Basically, this is known to be the part of the brain which is responsible for consciousness. Not for producing it, because the brain does not produce consciousness, but for anchoring the "consciousness signal" into the brain and body.When it is damaged, it produces OBEs. When it is stimulated (meaning its normal function is disrupted) it produces OBEs. When you have people who do meth, for example, they're taking heavy damage to their TPJ. When you have this, you will often see meth users looking off on to the other side of the room and talking to themselves as if they're outside of their own bodies.When you have Multiple Personality Disorders (now known as DID) you have the TPJ provably powering down whenever the non dominant personality is there but showing normal or being even overactive when the dominant personality is there. Basically, translating this into spiritual terms, it means whenever this anchor is not working the dominant personality leaves and another spirit enters.So over and over again we can measure how consciousness and out of body experiences are related to this part of the brain. The "Brain as receiver" theory of consciousness is basically 100% proven in neurology, but the sciencefucks dont want to face it because theyre pushing a disgusting antihuman agenda which is funded by billionaires and the CIA.They want to keep you dumb, uninformed, nihilistic and horrified that this life is the only thing keeping you conscious because it makes you easier to control under capitalism.
>>42360101>the brain does not produce consciousness[citation needed]
>>42360101>The "Brain as receiver" theory of consciousness is basically 100% proven[citation needed]
>>42360107No one needs to do anything for you. You can read about the temporoparietal junction on your own, if you do choose to, (on top of many other things for example NDEs) and you will very fast understand observations with this portion of your brain undebatably prove your brain is a reciever.
>>42360111No. There are no "citations" needed for you or for anyone else. Everyone on the internet has an internet connection and therefore can google things for themselves >>42360116.
>>42360119OkayBye, then.
>>42360123Yup. Goodbye. No one was impressed by you, or your impotent obnoxious comment lamely demanding other people google things for you which you could quite quickly google yourself
>>42360101The right angular gyrus is important for manifesting and remote action.
>>42360126y u mad thoIf you're gonna come in here and make some claims, at least back them up.
>>42360137Its your own responsibility to find things on google yourself and not to demand like a child that other people do these things for you. No matter what idiotic shit you write in these comments the claims I made in my OP are 100% factually accurate.
>>42360137He's right. You're a lazy, vampiric, hylic NPC. Learn to use a search engine you braindead fuck, and shut your cocksucker for once while you're at it. I'm disgusted by how you're fucking up a perfectly good thread
>>42360142>>42360137Here's a thought: If you think something I said in my OP was wrong then feel free to find something on google on your own, your precious "citations or whatever" and post them. Oh right you cant because everything I wrote is just 100% factually accurate.Thanks. And goodbye.
>>42360145>goodbyePlease just do it, Stop talking to it. These "people" are everywhere now and we're left no place to just discuss in peace.
>>42360101>basically, this is known>basically 100% provenYeah, I'm not buying what you're selling if this is how you're going to lazily attempt to legitimize everything you're saying.
>>42360143I dont give a shit about you, or his, whining that you deserve to have another person doing simple informational research for you when youre perfectly capable of doing it yourself. Why dont you, or him, go find something on google which proves even 1 thing i said literally wrong. Oh well, you cant. Thanks for playing this game. Now fuck off.
>>42360148Search todd's syndrome / alice in wonderland syndrome.
>>42360146>>42360147Go ahead and find even 1 thing to prove my wrong on the internet. Feel free to "Do Your Own Research" then report back to me about how my posts are wrong. You cant do that. Therefore youre both wrong and your obnoxious whining for other people to do laborious research for you is nothing but a poor reflection on yourselves
>>42360148Prove you're right then.Oh well, you can't.
>>42360151If you want to tell me how either of those things would prove me wrong then feel free. I'm aware of what they both are. Not sure how you would reason those "prove me wrong" since they definitely dont.>>42360155Let me know when you have any information refuting me or my OP (note: you dont)
OP giving off Karen vibes
>>42360154My background is in bioelectromagnetics and magnetobiology. I've fucking done it already. You won't even step on the path. Now shut your trap you miserable child.
