there is bot. but it gets scumbed too fast by the federal agents.

>>42381240

so there isn't

Souls probably exist to an extend they're just not "on the nose" or how we've imagined them, i've never seen one nor i claim that but it's not impossible to believe that "ghosts" exist in some way and we're just imagining it wrong

>>42381233
It doesn't matter how much "proof" exists, no one believes it unless they experience it themselves. Heck, maybe no one should believe in ghosts unless they've actively sought them out like I and so many others have. You want to know? Seek and learn.

>>42381341
I can prove cars exist. I can show you them. You probably see them every day too.
Same with any random thing. I bet you don’t see an abacus very often, if at all but it’s not feasible to deny they ever existed.
But you want to larp as someone who finds ghosts no problem but can’t show anyone else because you need to be seen as a shitty guru.
You can only larp.

You cant prove a metaphysical concept exists by looking for physical evidence of of it. This is where every ifuckinglovescience debunker falls flat on their face, they seek proof a spirit like its an undiscovered species of fish.

>>42381233
This dipshit never heard of ben drowned

>>42381341
What's your story, though? Would you be ok with sharing?
>>42381823
>You cant prove a metaphysical concept exists by looking for physical evidence of of it.
Can it be proved in some way?

>>42381233
The time has effectively run out for proving ghosts, at least by conventional means. AI is making it impossible to discern reality.

>>42381823
This is basically saying that it has no physical substance at all. So by your metric no one can ever see a ghost like that thing in OPs photo. It would have no physical substance to see
So what is it you are trying to push now?
>o-only those who are gifted like me can sense them!
Whatever larp shill.

File: 1778542880539003.png (2.89 MB, 1920x1920)

2.89 MB PNG

>>42381233
I watch ghost hunts on Youtube and Twitch. The most believable ghost hunts are the ones being livestreamed. The ghost captures are usually by sound, and when objects are being knocked down or thrown across the room. The spirit box or the 'Estus Method' for communication are interesting too.

>>42381993
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is AI Stopping You From Finding What Is Real Hahahaha Anon Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Anon Close Your Eyes Haha

>>42382008
Calm down. You can discern stupid things like dogs rescuing babies from plane crashes and things that flat out defy physics and probability, but generate something subtle for a much speculative subject like this and all of a sudden it's not that easy anymore (watermarks can only go so far).

>>42382027
Then go outside and find one instead of looking on the net.

>>42382179
Don't care for junk like this.

>>42382003
NO
IT IS
JEF..

>>42381233
almost like they don't exist

>>42381233
soientism is why we can't have "irrefutable proof"
there are all kinds of sciences and one of the most misguided things scientists are try to do is to hold every science to the standard of rigor that obtains in physics. and if you take a look at the data you'll see there’s a huge amount of empirical evidence suggesting this whole realm of ghosts is real and that consciousness and personal identity persist beyond permanent bodily death
it doesn’t take long to notice that “scientism,” or rigid materialism, rules out from the start even the possibility that consciousness could exist beyond the brain (((for reasons))). but for why you ask? to get you to accept that everything is driven by physical causes, that free will is an illusion, and that human experiences, choice, responsibility, creativity, emotion, meaning are nothing more than mechanical processes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7vCBxOziTQ

>>42382417
>rules out from the start even the possibility that consciousness could exist beyond the brain
Sure, if you ignore the hundreds of years of scientists doing everything they could to study this. They only "rules it out" after trying everything you could think of and not getting anything that could be presented as proof.
Harry Houdini didn't create a secret phrase with his wife because he "ruled out" being able to contact dead people. She ruled out every person that claimed they could because none could give the secret phrase.

>>42382432
you completely ignored the last part. what exactly do you think im arguing for in the last part? im very heavily heavily heavily implying that there’s an agenda tied to maintaining a control matrix, and that the absolute denial of the soul or consciousness existing beyond our material form, is a crucial part of that.

i can unpack why I think that, or at least explain my current best understanding of it. but im telling you now: if you’re deliberately trying to misunderstand me, or just arguing from a devil’s advocate position for the sake of it, I’m not going to continue the conversation. im not here to entertain debate games in my free time.

The bible establishes they are a real phenomenon, but it doesn't quite explain what they are.

>>42382198
So you won’t go outside to find one.
So you can’t find a ghost unless it’s an image on the internet
And if it does then it might be AI or fake.
Sounds like your ghost hunting days are over.
They never even began.

>>42382449
>you completely ignored the last part
Correct. I am only concerned with smacking you for being stupid and ignorant about the scientific endeavors to study exactly what you said they ruled out from the start.
Every other bit of blather and distraction you write is ignored.

>>42382461
The bible also bans you eating shellfish but it doesn’t quite explain why.

