>>42391837
It doesn't really matter if it actually happened or not. That's a whole crux of the thing being a paradox. It's how you choose to feel it that matters. Personally I don't think it's real. I think Jesus was just a normal dude that was tuned in a way most simply aren't and he existed in a time and place that served as a nexus of culture and myth and when all that is stacked together it's easy to see the thread running through everything. This is why he's inclusive to even other systems because we make them so theyre imprinted with the same pattern we're imprinted with by god it's just more fragmented through us and harder to see. He heals the pagan child and all that stuff. It works with and without the magic miracles which I don't believe can be real here in this world but in the dream space it can and maybe that's where it matters most. In the mind and heart so you don't look at just the surface but are pulled in to be shown the real path.

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>>42391837
A text of unknown age and origin isn't evidence for anything.
But faith isn't about facts and proof, it's a matter of your soul experiencing something as true. It's true for you then. If others think it's true doesn't need to concern your faith.

>>42391837
I'd say 27 books written by the apostles themselves less than a century removed from the events is good enough. Obviously you're not going to get a body because there's none to get, so it all comes down to whether or not you accept the historical record in scripture as facts preserved by God.

>>42391837
>How strong is the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ account?
There's none. Nothing. Works of the same book club with an agenda don't count

>>42391861
>It doesn't really matter if it actually happened or not.

you are dumb as a pile of bricks, the resurrection is the single most important event in history

>>42391918
I was hoping for non biblical historical sources

>>42392006
There's actually a ton of extra biblical evidence, I'm not a theologian but the tel Dan stele is something. There's a lot, the bible itself is evidence. The deeper you go down the rabbit hole with "doubt" the more you'll be shown. Be careful as the more faith you acquire the more your life will be tested. This entire reality is a facade

>>42391837
>evidence
what evidence?

>Christi Höllenfahrt
lmao

>>42392122
>>Christi Höllenfahrt

The Descent of Christ into Hell (Latin: Descensus Christi ad inferos, Greek: Katabasis), also known colloquially as Christ's Ascension to Hell, refers to the traditional Christian belief that Jesus Christ descended into the underworld on the night after his crucifixion and there liberated the souls of the righteous since Adam. This belief is based, among other things, on the question of where Jesus Christ's soul was between his crucifixion and resurrection. Reference is made to the biblical statements in Ephesians 4:9 and 1 Peter 3:19.
thanks wikipedia

>>42392021
please help me, I am seeking the truth and there would be nothing greater to me than being convinced based on rational evidence that it's all true, what a great relief it would be

20 years of searching and counting, now I narrowed it down to the resurrection, if I can prove that, it will be all the proof I need

>>42391837
I'm him. Zooted on the grass and shrooms for straight 3 day bender, pretty chill ngl

>>42392408
You are resisting God because you love your sin. It's got nothing to do with evidence or lack thereof.

Don't put it off another day, don't risk it.

“But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (John 6:36-37)

>>42392492
you are turning it on its head

if I could be quite sure the resurrection is a historical fact, I would change my life immediately, it would be enough evidence

>>42392408
Shroud of Turin proves the resurrection... Not only that but the way it was written in the bible doesn't exactly leave anything to the imagination

Easy way to "prove" the existence of God is just looking around. Check some digits, coincidence and synchronicity. The complicated part happens when your belief grows. You can be absolutely sure one day and change your mind another day, only God knows what you need to grow. But it does save you a lot of trouble to resist sin

>>42392501
dont try to obfuscate the truth to me by diversion, satan!

i am on a quest to understand the evidence of the resurrection, plain and simple

if the bible is real, in a sense we can be immortal?

this has always struck me as too good to be true, but when you truly weigh the conditions, maybe it's not, because all that comes at a heavy price of a very pious life devoid of any carnal pleasures (unlike the self deceiving relativisists tell themselves, you must give it all up 100% and sin no more)

>>42392494
Not it wouldn't.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Notice it did not say "through evidence".

