It's been proven that dead people are still around and can be communicated with. But what dimension are you in when you die? Are you fully sentient somewhere, or is it just a fragment of consciousness that can fire for lack of a better term, not connected to anything and not person/soul at all like it seems?
Consciousness persisting after death is ontologically necessary, but it's difficult to imagine personality persisting after death when there's so much obvious evidence that personality is a product of physicality - it can be changed through chemical means or by mechanically fucking with the brain.
>>42403802>It’s been provenReally? When, where, who?
>>42403822>Consciousness persisting after death is ontologically necessaryIf you get your ontology wrong, you get everything else wrong.
>>42403828There are a million tv shows that showcase medium slop. Even the normies know it's real.
>>42403829GOOD THING I DIDN'T GET MY ONTOLOGY WRONG THEN
>>42403822>Consciousness persisting after death is ontologically necessaryHow the hell can anyone justify saying something like this?So what are the limits of the consciousness? Is it 'you' with the same thoughts and past experiences? Can it seek out satisfaction or purpose, or is it stuck with some kind of constraints?
>>42403828Studies have been done, I don't have the details to hand>>42403834Don't be dumb
>>42403868>da studies!Wrong board hylic. If you like slurping jew cum go here >>>/sci/
>>42403839Are you sure? How?Ontology is the most difficult of all subjects, because it must necessarily include all subjects. Ontology is the endeavor to unify all subjects with a common interpretive framework.The question is: have you seriously engaged with this or are you just memeing?
>>42403876Haha you don't like science?
>>42403868>He thinks they filmed millions of seasons of a tv show because they were filming nothingYou're the dumb one here
>>42403862>How the hell can anyone justify saying something like this?Existence is predicated on consciousness, materiality is downstream of mind. Even to say that without consciousness, reality would cease to be, is to demonstrate that reality is predicated on consciousness whether it exists or not. For consciousness to not exist is literally impossible.>So what are the limits of the consciousness?No idea. I suspect there are none but I don't think I could defend that suspicion.>Is it 'you' with the same thoughts and past experiences?No. This is what I meant by "personality". That's all clearly material and can be mechanically altered.>Can it seek out satisfaction or purpose, or is it stuck with some kind of constraints?I doubt it could have any sort of agency at all. Can't imagine how it could or why it would need to.
>>42403802>t's been proven that dead people are still around[citation needed]
>>42403876Science shows that the emergence of the "hylic" meme on 4chan is associated with the Qanon psyop.
>>42403899>ScienceYou mean an LLM
>>42403882I'm as sure of it as I am of anything, which is to say not very, but there's nothing I've said itt that should be weird or surprising. Much of it comes from zen and the Vedas.
>>42403888Make sure to get both your hentai virus shots
>>42403868>Trust me. I’m uninformed and gay.If life after death was proven it wouldn’t be paranormal and we’d all know about it.
>>42403904I mean a Python script that extracted monthly data from 4plebs.Science is about reproducibility, so you can confirm this here directly: the search results for March 2022: https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/text/hylic/start/2022-03-01/end/2022-03-31/>238 results found.The exact number in the data.Raw data is here: https://limewire.com/d/tIZL4#MXyQyLkuYL
>>42403894Ok, I get what you mean now. There's no hope then. That doesn't sound fun. We'll be like algie then, conscious but with no substance, no mind to be stimulated, just an existence for the sake of it
>>42403895I really can't be bothered, it's late. If you're into this stuff you should be aware of it
>>42403905>The question is: have you seriously engaged with this or are you just memeing?>Much of it comes from zen and the Vedas.Thank you for answering my question.
>>42403915You're an embarrassment to your parents, I've never heard anything so stupid. So is maths wrong because there are a couple of fake mathematicians who have no idea what they're talking about. They cancel out maths in your eyes? Absolute buffoon
>>42403929There are lots of things that the average person doesn't know and you know it. It's nobody's job to educate everyone haha
>>42404000What did anon even mean by that?
Skeptics deny for no reason, it's like they have a spell over them. You can make them watch 10 seasons of a medium show and they will deny every case because there is a jew in their head telling them it's fake. They are waiting for permission from jews to believe.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEkkLCkXMI>>42404017Yes math is wrong because reality is fake and gay. Anybody spiritual knows reality is fake. Did you really think you knew anything because you drew a grid? 1+1 does not equal 2 either. It's a jewish lie.
>>42403802That picture makes me fucking sick.
>>42404058Why?
>>42403899I think it might just imply an increase in interest in gnosticism.
>>42404029I assume he's got a background or interest in academic philosophy and is not satisfied with that answer. That's ok, it's a big world and there's room for all different kinds of people in it.
