>>42300071
Because it bases itself on limitations that makes no sense
Vegetarians have more things because they simply dont eat meat
Carnivores on the other hand simply don't eat vegetables or fruits

But those two in question can give you some vitality and isnt as limitating
Now veganism always felt slightly too forcedz its sub niches even more making even BIGGER limitations for no reason at all, all they do is morally preach too.
For me, i never felt well seeing those people
And i like to eat everything, lol

>>42300071
civic admissibility laws and trans-paradoxical lawyers would defend her as a product of her upbringing. Since the concept has been stated before, why are you being antagonistic? Does their death seem to you like an "easy dunk" in the case you're trying to "make a point?" On good faith, I assume you are not. If you only took a few minutes to examine the image you'd see she clearly suffers from anorexia though fruits are high in sugars.

>>42300071
>Carnivores on the other hand simply don't eat vegetables or fruit
Everybody that ends up following a carnivore diet eventually ends up having to incorporate fruits in order to stay healthy.

>>42300122
Not OP here but i forgot to add that in my own comment
I think the best is to just eat most things that arent processed

My only case to be agaisnt anything is seeds, but even them you can get some uses

>>42300106
>in the case you're trying to "make a point?" On good faith, I assume you are not.
I was planning on going straight raw food vegan for all three reasons I stated in my opening post, but things like this make me have to pause and reconsider.

>>42300143
You don't have to do it permantly OP

Coukd just be a test or some kind of thing you do from months to months

>>42300101

>Because it bases itself on limitations that makes no sense

How does not eating animal products not make sense?

>>42300185
Because plants and fruits themselfs are all filled to the brink with processed things and even nutrionaly, without the help of even MORE synthetic things, it is no good.

Vegetarians can have milk and eggs for example, they don't suffer of this at all, but vegans do and they constantly use syntethic nutrients or vitamins to keep their health in check, even them the effects are pretty clear.

>>42300151
If it doesn't work out, I was thinking of compromising with a sort of lacto-fruitarian diet by supplementing the fruits with milk and other milk-derived products like cheese and yogurt. It would be nice to hear from vegans on /x/ how they hold up on the diet long-term.

>>42300071
It's one of those things low iq people shouldn't get into. Get the protein requirement and avoid nutrient deficiencies. Idiots will mess that up.

>>42300203
Its less about "eating animals" and more off "every animal product'

Which is why, again, i mentioned vegetarians as one that is not suffering these

>>42300071
How does it make sense anatomically or spiritually? Ethically, I think I get, since you just need to kill a ton of animals to make plantations but don't need to create a industrial hell for animals with just a lifelong of suffering for generations just to make poison food

>>42300214
What was she doing wrong?

>>42300213
That could work, but i cant stress enough how good eggs would be to you too OP

Within that framework i think tou can keep a mostly healthy life style without problems, add some vegetables too and it is very good
I would not do it, but it wont affect your health

But thats on your objective though

>>42300203

>Because plants and fruits themselfs are all filled to the brink with processed things and even nutrionaly, without the help of even MORE synthetic things, it is no good.

I mean most storebought stuff leaves a good bit to be desired, but animal products are not free from this either plus they ate already not supposed to be eaten by humans.

>Vegetarians can have milk and eggs for example, they don't suffer of this at all, but vegans do and they constantly use syntethic nutrients or vitamins to keep their health in check, even them the effects are pretty clear.

So do you believe vegetarians are living solely on eggs and milk? Lol!!!

>>42300224
>So you think vegetarians are solely living on milk and eggs
No... I just said they are not limited and have alot of options to keep healthy and avoid such syntethic things

>Animal products are not free from this either.
True, you gotta be carefull the quality and where you buy these things too, i agree on that

>>42300220

Humans are built more like herbivores. The teeth and gut specifically.

>>42300224
You dont share the same digestive system with these animals

>>42300231

IDK, vegans have a ton of options too. There are tons of natural, nonanimal products too anon. Loosing out on eggs and dairy is not that big of a 'blow' imo.

