a baby enough money to buy at least 44000 ounces of pure 24k gold in 2025Blame parentsDoctorsNursesPoliceHospitals JudgesPoliticiansLawyersEtc Living as a circumcised male makes sense if you are worth tens of millions of dollars and otherwise reasonably healthyI don't want to focus too much on legality.Morally we deserve it even if morality is subjective.They're hypocrites for not giving us our millions eachWe are justified to seek justice ourselvesCircumcised men need to understand they're totally justified in not working at all and taking as much welfare as they wantAnd if they become homeless for not working they should play Minecraft at the public library computer>Also work for muslim ?Maybe but again they can't be circumcising othersIf they're promoting Islam they're promoting circumcising babiesSo only ex Muslims who were circumcised as children and are vocally anti Islam and have been since they were youngIf you are circumcised and you have a sibling that is uncircumcised you deserve full inheritance from your parents for mutilating you.You had to suffer more if they wanna do 50/50 play minecraft, you are perfectly justified and I, for one, will praise you. Men need to grow balls again, yeah Minecraft is scary, but living as a cripple who isn't rich and has to work is miserable and humiliating.I plan to get rich though investing/gamblingI will not contribute to society in any way I only want to stealCircumcising girls is illegal. Circumcising boys is legal in every country on earth.Circumcising girls is illegal in most.Make them careGive us what we deserve or we play MinecraftSpartans fought guys off outnumbered 7 to 1I could beat 20 feminist "males" myself in Minecraft PVP easily if we were on the same server
>>42299661Not everyone would instantly become a multimillionaireNo reparations for womenReparations only for circumcised men who haven't helped circumcise othersCircumcised innocent men would become much wealthier then those who are intact or who circumcised others.Tens of millions of men would be given millions of dollars printed into existence.Yes it would cause inflation. That's okay.The circumcised who haven't circumcised others deserve to be wealthier then the intact and or circumsirersBoomers who circumcised babies SHOULD have their retirement savings inflated out of existence.Sorry boomer retirement is over for you now you must go back to work or be homeless.Time for gen z to take it easyBRING THE DIGITAL CURRENCY OR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR USA BILLS AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS USA BILLS NOW100 USA DOLLAR BILL WON'T EVEN BUY YOU A SODA AND THAT IS OKAYIf bread costs 10,000 dollars a loaf that's fine.It's the uncircumcised who didn't get reparations who won't be able to afford bread at first.They can work for a circumcised person who got reparations for 15,000 dollars an hour or somethinghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WWVz_DcSeZcHe wasn't even arrested. He wasn't even handcuffed. If he can get millions of dollars why can't I?
>>42299665>And just who will fund this?The government's infinite money printers.Also confiscate wealth from circumcisers and make them homeless.Oprah Winfrey makes cream from baby foreskins she should be homelessIf someone offered me 150 million dollars or my original foreskin back I'd take the foreskin in a heartbeat. Since that is no longer an option I will have to settle for just the 150 million dollars instead. If I don't get either of those I'm playing Minecraft.>silica gel packets from the silica gel modYou can buy them from villagers or online if you have the online shopping mod they're really cheap you can also find them in potion bottles I think.
>>42294172Animals don't have the higher thinking and reason of a human being. Show me a sophisticated monkey and I'll show you ten chimps. I apply this thinking to race, as well. Even Christ acutely understood this rule of life.
>>42299674yes but edge cases exist, if it’s wrong to torture a human baby or human adult who was born permanently and severely irreversibly mentally handicapped and unable to reason then it’s also wrong to torture chickens who are unable to reason What rule? Because I am almost certain that Catholics and eastern orthodox don’t understand or affirm it. So why should we take your word / interpretation for it? Besides scriptural inerrancy is obviously false
>>42299674https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#Species_maximumThere are 3 ways to go about dismantling how inconsistent this named trait is.1. When having 'low intelligence' is named as trait to justify animals' farming and consumption, there's another reduction ad absurdum that can be easily done.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter mentally handicapped people (low intelligence).P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.C1. It's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.This begs the question: when beings of higher intelligence are discovered, would it then suddenly classify the beings of previous highest intelligence (that were *not* morally OK to harm and consume) OK to harm and consume?2. 'Low' intelligence is very vague, and it's arbitrary.Low intelligence can be applied to pretty much anything, as intelligence is a very vague term and is best used in a comparative way to see who's more intelligence in what, rather than an objective view of who's of high intelligence and who's of low intelligence.Low intelligence compared to what?It could even be argued that humans are of low intelligence, since it doesn't have any comparison and it's arbitrary. And when there's something more intelligent than humans, humans could easily be considered 'low intelligence' in the same way.