>>42382506
Past tense; God abolished dietary laws 2000 years ago, but you are right, we're only told these things were shadows of stuff that goes on in heaven, but that's as far as scripture goes.

>>42382530
A good reminder that God does change his mind.

>>42382689
That's not God changing His mind, that's God giving a specific rule to a specific people at a specific point in time for a specific reason and deprecating it when it has fulfilled it's purpose.

>>42382733
And do you accept that the sacrifice of Jesus might ALSO be one of those specific things, and could change, it might have already changed?
Or is it only in the past that God did things for specific time and place, and now in current times everything is the eternal plan that will never change?

>>42382779
The Gospel as we know it hasn't changed, but it will during the tribulation, so nobody will be getting saved by faith anymore, and salvation itself will not have the exact same reward or mechanism as it does today:

“And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.” (Revelation of John 14:6-7)

>>42381943
>>42381999
NTA but do the work, you don't need some special gift or whatever, just spiritual practice and you will experience /x/.

>>42382811
>The Gospel as we know it hasn't changed
How do you know? What specifically changes it?
Also, PLENTY of things that are from the time you say is no longer relevant are still enforced.
>nobody will be getting saved by faith anymore
Again, you have no ability to tell God what is and isn't going to change.
God could very well alter this and you are just plain wrong.

>>42381233
There is. Go watch Ghost Adventures or go to his Haunted museum irl.

>>42382939
Only the /fox/ posters
Praise Timmy.

>>42382944
>How do you know?
The bible says so and I even quoted the verse for you.

>What specifically changes it?
The fact that the tribulation will have God manifest Himself in such a way to the earth that nobody will need faith for anything because it all will be out in the open, thus salvation becomes specifically an issue of obeying God when He tells you not to take the mark of the beast and/or worship the beast.

>Also, PLENTY of things that are from the time you say is no longer relevant are still enforced.
Correct. Moral statutes from the law remain intact even though we have a different way of dealing with sin and crimes due to NT grace brought about by the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>Again, you have no ability to tell God what is and isn't going to change.
Correct. I'm just quoting what God Himself put in the bible.

>God could very well alter this and you are just plain wrong.
Whatever happens cannot contradict what scripture says will happen. God is not schizo.

>>42383018
He must be schizophrenic. He keeps changing his mind.
He couldn’t even manage to produce a canonical version of his bible. Humans been putting different versions together for years. Gospels aren’t even the same.
Remember when this was a ghost thread?

>>42381233
Direct personal experience has been providing the proof on an individual basis. If you don't have direct personal observations then you don't have a qualified opinion on the subject.
You can talk about your own experience of not seeing anything that could serve as proof but it will never have any impact on the number of times I have. Nor would it serve any purpose for me to tell you about the experiences or for me to in increase the number of experiences I have. You are going to have to experience it for yourself.

For me that question is resolved. That they exist is not in question. What they are and how they function has yet to be correctly measured and recorded by current scientific means.. therefore current scientific means are inadequate to detect what human consciousness is able to perceive.

You seem to want ghost stories.
I have experiences that qualify as ghost stories, what I want is science that can measure and record what these presences are. It's not a question of whether or not something extraordinary exists. Perhaps the electromagnetic spectrum of frequencies is not a full measure of the energetic fields around us. Perhaps there is much more to find even in our ordinary mundane existence.

>>42383042
Nope. For an english speaker today, He preserved the King James Bible, every jot and tittle exactly as He promised.

>>42383055
Oh really? God wrote that specific version? You sure it wasn’t committee of 47 scholars and clergymen working in several groups over several years?
So all the other versions for millions of people over the years are wrong?
You have a real limited view of the world.

>>42383077
He did, just like He oversaw the preservation of the other versions in it's lineage. Some books labeled as bibles are alexandrian-type corruptions and some aren't, and for an English speaker today, the KJV is what God wants us to read. Of course coming to that conclusion takes some studying, but what's not up for debate is God's promise to preserve His word:

“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)

Which He considers to be more important than his own name:

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalms 138:2)

Which you cannot even take in vain without getting in trouble:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7)

And what kind of God inspires something just to let it be lost to human corruption and error? That's not the almighty God of the Bible.

Also God's solemn warning against anybody messing with His book:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation of John 22:18-19)

>>42383107
Ok so some versions of the bible are wrong according to you. But some people disagree with you.
Why trust you? Why are you better than the Catholic Church? Why are you better than the Eastern Orthodox?I don’t even know that you are better than Ethiopian Orthodoxy who even include pats of the Infancy Gospel of Thomas.
You seem like an anon who is just wrong a lot.
The other guys seem to have a longer heritage.
You are probably a blasphemer.

>>42383124
Never trust some random anon. Do your research as I did mine, ask God for guidance and come to your own conclusions.

