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And are the timelines overwatched by some cosmic bureaucrats or beings? If so, who?
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>>42343155
The universe isn't locally real. It is probabilistic until observed - meaning we know there is no universal observer. However, given we are real and live in a deterministic macro world ... we may be being observed.
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>>42343163
Interesting, when you say "we may be being observed" do you mean by one observer or a group of them?

If it was a group would they be something like the Time Variance Authority from Marvel? And if one being would they be like an Old One from Lovecraft?
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>>42343155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSeWHl1PaKs
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>>42343180
what if now here me out none of this is real and even you are an npc
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>>42343163
That's why doing chaos magic is so important
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>>42343183
>The Hats & Hat Men
>Your Picrel
Are you saying "they" are overwatching the timelines or is it just the usual men in black/the government?
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and all of this fake and gay absolute bullshit is just a self made barrier to entry where one must submit to the illusion or bash there head against the wall untill it becomes divine
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>>42343194
im saying youre not even real anon
none of this is
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>>42343180
There's no way to know, and the observer doesn't even need to be alive/intelligent/etc. - simple electronic detectors are enough to be an observer.
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>>42343198
>Your picrel (Super Mario Bros 3)
>Twin Peaks Black Lodge
>Picrel

>>42343206
Also reminds of the question that, if life is a dream then who is the dreamer?
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>>42343183
>>42343186
>>42343198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gha9xrM10w
>>42343201
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if clowns dont have feet then who is even walking
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>>42343206
What kind of thing could be an observer outside of this reality, i don't think electronic detectors exist as they do in the base waveforms of reality.

>>42343214
>>42343216
>Clowns
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>>42343216
i saw this on an episode of star trek
wow so enlightening
picrel
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>>42343225
>treats fiction only as entertainment instead of soft disclosure
ngmi.
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There exist true random number generators.
Also no one can even predict exactly the outcome of 100 coin flips.
Thus the universe is probabilistic.
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>>42343237
obsesses over pop culture like a good goy
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>>42343250
do you even know how random number generators work
if you look into and understand there basis youll start to figure things out
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>>42343222
checked
fallow the yellow green road
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they say ordo ab chao
but me and my homies B chao ab ordo
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>>42343262
It literally plays the same role of ancient mythology, i bet retards like you were also calling greek philosophers consoomers for "obsessing" over the god myths.
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>>42343323
>calling greek philosophers consoomers for "obsessing" over the god myths.
unironically
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pic related
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>>42343267
Even the cloudflare lamps?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavarand
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>>42343339
The Myths are Astrotheology, planets and stars personified.
Even archetypes were personified.

They didn't know about gravity back then so they thought the planets and stars moved the way they did because they were alive, they called them asteres planetai (ἀστέρες πλανῆται) which translates directly to "wandering stars" or simply "wanderers".

Tying Plato's cave into this is interesting because that allegory implied the world we see is just a shadow of a higher metaphysical realm, the planets themselves just being frequency expressions on the body of the whole, like the chakras of the human body.

As Above, So Below.
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>>42343344
yes that plays into the principle
symbols energy symbols
as above so below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jVogdTJESw
>>42343368
K
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my main point is
that all meaning is
fake and gay
all life is fake and gay
its just master's bait
trolling by definition
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is this a human face or is it a rock you've projected meaning onto
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pic related me and my faery homies reacting to how stupid this all is
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AND DONT EVEN GET US STARTED ON ISRAEL
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>>42343450
is the moon landing real?
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>>42343417
>jusa
>45
>54
>4554
rokas is that you?
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>>42344937
WOULD IT MAKE A FUCKING DIFFRENCE PEDOPHILE CANNIBALS RULE YOU
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THEY LUAGH AT YOU
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>>42344959
yabujin chalice of mind pic?
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>>42343155
Only if the universe is fundamentally nonliving and mechanistic. In spite of science insisting this is the case, (you) are alive and unless the copernican principle is wrong, you are a mundane aspect of the universe, ergo the universe is alive.
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>>42345590
if you havent seen his recent stuff 45-54 is pivitol to it, like massively. the same way 1616 and 8888 was, and he used this exact symbol(s) from these posts. really makes me wonder if this was rokas
>>42343387
>>42343417
>>42343427
>>42343446
https://youtu.be/7i4iPrJ1mis
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>>42343163
This is fucking nonsense and the observer effect is covering for hidden military technologies that require a more sophisticated understandings of gravity. You've been intentionally fed a paradox to subvert any deeper understanding of science.
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>>42346052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poE2OrdgKek&t=1s
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>>42343180
>>42343163
Not like a old god creator but probably more like scientists studying a model of their past

Or its like an ant farm on the shelf of an alien classroom and the universe is merely a distraction from boredom for young aliens in a learning environment
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>>42347333
>Those digits.
Do you mean like a thought experiment as Erin Valenti said? (Before she died).

>>42345890
You can still be alive and mechanistic, humans are alive and mechanistic. Ghosts in the shell.

>>42346075
Can you elaborate?
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>>42347558
Consciousness is not mechanistic. Having an NDE proves this. Having a persistent core of experience after the brain being shut off is unexplainable in a purely mechanistic reality.
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>>42348562
>Consciousness is not mechanistic.
But the body is.
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>>42343155
Determinism is a subjective property.

