The reason why I posted that dialogue is that what happens presents a contradiction for "how the world/universe works" and that's why Kenjaku says that Mahito's theory must be wrong.

But Mahito then responds by proposing this theory that the world/universe functions differently for each person and their abilities, which is some mind fuck shit.

To bring this all back to the title of this thread, the reason why this anime scene always annoyed me, is because it presents us with a reality that is "hopeless" when it comes to occult/magic/supernatural pursuits, because there's no real way for any of us to help each-other out, because any advice/suggestions you get may be based on that persons personal abilities, which determines how "the world/universe" functions for them, which means they could genuinely be giving you advice "that works" not knowing that it only "works for them" and it likely won't work for anyone else.

I've noticed that the progress that I make doesn't make sense, because it isn't following the ruleset and trajectory I see others mention online, as if "it doesn't work like that for me" and that's why the scene annoyed me because I really hope it's not right but a lot of the things that have been happening are making me begin to think it's the truth.

It kind of makes all of the theorizing and arguing pointless, a complete waste of time, because not only are these conversations muddled by trolls, the delusional, and the mentally ill, now you have to throw in the variable that shit might actually just work like that for this specific person who is genuinely trying to help, and the guide they gave you to progress in your training is what they genuinely believe will work for others.

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It's really as if this is all designed on purpose to make occult/magic/supernatural pursuits a "personal project" on a path of solitude. Like the universe itself conspires to make it so that people on this path have no choice but to "go it alone". It's like that bible story where God made it so that everyone spoke different languages so the tower of Babel couldn't be built.

Now this doesn't mean you can't discuss and share info and techniques, but it's more like it's only useful for the purpose of getting ideas for things to test on your own, rather than discovering what actually works, because the truth may be that you have to find what works for you in order for it to be optimal and actually effective.

It's like there are no rules to follow. For example, there's one rule I just thought of mentioning in this post that might be a "loophole rule" (like a universal rule that is an exception to this "no rules" annoying shit), and that rule is "if something works, it simply works, and it works quickly". This is based on my own personal experience from the things that happened in my own practice and search.

But ironically, when I was just about to type that out, I realized that it's possible that this phenomenon might also be part of the "no rules" thing, and that it may just only work like that for me, because that's the framework that is suited to me and my "soul" or whatever. And it makes sense, I'm the kind of person that expects shit to work like that, so maybe that's why it works like that, like a quick natural filtering process so that I can find what works for me.

But this all just feels like gaslighting to me, as I'd much rather believe that it works like this for everyone, and it's simply that the modern era is drowning us all in false info and the "true methods" are hidden, so were all just stumbling in the dark and waiting to "luck our way" into something that finally works.

IDK, what do you guys think about this.

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This is somewhat related to my thread that I created recently. It's not the inspiration for the thread, but this framework for how the world/universe works has made me consider a lot of other options. Like maybe a lot of the training and practices some of us are doing are nothing but wasted time and effort, because the large majority of us have "blocks" or our abilities need to be "unlocked", and one of the ways to do that is to use certain "substances" that help us do that (things fabled for doing stuff like that throughout history - herbs, mushrooms, etc.).

Hence my thread here, in which I'm hoping I can get some more suggestions - >>42366319

I've seen some useful posts so far but I'd like to see some more, there's always something useful that one can be ignorant of.

There has to be some traditionally used substance I've never heard of that has been used ritualistically in history for spiritual/occult/magic awakenings that can be bought in a modern form today, but we think nothing of it today, and it may be that very thing that helps me (or others) take the next step.

On another note, why has /x/ become such garbage in recent years (like 5-10 years). There aren’t much of any interesting or useful threads anymore, it’s like it’s become /b/. Yeah 4chan has always been getting worse since the golden era, but it’s getting really bad now.

I’m kind of hoping this whole alien disclosure thing doesn’t just end up being some giant nothing burger like everything else. Maybe some documents get released that were writings by the “aliens” on the nature of the universe, or something else that would help on this path.

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I would really like to get your thoughts on how people are born with wounds and weirdly placed birthmarks, like what's your theories. Maybe kenjaku is right about the soul coming before the vessel.