>>42382496
look, the reason you’re acting like this is because something (mildly perhaps )shook one of your core belief systems about ghosts, the afterlife, and more generally how reality itself works. and then you put yourself into this smug, narrow-minded position where you’ve already decided how the world works, and now you’re only trying to reinforce those beliefs instead of constantly investigating, letting go of, and replacing fear based beliefs. there’s nothing to be afraid of here.
im telling you this as a man who grew up in a poltergeist haunted home, I can assure you, your smug r/ohmyscience attitude is rooted in very, very deep fears.

If you are turning to a book of dogma for your guidance instead of turning to your own ability to perceive reality then you are not even trying.
The dogma instrument was created as a harness to keep you from being difficult to control.
You have been harmed by it more than you will ever know.

If you had half a clue you would vehemently oppose the indoctrination.

Shilling Peter Laws for good measure: https://www.youtube.com/@IntoTheFog/videos

>>42382485
Hey, Einstein. He means any footage he may capture will simply be lambasted as fake thanks to all the charlatans before AI.

>>42383492
Thanks genius.
So why does he not take it to the next level and capture the entire ghost.
Why take a photo.
You have to dominate the spirit.
Always thinking so tiny.
>I I saw a ghost! Photo now!
Pathetic.

>>42381943
>What's your story, though? Would you be ok with sharing?

I don't see why not. I grew up on the streets of New Haven, struggling every day for a cheesesteak. Some days, best we did was scraps. Bit of gristle here, bit of provolone there. Never once did we complain.

>>42381233
My mom is a caretaker, and she told me that back in the 2000s she used to look after a woman in her 80s. She was kinda schizo, but she’d always tell my mom and the nurses that she hated going home because there was a man in a hat sometimes sitting on top of her wardrobe, watching her. Other times, she said it would be hanging from the chandelier like a hanged man. I was like, how the hell did she know about the shatman, I thought that was just an internet meme.

>>42383458
Sounds like you have already given up. Sad but understandable these days. You found relief and cope in reductionist materialism

>>42383458
No one can prove this post wrong.

>>42381233
The instruments we have are designed to observe and measure the physical universe, while ghosts, UFOs, cryptids etc exist in the (I hate this word) quantum universe. It's like asking why cant I see colors in a black and white photo. The tools we have don't consider other dimensions or realities, and our minds are also locked in a materialistic view of universes as well. That's the best answer I can give you.

>>42383458
Because the nigger celebrity hyper materialist physicist on the TV told you so, right?

File: Icannever.jpg (13 KB, 275x275)

13 KB JPG

Because the space where your thoughts and emotions exist is an entirely different dimension of reality, so when you're there, you're on your own

File: 61cFkqdYtTL._AC_UL600_SR6(...).jpg (35 KB, 600x600)

35 KB JPG

>>42384409
I can prove its a midwit take full of contradictions but he ain't gonna like it!

>supernatural
No such thing as the supernatural. Theres only the natural, and the parts of the natural that we dont yet have the definitions to understand.

>souls
It's a holographic universe brah. That is this physical universe is the template of the 5th dimensional universe and so on and on all the way up to the 12th dimension. So why do you still keep thinking that you are a body that has a soul? You are the "soul" having a dream that you are a body.

>no reason to live
Why do you say then that reality is a giant playground for us to explore? You identified the truth while trying to deny it the same time? Even if you say there is no meaning, you are still the creator of that definition, ergo you've just created meaning. BUT maybe you just meant that you currently do not experience a meaning that satisfies you, so you create equally unprovable assumptions while claiming superiority because it rejects other unprovable assumptions. Which btw are not that unprovable. You would know that if you would've done your research properly.
It's such a typical midwit atheist, materialist take. All you're sayin is consciousness is accidental, subjective experience is chemically generated, existence is fundamentally indifferent, value is artificial, love is evolutionary programming, purpose is basically something we just imagine and construct.
But then again this is just your philosophical position. Not a scientific conclusion. But AGAIN, science measures mechanisms NOT ultimate meaning. It's a toolbox for us to build cool shits, not ontology.
The main flaw in your midwit argument is you think reduction means explanation. Like as if I'd ask you to describe Mozart and you answer well duh it's just air vibrations
You're soulles on the most autistic ways possible. Cynicism feels safe because disappointment cannot touch it.
Do the homework read pic rel, it's a good start.

>>42384443
Granted your reasoning, would it be correct to affirm that belief in ghosts, UFOs, cryptids etc is entirely dependent on faith (i.e. belief that is not based on proof)?

>>42382530
God didn't abolish the damage your health that they cause.

>>42381233
why do ghosts wear clothes? do clothes have souls? do clothes go to heaven? what about shoes? if i'm wearing a strap-on when i die do i take it to heaven?

if ghosts were the spirits of dead people they'd all be naked. the fact they aren't suggests that ghosts are a mental apparition that WE create through interaction. how? hell do i know.