>>42300231
Theres also things like honey or pollen that helps alot to feed the proper nutrients and minerals without having to eat meat at all
Royal gelly is nice too

Again, alot and alot of options.
Vegans cut all those since it is ALL animal products(maybe not pólen though, but thats up to them)

>>42300071
They don't do it properly lmao, most of them don't track their diet, they don't consume mushrooms and fungi, they don't really eat seeds, etc

>Decides to be vegan
>eats only simple salads and drinks carrot smoothy
>develops countless health probem
>"Gosh its that Dham vegan deit"

And this is coming from a non vegan; only because i want to consume meat so I can consume some of the qi within the juices of the meat

>>42300242
I dunno about that desu, every single vegan i met never looked very healthy to me
But i did met vegetarians that werent lacking at all
Specially if is the fruit vegan, which is even MORE limited(like the woman in the OP image)

>>42300236

You mean like cows and deer? Sure, but there are different types of herbivores and plant products. We do not have to force ourselves to only eat greens.

>>42300243

Pollen collected from the flower is vegan.

>>42300220
Humans' anatomical and physiological makeup bears far less resemblance to carnivores and more to herbivores. Spiritually, there has to be more positive spiritual intent/karma or whatever you want to call it associated with killing and eating a creature that is clearly trying to run away and terrified right before you slaughter it to devour than consuming a substance like fruits, which a plant or tree deliberately manufactured with the intention of providing sustenance to another creature with zero bloodshed, pain, or struggle.

>>42300257
Again, i would consider that too
But i wont know which ethics the vegan in question is doing, but if they use it, more strength to them is one of my favorite things to use on my diet

>>42300258
Eh, i dunno
Always felt we are much more of a mixed thing than more than one thing or the other

I hunted before and it felt pretty good, we killed the animal in the best way we knew too, didn't felt wrong at me at all

>>42300272
>I hunted before and it felt pretty good
It felt good from your perspective alone, not the animal's. With fruits, both the tree and the fruit eater benefit.

>>42300232
We have? I though that our gut was more like a carnivorous, and I always see very primitive society eating all meat diet sometimes

>>42300071
They dont eat enough fat. Its the most important part of your food and they cut it out entirely. These people are so obsessed with being slim and pretty for instagram pictures they forget how much they destroy their bodies if they go just a couple weeks with distrupted hormone production.

>>42300283
Sure but Just "felling" good inst the ene all be all
It is also about helping everyone else in there too, me talking such hunt not only helped me but my family too
If a predator kills a prey it helps him, the soil ans everything around that body that died too

Same again i would say it is about intention, i didn't hunt the animal for pleasure alone and left its body there, i hunted it and them made use of it in every way i could to help me and those around me, same for a huntet that kills the prey, it is not doing it for the fun of it but to eat.

But again, maybe my perspective is simply not compatible with yours and if thats the case i can only wish you fortune on your life anon

>>42300297

No, most carnivorous animals have shorter guts to pass the food through more quickly as it tends to rot.

>>42300320

Yeah, but the thing is it is pointless if you already have things like fruits and veggies. Sure it feeds you and others, but unless you guys are in a famine or are a carnivorous species, it is really only for the trill of the hunt and the dopamine the meat gives you.

>>42300333
I cant really agreed on that specially when meat gives much more with much less (and in bigger quality) than vegetables when it comes to pure nutrients, which is why i wont ever become a vegetarian or vegan
But nor will i be a carnivore because there is things fruits and vegetables have goods upon which i will also use.
But again, each to their own, more strength to you and your path

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>>42300232
Veganism/vegetarianism is purely a product of mass industrial agriculture just like the modern slop diet and could not sustainably exist widely otherwise. You should kys for promoting such retardation.

Humans are omnivores and always have been.
Strict vegan diet leads to malnutrition.
Fish, eggs, colorful fruit, sweet potatoes, highest nutrient density foods, can also be grown in small gardens.
Duckweed and azolla fish ponds give maximum green manure, there is fungal based manure as well to replace industrial fertilizer. All sewage and food waste can be sent through biodigester systems which output methane for energy and sterilized output for manure.
Meat products can be grown without animal slaughter, replacing industrial farming.

>>42300071
We are omnivores. Accept this.

When you need more than plant protein.