>>42360161>>42360163So no actual available citations or information to refute me though right?Just like everyone else in this thread >>42360111, >>42360107, just yelling "citations!" after I make a post about extraordinarily well documented observations in the TPJ, and none of you can provide any actual information refuting me.
>>42360101>basically 100% proven in neurologySays who?
>>42360176>So no actual available citations or information to refute me though right?I'm on "your side". Why would I be refuting you?
op is fuckin' fuming
>>42360177Just google "OBEs and the temporoparietal junction" or even just read the wikipedia page on it and stuff like that. You disrupt its function and you get put outside of your body. These are extraordinarily welldocumented facts
>>42360101Intredasting
>>42360180Cool story chief just let me know when you have some actual information or evidence refuting anything I said in the OP (all of which is concretely documented neurological science)
>>42360183I'm not interested in refuting what you're saying. I'm interested in you providing anything to support what you're saying.
>>42360188Hahahahaha! After all of your butthurt and seething in this thread, now this is what youre reduced to. "N...nuh uh! I didnt even wanna prove U wrong OP! its not cuz I cant, its cuz I dont wanna!" LMFAO now please go and leave my thread alone in shame.
>>42360188Go hit yourself in the side of the head with a hammer. Make sure to be scientific about it. I'll be the control group.
>>42360183>Cool story chief just let me know when you have some actual information or evidence to prove what you're saying.
>>42360101Glowies are big mad about this thread.
>>42360194Nobody here said anything about wanting to prove you wrong, you fucking psycho.
anytime any one of you guys with your "citations needed" cringeworthiness, wants to actually show me any evidence that anything I said, outside of the direct "consciousness is transmitted" conclusion that I discussed is being hidden due to the academics' materialist agenda, is incorrect and not 100% concretely documented in neuroscience then just let me know.But you cant. Unfortunately, for you, you cant.
welp, OP's got nothin'. Pack it up.
>>42360208Kys glowie
>>42360198>>42360202both just see the post i wrote above >>42360204 and keep crying even further
>>42360208see >>42360204im waiting, im waiting.
NEVER LISTEN TO "EXPERTS" WHO HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED LUCID DREAMING ASTRAL TRAVEL HAD OBES OR EVEN HAD AN ENLIGHTENMENT THOSE ARE EITHER BOT BIO BOT CABBAGE PATCHED SOULESS BEINGS OR STRAIGHT UP REPTILLIANNAVIGATE WITH CAUTION
>>42360107>>42360111most of us dont even believe science is real bro. any citation would come from a "satanic" establishment whose main goal is to deceive the public
>>42360292If you, or someone else wanted out of legitimate interest, I would have worked to find the original studies which I was referencing just becuz I would know you were interested in them. But whenever youre on the internet and people show up to just randomly say "citation needed" for something they could have easily googled for themselves and found out was real, quite quickly, youre not dealing with good faith actors.A lot of this research was originally done by a guy named "Olaf Blanke" over 20 years ago, and is rather wellknown stuff
>>42360327They're here to waste your time and energy. Don't give them anything.
>>42360327indeed. and i would just say "why would i need studies written by satanic jew epstein elites who rape kids?"
>>42360338Shut up debased slush brain.
>>42360335thats why I didnt do it. theyre obviously not there to argue in good faith and acknowledge the truth when its proven to them. so ive seen people like them so many times on /x/, or elsewhere on the internet, that i just absolutely do not bother anymore.
>>42360351>provenWhere?
>>42360358go ahead and show me where even 1 part of my OP is wrong. im waiting for you to show me where even 1 claim i made, outside of the conclusion about scientists covering it up to further their evil materialist agenda, is incorrect on the basis of dogmatic establishment neuroscience. tick tock. you still havent produced even 1 shred of evidence
>>42360101This is true, and any monkey brain who denies the etheric body is very short sighted or a fed.
>>42360161dont you have scrotums to scry with your botched mkultra mind powers? thats why ur here right? failed astral algebra?
My theory is the brain is the hardware that interfaces with the soul/biofield/subtle field, and that is the place where your memories actually go and where the conciousness is.