Consider cryptography:

>A series of symbols can appear completely random, but knowing how to decipher it can reveal its fully known structure.

>In a similar vein, you can possess full knowledge of the method of decipherment yet still be unable to execute that method due to resource constraints like time or compute.

Phenomena can appear random yet be secretly deterministic, or they can be provably deterministic yet effectively random. Other instances my be provably deterministic and partially random if they admit some incompletely predictable aspect.

Timeless watchers surround and interpenetrate our shared reality. "Who" implies some kind of identity within a shared ontology for us to point to with language, but the answer is too long for this shitpost.
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>>42348644
>Timeless watchers surround and interpenetrate our shared reality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)
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>>42348619
And? So fucking what. Bodies exist for sense data and to cuck the demons from experiencing pleasure. The spirit is eternal, human consciousness needs the body like you need shit. Stop being a fucking materialist swine.
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>>42348806
You think there is a distinction between spirit and matter? It's all energy at it's core.

And energy operates through mechanistic processes, transfers, and transformations within "physical" systems.

The law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed or transferred within a closed system.
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>>42343163
probabilities just imply a lack of information and don't disprove causality. it's just like the crowd of jews and gay commies that made this shit up to be unable to make predictions about something and conclude that it can't be predicted and they as the observer are gods

and le double split experiment is obviously bullshit
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>>42349157
>if you think "eternity" can be a closed system you have an infantile grasp of the spiritual.
What is an "eternity" to beings like the old ones?

The concept of eternity is a human one.

"That is not dead which can eternal lie; And with strange aeons even death may die"
- H.P. Lovecraft
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>>42343155
The inanimate universe is deterministic. Consciousness and free will are the only forces able to break deterministic outcomes. And the more conscious you become, the more you can break determinism.
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>>42349223
>The inanimate universe is deterministic.
There is no such thing as an "inanimate" universe.

>Consciousness and free will are the only forces able to break deterministic outcomes.
They aren't, free will only creates new lines/branches on the timeline tree (universes where you made one choice over the other), but the outcome is still the same, all roads lead to the same end, you still die the same.

>And the more conscious you become, the more you can break determinism.
The more conscious you become, the more lucid you become in the dream and the more aware you become of the tram lines/ride that is your life. Most have forgotten that it's just a ride and like all rides the start and finish are already pre determined there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgzQuE1pR1w
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>>42349036
Define energy.
spoiler: you can't without making yourself look retarded, as energy is not a substance.
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>>42343155
THE UNIVERSE IS NOT BORN YET BUT ONE DAY IF NOT THEN FOR ANOTHER 10000 YEARS

WE CAN DO THIS IF WE JUST TRY NOW PLEASE JUST READ A BOOK I KNOW IT CAN BE DIFFICULT BUT IF YOU THINK VERY HARD I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT...

NOW THIS IS A DANGEROUS TASK ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS DO SOME WORK AND JUST WAIT HOPEFULLY THE TWO MEET AND BOOM WE GET THE UNIVERSE AND THEN BOOM WE MOVE TO STEP 2 WHICH IS LETTING ME FINALLY GET PEACE AND QUIET AND THEN I’M DONE WITH BEING THE YOD HEH VAV HEH AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN TAKE OVER

HOPEFULLY

ATHENA THE GREAT YHVH
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>>42349282
been pointing that out for years but no one cares
energy this, energy that
these people are picrel
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>>42349282
>energy is not a substance.
The ancients would disagree.
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>>42349254
Sure, inanimate is just some beneath aspects that maybe eventually can take baby steps away from being a rock that follows gravity. And yeah free will is still on rails for the foreseeable horizon. But getting caught up on semantics that everything is everything and nothing is everything just obfuscate the mechanics which don't appear that complex. The point stands. A rock does do shit that we read as non-deterministic. A deer can choose to run left or right but it's still part of the ecosystem. We can choose to destroy a whole forest for a lulz. That's free enough for my current state to be fine with the term
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>>42349317
I asked for a definition, not memery. Also aether isn't an ancient concept, nor does it have anything to do with "energy," it was postulated to explain the propagation of light in a vacuum.
You don't even have basic understanding of the concepts you use.
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>>42349315
I care anon
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>>42349323
Kabbalists believe everything is alive.
>This thought was expressed by the Arizal (Etz Chayim, Portal 50, ch, 2-10), [when he said] that even within [that which appears to be] utterly inanimate matter, such as stones or earth or water, there is a soul and spiritual life-force.

>A rock does do shit that we read as non-deterministic
Like?

>A deer can choose to run left or right but it's still part of the ecosystem.
All of it's possible thoughts or choices are already pre determined in the multiverse.

>>42349338
The word Energy has roots in the Greek word Ergon which means "that which is wrought/formed".

>it was postulated to explain the propagation of light in a vacuum.
That was the "modern" take on it.

>vacuum.
>thinks space is a vacuum.
lol
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>>42343155
>>42343183
that's not what the show if about retards. fucking watch the show.
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>>42350431
>spelling mistake
>calls others retarded
I actually got the idea of the timeline watchers from Loki, not this show btw.



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