Need eggs fish and chicken otherwise you'll be vitamin deficient

>>42300410

>Veganism/vegetarianism is purely a product of mass industrial

So I guess Jains and many Indians in general are totally recent vegetarians. Lol, lmao even.

>>42300537

>Meat products can be grown without animal slaughter, replacing industrial farming.

In a lab?

>>42300348

So would you be okay with a monster killing you if they had better choices as long as they ate you?

>>42300537
>Meat products can be grown without animal slaughter, replacing industrial farming
Yuck. Real meat is better than fake meat.

>>42300859
Did the animal not defend itself either, why would i not?
For you do not be sadden when a hunter is killed by the prey, so i do not have any moral judgment in defending myself
There is no passivity, only active action
If i cant and die, then i die, would i hold animosity to the lion that killed me? No, i will be dead and whenever in spirit i will be i wont be looking bad at the lion, he did his, i tried to defend myself and if i failed, i failed.

>>42300071
Been doing it for 30 years. She probably missed some necessary ingredients.

>>42300885

>Did the animal not defend itself

Kinda hard when you use guns or bows.

>>42300923
It is things we made and thus our tools no? Or is monkeys using sticks and improvised spears wrong now?
Why would i consider the own human prowess in making things as wrongs as the lion's physical superiority.
It takes skill and brain to properly use them and thus i am being a fair player with my fair capability

>>42300071
>Anatomically
No. Vegetal proteins suck compared to animal proteins. You also need B12 and a bunch of other stuff you either can't get in significant amounts from fruits and vegetables or would need an absurdly varied/careful diet to obtain without meat
>ethically
Made up stuff that has nothing to do with the biology of your body
>spiritually
Same

>>42301115

Bs

Also, this is /x/, not r/atheist.

>>42300071
Raw vegans and fruitarians are a small delusional subset of vegans, not a representative sample of them. God invented cooking for a reason.

>>42300824
>more shitskin cope
Typical

>>42301337

What cope??? Lol, you/that anon was wrong, all there is to it.

>>42301115
oh my science, kudos ser you have my stickers!

We are omnivores.
Low IQ retards argue "we're more like herbivores! We're more like carnivores!", we have traits/physical adaptations of both because we're build and supposed to eat from both sources.

Different genetic lineages may lean to this or that side - various inuit groups will maintain health living off animal products far more, similarly descendants of mongols will find some truth in belief of their ancestors who claimed that part of their vitality and prowess was based in diet of dairy and meat over primarily grain diet of their opponents.
On average though, the healthiest person will eat from all sources, it's the proportions and quality of ingredients and methods of their preparation that matters.

>>42300071
>Anatomically, ethically, and spiritually, it makes sense.
I'd question it makes sense ("anatomically" part was already mentioned, but even ethics and spiritual aspects are not as clear-cut as vegans would claim) and even if we'd agree on that flawed premise - all kinds of flawed, unworkable ideas "make sense" on paper, doesn't mean they are practical and bring good results.
Modern picky eaters will argue from the standpoint of ethics and spirituality, while the very ancient founders of thos ethical and spiritual doctrines tended to be omnivores - veganism as it is is relatively modern invention, pretty much only truly practiced by those living in countries and societies developed and rich enough to provide stable variety of goods allowing such a lifestyle.

On top of those severe problems, veganism is primarily a social movement of holier-than-thou, largely clueless people building their public persona around it and pushing it onto others. Or, in more crude terms: insufferable twats. That is not the most important reason for why veganism is questionable, but it is one of the main reasons why it's infamous.

>>42300071
maybe it doesn't make anatomically, ethically, and spiritually sense and you should reevaluate how much of those topic you truly understand and how much is you projecting what you wish those are

>>42300325
our guts still resemble the ones of carnivorous, specifically mesocarnivours, that it does herbivors

>as it tends to rot
no, it doesn't

NTA
>>42300824
>So I guess Jains and many Indians in general are totally recent vegetarians.
Jains ARE vegetarians since ever. They do consume dairy. On top of that there is a difference between Mahavratas and Anuvratas (different sets of vows) which underline different levels of severity in adherence to the rules on top of some of these rules being now considered untenable or impractical (not eating food stored overnight of longer, for example). There's also cases of people suffering health issues trying to follow Jai vegetarianism.
Indians in general aren't vegetarians. Eating meat is prominent in the culture, there's just restrictions on types of it.