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you seem like you might be approaching the point where some of the things i write about might make more sense

reality is an integral a-perspectival totality in which all of its parts interpenetrate with one another in dependent arising. this is acausality. at the same time, determinate constriction within this field creates a particular perspective. the reason why our consciousness always manifests as a particular contingent perspective is because consciousness is a filtration out of the deeper a-perspectival field. the brain tends to filter out irrelevant information and this includes various dimensions of a spiritual reality that is infinitely dimensional. different perspectives are hence particular points of access to this greater infinite dimensional interpenetrating hyper-phenomenal field of images. what can be done with this field is hence relative to what of this field is actually revealed to the practitioner
>soul defines the body
>the body is the soul, and the soul is the body
both are correct. body and soul are dependently arising together. their different techniques generate respective "perceptual biases" which filter out certain aspects of the field while including others. this is the truth of technique relativity

i wrote dense description of the process above because it is late and i cant be bothered. for more reading see the following links:
>https://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/theory-of-the-acausal/
>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/ext/sinnbildundsein.pdf
>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2025-08-27-How-to-Think-Organically.html
>https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/phil/terseaeonmat.html
in aeonic materialism is a particularly advanced formulation of technique relativity

>>42376175
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying, I'm not saying the theory about souls or whatever is true, the part I'm focusing on that I fear may be true, is that "magic" may "work" differently for each person, and maybe to a significant degree. My focus isn't on the framework of how abilities work between the two characters, but rather the theory they discussed about how these abilities work overall (the universe itself works differently for each person simultaneously).

That's why there are a lot of people you'll encounter online that will say they have practice qigong for 5 years but they've never literally felt qi, and it's because that wasn't the practice they should have stuck with and essentially they've never actually "practiced qigong", they just wasted 5 years doing slow movements and poses while breathing rhythmically.

Also, it was Mahito that said the soul comes before the vessel.

Now I do believe that the soul comes before the body, but regardless of that, my focus point was really just the possible reality that a lot of our time and effort may be wasted because we are actually supposed to spend our time testing and filtering out what doesn't work for us, rather than just merely finding a practice that interests us and blindly sticking to it "until it works", as if it will ever work.

This may be why there are more armchair magicians and delusional people who think Law Of Attraction works whilst never "manifesting" any significant "undeniable proof of magic" improvement to their lives (no lottery winners, no cancer remission without treatment, etc).

I honestly think most people in this space choose the wrong practices and then spend the rest of their lives gaslighting themselves into believing every minute coincidence is proof "it works", whilst their actual lives remain just as mundane as all the other people around them that never practiced what they did.

>>42376878
>what can be done with this field is hence relative to what of this field is actually revealed to the practitioner
I agree with this, I notice that this magic thing seems to work more like "unlocking an ability" rather than "learning a skill", but were all restricted to a specific range of abilities that we can unlock, based on who/what we are.

This is why most people are failing on this path (myself included as my progress is slow and random), because it's more about a process of discovery rather than a process of training as if effort will yield results, but most fish will never fly no matter how many times they jump out of the water (if they even has the capability to do so).

This is why I never liked generals like /omg/ (occult & magic general) or most recently /ecg/ (energy cultivation general), because they don't point this out. They just present the readers with a large library of stuff to sift through and sends them on a wild goose chase. No method of filtering practices, no timeline for when you should move on from a practice, nothing, they are set up to fail, and that's why 99% will never find anything that truly works, but will instead just end up gaslighting themselves into believing that something works when it produces no tangible results in their life.

The greatest lie of the modern era is that "Effort = Results", and that lie precipitates into every aspect of the lives of the people that believe it. It's capability and potential that matters, and if you don't have those things, you'll never get any results no matter how much effort you put it. This is why your time and effort should be directed towards things you have potential and capability for.

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>>42376878
As for your actual writings, they honestly just seem too complicated for me, and I'm much more interested in your practice rather than your theory, since it would give me more things to test out, so I can figure out what works for me.

Are there any specific meditative techniques you've tried that worked? (I tried Wim Hof and all it really does is make my face and hand tingle a bit, but no significant experience or noticeable changes)

Any energy work techniques? (like qigong)

Any substances you consumed that caused some kind of supernatural phenomena? - >>42366319

I think what people actually need on the occult path are "precursors". Things that stimulate each individual in ways that helps them learn what they are actually capable of, and the easiest and simplest things like this to test, are substanes (like nootropics), which is why I'm currently shifting in that direction of experimentation.

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yes it is just like jujutsu. curse Energy is in the mental-sphere collective consciousness.

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>>42377290
for practice i just got done writing this, though it is largely focused on biokinesis which you might not find interested:
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/how2.html
something i emphasize here is how you can change how your body tunes into the field in various different ways, and this guides the main thrust of my approach

>>42377388
*interesting

>>42377388
>for practice i just got done writing this
I'll look into it

Well guys, gonna be gone for most of the day, keep the thread alive if you can.

