Why did we come to think the Sky is Heaven when it's just an atmosphere with clouds?
>>42298744Higher is lighter. There is less up there to deal with. Less things. Less problems. T~T
>>42298744Because of symbolism. No one was thinking literally in the deep past. Cognition and subjective experience was fundamentally different.The world was abundant with metaphysical meaning. Higher reality was transparent and directly intelligible through its material symbols.
>>42298744because there is a guy throwing the thunders up there. he must be special somehow, because he found a way up there and can also throw those powerful thunders. and there has to be a reason why he is up there, probably because it is cool up there, just like he is.
Abrahamic religions.Above better, under bad.It was to do with the firmament and the "waters" above.
>>42298744Because it's impossible to explain higher spatial dimensions to simpletons. They need you to point them in some kind of direction they can understand when there is no direction you can point to in physically, only conceptually.
>>42298744Heaven isn't located in the material universe.Also, the pre-industrial era was full of superstition so of course people would think there was a Zeus in the sky.
>>42298744https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_theory_of_truthhttps://robertalthuis.com/hermetic-principles-correspondence/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_signaturesthose are some of the tools they used to build the semiotic link between sky and heaven. you'll also find similar analytical techniques when considering sky father and earth mother semiotic structures and why it is not the other way around, sky mother earth father. in this case, the semiotic structure does not contain elements of gender or duality, so no need for that just yet.so one of the first things the ancients noticed was shadows and how plants could not live in the shadow. the understood the direction of light and the web of life such that we eat the plants, animals eat the plants, and we eat the animals, etc... they also noticed how poop falls down, smells bad, and corresponds to such things. over the course of time, they noticed that animals have certain ugly parts lower on their bodies, even birds, while their more aesthetic parts are above, such as our wild hairdos, feathers, faces, expressions, etc... the more basal things crawl on the ground, similar to how you see some religions view snakes in a negative context because of that.I suspect there is also something about dreams as well, since everyone has some sort of vivid experience of flying in a dream, but how many flying nightmares? how many nightmares in dark cave-like places?after a while, they built up enough of those correspondences between things they noticed that plants with sharp leaves have certain flavors, while plants with round floppy leaves are yet different, but as a group common to each other. from that, astrology and such grew. that became the Doctrine of Signatures, which when you think about it, is a purely abstract version of astrology, looking for the patterns/signatures and indexing them.
>>42298744>Why did we come to think the Sky is HeavenIt WAS, originally. "Heavens" was just the word they used for all the stuff they saw above them when the sun wasnt out.
>>42298744Looks like heaven to me.
>>42298744Heaven is outer space and angels/demons are aliens
>>42298744spirit world is outside the physical universe
>>42299100Are you the anon I talked to like 8 months ago about this stuff? Someone was talking about the rotation component of the scalar stuff. I forget if that was the same guy chatting on next get cubanesThe insiders look like they're moving towards very limited partial/obfusticated disclosure of real maxwell shit, starting in the domains of comms, which is why puthoff has been doing that stuff lately. Lines up nicely with your stuff. And the earliest longitudinal guys were all receiving exoplanetary messages lolNext up could be medicine, trumps med bed tweet, Meyl writes plenty on that too. Disruptive thoughI could see a situation where they announce breakthrough energy tech with intentionally hamstrung OU ratios and make us plebs pay a subscription to keep the economic order going, maybe a stopgap solution for the eventual instability from Hormuz & automation
>>42304482>cubaneyes anon, that is me. you are super fuckin good at this. wow, I mean, wow. there are 4 other anons who can pick me out. you caught me way off guard.I am on the 12k year cataclysm thing now. I heard about it often when I was in the game, but I filed it away in my complete bullshit file. over the years, too many people had the same info, better info, updates to old convo info from people they never met, etc... and now, lots of it online. part of the orbit of the solar system in the galaxy.we probably have 10 years left. if my pal James at Eglin ever raises enough notice to get me out to the south pacific for this whole Point Nemo operation, I'll make triple sure to find your location on Eglinopedia and bring you along, whoever the fuck you are.
>>42304482>rotation component of the scalar stuffthat too. I don't have much more to my professional experience apart from some of the sensor technologies, old missions, scuttlebutt, and some other glowie shit. it isn't really all that much, but I think I've written about all I could and only managed to get traction with about 10 anons along the way. they were like you, could pick up on the technical parts and compare it against what they see in the world.in any case, ditto on most of your ideas about what the next big things will be. I am more or less getting away from it all lately and spending less time on the chans. super fuckin bored and not getting much from being here anymore. I'm at the point where I just want to run the clock out and stick around for the cataclysm. I hate this world so fuckin much.
>>42305727>12k year cataclysm thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Ia_dnMx-c>>42304482you may enjoy watching this. I heard a lot of it back in the day. for me, all the soap opera political theater is insignificant in that context. if the cataclysm is true, then all our lives are just keeping the machine going long enough to prevent total mayhem before the cataclysm, as if it would make any difference.
>>42305802shit. wrong link.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o14caQGCMA
>>42304482>And the earliest longitudinal guys were all receiving exoplanetary messages lol>starting in the domains of comms>>42288792;9)
>>42299095This is a modern view and the result of science dismantling the geocentric model. The response by theologians was to say that heaven was now a non-spatial, immaterial realm beyond the reach of telescopes or physics, conveniently making it impossible to know about.