Leave it to tripfag on anonymous board trying to stroke their ego to be clueless about things they talk about, just because they're deadset on pushing their ideology they built their stance around. I remember you from previous threads about veganism and you were as much a brainwashed activist there. Shameful.

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It's quite literally the NWO diet, they want everyone to be a malformed homunculi like the rest of india

>>42301884
The chubby dude looks like he's guzzling seed oil. I guess it's technically.vegan but damn is it not doing him any favors.

>>42300071
The significance of food consumption is really divorced from nutrition in her culture.

>>42301884
this dude is vegan too how about that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KUO7iOnwC4&t=3s

>>42301869

What the cluck are you on about? I was saying that the anon calling veganism/vegetarianism a recent thing was wrong. Heck, the Bible speaks of veganism.

And I never said all, just alot more than in the rest of the world.

>>42301822

>veganism is primarily a social movement of holier-than-thou, largely clueless people building their public persona around it and pushing it onto others. Or, in more crude terms: insufferable twats

>Anon ignores the fact it is typically nonvegans harassing vegans and not the other way around.

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Sorry to go off topic but this is the closest thread to anything diet/cleansing related and I didn't want to start a new thread. I've been on the Cosmic Death Fungus Protocol for about 2 weeks now. I started urine fasting 24 hours ago. I also took turpentine every other day for a week. I had some massive liquid bowel movements a few times. With the urine I've had a lot of BM's as well. Anyone else go through this experience? I've been trying to fix gut issues like severe bloating/gas, and also lethargy and anhedonia. I'm just hoping there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

>>42302244

You drink urine?

>>42300071
If the diet was going to kill her, it would have done it in a year or two. Something else got her.

>>42301357
No, you just read into my words
What you wanted to and i dont care enough to waste time arguing with your shitskin cope. What i meant was its not sustainable for large population without massive industrial agriculture and at that point theres no difference between meat/veg diets the literal only reason to do it is if you buy the propGanda its “healthier” or you are a faggot that thinks animals are more important than plants, which are also conscious and suffer etc. also we ate NOT designed more like herbivores, that’s provably false. Saying we are anything other than omnivores is a bold faces psuedoscientific lie.

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Reminder that the carnivore and omnivore agenda is 100% reptilian ops to corrupt the human spirit and bring us low, to be like them.
Every spiritual tradition worth its salt talks about the soul-level dangers of eating meat. The bible doesn't mention meat consumption until post-flood.
Wake yourself up or trap yourself in this reptoid prison for eternity. The choice is yours.

>>42300071
> Why does veganism fail?
Because of the quality of the food in West.

We are lacking good biological food without GMO, that growth directly from the sun and not under a lamp.

>>42302244
>severe bloating/gas
bro sounds like you got some ibs/sibo going on. stop the slop, get on low whole carbs. maybe even cut out all the starches and get proper probiotics into your gut. the ones that can literally genocide bad microbials

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>>42302487
Yeah I think I have some nasty microbiome stuff going on. I've cut out booze, processed food. I basically just eat raw ingredients that I cook myself. Occasionally I do have some hard candy like Werthers Originals due to weakness. I immediately start bloating with gas and farting non stop. I'm reading about Florastor. Is it really that simply, take this OTC stuff and watch what you eat and it goes away? Any recs on the proper probiotics I could use?

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Because the people who want you to stop eating meat are aiming for a global depopulation scheme.
The people who want you to stop eating meat by replacing it with fake meat and putting bugs in your food are not going to stop eating meat themselves and they would never put a bug in their own mouth.

>>42302540
Do you eat the sugar free Werthers?
That and other sugar free candies literally contain a chemical that functions like a powerful laxative. I learned this the hard way.

>>42302540
No. If you have small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, it’s tough to get rid of. Even when you think you’re eating the right things, you’re probably feeding the bad bacteria in your gut. For example, prebiotics that are high in FODMAPs will just make you more bloated and gassy.
You can try this guy's yogurt. You have to ferment it yourself, its easy tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feaEB81-zb8
https://youtu.be/Xwo9p0ynWbQ
but look up everything about sibo, what causes it, what feeds it, why does it occur

>recs on the probiotics
Lactobacillus reuteri
Lactobacillus gasseri
Bacillus coagulans
and anything fermented from sauerkraut to kefir to kimchi as much as you can

>>42300071
Veganism is based off delusion and believing in lies will always lead to destruction.