There is a field of paradoxes upon which the whole world is constructed, meaning that there are rules divinely set than can't be broken, and the first of those divine unbroken rules might be that there are no rules.
>if something works, it simply works, and it works quickly
I can attest to this with my own experience, but that's not important. What is important is "how to we make things that don't happen, happen, and happen easily and quickly?"
And the answer might be effortlessness towards the thing through having evolved yourself past the need for the thing. This seems to be another one of those divine rules.
You will never achieve the thing, unless you have transcended the need for that thing; although your actions no longer work towards achieving that thing and your identity and existence is no longer threatened by the absence of that thing, you nonetheless attract that thing by your mere existence. That is efortlessness. So it's no longer about getting the thing, it's about yourself being the thing that attracts the thing. That's the state of transcending the thing, and upon reaching that state, you can then effortlessly achieve the thing if your actions even so slightly align with achieving it. And in actuality it will be harder to avoid getting that thing, than to simply get it.
This plays into the larger theme of your thread that things simply work or don't work no matter what. And if there's even some sort of recognizable undercurrent for things working or not working, it's that things "seem" to work more for people who don't need it/aren't threatened by the lack thereof, than they do for people who need it or who are threatened by the lack thereof. Meaning that the harder you work towards a thing, the harder it will be for you to achieve that thing. What you need to work towards is being the thing that makes the other things come to you effortlessly. You don't work to get women, you work to become a man that attracts women effortlessly

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>>42374772
I think it's a general problem of people misunderstanding what magic is in the first place. It's not the problem of perspective but definition, or rather a perspective of definition.

What magic is AS A WHOLE is what we describe as mental processes of our inner mind. If you really think about it, you are practicing magic every day. What you or what people refer to "magic" is no lt necessary a "physical incantation or creations of visible matter just like in books or movies". This definition we arrive through exact capitalist/material view that please our world today where everything we do or create have to have certain tangible "power over physical reality".

Spells are really your thoughts, intentions and "energy/aura" you give off or bring while interacting with other people, nothing really else. What we see in media, for example in the same jjk, the "curse teqniques" or "cursed spirits" are nothing more that you inner personal mentality fighting against outside world, using a methaphores of monsters and channeled mystical energies. Monster, or cursed spirits in this case could be you "cursed throughs" or "inner demons", like thoughts of murder, depression or deception. The reason why people able to fight "cursed spirits" together is because often people share struggles and can relate to them.

I hope you get the point, it's really hard thing to comprehend for alot of people because it implies a world that is extremely different from what we...let's say..hope it to be, and this is where your fear is coming from, this view is not fun ...at all.

With that said, going back to your initial question. If we know that this is how would operates, the idea of "individual wisdom" because painfully clear, since there is no "special schools of magic that is specifically for a certain people only", there is technically, but really, what people referring to than is approaching to self realization basically - personal psychology.

>>42374785
It just means that there is a higher truth than what you are currently operating at. IE magic systems must be split from something and thus be lower truths, or else only one system would work. This implies the existence of ONE THING that all else is born from.
Basically read Universal Line texts.

>>42374772
Consciousness comes before matter, but when it comes to the body, it's another side of the same coin, the other being the soul.
Your soul manifests your body when you incarnate, so the latter reflects the former.
Think of an electrical current vs the corresponding magnetic field. They're the same thing looked at from different perspectives, and you can manipulate one through the other.
It's not that the soul needs a body to exists, mind you. It manifests as one. It's also a platform it uses to grow.

>>42377388
That's all very interesting, but I know you got into this because you don't like being a fat cow, and you haven't managed to change that.
Protip: eat less, and exercise.

>>42377388
>>42379057
Sorry, I was wrong. You are a man who wants to be a woman, and no amount of "biokinetics" is going to change that.
I don't envy you for having to bear that cross until the day you die.

>>42377482
>You will never achieve the thing, unless you have transcended the need for that thing
Speak for yourself, maybe that rule applies to you, but it doesn't apply to me. This sounds like some limiting self gaslighting nonsense.

Everything that worked for me was something I wanted really badly to work, and I think all forms of "gaslight magic" are nonsense and part of a psyop to get people who are "seekers" to give up on magic and the occult.

