What happens to your soul if you kill yourself?
>>42300682Stuck looking infinity in the face for eternity. A while to remind you everything you missed and could've done. You don't get to be judged because you didn't go to the finish line. Some would call it being stuck in limbo.It's not good. Not good at all. Probably worse than hell.
>>42300682I don't know but my friend who browsed here killed (poisoned) herself back in April of 2023 and its been really hard
Nothing, there is no such thing as soul.
>>42300682Nothing but delusions on this board. There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, tulpas, undead beings or giant conspiracies hiding things we cannot imagine right under the surface of what we can see. Reality is cold and driven purely by power, intelligence, determination and manipulation. There is no hidden meaning, no destiny, no reason to live. Reality is both a giant playground for us to explore and progress in, but also an arena for us to fight in for our false ideologies. If you fail at life, you will never find anything to hold on to. No aliens, no haunted houses, no spirits, no demons to fight. You're only fighting with your own delusions, and desperately trying not to hit the absolute bottom. Now try to prove me wrong, if there really is anyone still treating this paranormal shit seriously.
>>42300803Then what happens to the mindstream?
>>42300849What happens to the light, when you blow the candle out?
>>42300803It's in there somewhere, you gotta look for it. Noone's going to find yours for you.
>>42300871That's if you're lucky. Most of us will just reincarnate as a Sri Lankan dirt farmer with no legs because aliens/archons guilt-tripped/lovebombed us. At least that's what seems likely
>>42300899The aliens/archon already won because you believe in reincarnation as a serious possibility.
>>42300682It depends on the age and reason you are here.A baby doesn't hold enough space/time to consciously move itself in the afterlife.
Lmao get a job, flash some wealth and get bitches to suck your dick. That'll build some self esteem and you won't come to a retarded paranormal looking for attention. There is no soul. There is no God. There is just this this tiny little existence in a vast nothingness. You die and are forgotten in a generation as life keeps flowing on.
>>42300802I’m sorry to hear that anon. My priest once said that God is capable of anything, maybe including absolving the sins of a suicide victim. I hope she rests in peace with the knowledge that a friend still thinks about her kindly
>>42300955Time repeats and you’re able to freely manipulate it. Back to /sci/ with you, Chud.
>>42300955>just do whatever dude don't worry about it trust me Ok tranny. Just because you'll burn in the lake of fire doesn't mean you gotta bring others to the party with you.
>>42300874No need to look, I know there is none.
>>42300871>on /x/>being reddit atheistI don't get it
>>42300831You never see nothing supernatural in your life? Haven't you?
>>423009551. If you think life is just sex you are no better than a animal2. I use magic to attract women for me, its good to be treated like a god, but it's just sex, it's not a big deal3. If you don't believe in nothing you have some mental problem
>>42300682Absolutely nothing as long as you aren't a retard. If you keep believing all the nonsense that "suicide is hecking bad!" then you'll doom your self to consequences. Its on you and what you decide, so just decide its fine.
>>42300682I'm pretty sure you'd go to purgatory.
>>42300682You void your ticket to Equestria.>>42300745So the fate of the wife in What Dreams May Come?>>42300802Condolences nonny.
I think it depends who you are as a person. good people get mercy, bad people got work to do.
>>42302297On the contrary. A state of stasis, without new stimuli, yet fully conscient. Emptiness without fullness. In more casual terms, the punishment for ending consciousness, yours, another's or harming that of a child, is forced consciousness. Endless regret, remorce, and reflexions of what could've been. Forced to re-experience missed opportunities and mistakes outside of time.Once again it's pretty much the worst. Your soul knows this, that's why it's so hard to do it even for the most spiritually numb individuals.
>>42301095It'll catch up, no worries.
nothing different happens than what happens by dying by any other means, don't believe the abrahamic shitstains claiming that there's some divine punishment awaiting youread david hume's essay on suicide
It will shatter, and reform in another System.
>>42303333>don't look into hundreds of traditions and ask yourself, instead listen to the original fedora tipper or the golden age of freemasonryYes!
>>42303363Are the freemasons in the room with us right now?