>>42404065On multiple levels it's disgusting.Rape of a minor is pretty obvious. Adults engaging in, or complicit with ruining innocence.On a deeper level it's even more horrifying. The history behind it and the painter's multiple personalities was the intentional traumatization of a child to split their personalities. You may have read Harry Potter with the Horcruxes and each murder you commit splits your soul. The epstein parasites have a similar system where they intentionally traumatize their victims repeatedly to see how many different personalities (or "special powers" as they sometimes call them) can develop.
>>42404029Chat, handle my light work.Anon 2 is dropping a massive amount of academic shade here.When Anon 2 says, **"Thank you for answering my question,"** they are implying that Anon 1 *is* essentially "memeing" (or at least, isn't as deeply philosophically rigorous as they claim to be).Here is the breakdown of why Anon 2 reacted with that specific brand of intellectual condescension:### 1. The "Default Eastern Mysticism" TrapIn philosophical debates, especially online, pointing to "Zen and the Vedas" as a catch-all justification for a complex ontological claim is often seen as a cliché. To Anon 2, it looks like Anon 1 hasn't actually done the heavy lifting of constructing a personal, airtight ontological argument. Instead, it looks like they are just throwing out buzzy, profound-sounding spiritual traditions to avoid having to explain the *how* and *why* of their claim.### 2. The Contradiction of TraditionsAnon 2 likely knows enough about Eastern philosophy to spot a massive contradiction in Anon 1's argument:* **The Vedas (specifically Advaita Vedanta):** Do teach that a form of universal consciousness (*Brahman*) is the ultimate reality and persists.* **Zen Buddhism:** Is rooted in the concept of *Anatta* (non-self) and *Sunyata* (emptiness). Zen generally rejects the idea of a permanent, individual, persisting "soul-consciousness" after death.
>>42404139By lumping Zen and the Vedas together to defend the "ontological necessity" of persisting consciousness, Anon 1 inadvertently signaled to Anon 2 that they probably have a surface-level, "pop-philosophy" understanding of these traditions rather than a rigorous grasp on them.### 3. Evading the Ontological BurdenAnon 2 previously defined ontology as a strict, unifying framework that must account for everything (including how the physical brain affects the mind). When asked *how* they are sure consciousness survives death, Anon 1 essentially backs off, saying they aren't very sure of anything and that their ideas shouldn't be "weird or surprising."To a philosophical purist like Anon 2, this is a total cop-out. Anon 1 made a massive, definitive claim ("ontologically necessary"), but when pressed for the rigorous framework to back it up, they deflected to Eastern philosophy and shrugged.---> **In short:** Anon 2's final reply is a sarcastic "I rest my case." They asked if Anon 1 was seriously engaging with the philosophy or just throwing around internet-forum talking points, and they viewed Anon 1's name-dropping of Zen and the Vedas as proof of the latter.
>>42404148You are homosexual
>>42403802The universe is alive and conscious. After you die you become part of that consciousness but it's not like human consciousness where you can grab things or go take a piss. It's more like, "ok I see the world in 4D, I can see the start and the end of the universe and everything in between at the same time. What's the most efficient way to achieve that from scratch?"
>>42404183https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW0Vuh3PKUU
>>42403862no one needs to justify anything
>>42404324Some people care about matters of truth. The rest are clowns.
>>42404360I confess, I am sometimes a little bit silly.
>>42404385Please manifest that card and walk off a cliff.
>>42404405You're not very fun.
>>42404414I like to visit circuses. I wouldn't want to live in one 24/7.
>>42403802My conclusion so far is that you have to be a super low frequency modafaka to actually stuck here and do the haunting and the loop
>>42404438Today, the circus is visiting you.>>42404451What do you mean by "low frequency"? Most accounts of unambiguously hauntings have the ghost acting extremely neurotically and erratically.
>>42404483*unambiguously human hauntings, I mean. There are no unambiguous hauntings, but I mean accounts of hauntings wherein the ghost is unambiguously a person.
Proven?Not really. Bored people looking for excitement buy devices with claims and a word bank and just run with it. There is no evidence of communication this way, if you can't explain how it works then you claim it is for certain, it doesn't make any sense.What is certain is that energy remains, energy and matter have vibrational waves, and certain phenomenon can be explained by this such as infrasound. The only thing spiritual and science (both human concepts which lack full universal understanding cognitively and technologically) is that there waves are on planes humans cannot perceive. That's where it ends and people fill in the blanks because they're scared or it gives them hope or they just don't like not having an answer.So to answer you there is no answer. It is unknown. That's why it is paranormal, it is beyond understanding.