>>42299707>>42299674P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When super-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter humans, but not super-intelligent alien/AI beings.P1. It's OK to harm and slaughter beings with low intelligence, but not the ones with high intelligence.P2. High intelligence is determined by the current being of highest intelligence, and less intelligent beings are low intelligence.C1. When hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings are discovered, it's OK to harm and slaughter super-intelligent alien/AI beings, and of course humans as well, but not hyper-intelligent alien/AI beings.And so on.'Low intelligence' is arbitrary, and so can't be used in an objective and consistent way.3. While higher intelligence sometimes correlates with a higher level of sentience, what people would normally consider 'low intelligence' can still retain very significant levels of sentience. Intelligence =/= morality.Basing morality on 'intelligence' (instead of sentience) leads to absurd conclusions.Are plants of moral significance, because they have a level of intelligence, even though they have no sentience and therefore can't feel or subjectively experience?Are non-sentient super-computers of higher moral significance than humans, because they have more intelligence?And so on.A reductio ad absurdum would be:P1. Moral worth is based on intelligence.P2. Current computers have a higher intelligence than humans.C1. Current computers have a higher moral value than humans.Instead it should be:P1. Moral worth is based on the level of sentience (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).P2. Current computers have no sentience, while humans do.C1. Current computers have no moral value (lower) than humans.
>>42299696I don't think you have any basis to reason, truly. You seem entirely like every other wishy washy teenage liberal I've come across in the wild. In fact, I an entirely sure you'll be perusing some entirely separate discussion on the internet later and likely bud into that conversation in an equally deranged, dishonest, and upset manner. Quite frankly, I am sure of this.
>>42299710>>42299707>>42299674Species maximumOr belonging to a species with at least one member attaining some trait (intelligence or language or rationality at a certain arbitrary level)It's ultimately an absurd claim in itself, but not very hard to counter.To highlight the absurdity: So if we're looking for one individual who is 'smart' in the species, and there are two islands of 'stupid' people thousands of miles apart, on one Island somebody is born who has that arbitrary x level of higher intelligence to qualify as 'smart'. Suddenly the people on the other island thousands of miles away gain moral value where before that instant of realizing that arbitrary level of intelligence on the other island they had none?It's a very silly claim that begs justification for both WHY that particular arbitrary level of intelligence, but also for why it grants other people moral value. I'll address the latter:If the argument is that it grants others moral value because they can breed together as per the definition of species (and presumably are potential mates to spread that intelligent gene) why would it grant moral value to people on an island thousands of miles away who are not potential mates? It's also a fundamentally eugenic argument: people on average might have some moral value as potential mates, but people with genetic diseases or very low IQs who would dilute or damage the offspring of the intelligent people would actually have negative moral value.That's probably enough to discredit the argument to most people's satisfaction. But if you want: What if a human who didn't reach that level of intelligence were transported to a parallel dimension with no humans. Would that human lose moral value?