>>42303381They are, namely jew (you)
>>42303363>hundredsno, just your self-serving abrahamic priesthoods ooga booga'ing the peasants against suicide in order to keep a steady flow of tithes and warm bodies for their holy wars>the original fedora tipperyou're just too fucking stupid to follow archaic english, that's okay...hume wasn't writing for a shitposting retard jew like yourself anyway
>>42300682Your "soul" IS your "self".The question should be "what happens to you if you kill your body?"And gee idk, I'd rather not risk the possibility of being hurled back into this hellish realm with my memory wiped to do this whole shit again, so until I have more reliable info suicide is postponed. Unless if things become completely unbearable ofc - in that case risks be damned.
>>42303360I just recently learned about the shattering after suicide, think you are correct. What do you mean by another System though?
>>42303571Literally everyone is against it. From ancient philosophies like confusionism and stoicism. From ancient religions like hinduism to more recent ones like abrahamism, without forgetting many animists and most new age bs. Yes let's just dismiss those and listen to that average spritually confused materialist cunt instead while making smoothbrain tier materialist shortcut as to the reason why these traditions are against suicide.(You)
>>42303642Gee I wonder why systems would be against drones killing themselves instead of toiling and promoting said systems. Truly a mystery.
>>42303651Once again with the materialist take.Read Marcus Aurelius, your argument doesn't stand in regards to him. Read Kant, who's certainly intellectually superior to Hume.>when you die it's just lights out, ok? So kys, it's ok.
>>42300682It returns to the source just like everything else, it just has to take a short detour.
>>42303642>we must base our spiritual choices on what Everyone Says™fuck you hylic, stay in your group soul box then and stop moralizing to the rest of us about suicide with a stupid argumentum ad populum
>>42303697>muh argument of authority is better than your argument of popularityNice victim blaming here tranny.Massive retard. I didn't tell you to believe this or that, just to look I to it and ask yourself.Where there is smoke, there is fire. Inb4 >>reeeee let me tell suicidal people to go for it
>>42303704It's obvious you haven't read the essay, or you'd know why he mentioned it. Hume's logic on the matter is airtight. You're really betraying your ignorance to suggest that mentioning hume was a mere appeal to authority, but please keep pretending you know anything, faggot.
>>42300831Search up this guy on the archives has like 3 pure pages of spam.actually pathetic.Also His text is also contradictorily, what a retard
>>42303803>A man, who retires from life, does no harm to society. He only ceases to do good; which, if it be an injury, is of the lowest kind.>If suicide be supposed a crime, it is only cowardice can impel us to it. If it be no crime, both prudence and courage should engage us to rid ourselves at once of existence, when it becomes a burden. It is the only way, that we can then be useful to society, by setting as example, which, if imitated, would preserve to every one his chance for happiness in life, and would effectually free him from all danger of miseryWhy yes, dare I say, kys and free yourself of the danger of misery, that'll be beneficial for society.
>>42300745U mean purgatory. And where the fuck are u getting this info from?
>>42300803That's a good point Anon. I'd give you 10 bucks for ur soul. Would u sell ur soul for 10 bucks?
>>42300682Reincarnate in different circumstances, possibly better, possibly worse.
>>42303903Where do you get that from. Regardless of the origin when it comes to traditions believing in reincarnation, they all say it disrupts the natural order of the rebirth cycles and leads to very negative karmic consequences.
>>42300682What do you feel in your elbow ? Your eyes see what you see right now, But try to feel or see what your elbows see.There is no input or anything in the elbows to see or to feel, That's how death is.
>>42303618This
>>42303618>Unless if things become completely unbearablePurely subjective. It's never ok.
>>42300831Based
>>42303865If I meant purgatory, I would have said purgatory. You'll figure it our some day.
>>42300682Suicide (or any other kind of violent death) is much like many horror stories portray it. You will become a ghost and you will live in regret and none of your problems go away, until you either recognize it as mistake or it's your time to actually "go to the other side". Everyone has a pre-planned date of birth and death.
>>42303865someone made it the fuck up, anon thought about it and decided to copy that belief, then post it like it's factual cuz why the fuck not
>>42300955>you die and are forgotten in a decadeFoolish take. If you move a rock you are remembered by the world for an eternity. Your actions will be remembered in seen and unseen ways.
>>42303642Harakiri?>>42300682Depends on if you do it “right” and what you believe will happen. Keep in mind it’s not as simple as “I hope I go to heaven,” you would need to get your subconscious comfortable with the idea.