>>42302331
It's the opposite. Vegetarians taste better to them and so they are psyopping people to think that meat consumption corrupts the soul to deceive people into becoming vegans.

>>42300071
Your body ends up in pain when it's malnourished. It's screaming for what i wants. Imagine denying yourself and persisting through the pain willingly until literal death.
I can't imagine.

Been vegan for over 10 years, started as a young teen and genuinely get compliments on my health/ youthfulness every time someone finds out my age. The key to veganism is not to restrict with the things you can have and to make homemade food, bread etc. as much as humanly possible. No I’m not gaunt or emaciated and I don’t care if others eat animal products. Happy to answer any questions

>>42300131
whats wrong with seeds

>>42301989
Notice how they simply ignore this?

>>42300221
Not eating a huge amount of nuts and beans every day. B12 supplements required too.

>>42302313

>No, you just read into my words

>I.e I called you out on your bs

>>42303505
Morning migga, you guys still talking here aye
Bless y'all

>>42302998
I dont like the anti-nutrients and poisons seeds has, specially seed oils
Sure you can prepare it well and avoid all those, but i avoid it all together, never missed it

>>42302331

>Reminder that the carnivore and omnivore agenda is 100% reptilian ops to corrupt the human spirit and bring us low, to be like them.

Thanks for mentioning this. I always thought meat eating was reptilian/ghoulish propaganda, especially the carnivore diet. They say that humans are meant to eat meat, but our biology says otherwise.

>>42303512

I do prefer fruit oils more, but it is harder to get them.

>>42303516
If thats the case then i might be a reptilian
But i am not that good in the reptilian agenda to do jokes about it
Sigh....

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>>42300071
FFS just have an egg every few weeks or some friggin feesh broth ?

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>>42300232
I must be part Saijin(Pointy ape/hominid mollars and teeth except front ones).

I'm flexitarian. slit eye people glare and say I have a differing scent, I lean closer to vegetarian(Not gonna lie pepperoni, spec and pastrami can be tasty).

I can say the word that reptiles can't kinnigan and lack a lizard brain when I had a brain scan as a kid for sinus migraines.

>>42300122
Even horses will munch on chicks if they feel they're lacking some nutrients they can get that way.
We're omnivorous for a reason. You don't need to stick to any one diet. If you learn to listen to your body you will easily end up with a customized diet of your own.

>>42301989
>>42302988
What did the lady in the OP pic do wrong?

>>42300071
>Cherry picks an "influencer" as evidence.
Social media was a mistake.

>>42301891
he's a faggot and a pedo too. Which is the main reason for me to think of veganism as infamous

>>42303505
Said the faggot liar shitskin who says we have the guts of herbivores. Do you really think I meant vegetarianism never existed before industrial agriculture? Are you really that pathetic that even after I explained what I meant you still need to cling desperately to your pathetic little “gotcha” moment? Vegan niggers are such weakminded little tools they are so insecure. You say its always non veg attacking veg but on this board I see the opposite. No one ever brings up diet except you niggers to say anyone who doesnt follow your gay cult diet is “less spiritual”, a reptilian, hypocrite, or whatever schizo bs their damaged brains decide to shit out that moment…

>>42300071
>Anatomically, ethically, and spiritually, it makes sense.
No it fucking doesn't and you're retarded for thinking otherwise.

>>42300834
>>42300877
Grown in bioreactors. Look and taste identical to meat, it would be more ethical than industrial farmed animal slaughter. Also potentially less expensive, less land and energy needed. One of the technologies useful for space colonies.
Strict veganism generally does not provide key nutrients.
Also, raw vegetables offer less nutrients than cooked, probably why she was malnourished.

I have compassion for animals, but enjoy meat. Growing meat from cell cultures rather than animal slaughter is an ethical improvement. No animal suffering involved.