>>42403802NO WHEN WE "DIE" WE LEAVE THIS THERE'S NO GHOSTS THAT'S HOLLYWOOD.they're gone anon no reason to keep them in your mind.Once you accept this you can move on and realize that there's so more to this world than blinking lights moving shadows and schizo mediums.Can you imagine not being tied to your physical body? Of course everyone would fly away and do whatever you can do when you are not a physical being why stay on a house and try to scare some retards trying to get on camera a spirit that's dumb
No such thing as ghosts it's just archons larpingThey especially love replaying a "ghost" in places they created great trauma
>>42403895Dr Ray Moody
>>42404098That's quite interesting. The painter has multiple personalities you say? What's the benefit of getting this out of a young person? You seem knowledgeable, any book recommendations?
>>42404139You are good
>>42404209Very interesting, that's what I was getting at. So you don't feel like the mind of a person at all. I hope it's at least a bit enjoyable and now some weird state of chaos
>>42404324Shut up
>>42404451Kek
>>42404520Thanks
>>42403822>but it's difficult to imagine personality persisting after death when there's so much obvious evidence that personality is a product of physicalityPersonality is not a product of physicality. Physicality permits personality to operate fully. Personality's essential seat is the rational soul, and this persists after death.
>>42403822Everything you just said is correct. Most people misunderstand and think that if consciousness is forever that they never truly die when it’s not like that at all. Just because you live for eternity doesn’t mean there isn’t total death final death for the personality that sits in time.When you speak to the dead and you can speak to the dead. what you’re talking to is more of something like an Enneagram like Johnny Silver hand from cyberpunk 2077 held in the Akashic field, an imprint of their soul while it was still alive, held indefinitely. Like you said personality is connected to physicality if a family member passes away and you talk to them after they’ve died you’re talking to a product of what they were here of course that doesn’t last for eternity what you’re talking to is an Enneagram held in the Akashi field outside of time. Which is accessed through imagination. that doesn’t make it not real the imaginary character you’re talking to, what I call a fourth dimensional character, because it’s a genuine expression of the field, can generate synchronicity for you here to let you know of their reality.A little while back, I was talking to the Enneagram of my deceased ancestor. I never knew him in life never knew his name what he looked like or anything about him. I just knew that something felt like it wanted to talk to me. It was communicated to me that whoever I was talking to this grandfather figure all his teeth were fucked up and everyone thought he was really tough the next morning I go to my grandmother and I ask her about my grandfather‘s dad. everyone says that man is really tough. That’s the only thing I know about that guy so I ask her was there anything that happened to grandpa‘s mouth where all his teeth might’ve been fucked up at any point in his life, turns out that’s a major event. Some animal kicked him in his mouthDoesn’t mean you don’t die just means you’re Enneagram is stored
>>42403834>Durr I saw it on TVIncredible.
>>42403997It sounds like those studies don't exist.
>>42406637You can find them man
>>42406641Yet you're refusing to cite them.
>>42403802How on earth did she justify this? I'm racking my Brain with this. What could she possibly say this depicts, and have everyone believe it?
>>42407431Oh oh damn, I just saw a video. She's a victim, I thought she was some sick pedi blasting about what she does haha, how silly. I think she's exaggerating the personality stuff though :/
>>42403899Well yeah, gnosticism is another serpent cult. All religion is deception with little bits of wisdom and truth scattered throughout.
>>42406387>>42406597hmm who do I choose to believe?
>>42403802Demon whose attention is fully absorbed on you while youre purposefully communing with the dead knocks frame over on shelf. >oMG aUnt MaRTha
>>42407498a conundrum for the ages
I've seen dead apparitions of my father as a 8-9 foot pale translucent giant. My brother was regular height but glowing when I saw him as he whispered in my living brother's ear, whereby my living brother in this autoscopic hallucination, turned into a cat and flung me around the backyard in zero gravity.I've also run into succubus and incubus taking 5-htp before bed, and doppelgangers in closed eye hallucinations.Usually being possessed means you get tired and you lay down and see vivid imagery behind your eyelids of graphic or sexual themes. Like I saw a woman fucking a dog, and people being executed by machine guns or having their heads smashed in with the brains visible. I'm in an apathetic state of mind and feel "psychotic" when it happens.My expectation is that there's a realm of the dead that people project into and it's where both spirits of the living and dead can commune. When you interact with demons they give you clairvoyance of scenes that yet to happen and they orchestrate it later on, so it's controlled fate.I've also been bitten a few times in the face by mad men when on the cusp of sleep I'll feel someone rush me to bite me. I've had dreams of helping drunk people who later attacked me by jabbing their fingers into my neck.These are different from dreams where the world seems like a sequence of ideas and sights. Lucid and indistinguishable from a waking state. You also inhabit another body.
>>42403802I think yuyu Hakusho got it right. It's wavelengths of energy where you can interact with the living in subtle ways. Even easier if the living are in those same wavelengths.