>>42360160I was on your side but you are being a sperg. Stop feeding disingenuous trolls you aspie fuck
>>42360706Why are you even making these posts like "I wuz on ur side, u aspie fuck!" I mean what are you even gaining from this bullshit? Please man, you're just a perfect example of an alltime profoundly toxic person on the internet. Just find something better to do with your time here because I dont think anyone is moved by whatever head game youre trying to play. Its just a game which exists only within your own mind.
>>42360101The leap from "TPJ disruption correlates with OBEs" to "therefore consciousness is external and the brain is a receiver" is not supported. You don't even attempt to support it. instead you attempt to sneak this non-sequitur in by claiming a conspiracy.You are a knowingly deceitful liar.
A reminder to everyone in this thread about "The Hard Problem of Consciousness" which basically means the fact that science, for all its stigma and dogma abounding on this issue, has not found 1 shred of hard evidence where "consciousness arises from the brain". >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousnessSo just remember that when youre reading above at all off the "soiencebros" barking at me about my OP supposedly not being cited (when you can google and confirm just about every piece of information easily which I put within it). And the reason why theyve found no evidence of that is, in fact, because the brain is the receptor of consciousness and not the generator of it. Yeah just remember theyre only yelling about dogma and politics. For all of their claims about having "authority and muh academic consensus" theres legitimately no evidence or science behind their soience.
>>42360737Shutting down the brain doesnt shut down consciousness and this is proven time after time by NDEs. And now with the TPJ you have an experimental programme in which you can shut down only 1 specific part of the brain, and the person pops out of it still totally conscious but not within their body. At the same time you have meth heads who routinely view themselves from outside of their own body due to damage from this part of the brain. You have recorded case studies of people who have this part of their brain damaged and permanently view themselves from the 3rd person perspective. Everything youre writing here is anti-intellectual and you're just mad about me posting on this board about the truth.
>>42360154That isn't how it works. You make the claim, you support it, if you want anyone who isn't a schizo junkie to take you seriously. Otherwise we'll laugh at you and call you a double nigger.
>>42360760>>42360737>Shutting down the brain doesnt shut down consciousness and this is proven time after time by NDEs. And now with the TPJ you have an experimental programme in which you can shut down only 1 specific part of the brain, and the person pops out of it still totally conscious but not within their body. At the same time you have meth heads who routinely view themselves from outside of their own body due to damage from this part of the brain. You have recorded case studies of people who have this part of their brain damaged and permanently view themselves from the 3rd person perspective. Everything youre writing here is anti-intellectual and you're just mad about me posting on this board about the truth.for the record, on top of what I wrote above, part of my point is that if consciousness arises from the brain then shutting down the TPJ should not result in an out of body experience. If the brain is the generator then you should not have a conscious experience only from a different perspective when this part of your brain is damaged or disrupted. So no, I'm not being "deceptive" or whatever you said, you're just being the usual soience anti-intellectual and ignoring basic facts while denying basic logic...
>>42360760What's proven is that people report vivid experiences after resuscitation. We don't have reliable evidence that the experiences occur during the flatline rather than in the minutes of before or after. Your failure to anticipate this point proves that you are a crouching faggot hidden nigger.You shouldn't have dropped out of high school.
>>42360764No, it is how it works actually you insufferable faggot. Wanna know why? Because you're not King of the Fucking Universe who commands everyone to bow at your feet and serve you with their labor of digging up google citation which you could easily dig up for yourself. You don't like what I wrote? It makes your bumbum mad and makes u feel "boo hoo"? Too fuckin' bad. Not my fuckin' problem. Feel free to let me know if even 1 word of what I wrote in my OP is even mildly unfactual but unfortunately for you pretty much everyone who even mildly googles what I wrote is going to find 100s of credible links substantiating everything. Now whine more you fucking bitches. Whine more whine more just whine more.
>>42360776>We don't have reliable evidence that the experiences occur during the flatline rather than in the minutes of before or after.Yeah no this is just false. There are people who have had their brains hooked up to EEGs while theyre under and reporting vivid NDEs and even accurately relaying details of their rescuscitation in many instances. You're stating outright falsehoods and just doing the usual dance of outright denying facts.