>>42300071
that was just anorexia with extra steps. vegans are never healthy looking and smell weird.
just eat a balanced diet of fresh real foods home cooked.
we are omnivores, we have certain sharp teeth and walk upright for a reason, to hunt in tall grass and eat meat. to do anything else is to deny to it very being and how you were made.
it would be like walking on your hands and feet bent over because being upright is unfair to all the four legged animals, that’s how stupid veganism is.
>>muh factory farming
ok, shop local from a rancher or small farmer, from hunters or hunt for yourself, fish.

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>>42303991
Especially fish, just be vegetarian and do the old mariner trick ice cubes in seat water bucket put em to sleep.

It's just giving them a knockout, been doing it my whole life I literally fish for all the bonito tuna I can eat.

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>>42303959

Lots of words to say "I am mad Migga pointed out my lie."

Vegetarian and veganism are not new concepts. Has nothing to do with modern farming. This is the same tier of bs as people saying that vegetarian/veganism is a 'privileged' diet, even though rice, lentils, beans, etc. are staple proverty foods.

>>42304010

Fish is not vegetarian. Pescatarian you mean. And how does ice do anything but make them suffer more? Just end them on the spot.

>>42300071
because you arent supposed to eat exclusively one way. even Buddhists allow meat, just not the slaughter of the animal by yourself or from another. all things in moderation.

>>42300071
Highschool biology levels of nutrition will tell you that your requirements are hard to fulfill if you don't balance your diet. Look at all the vegetarians struggling with high cholesterol.

>>42300071
Technically it is possible to be vegan and not be malnourished but this bitch did it wrong
"Fruit only diet" should've consumed more nuts and seeds
Then again, those omega 3 ALA/EPA/DHA conversion rates are highly inefficient, which is why humans should just eat red meat and fish. Veganism is a difficulty mode that doesn't need to be necessary

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>>42301989
>>42303039
Did he grow up vegan? Was he vegan during his formative years? Or is it a relatively recent development in his life? With enough juice you can eat nothing but cookies and still get jacked, off cycle he is nothing impressive and steroids are bad for your health and longevity regardless

>>42300071
failure is the natural state. Success is rare, hence why copying is so popular.

>>42300101
Activist level veganism is virtue signaling. The same psychology behind black lives matters etc...
I have some proof. When you say to a vegan activist that you intend to reduce meat consumption, or become vegetarian, they don't care, and judge you even more, since for them, eating even one animal a year, is too much. Also, if you said it's good to at least eat seashells, for basic animal nutriments, they will answer that the seashell has sentience as well, and that we don't know what it fells like. So for them, it's 100% Vegan, right now, or nothing. Which is obviously counterproductive if the goal is to reduce animal suffering.
Also, vegans hate vegetarians with a passion. They hate vegetarians more than meat eaters.

>>42301989
Yes you can do this as a "vegan" if you drink half a dozen shakers of rice/pea protein a day, plus the usual steroids and artificial dietary supplements.
But i'm not sure it is healthy in the long run, nor is it natural.
Also looking jacked as a vegan =/= than being healthy on the long run.

>>42300071
It threatens capitalism so "they" plant bad actors to poison the reputation of veganism to keep people sick, fat, and broke. Meanwhile a certain west asian country is the most vegan developed country on earth with one of the healthiest populations.

>>42306041
I don't think vegans frankenfood threatens Capitalism.
People will go from shit meat injected with steroids and antibiotics, to shit vegan processed food, with tons of additives. Hell even mcdonalds propose a vegan burger.

>>42306021
well is being a bodybuilder healthy on the long run? many older bodybuilders like Arnold shift to healthier more sustainable diets, often as a direct response to health issues

>>42306236
I'm not referring to processed food though, but a diet consisting majorly of whole plant-based foods. They started demonizing fasting for the same reason when it used to be largely recommended by doctors to cure most ailments, but fasting is free so we can't have people knowing how beneficial it is and they can do it anytime at home.

>>42306021
Everyone needs to supplement nowadays because our food no longer has necessary nutrients on their own. This applies to vegans and nonvegans alike.

>>42302331
The very first stories of the old testament included it wtf are you talking about. Cain and Able.

>>42302244
Bloating and gas is predominantly caused by eating something you're not good with.
For fasting, don't drink urine, just water. Make sure to get electrolytes past day 3 if going long term.

