Any of you guys practice shinto outside of Japan? I'm interested in the kamis and the purification aspect but I'm a gaijin. Is it larp or is there a legitimate way to connect with the spirits of a land that isn't Japan? Any resources for western practitioners?
I dunno if it would be possible desu...It is for japanese culture and people no?I would think the spirits would be bound to they and their land.Unless you are japanese yourself?
>>42393849Build a shrine and attract a spirit. The mechanics of "Shinto" work regardless of where you live in the world
>>42393973>The mechanicsIf you mean animism, then sure.The true problem is that figuring out what the local spirits like and want from humans is a multi-generational period of observation and trial.
>>42394315you're definitely overcomplicating it... spirits can reside in stuffed animals
>>42394333They can. Do they want to? Why should they?
>>42394340the beloved becomes real
>>42394361>is there a legitimate way to connect with the spirits of a land>of a landYou are wandering and reaching to make a bad point.We arent talking about something a human is able and willing to put into a toy.
>>42393849I'm a literal kami type of soul that is my origin . The kami spirits described in shinto is what I am.So I guess I'm shinto technically but I do more buddhist meditation type of stuff.
>clueless but arrogant weebwow, that was a waste of my time
>>42394400Everything you post here is a waste of time because we all think you’re gigaretarded.
Hopefully if we're quiet the namefag will actually find this a waste and leave.
>>42393849You're wasting your time, one thing is studying it, but you can't practice shinto outside of Japan, it's an animistic religion tied to the land. You should go with early greek goetia if you want something fundamentally similar but compatible.
>>42394419No, anyone can practice it wherever they are.Adapt shinto to your local environment. It's really easy. We should all practice shinto animism, ancestral veneration instead of that abrahamic christcuck sh!thttps://thetwistedrope.wordpress.com/shintoism/shinto-starter-guide/
>>42394400>lucifer is seethingall is well
>>42396171If you adapt shinto to your local environment outside of Japan, it stops being shinto. Therefore, OP is wasting his time by pursuing it, and as i said, the closest "western" thing to shinto is probably just greek goetia. There's your animist alternative.
>>42396452I thought the Goetia was more of grimoire thing, with incantations and shit. Since when did the Greeks practice animism?
>>42393849>any of you guys practice shintoyes>outside of Japannot really, no>interested in the kamisspirits with local flavor, other places have different ones, it's always a reflection of the area and the people to some degree>purification aspectpretty sure other practices have this as well>but I'm a gaijinyea, tough luck. >is it a larp?depends. Most everything is to some degree until you're proficient enough>Is there a legitimate way to connect with the spirits of a land that isn't Japan?as above. look it up, depending on the region you're in, there's bound to be a few>resources for western practitionersfor shinto? fuck off! For connecting with spirits? look into your local practicesOr if you're just in it for the weeb shit and aesthetics, visit your local shinto shrine and larp your heart out.
>>42396498Goetia is just ancient greek "sorcery", or "wailing magic" if we're being technical. Christianity just applied their usual "this thing's satanic" and from there medieval grimoires like Solomon's lesser key started using the term to refer to "demonic magic". The greek goetia used "daimones" as lesser "divine" or "infernal" spirits that you struck deals with through animistic practices mostly.Greek goetia is more than a thousand years older than the whole solomonic thing though.
>>42396572Any good sources for learning about the older stuff? Any time I've heard about the Goetia it's always linked to stupid medieval European "magic" or new age bullshit.
>>42396587It's hard to find material on ancient greek goetia because it wasn't a fixed "craft" with a fixed system, it just followed a flexible set of animistic fundamentals. Most practitioners were mountain hobos, shit wasn't recorded properly and they were hated by the polis and higher classes (even though they still employed them as "healers" or "exorcists")The only two authors i know that deal with it are Jake Stratton Kent and "Frater Acher". Maybe there's more, it's not something i've really studied for long.
>>42396587it doesn't really exist in it's original form by now, all we have are reinterpretations of reinterpretations reconstructed from fragments.
>>42396452>the closest "western" thing to shinto is probably just greek goetiaThat STILL requires connection to the greek and those lands.Animism can still be done, it just has to be LOCAL, and not what other spirits in other places want.This is hard because autists want rules, and not people.Go learn the spirits, you freaks.