>>4230068270 generations of the same outcome
>>42305362Harakiri is ritualistic. The one performing it also dies by decapitation before he is done stabbing himself to death(sepuku). If I recall they would commit suicide by harakiri in case they would fall into the hands of the enemy where their capture and subsequent torture and death would be certain. In that case when alone they would either finish themselves off by leaving a blade on the ground to slice their throat or pierce their heart with their body falling on it.To commit harakiri is an absolute last resort.
>>42300682Nothing lol, Try to imagine an Indian dying of electrocution or dying from a train, Or a person getting his skin skimmed alive by Cartel or someone just evaporating in a second.You can die any death and it'll make no meaning, See ? But Suicide is Nature's gift for us to make meaning of our death before life mocks us. And
>>42300682Same thing that happens when you die through any other method. You lose all agency and the other members of the cycle you participated in are now free to claim you. Modern burial rites and cremation are a vain, fearful ploy to deny that.
>>42306146We have one who can see.
>>42300682Suicide is probably the answers, but the problem is that we have been brainwashed to think it will damn us to Hell by things like christianity. To the government you are the ultimate resource, human beings are the ultimate resource, but if human beings keep killing themselves how will the government have workers? So they must create some kind of thing that will make not so easy for us to kill ourselves, the concept of Hell. They were very successful in this projec because they invented a concept that makes people police themselves. This is actually brilliant. By convincing people that there is a God who is everywhere and sees everything then this makes people start to police themselves even when there is no one watching them, when they are all alone. But because of the dogma they will believe that God is watching them every move. If the world is indeed an illusion then killing yourself is like you realiing the illusion and forcing yourself out of the game. However, there are people who kill themvelves out of desperation so when I think about those it makes me not so sure that suicide is the answer. Nobody can tell you what happens to your soul if you kill yourself. Nobody knows that. And you asking this is yourself setting yourself to a deception because nobody knows what happens, but if you giving an opening to demons to deceive you so be careful.
>>42300682straight to hell as the Church teaches
>>42300682You become a nihilist
It doesn't matter how you die, it was destined to come to pass.
>>42306871Seems sure >>42300745 >>42303284This thread is just a giant call to go for it anyway wtf. Lots of words and too little action. Gotta think that a bunch of the anons who view it positively itt are just glowies or wannabe demons who know it's terrible but want other anons to go.
>>42300831>>42303804>Mon 29 Apr 2024grim
>>42303333Checked and /thread
I don't know. You probably have to experience all the pain it causes others and have to review all the pain. Eventually you probably reincarnate into a life that leads to a similar outcome. I think karma is like a holding pattern.
>>42303642>Literally everyone is against it. From ancient philosophies like confusionism and stoicism. "The ancients, moreover, were very far from regarding the matter in that light. Pliny says: Life is not so desirable a thing as to be protracted at any cost. Whoever you are, you are sure to die, even though your life has been full of abomination and crime. The chief of all remedies for a troubled mind is the feeling that among the blessings which Nature gives to man, there is none greater than an opportune death; and the best of it is that every one can avail himself of it. [...] Aristotle, it is true, declared suicide to be an offence against the State, although not against the person; but in Stobaeus' exposition of the Peripatetic philosophy there is the following remark: The good man should flee life when his misfortunes become too great; the bad man, also, when he is too prosperous. And similarly: So he will marry and beget children and take part in the affairs of the State, and, generally, practice virtue and continue to live; and then, again, if need be, and at any time necessity compels him, he will depart to his place of refuge in the tomb. And we find that the Stoics actually praised suicide as a noble and heroic action, as hundreds of passages show; above all in the works of Seneca, who expresses the strongest approval of it. " - Arthur Schopenhaur: Studies in Pessimism
>>42308471Materialist take. What happens to the soul?
>>42308770Fuck if I know. Anon claimed that everyone has always been against suicide, I simply provided counter-evidence showing that he was wrong.