>>42298744Not all voids are just clouds and many clouds are ships, and kingdoms, and beings themselves using aquatic evaporation technology.Humans are psionic and can feel resonance from living beings. We constantly feel beings in the clouds because they exist there.The leviathan, the dragon.The dragon which lives perpetually within the hyper space realms of humanity…Imagination and thought and dream are symbolized as cloud. Clouds are water. Thought imagination and dream are ruled by Neptune. Heaven itself is a brutal draconic aquatic empire ruled by either our seas or Neptune. In incinerating the dead you give its essence to the cloud. I do not think heaven is a good place but a tyrannical kingdom given rose colored lenses. We are supposed to be buried in the earth. “Hell” is the passion and heartbeat of earth. It is the essence of sensuality, sexuality, and procreation. It is a sex dungeon given nightmare goggles.Digression…The clouds house and are our aquatic overlords. My hunch is that while cloud beings and ships might be benevolent, cloud kingdoms are not.Life is in them, culture is in them humanity has always sensed it.
>>42306014*Not all clouds are just cloudI mean
Depends how deep you wanna go. Wanna go back to the Sumerian tablets and its little green men coming out of the sky. If you wanna go biblical, then it's allegories like watching over us.
>>42298744Because people mistook Aether for Air.
>>42305727good you're still kickin! actually figured out a bit more of the engineering, networked with some folks one of whom is really pioneering the (civilian) superfluid vacuum theory.>>42305802cataclysm would be unpleasant, but i guess it's a deadline to add urgency. Build fun stuff, accidentally buzz Pine Gap's SQUIDs. Perceived risk of getting v& decreases if early warning signs emerge about the pole shift etcbut for some reason, i'm fatalistically optimistic - if even 10% of what i suspect is true, we have bigger problems (and solutions) than geo/cosmic physical stuff. The nature of the soul, whatever the fuck the trantaloids are doing when you do too much gateway, etc. The weirdness is probably going to allow more lenience than we can imagine, provided we figure out how to play ball>>42305760i'll chat a bit more tech in the other thread. Haven't lurked here much since we chatted. maybe i should set up a cron job for 4plebs mentioning these keywords, so anons can do ce5 for non-hertzian nerds
>>42298744How is this thread still going? It's obviously because the gods/angels are always described as descending from the sky (oft times from the sea). Thread should be deleted for low effort.
>>42307478>we have bigger problems (and solutions) than geo/cosmic physical stuffditto. you're fatalistically optimistic, I am fatalistically curious. spending more time sifting through the mountains of bullshit in terms of esoteric material. more or less settling down now on the concepts in chaos mathematics as the only decent effort so far to build a mathematical framework which best represents reality, sort of why those links above were so ready at hand. I didn't find what I was looking for in chaos magic, mostly because of all the beating off to make spells happen or whatever. either way, it is fuckin impossible to get good writings on any of it because of so many edgelords writing silly shit. I am just waiting for 40 more years to run out so I can leave this world behind.>trantaloidsheard that one occasionally but haven't put any effort into looking around. anything you would recommend as a first look at it?>figured out a bit moresuper cool, anon. always glad to hear someone get enthusiastic about something new to study and such.
>>42307484Your reply is low effort
>>42305891This. The heavens are basically the stars.
>>42304064Nope. It goes from spirit to physical, in a progressive manner. Chain of manifestation.
>>42306602>Sumerian tabletsFakes, like all archeological "artifacts".
>>42309709You got it backwards, the spirit world was created when the first material consciousness detached from its deceased body
normies seriously can't into understanding why people would symbolize higher dimensional spaces and functions with localized symbolic material representing the same core qualities, but with physical and direct means rather than abstract and metaphysical... Er, hylic much?
>>42298821Nothing at all has changed except the controllers got greedy and ensured the system would maintain deeper division and ignorance in the people. I bet you still think the old world was England, Rome, Greece, or Tartaria.
>>42305891No it isn't. You can read ancient half-thousand page Greco-Roman and Egyptian treatises from the Hellenic era, and many directly acknowledge the symbolic nature of their belief systems. Unless you simultaneously believe Platonism is a fruit of revisionist history you've come across a major hiccup in your understanding of theology. Or you just listen to church dogmatists who know absolutely nothing about these topics because they spent a dozen years in college studying ministry instead.
>>42307534trantaloids is what some CE5 guy i know calls the mantids. they seem to be ubiquitous as high-level overseers, researchers. Often described doing "psychic surgery" on breakthrough DMT/psilocybin trippers. Could they be the evil loosh archons? Sure, but I think a lot of us would get on the ships regardless if they fix our back pain/cancer etc. I figure they're like a mixture of lab researcher, veterinarian, game warden and politician.>chaos stuffI never bought much into that, maybe my understanding is naive; seems like it's deliberately hard to reproduce, mechanisms are obfusticated. Prefer to go for things with clearer engineering principles, the kind of shit that Pais overcomplicates or that other guy from ORNL patented. I do feel like the mental occult stuff might work to a degree though, brain is hardware too.It's a really weird era between public/private right now, with people like Sonny White openly espousing stuff about the vacuum that would upend oil reliance, it feels like "the line" is shifting but who the heck knows where it's going
>>42298744Birds are coolWorms are gross
