Clearly all or almost all paranormal entities are variations of the same basic system. Fairies, UFOs, Bigfoot, ghosts, ancient gods, tulpas, succubi, demons, Hat Man, are way too phenomenologically similar to section off as categorically different things or species. Many people have made this exact point already. So who did it best?In the milieu of Valleé, Keel, Pasulka, Kripal, Cutchin, Gillis, et. al., who are your favorite unifying theorist authors? Who explains it all in the most clean, succinct, convincing way?
>>42378861Mac Tonnies for the aliens and Michael Talbot or David Bohm for the quantum mechanics
>>42378861whats with the appeal too suppisitonal authority when any x lurker can answer this casually?the prime material from which all systems arise is consciousness, source is the retrocasual gestalt of logos ie the memetic inertial of all, when you sleep you dream alone when you wake we dream together.
>>42379974Because that doesn’t answer the question about the specific class of phenomena we call paranormal entities. That’s as much an explanation for bees and trees and gravity as it is for anything paranormal. Idealism operates at the ontology level, whereas these specific theorists operate at the phenomenal and behavioral level; they’re modeling a subset of manifest systems, not the underlying nature of the universe.
>>42380603>Because that doesn’t answer the question about the specific class of phenomena we call paranormal entitiesit dose though like entirely.>Because that doesn’t answer the question about the specific class of phenomena we call paranormal entities. That’s as much an explanation for bees and trees and gravity as it is for anything paranormalthats exactly the point^the underlying nature of the universe is that phenomenon and behavior are ontologically idealistic
>>42381511You sound like a douchebag like Jay Dyer. You solipsism retards are the worst on this board. You glow bright as fuck
>>42381855your poor at labeling if you think "when you wake we dream together" is solipsistic, but did it make you feel better?and since you went there, all the art bell shit you wanna deep dive is gen x glow negro propaganda - shits not even bright anymore, its dim, and old.
>>42382051You’re poor at spelling but what art bell shit are you referring to? I’m not OP you faggot
>>42382051What do you mean by “dream together” specifically, is the world just the agreed-upon overlap between our otherwise segregated experiences? Is there less in that middle ground than we’d care to admit? I don’t think it’s solipsism but it’s fairly close, closer to it than any intentional creation account.I am the OP, and I also want to know what Art Bell stuff you were invoking here. I’ve heard of him but he was before my time and there’s too much content to just pick a spot and dive in without contextualizing or specifying.
>>42384132>art bellconspiracy, aliens, paranormal
The older I get, the less I think the paranormal is a collection of separate phenomena and the more I think it’s one underlying process expressing itself through whatever symbolic vocabulary a culture can absorb.Not a zoo of unrelated entities.A single pressure system wearing local masks.Fairies, Marian apparitions, UFO occupants, machine elves, djinn, Bigfoot, tulpas, shadow people, prophetic dreams, synchronicities, near-death visions, psychedelic encounters, simulation intuitions — they behave too similarly at the edges to be fully separate.The aesthetics change.The mechanics don’t.You repeatedly see: trickster logic, symbolic recursion, telepathy-adjacent communication, missing time, ritual amplification, emotional contagion, and experiences that feel both external and psychologically intimate.The phenomenon adapts to expectation too quickly to behave like ordinary biology.That’s the tell.This is why Valleé still feels foundational to me. Not because he solved it, but because he stopped asking the wrong question. He stopped treating entities as discrete organisms and started treating the phenomenon as an adaptive system interacting with human consciousness through symbols, myth, absurdity, and staged experience.Keel understood the theatrical paranoia of it. Pasulka understands techno-mysticism. Kripal understands the religious dimension. Cutchin sees the continuity between folklore and modern encounters.But Valleé remains the pivot point because he recognized the phenomenon behaves less like extraterrestrial visitation and more like language, ecology, dream, or weather.The medieval monk saw angels.The folkloric villager saw fairies.The Cold War saw greys.Now people encounter simulations, AI archetypes, and liminal intelligences.Same storm.Different symbolic vocabulary.
>>42384132>Art Bellhe faked a radio show for years, getting people to call-in pretending they were werewolfs, abductees, secret government employees etc it was all 100% bullshit but good entertainment.
>>42385069I asked about unifying theorists. People who take the whole range of entity phenomena and try to explain it all in one coherent argument. Valleé, Keel, Pasulka, Kripal, Cutchin, Gillis, et. al.
>>42385105Obvious AI, gross, go away, poo on you
>>42385109100% bullshit? youre not sus at all glowfag
>>42384132>What do you mean by “dream together” specificallyi dont know if i could say it simpler, in your next statement you mention agreements and segregated experience, but do you ever agree to dream, do you ever experience anything in isolation? when i say when we wake we dream together what i mean is that each individual in this world accrues a memetic inertia from all their experience (call if the law of assumption if you will) and that everything seemingly constant in this world is only so because the current weight of memetic inertia would require a like weight in contrast to event halt, let alone change the course of it.>>42385109this guy summed up bell rather well but to add, what happens when whole populations start to believe this kinda shit may be lurking in the periphery if what ive mentioned here is the case?
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