>>42360777Wow you are truly unhinged. Must get tiring having people ignoring / laughing at you IRL, eh?
Notice these fucks are so mean and hostile about everything with their militant "brain is consciousness bullshit", too? I mean why the fuck are they always so painfully militant and emotional about this putrid and false belief which they fucking hold?
>>42360782You don't understand my point, and the fact that you don't shows that you are ignorant of the very topic you're preaching about. I.e. you're a monkey ass nigger.
>>42360786>Acts like a fucking faggot.>Gets told why he is acting like a fucking faggot.>"Wow! Ur truly le unhinged!"Cool story, you fucking faggot. Now leave my thread and leave me the fuck alone, because you are offering absolutely nothing of fucking value when you come in and just obnoxiously and entitled-ly whine "but provide me with muh citation" you fucking welfare bitch it just takes 30 seconds for you to google this fucking bullshit on your own.
>>42360790LOL you niggersperg out and then play victim. Pathetic.
>>42360798I read that in the voice of a bunch of screaming chimps.
>>42360795>"U...u dont understand my point!"Thats your best fucking answer? That was the best you could do? No. Its not that youre so brilliant and smarter than everyone else and people dont understand your point. Its that youre irrationally trying to deny facts and handwave them away in the same way science dogmatism acolytes always do. And you were properly told the fuck off. Now, please, fuck off. Please.
>>42360799>>42360802Whiners. Buttmad whiners. Buttmad and empty.
>>42360807I have no desire to try to reason with a low-IQ nigger who can't do basic reasoning. Laughing at such niggers while they shit their pants in public is much more fun.
>>42360811Thats all you people on this website do, whenever youre put with your back up against the wall. "Nigger nigger nigger" or "kike kike kike". Always the same idiotic bullshit. Cry harder nazi consciousness is not created by the brain by receipted by it. In the same way a radio receives a broadcasters' signal. Gross Fascismbitch.
>>42360815I'm not even racist, I just like calling you nigger.
>>42360817And thats the other thing you do on the far right: Just relentlessly denying everything and gaslighting the public further and further down in a spiral of bullshit. And your bullshit is most obvious to everyone who isnt fucking retarded.
>>42360101Congrats OP, I don't think I've ever seen a thread that had the glowies as crazed up in quite some time.
>>42360819Here's an interesting fact: in the ancient and medieval world heaven was thought to be literally in the sky, and hell literally below the ground. The Copernican Revolution dethroned the geocentric model and threw this model into disarray. The idea that heaven and hell are other 'dimensions" emerged in the 19th and 20th centuries and was greatly influenced by pop fiction. This model conveniently made heaven and hell inaccessible to any sort of observation, making it undisprovable.
>>42360834I mean if this is supposed to disprove, or provide evidence against, the notion of life after death then it just fails outright miserably. On its face. Dont know why I would even have to address this further. I'm not christian or attached to any specific religious denomination and thats an entirely separate question when it comes to the afterlife from "whether or not we factually continue to exist after death or not". And evidence proves we do. Really the evidence for is strong enough to be considered "proof" basically.
>>42360825Certainly is a weird fucking bunch of responses to a man who shows up and merely presents a bit of evidence that we dont blink out of existence when we die, and our lives are not in fact meaningless transient blinks of an eye where we will eventually merely cease to be. Depressing.
>>42360849The responses are also very unlike typical /x/ posters I noticed. Obviously this website is full of autistic slap fights, but the repetitive, antagonist and almost automated replies made me raise an eyebrow for sure.
>>42360847The point is that your "model" of the brain being a receiver inevitably has to do with the "other dimensions" model of the afterlife, a model that you take for granted. A model that has its roots in theists desperately trying to cover up the failures of their worldview, and no basis in reality.What has been proven time and time again is the desire for an afterlife makes you fundamentally retarded. You are just another data point to add to this conclusion.
does that mean it is possible to hijack someone else's brain?
