How does radical literal biblical Christianity (not the mainstream bullshit version) define sin?I spent last night going through the Bible and Bible commentaries trying to find out. It doesn't seem clearly defined. It mentions anything that is unrighteousness is sin etc. But that is not very helpfulBasically I want to know for sure if masturbating is a sin before committing to giving it up.
>>42346320“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4)
>>42346330I understood that the law was just the basics of what constitutes sin, it's much broader than that
>>42346340“For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.” (Romans 8:6-8)Sorry but the coom has to go.
>>42346344I understand. I think I can do it, I really set my mind to giving up alcohol and haven't touched a drop for 3 years now despite many people trying to tempt me all the time
Somewhere in the writings of Paul irrc he says you can smash your wife a lot though. But how does one have sex without thinking lustful thoughts? Doesn't seem possible to get hard while thinking pious thoughts
>>42346352Just to be sure, you are not trying to save yourself are you? Giving these up is our due service to God, but we are not justifued by works but by the blood of Christ.
>>42346330A very literal translation (Young's Literal Translation) of this verse is "Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness." I think it's notable that "the law" isn't mentioned, but rather lawlessness in the abstract.Later in 1 John 3:21-24, "Beloved, if our heart may not condemn us, we have boldness toward God, and whatever we may ask, we receive from Him, because His commands we keep, and the things pleasing before Him we do, and this is His command, that we may believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and may love one another, even as He did give command to us, and he who is keeping His commands, in Him he doth remain, and He in him; and in this we know that He doth remain in us, from the Spirit that He gave us."
>>42346358Of course not but I also don't subscribe to the wishful thinking school of thought where you can just keep sinning and keep getting forgiven. The end of 1 John 3 iirc is very clear and firm on thatCoomers intentionally misinterpret the statements about everyone having a sinful past as a get out of jail for free card for continuing to practice sinHowever there is no free ride1 John 3:4-6[4]Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.[5]And ye know that he has been manifested that he might take away our sins; and in him sin is not.[6]Whoever abides in him, does not sin: whoever sins, has not seen him or known him.
>>42346320The wages of Sin is Death (melodeath actually, it's a decent album by Arch Enemy, has some good tracks. Meanwhile this is just thrash... I'm mixing le profane up yer junk
>>42346375I address that here in another thread: >>42346133
>>42346330>>42346371That's why sin only existed before Christ. His new covenant with God removed the binding contract of law, thus removing sin. >Jeremiah 31:33 describes the New Covenant where God promises to write His law on His people's hearts and minds, rather than on stone tablets, promising a personal relationship, internal transformation, and an intimate spiritual connectionSo you already know whether it is God's intention for you to spill your seed. You should be impregnating women of your God given race.
>>42346320>download bible pdf>ctrl + f "sin">ignore anything that is not a clear definitionyou're welcome
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>>42346990Ok, and? Will everyone understand your same thing?
>>42346320there is no such thing my dude you're describing judaism, which american zionism is a sect of for example, which believes the messiah is yet to come. anytime you boil it down to "christianity" you already lost by idolatry.
>>42346354Welcome Christ into your peepee so that you may let him come into your wife
Another thread with zero accurate answers
OP here. I concluded I am probably asking people who know less than I do so its pointless
Sin translation is missing the mark. God is eternal, is always there, and you choose to walk away from him
>>42346320Everything that isn't work, sleep, eating purely for sustenance, sex purely for procreation, any kind of enjoyment at all without God is Sin.
>>42346793“But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.” (1 Corinthians 7:32-33)“But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.” (1 Corinthians 7:36-38)“For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.” (1 Corinthians 7:7-9)No mating call under NT grace, but not illegal either; it's an issue of liberty, unless you are applying for a certain position in the church, then you need to be married to one wife and have children.
>>42348666I considered this as well. Basically even enjoying foods taste may be sin, when completely tasteless food in the bare minimum quantity would be more godly
>>42350621My main sins are fapping once every 2 weeks or so and enjoying tasty food everyday. Not trolling this topic preoccupied my mind.
>>42346320sin mean spilling the magical semen. but don't worry, your semen isn't magical.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic&ra=m
>>42350630>enjoying tasty food everyday.That's noty a sin anywhere in scripture.
>>42350694the thing is that scripture in the OT defines sin as breaking of the law or directly going against gods willbut in the NT it is implied that any action that shows a lack of morality or self restraint equals sin, that pretty much includes indulging in any of life's pleasures such as enjoying food, watching tv, having sex with your wife outside of strictly targeted attempts to impregnate her, taking naps on the weekends, and so on and so forth
>>42350694>>42350726I am serious, it is quite problematic that the bible does not list clearly what are sins, because if its up to my extremistic interpretation there will be nothing left, only living like a prisoner
>>42350726>includes indulging in any of life's pleasures such as enjoying foodChapter and verse.>watching tvChapter and verse.>having sex with your wife outside of strictly targeted attempts to impregnate herChapter and verse, then explain these: “The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.” (1 Corinthians 7:4-5)“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” (Hebrews 13:4)>taking naps on the weekends, and so on and so forthChapter and verse.