For example, Law Of Attraction is the best example of what I call "gaslight magic". It's some fake nonsense created as a psyop to get people to give up on the supernatural/magic, because the entire "system" revolves around gaslighting yourself and blaming yourself everytime it doesn't work, and to top it off it can't even be tested properly in any logical way that eliminates the possibility of placebo or coginitive biases, it's literally structured so that your only option is to blame yourself or lower your standards of what you consider to be a "feat".

This is why you'll see idiots in the LOA General thread say that their proof of LOA working was:
1. One guy said he "manifested" a specific bread appearing in the bread aisle of his local grocery.
2. Another guy said he "manifested" his door being unlocked one day (rather than assuming he simply forgot to lock the door, something a lot of people have done).

LOA revolves around gaslighting yourself and lowering your standards, and any (alleged) system of magic that does one or both of these things is what I consider to be part of the psyop and it's what I will avoid.

>it's that things "seem" to work more for people who don't need it/aren't threatened by the lack thereof
No, things simply work more for those suited to it, no different than some people have allergies to certain foods while others can eat it without consequence, it has nothing to do with effort or desire, and everything to do with potential and capability.

>>42374772
Nootrol

Im sorry but I can tell youre just migga wearing another hat

>>42374807
>>42374785
>>42374778
>>42374772
JJK just basically confirmed chaos magick

>>42377193
Loa worked for me when I lost my job and bounced back, even getting $2k from delta airlines

Im sorry anon, dofferent techniques really do work differently for ither people

>>42379508
It sounds like JJK btfo'd what you thought LoA is

This whole thread is just a LoA salt

>>42379529
>JJK just basically confirmed chaos magick
Nothing is confirmed until you can do it yourself (a feat of magic) in an undeniable way that can't be explained away by coincidence, self delusion, or mental illness, and most importantly you can repeat the feat multiple times (atleast 2 more times, so three successful executions in total).

Or atleast, that's the standard I am applying to myself, because I hate self delusion, and I don't value belief, I value knowing, and an undeniable certainty and confidence in my abilities.

Anything else is just playing mental gymnastics games with yourself.

>>42379556
>dofferent techniques really do work differently for ither people
I do believe this is true, but I also believe something worse. Most "techniques" publicly out now aren't techniques, they are garbage purposefully put out to flood the information network with nonsense to dissuade and misguide seekers. They are easy to spot, but sadly most people are desperate and they have low standards to begin with, so once they get caught in that web it's over.

>Loa worked for me when I lost my job
1. Other people who never practiced LOA also lost their job and bounced back, and some even got more back from Delta Airlines than you did under similar circumstances.
2. There are people who won the lottery without ever hearing about LOA, but let me guess, this is where you ironically say that - "they were practicing LOA without knowing it" lol (remeber what I said about self gaslighting)
3. Why is it that LOA has never gotten a lot of you guys out of wage slavery period?. LOA seems to always be used for "Wage Slave Magic" (getting a job) but never used for "Financial Freedom Magic" (lottery, day trading, etc.).
4. Ask yourself a simple question - "If LOA can only grant me the same mundane results in life as everyone else around me who never practices it, then how do I truly know it's even working?"

I posted the same thing in the witchcraft thread, but I’ll briefly summarize here. I don’t think anyone can do “magic,” I think there are unknown entities with power (technological or otherwise) that play along with certain people to give the impression that what they’re doing is working for them. It feeds the ego, makes people feel powerful, and focuses their attention on the specifics of their rituals instead of the entities that are playing with them.
Essentially, if you get their attention, whatever you did technically “worked,” just not in the way you’d think. People do all sorts of rituals and have it “work” for them, and other people do the same rituals and nothing happens. The key here is whether or not these entities decide to play along, whether or not you can actually draw their attention.
What I do believe actually works for everyone is meditation and energy manipulation, that’s what I did to gain the attention of these entities. Perhaps clearing your mind allows them to synchronize with you better and work through you, perhaps the energy we produce is the fuel they use to make things work.
The reason I posted this here is because your posts made me think about this more, since, like you said, it seems to be personalized to an extent, and different things work for different people. Just offering an alternate explanation for you, other than thinking you’re literally altering the universe depending on your own personal “awakening”

>>42379569
>This whole thread is just a LoA salt
You must be mentally ill if that's what you got from this thread. I've never even tried LOA and saw no reason to, specifically because it can't really be tested in any strict way, and I only care about forms of "magic" I can test and experiment with. I like practices that remove doubt and the possibility of coincidence or self delusion, that's part of my "filtering process", and you know what, it's working great, I found things that worked that way, I've found what kinds of practices I am inclined towards and I'm getting closer and closer to understanding the core framework of how all this works for me.