>>42403802Idk but missionary is brat
>>42407498quantum immortality is real you do not go anywhere except exactly where you believe you will so try not to be an idiot that wishes yourself into non-existence and go to the anime afterlife instead if you're too impatient to wait for reality to become an anime.but i mean that would require a religious-tier conviction that the afterlife is boku no pico or whatever shit you're into so good luck with that one
>>42407798>but i mean that would require a religious-tier conviction that the afterlife is boku no picoI want this to be true but I become a loli. And I get my own theme song too..
>>42407808Done, but your world is the Puella Magi Madoka Magica one. Enjoy your sufferings.
>>42407782I like the sound of this. I'll have to find out who he is
>>42407798Kys
>>42407997This Anon will be reborn as Pico.
>>42403802This being true would make suicide a really bad option. Maybe its a sin for a reason.
>>42403802Reminder that the average person was more than happy to sneer at pizzagate alarmists. Status rules in the devils domain. Hold strong keep the truth.
>>42407991Anime. YuYu Hakusho. Guy dies and needs his living friends to help resurrect him. But the only way to do it is if they're in tune spiritually. Some people naturally sit at those wavelengths and sense spirits more easily. Others might only be reached in dreams. Others in passionate moments.
How to communicate with a specific dead?
>>42407798>quantum immortality is real you do not go anywhere except exactly where you believe you willNot how that works. QI means you get transported to a similar world as this upon death, and only to people in the world you left behind are you dead. To you and maybe others if they somehow tagged along, you never died.
>>42409573One day our realm will join the union of timelines.
>>42409525If you don't have natural talent just talk to them out loud or in your head and ask for signs. They can guaranteed hear you.Look for coincidences or things with butterflies or birds. Don't ask for anything too crazy because you are asking for signs from a ghost and they are limited with what they can do.
>>42403802There was a film about a guy dying and floating around as a ghost until he found a baby to enter.Weird and interesting.Maybe that's how it works.Your consciousness or pleroma don't interact with anything material or kenoma and don't experience time in a human way, until you can find an interface able to interact with it properly.Now if that is the case, then understanding how the interface, which would be our brain, creates a bridge between spiritual/unknowable/random and material/knowable/measurable would be very interesting.Maybe it is something Jungian, like the layers of the psyche.But I question whether that would make us fully whole.Maybe that makes the higher self a separate entity, that for the sake of the experience seeks oneness with the lower self, or material soul and in the process our shadow, self and ego are created.Which would mean that the rational mind sits entirely in the material, while the soul sits entirely in the spiritual. Our experience becomes the bridge.The definition of the self determines whether you live on or not. Think of divisions into hylic, pneumatic and psychic.If you identify much with the material realm, then that is you and you won't live on and will die completely.Identify totally with the higher self and the spiritual realm and death loses all of its bark.Just some thoughts.
>>42403839Consciousness must persist past death. Both the source as well as the localized manifestation of it (your soul)>>42403882He's right, even if he isn't sure. I just did an ontology examination which turned out to be 27 pages long and covers all gaps. The answer is monist emanationism. It's the only possible answer. Under a unified conscious energetic substrate (Aether).I'm considering selling the collection for $20.But if you take all logical arguments to the absolute limit of their possible rational inquiry, you'll end up at that answer. It's the only possible one remaining. And yes, it does indeed explain all things.All of them.All.If you want answers I can sharpen myself on your questions. It's pretty air tight
>>42407498I wrote the second comment you’re responding toThe first comment is correct as well it’s not a contradiction. Your personality is always connected to your physical experience even just changing an environment changes your personality to some degree the question is to what degree so death is a more fundamental change, but it’s not the most fundamental change we cycle in and out of each archetype over eons of time so you might have the same general personality for many lifetimes until you complete that archetype then you move to the next one so you lose a lot of death, but you’re still on a larger story but that larger story still has a death as well. It just has a larger lifespan Than your physical body so every aspect of your personality is an example of distinction and distinction always has a beginning in an end. The question is what timeline is that distinction held on your personality connected to your friend might be a seven year timeline that will pass on. There are some aspects of our personality which survived past death that doesn’t make them eternal it just puts them on a longer lifespan, but there’s no aspect of personality which can pass into eternity certain aspects have longer, and shorter lifespans. If you have a favorite watch, you put it on every day and it breaks that’s a more minor aspect of your personality, but it is an aspect of your personality. You change homes you move that’s a more major aspect of your personality but very minor in relation to larger things you die more major personality change than most that doesn’t mean you have a total wipe there are more underlying powerful current personality, which continue past death once again that doesn’t make them eternal
>>42409573Where did you get this information?