>>42350732The bible is very clear about what constitutes sin and what doesn't, but if you don't study it, you won't get anywhere with it.
>>42350747the thing is that the bible seems intentionally vague about what sin is, but multiple times implied any behavior that shows lack of restraint and overindulgence.So I quite often enjoy good food excessively, eat more than necessary, enjoy it more than necessary, although in general I do a lost of fasting, often 1 meal a day, sometimes 3 day fasting
>>42350752not true at all son of a bitch
>>42350768“Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.” (Colossians 2:16-17)Anything you overdo can become a problem (e.g. you eat like an animal, you get beetus and thus destroy the body that God gave you to serve Him), but there's no constraint on actually enjoying anything to any extent if it's not doing actual damage.
>>42350793are you sure? seems like a trap, I feel that deep down we are not supposed to enjoy anything
>>42350806If scripture says it, that's as far as any man can go on discerning these things.
>>42346320>radical literal biblical ChristianityI don't know about that, but this anon is correct >>42348080Sin means you're fucking up. You're blowing it. You're aiming at something and missing. The arrow missed, the technical term for that was "Sin". So in Biblical times, saying "You sinned" was like saying "You blew it".Sometimes you sin deliberately, if you're a real piece of work you'll sin knowing you're being "bad" and take joy in it. And if you're really bad, you'll refuse to even accept that you're sinning and can't be talked out of it, that's called having a "reprobate mind". You are beyond reproach and cannot be corrected and would rather deliberately do wrong than acknowledge you're sinning. You will be convinced there is no sin and you know better than God. But for the most part sinning is just fucking things up for yourself and others spiritually (maybe sometimes physically), and all humans do it by nature because we are all sinners (except Jesus).
>>42350732>the bible does not list clearly what are sinsWoah there bucko slow down.
>>42350846you are defining your own theology so you can continue enjoying the carnal pleasures which constitute sin
>>42350894Sorry, I actually read the Bible. Peddle your shame somewhere else.
>>42350922is it a sin to type very mean and cruel things, only to then back space and not post them but in fact you did materialize those thoughts?
>>42350944That's between you and God. He knows your heart and mind. If you catch yourself being hateful and backpedal, that's not quite the same as repenting. You should pray everyday for forgiveness for the numerous sinful thoughts and feelings you have, you don't have to address them individually but your heart and mind will know what exactly you're repenting from and so will he.
>>42350999if you are praying every day for forgiveness then you are doing it wrong, you should ask once, and then stop sinning indefinitely
>>42346320Sin is anything that moves you away from God. Masturbation, if it is done with the express purpose of pleasuring yourself, is an expression of a few of the "seven deadly sins". Pride, Lust, Sloth. It is telling God that you love yourself more then you love him. You should never try to rules lawyer the bible, just because it isn't written down and expressly forbidden, doesn't mean it isn't a Sin. You need to talk to God, pray for clarity and realize what he wants for you. If you are taking time out of your day to masturbate that could be spent reading the bible or praying, then guess what, its Sinful and wrong.
>>42353374Using yourself as a mere means to an end. That's kant, not your christslop.
>>42352006This is heresy (so the usual around here) and you have no idea what you're talking about. The Lord's Prayer is to be said everyday. Every day is a new day where you are guaranteed to sin. Nobody stops sinning completely, it's impossible, although you can certainly break free of patterns of behavior and addictions. When Jesus told the woman he saved from being stoned to death "Go and sin no more" he knew she couldn't literally stop sinning forever but was instead advising her, stop causing this trouble in your life.
>>42353374>If you are taking time out of your day to masturbate that could be spent reading the bible or prayingAnon that's a bit much. You might as well say the same for literally every activity like playing games or scrolling the internet. God does not demand 100% of your time, he wants you to live your life. What you just said is an example of the kind of puritan strawman that anons around here use to mock Christianity see >>42348666
>>42346320>How does radical literal biblical Christianity (not the mainstream bullshit version) define sin?Evil. The most major instances defined in the Seven Deadly Sins, but also including witchcraft. divination, despair, and perhaps some more I am forgetting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins>Basically I want to know for sure if masturbating is a sin before committing to giving it up.It is.>>42348666>eating purely for sustenanceAll eating is Gluttony but that is the least evil and He forgives it automatically if so desired.>sex purely for procreationThe ideal is and has always been to be Celibate.