You will never be able to do that if you practice LOA. It's just a blind faith practice, like a religion. Honestly it just seems to get to a point where you just end up calling any and everything that happens in your life the result of "LOA" (hence my example of the guy from a thread who claimed that he manifested the bread he wanted at the grocery).

LOA is designed to make you lower your standards over time for what you consider to be a "feat of magic", and to make you gaslight yourself everytime you begin to question whether it works or not. This is what I have observed from the users, and it is unhealthy and ridiculous.

There's nothing you can really test properly in LOA and the framework + culture of the community just revolves around gaslighting people when it doesn't work, and asserting that it is infalliable and could never possibly be fake.

It's really like a cult.

>>42379556
>>42379569
Now I'll end this here, because this thread isn't my "anti-LOA" thread.

Honestly, some people need to filter themselves out and fail. Everybody can land on the true path and win, because if everybody did then nobody would. This is a where world where there sadly there just has to be winners and losers due to the scarcity of resources. If someones mind remains unchanged so be it, it's their problem.

It's hard to say what would work because the type I use it between native American magic and bloodline magic

>>42379678
If are part of a bloodline, I guest it would make perfect sense that magic related to it would work for you. It's as if your ancestors have already done "some of the leg work" to make you capable of it.

In that same sense, this is why I think it's not a suprise that there are a lot of old families that are part of secret societies that are ruling the world behind the scenes. They are likely practicing some form of magic, and it's easier for them to do things that defy reality and affect reality with their magic, since they are part of a bloodline that has already "done some of leg work"

So just by being born of that bloodline has earned you the right to be more capable for affecting reality than others, you inherently meet certain prerequisites, whereas people like myself born into mundane familiies will have to do our own leg work.

It has its upside and downside to it because before you get to even touch the magic aspect of it you have to go through the condition that was set and you don't get to know what it is, but once you achieve that set condition unless you are trying to let the magic pretty much take control of your life then yeah you can use it for what ever purpose. But there's a catch to everything and if your not willing to pay the price that is set for what you are seeking then you are forfeiting your life. Everyone is so quick to say they can pay that price but they are not. In "my clan" you have to forgo any emotion and that's not even to start that is just a prequisite to say the least. I know it's not really what your lookin for but keep in mind most magic practitioners get to where they are is not as simple as more would have you believe.

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Final bump. Last time I'm gonna do a revival bump for this thread (unless something interesting or unknown is mentioned in it).

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Kind of makes sense desu. If it all is a test or we're supposed to come to some understanding then really you have to do it on your own. Earth is a gigantic art school, and you have to figure out if you're going to paint some masterpiece or splash shit against the wall. I also think your role/duties evolve as you go along, so you can't even have a fixed path for life. At some point you get pushed off the babby trail and into the undergrowth. I've watched a lot of people say a lot of things, read a lot of things I thought should help... the one's that helped the most were the sources I was drawn too. So maybe it's OK, because something may work only for that other person, but it's still general good advice, and by partaking in it you are at least partaking in the lifestyle of seeking. And when you do find the things that work for you, it's almost like the stars align and you just know. Still sucks a little.

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Also for shame /x/. OP posts a good effort bread but has to spend half the bumping it. Kyle fucking Odom posts and you all ignore him. Get out the succ threads and get it together. Let's at least try to help one another, because it's still the nicest and best thing to do.

>>42383666
i don't like most of those things you listed.
OP needs a TL;DR

>>42383672
Just read you lazy fuck.

>>42383649
>Earth is a gigantic art school, and you have to figure out if you're going to paint some masterpiece or splash shit against the wall.
You kind of set up a dangerous jok here.... we all know what happens when some people get rejected from art school....

>Still sucks a little
Sucks a lot, really annoying. I planned on writing some book one day to help others out so that the standards of these spaces would change and all of the "vague speaking" and misdirection bullshit would finally end. But if my writings ultimately won't help anyone because the guidance won't work for them, then this reality is even more fucked.

>>42383672
This thread is for aspiring "mages" (or whatever field of occult practice someone is into). People who genuinely believe that this stuff is real and possible, but you need to find a path that actually works.

If your attention span is that bad (which is sad, because my attention span is garbage) then this thread has nothing to do with you, because nobody with such low interest for something like this would ever "make it" anyways.

TLDR - If this doesn't interest you enough to read a bit, then don't bother with the thread, it's a waste of your time.