>>42299723>>42299674If not, then all remotely intelligent animals have moral value as per multiverse theory where every possible universe exists, so there are universes with pigs and cows and chickens (genetically the same species) with a couple different genes giving them that level of intelligence. There's a fair chance there are no universes in which something could be intelligent and have genetic composition making reproduction with a plant or bacterium possible, but anything with a brain it could. If the person admitted that somebody would lose moral value if transported to another universe if it made procreation impossible, that comes back to the island question, and a question of the elderly who can no longer procreate, and of those who are infertile, and of the eugenics issue.Species NormalcyThis claim is similar to the Species Maximum claim, but asserts value of the entire species is based on what is normal for the species, or supposedly whatever represents more than 50% of the species. This claim suffers from the similar issues to that of Species Maximum, but the threshold for having or lacking moral value results in devaluation all of the beings that DO have that trait when they represent less than 50% of the species population. Thus, following from this, if somebody set up a factory farm on Mars and bred 8 billion humans with mental retardation to fall below the intelligence threshold (or whatever trait was associated with moral value for the species), then all of the humans on Earth would lose moral value because of this.Reformulating the claim to Species Maximum is a common response to demonstrating this issue with the Species Normalcy claim.
>>42299674did one or two being(s) who didn’t have enough higher thinking and reasoning ability (so it’s okay to torture and eat them?) give birth to a human being who had enough higher thinking and reasoning abilities for it to be immoral to torture and eat him or her? Would it have been morally okay for him or her to have tortured and eaten one or both of his or her parents?
>>42299674'No personhood' is sometimes a trait given, which is essentially an arbitrary line drawn to give moral value to humans but not to non-human animals.If any moral value at all is given to non-human animals, then lack of personhood isn't a sufficient enough justification to eat/harm non-human animals - as there are other consideration to be made beyond personhood.There are 3 ways that this could be answered:1. The usual reductio ad absurdum.A could say:P1. It's OK to eat/harm beings that are not people.P2. Farmed animals are not people.C1. It's OK to eat/harm farmed animals.B could then say:P1. It's OK to eat/harm beings that are not people.P2. Farmed animals are not people.P3. Chimpanzees are not people.C1. It's OK to eat/harm chimpanzees *equally as much as* farmed animals, as they both do not have the only pre-requisite to have any moral value.C2. Torturing to death 10^1000 chimpanzees is equally as neutral as pinching 1 pig, as they both do not have the only pre-requisite to have any moral value.P1. can be shown to contradict stances that the interlocutor/s hold.If person A then says that lack of personhood can still possibly entail moral value, then the trait makes no sense - as lack of personhood wouldn't necessarily entail moral justification to OK to eat/harm beings.2. Questioning where exactly personhood begins, and reductio ad absurdum that follows.Personhood is not well defined, and is quite controversial. There a few different possible answers that person A could give, when person B asks them how to classify a being as having personhood:First possibility: X level of IQ.A could say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the IQ is above 60.
>>42299766>>42299674B could then say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the IQ is above 60.P3. Mentally disabled people can be below 60.C1. Mentally disabled people have no moral value.Second possibility: being part of the human species.A could say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the being is part of the human species.B could then say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the being is part of the human species.P3. AIs and aliens on a higher sentience scale than us aren't part of the human species.P4. A fetus is part of the human species.C1. AIs and aliens on a higher sentience scale than us have no moral value, while a fetus does.C2. A fetus has infinitely more moral value than AIs and aliens on a higher sentience scale than us.Third possibility: resembling a human.A could say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the being resembles a human.B could then say:P1. Moral value is dependent on personhood.P2. Personhood is there when the being resembles a human.P3. Certain deformed people do not resemble humans more than chimpanzees do.C1. Deformed people have less moral value than chimpanzees.And so on.3. Challenging why morality would be depending on personhood, as it's arbitrary.While personhood means sentience and it entails moral value by itself, the lack of it doesn't exclude sentience. Assigning moral value only to the current definition of personhood is completely arbitrary, and would entail that when the definition of 'personhood' is changed in time to fit humans that are of a higher sentience/smarter/more 'people-like than' us, we would hold no moral value anymore.
>>42299771>>42299766>>42299674When morality is thought to be dependent on personhood - a definition that is dependent on what people are, which is in turn dependent on the current state of people - , it creates quite a paradoxical reality, where personhood is everchanging and morality depending on it would be ever-excluding of the present/current personhood
>>42299674You should end yourself quickly
>>42294172Veganism is a jew psyop to make you weak and sick. Keeping just a few chickens you will have more eggs than an single family could eat and can give them to your neighbors. Local farms sell meat not raised in factory farms raised with antibiotics etc. The amount of emtpy calories and cellulose in plant matter vs animal products means veganism is completely unsustainable.