>>42306683
Few people ever back this is up with more specific knowledge. Supplement what? Just a multi vitamin?

OP, in my limited experience I feel like a major reason people suffer on these diets is due to a feeling of restriction. "I can't eat X ;( " rather than simply not wanting to eat X without bothering with the label.

And it's this feeling of restriction that manifests ill effects on the body.
At least this is my near conclusion after attempting a vegetarian diet (still on it). In the future I will definitely limit meat products, but I don't think the answer, for me, is zero.
Did you know Jains don't eat eggs due to animal exploitation? Despite foul eating them even if left alone? Egg farming is bad and all, but even in your own backyard it's deemed a no-no. Even garlic and onion. That one isn't even ethical but rather because it might "excite the passions".
Even with a perfectly balanced awareness of supplement and nutrition, it just... doesn't feel right to me.

>>42300071
>So why do adherents end up like this?
For the same reason that the christians are the way they are, cognitive dissonance. Look it up.

>>42300071
Because biology trumps morality

>>42306827
>Supplement what? Just a multi vitamin?
B12 mostly. It's often falsely believed to be sourced from meat and fish, but it's a bacteria found in nature that the animals consume and thus you more easily find B12 in meat products but even meat is technically fortified with B12 versus being a source of it.

>>42300071
Gnomes that are capable of shrinking size where they actively molest the red blood cells in your body for food. Gnomes in the vegetables in your blood. Non kosher Meat just makes them break the curse of the werejew and they go back to stealing socks, coins, and the occasional cat

>>42300071

Unironically because they don't know how to practice veganism, and I don't blame them because it is insanely difficult to do, and because for it to work practically, you need to travel long distances.

So for example, you need B12 in order to make this feasible, I am not including mushrooms because frankly they have more in common with animals than they do plants, so the only practical source of that are specific seaweeds, which, you need to start with raw seaweed unfortunately otherwise you will not obtain the bacteria needed to process them. If needed there are probiotics that contain the correct bacteria needed to process seaweed.

Another thing needed is also Hyaluronic acid as well, aloe Vera is needed to make that feasible.

You need several other plants to gain the full range of required amino acids, you still need phytochemicals from herbs that act as controls against GI infections, mainly bacteria or fungi.

And now the more difficult part, for each food you eat you have to plan which ones should be used together and which ones shouldn't, based on their nutrients, anti-nutrients, oxalate content, accounting for hormonal changes with each plant you use (saw palmetto and red clover are good examples), accounting for bio-accumulation from staying on one species of wild plants or herbs for too long (licorice is a good example), using plants that modulate sirtuin activity, and a whole laundry list of general rules when planning to make a vegan diet.

Would it be possible? Yes. There isn't a reason why you wouldn't be able to utilize the nutrients or change them (with fermentation for example) in order to make them usable for your plan.

Is it practical or easy to do? Not at all.


>>42302464

This. Industrial agriculture is not optimized for nutrition, it is optimized to create as many calories as possible. Something as basic as magnesium is something you won't get enough of just because of this. You need wild plants.

The answer is simple.

But what would you do with it?

>>42307807
Well assuming lab-meat doesn't become a thing, you would be orders of magnitude more energy efficient if you just ate plants instead. And they're also everywhere. But that's just something that doesn't benefit you personally as much.

I guess the main benefits to you would be a deep knowledge in botany and biochemistry, and frankly, if things go completely south, It's very useful to be able to know how to forage for food in the middle of nowhere in a forest. That's what I would consider to be practical. If you're eating plants, and only plants, you should know a LOT of different species and you should be aware that your produce from the groceries is not going to cut it.


But unless you're doing that and take it to a level where it's actually practical and genuinely helpful? Yeah. The answer is nothing.

>>42307991
Thats a lot of words anon but you did not actually address my post directly at all

If - Hypothetically speaking - you could make sense of the obvious pattern of failure vegan lifestyles seem to have, what would that moment of understanding result in?

>>42300101
>And i like to eat everything, lol
Including dicks?

>>42308010

I mean it's obvious what I'm trying to say, but the point is, they're retarded. The vast majority of vegans are very bad with biochemistry, and have no idea how to build a vegan diet without killing themselves.