>>42381341
How do you find them? I believe in ghosts but have never had a paranormal experience before.

>>42384672
The dietary laws had nothing to do with health.

>>42382179
The internet is how information is shared though. You can maybe find a ghost on your own, but only you will know about it. The internet is required to share it with the world.

>>42384394
>>42384409
>>42384448
Wtf what did he say?

>>42384812
If you actually go to heaven, you don't wander around on earth to begin with.

>>42384812
From your post it is clear that you are carrying a lot of mental baggage.
That's what you will continue carrying once you have left your current body for the last time.
The mental image of the self has the ability to extend the presence of consciousness into the material that has been familiar to the consciousness.
What is visible to an observer is that mental imagery of the concept of self.. after the body is no longer capable of supporting life there is a part of the consciousness that continues to inhabit the surrounding areas as if it is possible to return.. timeless waiting with an awareness of the environment ongoing and continuous.
Part of this shadow of the former self will recall the former locations that were familiar during the life and will return to locations to review the memories through direct contact with the environment as it is now while immersed in the memory of how it was then.
The living essence of the person will be moved to a new set of attachments while this shadow of the former self persists in repetition. Any energetic fields that impact the presence of consciousness will have the effect of enhancing the sense of awareness inherent in the presence of this shadow of the former self. Functions of consciousness of the living being in their current physical material presence can invoke resonance and attachment to the presence of the former self.. the new body can discover the memory of the previous existence.. far beyond the recent lives to the lives in which the deepest lessons were experienced

The attachments to others through these energetic fields are the basis by which a person may have perception of connection to the apparent presence of a cultural heritage presence of ancestors.

Learning to see beyond human attachments can result in a clear view of the perspective of other beings that are providing oversight and guidance to humanity.
Supposedly it is possible to go directly to god.. but spoiler alert; you are already there

>>42385845
Stupid people are left in ignorance guessing that literature left behind by others will somehow guide them through their ignorance to the knowledge of perception that they reject their own ability to develop.

Perception is available through your own natural presence. How difficult is it to examine the self, and the mind and memories within it?

The blind will argue with the sighted about the color of the wind..

>>42385855

Science understands “eyes” can literally detect very specific emf waves, which is a REMARKABLE passive 3D location nd navigation device FED BY ITS OWN FUEL and TECHNICALLY not part of the bodies “immune system” but the bible… man… CHOCK FULL of helpful info in 2026. This “technical scientific world” Say, did you know you can’t PRAY anything into geosynchronous orbit? Also “HELPFUL”

>>42384179
Wid onions?

Ghost are 4D beings. When we die, we ascend to the fourth dimension.

>>42381233
discord
gg
/7kMhrksaGT

>>42381233
Because there are none.
Everyone here is delusional in some way and either seeks escapisms or deludes themselves into thinking they have some powers others don't.

>>42385855
>The blind will argue with the sighted about the color of the wind..
So the blind should just accept your reports of things completely unexperienced, but you can simply dismiss and deny any reports from them of things you can't experience...

>>42385845
take your meds

>>42381233
There are literally ghost hunting/exploration LIVE videos on platforms like Youtube or TikTok every day.

>>42386812
You know it's a 100% fake when they show up at night and keep the lights off.

File: IMG_9945.png (501 KB, 807x605)

501 KB PNG

>>42386512
Get fucked then.

>>42381233
Hate to break it to you, but ghosts are archetypal projections of the unconscious mind.
There is no tangible way of providing physical material proof with camera footage, or scientific measuring instruments for they are entirely unique to that of the self experience.
I know for I have seen them, they are soul projections of the third eye and appear in many different symbolic forms.
Sometimes they appear as blue spectral humanoids or animals.
Other times under heightened psychic disturbance or raised kundalini energy they appear lifelike as people with form, smell, touch and even on a few occasions as luminous glowing gold.
Ever notice how ghost stories have the same archetypal stories dealing with unresolved conflicts?
And that more often than not appear when people are in bed, under a full moon when sleep is disturbed that is when the unconscious spirit world comes alive.
>Bride who haunts a building that died on her wedding night
>Lover who walks the beach awaiting her sailor husband who died at sea
>Executed felon who was innocent that haunts a prison
>Headless horseman who stalks the moor
>Dragur who haunts a burial crypt for the initiatory youth
>Botchling from a miscarriage that haunts a hospital
>Kelpie a horse that stalks the coast dragging riders into the sea
>Ex tenant who committed suicide in a house that now haunts it
These are all symbolic projections of our ancestral unconscious, trying to tell us something important we need to accept which it cant through words alone.
The unconscious is the realm of the right brain hemisphere that cant comprehend spoken language, so it uses symbolic projections to tell us.
>TLDR ghosts do exist they are just soul projections of the unconscious mind