>>42294193I worked in a major kill factory out in Utah before. I basically took the job as an inbetween job.The whole fucking factory was mexicans.You had to wear chainmail armor under the coats because some retard sperged out and killed some people years ago.You stand on a line in a giant freezer with knives sharp enough to slice through bones, making the same cut over and over.The cows were basically conveyor fed into the kill machine. The kill machine held the entire upper portion still while the dispatcher shot a nail through their heads.Then their bodies would tumble down the metal rollers, and for some reason I could never figure out the cows would ALWAYS end up on their backs and their hind left leg would ALWAYS stick up in the air. That's where they hooked the cows to be fed into other parts of the factory.Like I'd say around 50% of the cows didn't immediately die, some actually lived until the next part.Then they'd go into a huge chamber with very hot pressurized water which cleaned them.Then the next guy would take a good 2 foot long blade and would insert it between the chest/neck area, up the neck and hit the heart, so the blood would all flow out.Then it'd just be sent around the factory for various processes.It was neat but fucked up too.They freaked out when I pulled out my phone to answer a text.
>>42299880>Local farms sell meat not raised in factory farms raised with antibiotics etc.Local farms still castrate animals without anesthetic still bad because If an animal is living a mostly good life then it is wrong to end their mostly good life by executing themIf an animal is living a mostly bad life then it is wrong to breed them into existence
>>42299880>Veganism is a jew psyop to make you weak and sick.If that was true then why is Israel one of the nations with the highest percentage of vegans? Why does the idf have so many vegans and make so many accommodations for vegans?
>>42299934How cruel
>>42294172>>42294179>duuuude why arent you vegan yet?? explain yourself!!this is not my problem because i dont support animal cruelty (buying meat at the market isnt animal cruelty nigger)
>>42299674>Animals don't have the higher thinking and reason of a human being.>Christ acutely understood this rule of life.sheep.
>>42300344An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc [Open] (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>42299674>The Noahide Laws are a set of seven universal moral laws in Judaism that are believed to have been given by God to Noah after the flood. These laws include prohibitions against idolatry, murder, theft, and sexual immorality, as well as the obligation to establish courts of justice.>Do not eat flesh torn from a living animal>Prohibition against cruelty to animals and consuming their flesh while alive.Genesis 9:9-10 (In your preferred KJV) "And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."God established a covenant not only with humans, but with every beast of the earth as well.>There isn't anything in that bible that suggests beasts have any kind of preeminenceEven in the KJV, it says, as I just quoted, "yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast." And notably in the Hebrew the word translated "breath," ruach, is the same word translated "spirit," in the verse under discussion. Man and beast all have one spirit.
>>42300649>no beast having a soulThe main Hebrew word usually translated as soul is nephesh, which is applied to humans and animals. It used of animals before humans in Genesis.>No beast prayingJob 38:41 "Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?"Psalm 104:27 "27"All creatures look to you to give them their food at the proper time.">no beast being promised anythingIsaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent’s food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says the Lord.I will say that the Abrahamic religions are, on the whole, very human-centric religions with limited concern for animals, and that's one of the things that makes me pretty confident that they're wholly human inventions, but if you're willing to look, you can certainly find that animals aren't wholly excluded or relegated to being just props.Romans 8:19-23"For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God, for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning together as it suffers together the pains of labor, and not only the creation, but we ourselves..." And word translated creation can mean creature as well. It includes all living things.