And no, you can't make sense of their patterns or reasoning. Because they are in that position because of a complete lack of any reason at all.


The practical reason to become vegan is to be energy efficient and to be able to use food sources majority don't know how to in various parts of the world.

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>>42308077
I'm not trying to be difficult here anon but you its obvious how you did not actually address my post directly at all... again.

So lets break it down slow style.

>I mean it's obvious what I'm trying to say, but the point is, they're retarded.
This is a statement of your opinion on the mental state of Vegans, but not contains no verbs or information as to what you would do with the answer to why veganism fails.


>The vast majority of vegans are very bad with biochemistry, and have no idea how to build a vegan diet without killing themselves.
This is a staement of your observations on vegans, their bad biochemistry and low IQ, but again does not contain any verbs or information as to what you would do with the answer to why veganism fails, it only contains your answer as to why veganism fails.

>And no, you can't make sense of their patterns or reasoning. Because they are in that position because of a complete lack of any reason at all.
This is another opinion, this time of why they always fail, but it's the same as the first line of your post, just worded differently. Furthermore I'd argue that if this repeated point functioned as an answer to what makes vegans retarded then that by definition would mean that it would allow you to make sense of their patterns, otherwise what is an explanation for?

>The practical reason to become vegan is to be energy efficient and to be able to use food sources majority don't know how to in various parts of the world.
This again is not an answer to Why vegans always fail; Nor is it an answer to what you would do if you knew the answer to why vegans always fail. It's just your idea on how you would avoid failing at veganism, unlike the failures for whom you can not seem to explain their faults outside of "They dumb lol"

Does that help? Will this worthless fuckass thread answer my simple question?

Tl;dr - What would (You) do if you knew for sure why Veganism Fails so often?

>>42304019
Could not sustainably exist otherwise being the key qualifier of what I said. I clarified that. It was worded poorly, but you are clinging to that one post in typical brain damaged vegan fashion. Notice you keep ignoring the fact that same post has evidence proving you were completely wrong about or digestive system being more like herbivores.

>>42308104

It fails because Vitamin B12, Omega-3 fatty acids, Vitamin D, Calcium, Iodine, Protein, Zinc, Iron, and other minerals and vitamins deficiencies either because putting minerals together incorrectly will inhibit absorption, incorrectly combining foods because they contain antinutrients that inhibit absorption, or, they simply don't contain enough of it.

So, since we know why it fails, we correct it with wild plants since they contain more minerals, or contain nutrients not typically found in typical groceries in large quantities. Things like Hairy Beggar ticks, Lambs quarters, Nettles, especially stinging nettle, Amaranth, purslane, dandelion, pine nuts, acorns, wild yams, potatoes, potato fairy, jerusalem artichokes, as a few common examples that can work.

The main issue is that it seems most people only buy ones from groceries. Which would kill you unless you use onions, even then onions destroys the fuck out of your teeth so I don't even do that.

That's what I did when I figured out why veganism failed so often.


So, Tl;dr Forage for plants in the wild that have "parts" that are typically missing in normal groceries. That's what I would do.

>>42308104
oh no not this nigger again
get the fuck outta my thread we dont like your kind here

>>42308207
>>42308196
I'd ask which of you queers is the real OP but the retarded one makes it obvious.

>>42302331
Kill yourself pejeet

>>42308229
You're going to need to be more specific, we're both retarded.

>>42308257
>>42308229
>>42308196
One of these three is the real OP, but only one.

because veganism requires a lot of other sciences and sources of energy to work, water being one of the most important and for that basic tap water isn't enough. in the old world there were fountains that could heal any disease and reverse aging, this is because the waters had certain qualities which have been all but destroyed these days. you could combine these waters with pure aetheric energy to fully sustain yourself to forego the need for food entirely.

also because of the issue with the water and the soil, plants themselves and the fruit they bear has become anemic as well. they have lost all their potency and are unable to provide the lifeforce they used to.

it's better to go with what you can, if you're a christian you'll be forgiven for it in the end.

>>42301989
No, he isn't.

>>42308196

>onions destroys the fuck out of your teeth

Do elaborate please.