>>42300831>There are no supernatural forces, souls, magick, life after death, tulpas, undead beings>We are literally just talking atoms of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon Bro, existence makes no sense unless it's magic
When reading Schopschop, it's important to place things in their context. He was a pessimist and would go round and about justifying his biases by every rhetorical means to support his shitty little worldview. In this here passage, completely and utterly voids then of essential historical and personnal context to the authors cited and their work.In Pliny's case, in his time Roman elites would commit suicide in cases where they couldn't uphold virtue, were dishonored, destined to die from the hands of their enemies, to defy tyranny or to avoid torture and death. Forgetting honor-driven context to favour his postulate that life is inherently burdensome.In regards to Aristotle, he did declare indeed that suicide was an offence against the State without adressing the personnal moral implication(there). SchopSchop conveniently forgets his life's work where life is the HIGHEST INTRINSIC GOOD and downplays his profound reverence for life. To cite Stobaeus:>Suicide is only permissible when life irreparably corrupts virtue.For Stoics, he once again is very selective. Quoting Seneca whose own demise by his hands was not a philosophical statement, but a political necessity as per Roman culture. He was already dead if he was to uphold his virtue. Completely bypassing the entire school of thought insistence on enduring life and making the most out of it. It's also very big of him to frame it as a "noble and heroic action" rather than a tragic last resort.To summarise, SchopSchop is a whiny little bitch who can't into honesty and has to distort everything to rationalise the irrational. He's basically a proto-woke of his time.
>>42303865
>>42309038>SchopSchop>SchopSchop>SchopSchoptell me something...Why do you literal faggots always insist on nick-naming schopenhauer so hard? I've seen you people do it a thousand times, and NEVER with any other philosopher.Why is it so hard to just spell his name normally? Why does he trigger you so bad?
>>42309112Not being worthy of respect.You know when you cherry-pick quotes, decontextualise and reduce complex traditions or philosophies to simple quotes/slogans in order to moralfag from pre-commited biases, that's what you'll get.When someone does that in here he usually gets called a glowie, tranny, cuck or any other insults.
>>42303284>Your soul knows this, that's why it's so hard to do it even for the most spiritually numb individuals.Negative. It is so hard for us to kill ourselves becase of how nature or God, whatever, did build our system. It goes against our very basic instincts to kill ourselves. Nature made sure that it would not be so easy for us to end our lives, even when we are the most miserable, we still clinge to life, even when we are in the wosrt types of existence we still want to live. I know I wanted to live forever. Until I realized the nature of this reality, that it is an illusion and based upon suffering. Why would I want to live forever in this Hell? So once you start to understand reality I think bypassing this natural defense mechanism put there by nature or God becomes easier. Once you udnerstand that this world sucks and you are a slave then this makes suicide more appealing.
>>42309151Exactly. People get spooked by the idea of suicide because it goes our most primal instinct: self-preservation. It has nothing to do with our soul knowing that it's "wrong" or whatever, it's hardwired into us on a physical level. Our biological urges are to survive and to reproduce, suicide is the antithesis of this. Just think about the fight or flight reflex, it can easily be triggered even when people aren't in any real danger. Even if we KNOW something is illogical, it's hard to to keep our body from reacting to stimuli. That's why people get panic attacks, stress causes their fight or flight reflex to go into overdrive.
>>42309133Let's be honest here,...you creatures just hate schopenhauer because he hold up a mirror to your normalfaggotry. Seeing all the absurdities and other bullshit you people take for granted being logically destroyed by someone just melts you inside like water on the Wicked Witch of the West. How *dare* he point out how stupid we and our beliefs are! Not worthy of respect!Lol. Who gives a fuck about your respect, normalfag.
>>42309190>our biological urges are to survive and reproduceYou conflate survive and live, as well as copulating and reproduce. Lower instinct(body) and higher instinct(soul).Consider this alchemicaly speaking.The body, through chemical reactions and hormone releases dictates your basic needs. (Earth) it is always present.The mind is fed by words, conventions between Men, so it's abstract. It can either be out of a sensible reasoning (Air) or out of an preconceived system (Fire). It is always past.Soul is exempt from the needs of the body and the corruption of the mind, it is the higher instinct, Love. In our big brains it translates into Empathy, which itself divides into two.>compassionTo find a mate and build social structures to "survive" in the long run>preservationTo fight for a future.(Water) it is always towards the future.Existence is a dance between all three (body<mind<soul) and the extent of your free will is to listen to those inputs and decide where you say yes and where you say no.You're stuck in the earthly phase, justifying it with fire. So take a deep breath and take a dive.