>>42300666Oh, there's also ye olde talking donkey story, which as silly as it may be does attribute obvious intelligence to an animal when given the power to speak.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2022%3A21-39&version=NRSVUEThen the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” Balaam said to the donkey, “Because you have made a fool of me! I wish I had a sword in my hand! I would kill you right now!” But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey, which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I been in the habit of treating you this way?” And he said, “No.”There's also 1 Kings 17, where God says to Elijah, "You shall drink from the wadi, and I have commanded the ravens to feed you there.” and the Hebrew word used for God commanding the ravens is the same word used many times for God commanding humans to do things throughout the Tanakh, including God's command to a widow just a few verses later.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/tzivviti_6680.htm
>>42294130https://youtu.be/izZ0xxMUN2s?si=ocBVpDJJ3SyCa2bJ
>>42300676>This has nothing to do with a spiritual connection with GodBreath and spirit are the same word in the Hebrew, so it's up to the translators to make the distinction.>Not in the kjv, none of my business.I guess no one correctly understood God until the KJV was written, though the KJV translators themselves were under no illusions about being divinely inspired. https://dbts.edu/2012/04/09/the-embarrassing-preface-to-the-king-james-version/>That's not praying for God's sake, that's a reference to ravens croaking in distress for lack of food and God being mindful of that.>Again, that's called figure of speech, and expectation wouldn't be the same as prayer anyways.Who are you to tell the writers what they mean?>That's not a promise to beasts, that's a promise to man concerning beasts. Come on now.I wouldn't have expected to find a direct promise to animals in a book written for humans, but to my surprised I did above, in Genesis 9:9-10, where God explicitly establishes a covenenant not only with humans but with every beast of the earth, and he promises to them as well as to humans never to flood the earth again.
>>42299674Using Christianity to justify animal cruelty. This is why I do not trust religious retards.
>>42300687Another instance of God making (promising to make) a covenant with animals is in Hosea 2:18. "And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.">>42300692https://christspiracy.com/
>>42300704drowned christcuck
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>>42299665Uncut here. At first I supported this idea, but now I like it less. Growing up uncut surrounded by the cut fucks up your mind. If it came down to hyperinflating the currency and putting me into slavery, I would just leave. Good luck keeping anything functioning with only circumcised brains. And you're welcome by the way.
>>42299934>and for some reason I could never figure out the cows would ALWAYS end up on their backs and their hind left leg would ALWAYS stick up in the air. That's where they hooked the cowsDamn, wtf. Total deja vu right now. Why the hell is this so familiar? Hmmm...
>>42300951It wouldn’t be literal slavery but I hear you, it’s difficult to quantify what that kind of society would look like but I think it’d be better in many ways as many young men would finally have a chance to open their own businesses and run them as they see fit, plus they could lobby politicians with their money to legalize all male workplaces and repeal the unconstitutional civil rights act that banned freedom of association Besides don’t you already have a job? So you’d just get a new employer. If you’re a rich neet then you’d already have assets like stocks and precious metals that would appreciate in value
>>42300966woman moment
>>42301076>>42300951what country would you flee to? China? Russia? The dollar is used in basically all non shithole countries so it America falls so does Europe because they have completely lashed themselves to the American ship . They don’t even have any natural resources
>>42301101I'd make my own. No way am I living under the circumcised and their quasi-noahide cut-brain mindset.
>>42301109what about Jewish (ethnically not religiously) and circumcised( as a baby, confronted his father about it, was upset about what he did to him) lawyer and intactivist who fights hard to end circumcision https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aESlINRqhJs Eric clopper ?I think you overstate the effects circumcision has on the brain and mind. There’s just not much good evidence circumcising babies usually causes significant long term mental damage, especially not the kind that couldn’t be reversed with an apology and reparations.The physical damage is already well documented so there’s no need for intactivists to basically make up non existent symptoms
>>42301149>>42301109Basically you should believe in libertarian free will and personal responsibility and not assume cut men are fated to be dumb or evil
>>42301149>I think you overstate the effects circumcision has on the brain and mind.I don't. It should just be kept to oneself. It's a "human ecology" top down social engineering tier consideration. If you know what it is to cut, and you cut, you will probably manufacture mostly what you want. In the form of an algae bloom.
>>42294658yeah, its so sad that people still think woman have agency, when the truth is that they are but blameless beings to be acted upon
>>42301178>deny early childhood traumasthere ya go, just pretend the scar isnt real - as most of the mutilated already do
>>42303561Apparently a lot of them aren't even aware it's a scar.