>>42360858True. The first 2 responses being almost copies of eachother was pretty weird, in and of itself.>>42360859There is no point because theres nothing about your personal emotional beef with religion, or with religion in and of itself, which relates to this discussion in any way. In fact, the only thing thats happening here is youre revealing to everywhere here whats really motivating you: your own personal emotional hatred for world religions, and not rational thoughts or reason.
>>42360861Go to youtube and look up videos of people with dissociative identity disorder. Theyre CLEARLY dealing with spirit possession in ways modern medicine is unwilling to face, and therefore unwilling to treat.
>>42360868My beef is with those who endlessly try to rehash the same failed ideas endlessly without support, hoping to fool dullards (whether or not this includes themselves.)My point still stands: >>42360776You have no proof that OBEs are produced during flatline, and not before or after.
>>42360876OBEs produced during flatline is 100% proven and if you want to deny that then its just the usual science dogmatist denial of undeniable facts. For your posts above where you try to make this about religion: those are irrelevant to me since this thread has nothing to do with religion and once you brought that up you basically proved yourself to be totally emotionally-motivated rather than rationally-motivated. Like all monsters of soience.
My theory on what motivates many of the soience monster people within this thread: Fascists are not known for being nice people. Fascists are not known for obeying the law or being positive forces within their communities. IMO there are many fascists on this board who have committed hardcore, absolutely unforgivable crimes. I'm talking murders. I'm talking rapes. I'm talking the kidnapping and rape of children. And these are the people whom you are speaking to when you're on 4chan (especially /pol/).If you think this isnt true, then just look at the laundry list of confirmed murderers, rapists or pedophiles who were known to have been users of these boards. So when I talk about "life after death being real and im going to provide evidence for it", well this is a horrifying though to people who have committed these horrific crimes and essentially know theyll be burning in eternal hell.
>>42360896And, of course, with NDEs people do frequently report hellish ones, or witnessing versions of hell.I think its a place people go due to their own guilt. Since Im not a religion person. But in the end no human knows.
>>42360163>My background is in bioelectromagnetics and magnetobiology.Good, what is your opinion on EMF-inducible gene switches? :)
>>42360896reddit is back the other way, troon
>>42360107>>42360111
>>42360764anon didn't make a claim , he asked fellow minded anons to try to research with him.he never asked from the opinion of someone like you. or for you to be convinced.at least if you are going to do a critism actually have sources that could help with anon either discovering he is wrong or along , or help him with his problems. some xenophibia is important in research even in groups that could be in the wrong.
>>42360834doesn't astrology disprove this?at least the lack of mythos about star and even the planets being heaven.people still belive hell is very deep underground though that part is true.
>>42361033>muh sekrit club Nah, back to /pol/
>>42360859>>42360859>What has been proven time and time again is the desire for an afterlife makes you fundamentally retardedinteresting viewpoint assuming its not some kind of mistake in wording.a lot of people think the afterlife is only a cope a retard would belive in.but I would wager most smart people , would "desire" one, they just know they can't get one.why do you think the desire of the afterlife, less so than the belife makes you retarded.it is an interesting way of moving the question though , were even if the afterlife was real , we should pretend it isn't to conserve Iq.very interesting perspective , specially since you are claiming that its worldwide suported , and academically suported.
>>42360790because they're all rancid jews and the goyim having NDEs/OBEs disproves their belief in being the only ones with souls, and invalidates their claim to being superior beingsthey're ego tripping on it
>>42361001This was posted after I visited this page.https://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(26)00330-2
It's an interesting idea, but the thing confusing me is the if the "receiver" of the spirit shuts down when another spirit seizes control, how it that being received without it? Does it get inside entirely and essentially lock the door behind it to prevent the human spirits continued remote access? Or it is also accessing remotely, but through another area?
>>42360107There is literally zero scientific evidence that the brain produces consciousness. They have no idea how it arises. Scientists call it the "hard problem".Every single mystic tradition, however, has known for thousands of years that awareness gives rise to the physical world, not the other way around. And before you ask, it's by way of direct experience. All traditions spanning time and geography, with no way to collaborate, have come to this conclusion.
The brain is a crazy organ, it consist of billions of neurons to feel the pleasure of gooning.
>>42363459>Scientists call it the "hard problem".I might have a hard problem too ...