Read the resurrection chapters of each of the four gospels yourself and see if they agree or not. Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, John 20-21 are what you're looking for. There's a lot of disagreement like Jesus in Matthew tells the disciples to go to Galilee, while in Luke he tells them to stay put in Jerusalem. Different permutations of disciples see Jesus in each of the Gospels. Since you're asking, it's all made up, there is little consistency. Whether or not that matters depends on your preconceived notions of Christianity. The Bible is not inerrant, it contradicts itself all over the place, but if your faith doesn't rely on that, sure, go ahead and believe the resurrection.

>>42391837
Christians will say strong.
Atheists will say not.

The true historical evidence is that there is no evidence of the ressurection but there is evidence a lot of people believed in it very early and called themselves Christians very early after his death lol.

>>42392530
>The Bible is not inerrant
It is.

>it contradicts itself all over the place
It doesn't.

why are atheists so hostile?

No hostility from me, it just doesn't take much at all to hurt the delicate feelings of the average christcuck.

Matthew 28:10 "Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”

Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city [Jerusalem] until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

These two events are recorded in their respective Gospel to have occurred on the same day. It's one of my favorite contradictions, because Jesus, supposedly God in the flesh, gives his disciples completely contradictory commands. If you really want to increase your skepticism of the Bible, chart the timelines for the resurrection chapters and see how much disagreement exists. Anyone with a working brain who doesn't have their pastor's cock lodged up their child's asshole can see it's all bullshit.

>>42392003
It's the single most important event that can happen inside you anon. If you can form to the keyhole. Jesus was a man. Christ is within.

>>42392571
(Before anyone comes to me and seething i know that materialism and nihilism don't follow from atheism but most atheists are physicalists nihilist so I'm just going to make that genralsation)
I see one reason:
1. No hope
They quite frankly they have no hope for salvation/enlightenment/awaking/etc nor any greater case.
What they have now is it, and usually its not much, so they get pissy, in their situation I would not blame them; inversely the religious individuals do have hope for the factors mentioned above.
>Ummm so you literallyy admitting religion is a cope!
Yes it is... and? This doesn't affect the truth factor of it, cope or not. If it was a cope it still can be demonstrably true or demonstrably false

2. Base desires
YOLO, You only live once.
They preserve that this life is the only "life" they will ever have, so you would assume that they take this life as sacred, and thats what they claim.
But what do you see within secular society's.
degeneracy, hook up culture, governments advocating for suicide, etc.
They live at their Base desires so they act like rude pissy people

>>42392612
Get context, read both what preceed and follow these verses you quoted; they are not recording the same event at all, and these things happen at different times.

It's a jewish fairytale psyop to destroy gentiles

>>42392612
>I read 2 biographies of Napoleon and they disagree on one date
>therefore Napoleon never existed!!!!
That's how dumb you sound.

>>42391837
The Romans had no such tradition of offering up two criminals for a crowd to choose between in order to free (Barabas). This Barabas was a serious dude, a revolutionary, an actual terrorist that politically murdered Roman citizens. There's no way in hell any judge would release him for any reason. That alone shows the story is BS.

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GOING KIND OF OFF TOPIC HERE BUT I HAVE NO FRIENDS TO TALK TO

how many bibles do you own, and is it obscene to spend 149 euros on a bible?

is this shopping cart obscene? I think I might have autism, I want to buy things in multiples just incase they stop making it and I want a new one

the fancy bible will be too precious to use so I also ordered 2 normal ones

>>42392746
they might appreciate in value once the anti christ prohibits the printing of bible

>>42392746
just ordered all of this stuff, I rationalized it by considering it an investment in German language learning

>>42392770
You read the bible for free and you can learn German for free you dope. What a pointless waste of money.

>>42392778
it doesnt matter and neither do you

>>42392786
>german cuck giving away his wealth to an alien culture
Nothing surprising here.

>>42392778
>>42392786
sorry for being rude btw

>>42392797
the upside of immortality is very significant though if it is real

>>42392800
>>42392801
Slavish, meek, apologetic, frightened of offending, scared of dying in case a hebraic desert god is waiting for him, yuck. You might as well give Christ your soul, he already has your balls.

>>42392408
1st Corinthians 15:12.

Read, brother.

Context for Matthew 28 and Luke 24:

Matthew 28:1: "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."

Luke 24:1 "On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb."