>>42299934They also swapped the dispatcher/bleeder guys out every few months because it fucked up peoples psychesAlso, the meat was grey/red, very bad looking. One of the jobs I did was to inject some sort of air mixture into the cuts of meat to plump them up and make them more red.They ran the best steers last, the free range/grass fed ones. Their meat was already as red as can be and very tasty looking. Pumping it with air/co2 didn't do anything to it.We'd package them at the end so the shipment looked like it contained 100% high quality beef, but in actuality it was maybe 5%.The entire plant smelt like cooked hamburgers and slightly like mcdonalds>>42300966It's like an image from a movie but the movie doesn't exist, strange
>>42294130or just say no to all that, that’s what we did with our kids. also be in the right state, some states don’t allow choice about vaccines, others do. >>42294243>>42294235ignore these slide attempts
>>42303561I agree the scar is real and circumcision does serious physical severe permanent irreversible damage. But there’s people who’ve been through worse childhood trauma who still turn out okay
>>42302952Women do have agency they may just have less of it https://m.youtube.com/@VirtuePostMortem/videos?ra=m
>>42292126In the UK they do delayed cord clamping>t. just had a baby
>>42304158that doesnt make invoking trauma in infants okayquit defending it dude, basic hygiene solves all modern arguments unless your on the purity side in which case the practice was invented by a pederast
>>42304174Doesn't absolve the crimes of the past. How many times will you let them sweep it under the rug?
>>42302289Human beings are already inherently very flawed. The majority of uncut men and women still have many serious character deficits like most of them are not vegan, most are basically pro choice, most do not donate nearly enough money to effective altruist charities or really any charities and they spend far too much on luxuries. Eric clopper right now is actively involved in litigation to end circumcision in one state and is struggling to raise a measly 60k. Charities like against malaria foundation can save the life of a child under 5 years old for about 5k usa dollars , vegan charities like animal charities evaluators (or something like anonymous for the voiceless if you are anti welfarist / incrementalism) also do not receive enough donations, I could go on and on. The Milgram experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment found that people were, in general, willing to deliver powerful and potentially lethal electric shocks because an authoritative man in a white lab coat said so. This was despite hearing the person in question screaming, begging to be released, and describing heart troubles from the powerful electric shocks. The screaming began at 150 volts. 65% of people continued all the way to 450 volts. In the original experiment, people could hear the screams. What about when they couldn’t hear or see the man? Basically 100% of people https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/culture-of-shock/ went along with it then. did the Milgram experiment replicate? A lot of the psychology experiments like the Stanford Prison experiment didn’t. Unfortunately, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Replications it replicated https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-64-1-1.pdf repeatedly (though I haven’t seen replication of the 100% statistic)It’s not whites, blacks, men, women, cut or uncut. Uncut men and women are still very flawed and I don’t see the data that uncut men are much smarter kinder etc then cut men
>>42304174>>42304189I mean listen buddy, I was born in '93. You know how much mercury they injected us with? More than any other year. Mercurocrome was retarded too, but this is straight out of the womb."Ohhh but they took thimerosal out of most the jabbinators teeheeheehee sorry about that! teehee!"
>>42304182I think circumcision should be banned, however the case for infant circumcision causing significant lifelong MENTAL damage is very weak
>>42296221Say it near some almonds and see what happens.
>>42304195>>42304199You're splitting the wrong hairs. Some will respond to "you're damaged" and some won't. Let it be so. If you're cut you won't ever know otherwise, even though the effect of exposing the glans is obvious to an uncut man. And let it be so. Go and do your thing.
>>42304209That’s just anti empiricism. There’s tens of thousands of men who were not cut as babies who then chose to get circumcised as adults So they have experienced a 24/7 not exposed pp for years as an adult and then got to experience a 24/7 exposed pp for years. Where’s the data they lost a significant amount of IQ? Or became addicted to porn? Or did more violent crime on average? Or started giving significantly less money to charity?