>>42363545Great, now so do I. Thanks
>>42363459>Every single mystic tradition, however, has known for thousands of years that awareness gives rise to the physical world, not the other way aroundThis is false. And even if it eren't, it's just a petty appeal to tradition.You will never be a real scientist.
>>42360887>OBEs produced during flatline is 100% provenExcept they aren't though. You can claim this as much as you want, it's still false, and just makes you alienate thoughtful people.
>>42361127>why do you think the desire of the afterlife, less so than the belife makes you retarded.At its roots the desire for the afterlife is not a desire for more life, it is a desire for life to be different in kind: permanent, secured against loss, freed from the terror of ending. The desire mistakes the nature of what makes life worth desiring.An ocean wave is not beautiful despite its brevity, it is beautiful as brevity. The crash, the spray, the translucence t the curl's peak exist because the wave is spending itself completely. A wave that never broke would not be a wave at all: it would be a wall.When existence becomes a layover, when this life is a waiting room and the afterlife becomes the destination, the value of the present moment is erased: it becomes mere scenery. The afterlife casts a shadow of insufficiency over the very life it claims to cherish. It says: this is not enough. This needs a sequel to mean anything.But meaning doesn't work that way, it is not deferred. It exists - or doesn't - in the here, the friction between beings, the moment grief cracks you open.If the injustices of this life are ultimately corrected in some cosmic ledger after death, then the urgency to correct them here is drained. Why wrestle with the brutal fact of a child's preventable death when some compensatory paradise irons out all accounts? It converts tragedy into a storyline that resolves off page, and this means we don't have to be the resolution.Belief in the afterlife makes life a means to the end of an afterlife. It's a form of nihilism where nothing matters except what happens after death with life getting its meaning from this relation. The desire for an afterlife is a desire for life to be just a means to an end.Desire for an afterlife is the ultimate form of retardation: a retarded orientation towards time and responsibility themselves.
>>42360101Good post OP, you are correct according to google
>>42363651It's an appeal to direct experience. And thank you for the compliment
>>42363656They are. People like you just dont accept information when its presented for you and make up relentless mental gymnastics / false explanations which obviously do not make sense / handwave away every experiencer's personal reported experiences as falsified or imaginary, in order to protect whatever your materialism agenda is.
>>42363799Shut up, OP.
>>42360101>source: trust me bro
>>42360101>muh capitalismYou are the weakest link. Goodbye.
>>42364117>>42364124>>42364137glowies HATE OP for one simple trick...
>>42364072It's simple. There is a period before and after flatline when the temporo-parietal junction is still active. You have given no evidence that OBE's are not produced during these periods, and instead during flatline. When asked out it, you flip out like a nigger monkey.
>>42364304>There is a period before and after flatline when the temporo-parietal junction is still active. You have given no evidence that OBE's are not produced during these periods, and instead during flatline.and you have given no evidence that it happens when you say
>>42364304Thats not even reality becuz, like I've said above, there are cases where people were hooked up to EEGs for planned surgeries and then died and had the NDEs. Pam Reynolds is one of the most famous examples of that and her brainwaves were monitored the whole time. Anyway, your whole assertion that the brain could hallucinate NDEs during periods of nil or almost nil activity anyway are obviously false + the brain wouldnt even be able to write them as new memories based on neuroscience so on every level its just another fictional cope. There's also people who report the details of their recuscitation or what the doctors did while they were confirmed flatlined.Plus on to of what the dude above me said >>42364347 where hes completely correct that youve made these false assertions with zero evidence. You people just plug your ears and cover your eyes and pretend you see none of the evidence presented. Every time.
>>42364400>>42364304PS I just want to put one more emphasis on this because I cannot emphasize it enough: What youre trying to do now is invoke implausible explanations which are neurologically impossible on the basis of your own strict materialism model. When the brain is in that state post-resuscitation it should be incapable of these vivid experiences, or vivid experiences of consciousness and it would be doubly incapable of overwriting itself to make no memories. So now you're arguing things which your own consciousness strict materialism model renders "impossible". I think thats just hilarious. Just hilarious.