>>42396686Not really. Goetia isn't tied to the land like shintoism is, and it deals with daimonic (spirits) intelligences through animistic fundamentals. There's nothing you can complain about, you go learn.
>>42396774>Goetia isn't tied to the landThe SPIRITS are local, you fool.You have no clue obviously because youve never dealt with a spirit.I swear its like tourists being amazed at all the foreigners.
>>42396781Goetia doesn't have a localized framework, what they did you can do anywhere, it's not shintoism. There's always contrarians in every thread that don't bother understanding shit that's already been explained, just trying to argue for no fucking reason.
>>42396813>Goetia doesn't have a localized frameworkSo what? The SPIRITS are local.
>>42396827So? I haven't told anyone to go practice a framework that's tied to the local spirits of Greece. Because like i've said, it doesn't exist. The fundamentals associated to goetia are pretty rudimentary. I don't know what is it that you're not understanding.I think you're conflating the art with the spirits, that's like saying you can't practice medicine on asian people if you've studied medicine in Europe.
>>42396842>So?So the framework you keep touting - whether the humans want it to be local or not - is tied to the spirits that co-developed it.>.I think you're conflating the art with the spiritsNo, that would be the person that thinks because a framework says something, it must apply to the spirits.>that's like saying you can't practice medicine on asian people if you've studied medicine in Europe.No, it's more that you cant tell the same jokes.You cant seem to understand that spirits arent mechanisms.You want to deal with systems, and spirits are people.
>>42396848You've completely schizoed out, i'm sure everyone else understands what i've said up until now. You can go kick rocks.
>>42396875Nothing you said is hard to understand. It's just wrong.
>>42393849I'm an American White guy. I follow it. It's breddy gud. At least it's preferable to being an atheist who sticks bananas up his ass, which I was for a while.
>>42393849I am not Japanese but I follow Christ and am a Shintoist, same as a good portion of Japanese people. I pray under my Kamidana, Angels and Kami-sama will hear you, our Creator has made it possible. There is a Shinto shrine being built in California which I disagree with as nothing holy belongs in that disgusting and vile place, they also claim they support all "LGBTQ" which I also disagree with, I'm not straight but this is clear political label propaganda.
>>42393849It is a larp sadly, but you can still experience the joy of magic and contact with supernatural beings if you let go of specifics and get to the core of what you're after.
>>42393849Shinto is basically a very refined & civilized form of shamanism/animism. You can work with spirits anywhere you live, but those won't be the japanese ones, unless any of those can travel abroad. I wouldn't know about it, you'll have to research it on your own.
>>42393849I have legit interest in japanese magic but their biggest school of onmyodo seems to have collapsed alreadyand shintoism lacking an orthodoxy could vary immensly on individual temple traditions if it seemed much was in print at alltheir local buddhist sects also got in conflict with the government over beef on the west coming so their was likely a purge therewhile it all seems too disconnected for the well poisoning plaguing the west their seems little to grab onto for even locals let alone the west
>>42393900I'm pretty sure there's a weeb who runs the only shinto temple outside of Japan in the US,
>>42393849I don’t think Japanese people see Shinto as a religion in the same way westerners understand it. I’ve had conversations with Japanese people where I mention Shinto and they don’t know what it is then I say it’s the religion with the shrines and the kami and they’re like “oh, I didn’t know there was a word for that. I would just call it believing in kami” or something like that. It seems like the only the ones who have a lot of interaction with foreigners actually know Shinto is its own thing. At one point, there was also a Southeast Asian Muslim who came to the dojo I train at and refused to pray at the shrine which confused the Japanese people there. I said it wasn’t allowed because of his religion and a guy is like “his religion doesn’t allow him to pray to gods? That’s weird”. One guy also told me that if he was outside Japan, and they had their own local shrines to the sun god, mountain gods, storm gods, and such he would simply go to those ones in a similar manner. So maybe you should just go to those instead.
>>42396498>Since when did the Greeks practice animism?bro
>>42393849I live in Germany. What kind of Spirits life here and how to summon them, according to you?Let me guess, a German Shintoism would end up as Odin-worship, right?