Idk looks like the same day to me

It's disingenuous and lying to say the two contradictory commands in Matt. 28:10 and Luke 24:49 were completely different events. They are recorded to have happened on the same day! Besides, if Jesus commanded the disciples to go to Galilee, he's telling them to go on a 4-5 day journey. Given it would take about 2 weeks (maybe a little less if they turned back soon) for them to go there and back, it's contradictory for Jesus to also command them to remain in Jerusalem as he does in Luke. Also, I am not claiming Jesus never existed, only that the Bible is not a reliable source of history, and contains many errors and contradictions like this one. But that requires nuance, which requires more brain power than the average christcuck has. Curious that I don't see any defenders of the "inerrant Word of God" quoting the Gospels, you know I'm right. But go ahead, keep moving those goalposts

>>42392814
And yet I could kick your ass without breaking a sweat

>>42392869
Where exactly does it say that they were supposed to be in both places the same day or at the same time? Jesus walked this earth for 40 days after the resurrection, and these 2 events could have transpired at any time.

>>42392855
To be fair this doesn't help the question of finding extra biblical evidence for the Resurrection

>>42391837
Historical evidence for an apocalyptic Rabbi named Yeshua? Decent but not ironclad. Evidence that he literally rose from the dead? The religious texts spread by his cult and literally nothing else. Can it be trusted? It's a matter of faith but as a skeptic I don't but believe religious text are ever literally true and the expectation that the text alone is sufficient evidence is the biggest ass pull of the religious.

>>42391837
Le 500 Witnesses!!!*

*Described in a single secondhand account written by a man we wasn't present for the events decades later.

>>42391837
It never happened no matter how hard you try to cope.

>>42393581
Good luck proving that to yourself.

>>42393608
NTA but as compared to believing in a magic Jew that loves you and takes you to the good afterlife?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_for_the_historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

>>42391837
It's literally the gold standard and you can trace all of our history back to it, if you don't believe it then you have no reason to believe any written history at all.

>>42394120
all history is myth buddy and why dont the desert demons (El/Yahweh/Allah) agree on the resurrection?

in fact golden dawn has the upper hand here cause they could just say it's a metaphor for the Osiris fit for a temporary dark age

Just didn't die on the cross.

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>>42392408
The Bible itself is of paranormal nature, it's genuinely the most sophisticated book ever written with over 60k cross references, transcribed by over 40 people across 3 languages and continents without any contradictions. (Unless you read the corrupted Alexandrian texts, read KJV-ONLY)

>>42394143
There's only 1 God, all other gods are just demons larping as deities and intentionally muddy the water. The Father is not the same as Allah, Allah is probably Baal.

>>42391837
i believe a man we think of as "jesus" existed 2000 years ago and was killed by the romans for causing unrest amongst the jews. there are too many documents that say this for it to all just be BS.

i do NOT believe he walked on water or cured diseases or any of that Holy God shit. the bible is all jewish bullshit written by them passed on to europe and designed to benefit them.

>>42394169
the father is a shaytan

you simply worship what your fathers worship

yahweh made a deal with satan that he could be the "Father" of the goyim

in buddhism the father is called the devil-king of the sixth heaven

he's a shaytan

>>42394194
i should say, you quintessentially worship what your fathers worship

>>42394200
which goes against the essence of abraham's duty to God

abraham destroyed the father idol

the Father is Satan

it's wonderful islamic monotheism

>>42391837
https://youtu.be/jLXxCI2jb8w?si=uTYahMSFjTmeLu8r
https://youtu.be/gJ6MYMSUcgg?si=bKQfmgebtIbU2zgI
https://youtu.be/jHapAa-QZBI?si=2hL8MJweQrdquNC3
https://youtu.be/aVYZzU4Rw2g?si=bg7WDL3L_3jBFvFF

>>42392492
Nope, you're just a judgmental prick who hides behind religion. "Jesus" is a sun god, go convert people on /pol/ weirdo
https://youtu.be/jLXxCI2jb8w?si=ojENdN7fDoCEoh8m
https://allreligionsareone.org/

>>42394214
>AXIOM) This man is ugly
>Reincarnation as ugly is due to bad karma
>This man has bad karma
>C) This man doesn't convince me