They have been clamping our cords.Unclamp.
>>42360142Nope, you brought the topic up so it'a your responsibility to get the ball rolling unless you want your thread filled with people telling you to "prove it". Seethe more.
>>42364440No. Its not. I dont have any responsibility whatsoever for stating a fact and then having to somehow back it up or do research for angry mendacious agendapushers on the internet, who are only discussing anything in poor faith in the first place.If I wrote "trees are made of wood" on the internet then I dont need to back that up or "provide citations" in the same way I dont need to do this when I discuss the easily-demonstrably confirmed facts about the OBE and its relation to the TPJ which literally 100% of people who are curious can easily look up for themselves and find out im being completely on the level about.No I dont need to do what you tell me to do, just because youre a whiny, entitled, buttmad bitch who's mad about being confronted with facts that upset his meticulously constructed soience dogma and make you recognize how fake your bullshit beliefs are
>>42364440>>42364528Also, I dont need to do things just because you set up an arbitrary version of rules which you feel benefits you, in any given instance, by allowing you to randomly handwave away confirmable and undebatable facts. What I wrote in the OP about the TPJ are confirmable and undebatable facts. If you want to whine about citations and deny them that doesnt make them any less valid. Newsflash. And 100% of people who are interested in this topic enough to look it up are going to recognize "wow everything OP said was on the money". And if I did go out of my way to provide you with your beloved citations, then youd just ignore them anyway and pretend you didnt see them and continually pretend what I wrote is false because you operate from a premise of emotionally-motivated mendacity.So deny things as much as you want but it wont change one fact.
>>42363738aren't you in some ways doing an inversion of that though, in a way people who are in the "void" of non existance , that they are also free , from the change of well change?isn't to some degree non existance , as its ment to be a hard stance, a form of a religion, things can be ended , but they can also be restarted, yet that seems to never been able to happen to anyone. I have seen the people you talked about , their is something kind of wierdly bizar about what they are.but to some degree , your definition of beuty depends on you allready having a lot of stuff, to make something allready beutifull, and if i were to give those same manners to what after life people , could belive , then they could also resonably also have arguments as to why life is currently meaningfull,
>>42364538this is without getting as to why a smart person want that specific version of meaning, even if it were just because is right , that a smart person might in hubris just look at all existance as the story of them fixing all their problems, until their aren't any.the main thing is, if even the lack of afterlife , can still be used as a refuged.because their are a lot of people that use nonexistience to still have that feeling of life being a cause , to ignore anything interesting , any highercalling.then I think the problem you are descriving is more fucked that you give it credit for, and I am not sure if a vage concept of stakes through non existence is enough.thats without getting into how you can use a lot of similar logic to dismantle stuff in a similar manner.is life only meaningfull if we trully lack free will? , if we trully lack hapyness in a qualia sence , would that make it more romantic more selfless.would beliving that the you today is the same as the one yesterday, be a childish grasp at other peoples acomplisments , a disnhonor at the beuty of every single little moment.is the belife that anything you have done actually happened , just a foolish understanding , that , THAT powerless proves your purity , your intention would get tainted by results.you get too focused on making sure your food is good , that it makes people smile every day at the soup chitchen, using your telepathic delusional belife that you can tell because they spoke about it being good , when you could have just made it well for your beutifullness , and just have them a bunch of chees or something.it seems like romantisism tropelling over any non etheral understanding of goodness , meaning and beuty.but I do think you have a point anon, and it was a good read , I just think the point is way over the scale you think it is , your argument is complacent. keep up the good work anon.
>>42360101The mammalian brain is not just human. Those parts took millions of years to evolve. Since we started as cellular than means at some point the brain was just a sponge at stages trying to gain insight on the world around us. The brain is cellular evolution at its max But its also just the best we have- who knows what else we could be experiencing or locked potentials that were made dormant by evolution. >>42360111 Consciousness is the blend of hardwired brain pathways mixing with in the moment brain chemistry. Its looking out and looking in simultaneously. >>42360137You seem like you are asking for scientific explanations just so you can try to attack them with your pov of faith>>42360859Dont feed the trolls
