Is there a connection between MBTI and astrology?
>>42405583MTBI and facial phenotypes track scientifically
No. Your personality can change. Your signs cannot.
They're both dumb reductionist shit for pseuds.
MBTI is astrology for people incapable of magick.
>>42405610>>42405869MBTI is fairly provable.I asked /biz/ back in the easy money days and everybody was NT, without exception.You needed good intuition and critical thinking skills to understand that you couldn’t wait for validation, but you can’t just throw your money on feels. >>42405606True. But I have two cousins that share my birthday. But they’re both introverts with a strong work ethic.I’m a lazy ass extrovert that has successfully managed to get as much as I want from as little effort as possible.
>>42405583>Taurus Sun>Scorpio Rising>Pisces MoonI always end up scored as a XNFP (E or I) depending on the test, it's been like that for years.
>>42405996sexo
>>42405583I would think they are subsets of a larger concept of human personality creation. Astrology could describe your natural ways of expressing yourself while MBTI could describe your processing and reacting to the world. They both are used to create a unique personality that helps have unique and interesting people.
>>42405583Yes, but both are true and accurate.Intp and entp are quite aquarian personalities. Highly capable of thinking abstractly, in terms of systems, capable of creating new systems.
>>42405583MBTI was based on jung's "types">ESTJ vs INFP>Extrovert vs Introvert (classic jung, although not strictly astrological - possibly nocturnal vs diurnal)>Sensing vs iNtuition = earth vs fire>Thinking vs Feeling = air vs water>Judging vs Perceiving = cardinal and fixed vs mutable (not jung but an astrological correspondence)so astrology is a more comprehensive personality typing framework for the concepts found in MBTI. But the source of truth is the person's personal perception of himself (taking a test) vs the motions of the wandering stars
>>42405996I don’t understand anything about your combo but xe/xir.I may be an asshole, but I like to learn.So if you’d like to school me on astrology, I’ll keep an open mind.>>42406037I’m on the fence about astrology. On one hand my mom is a cancer like me. We’re definitely welcoming extroverts.Unfortunately my mom has a bleeding heart and mine has to get thawed out, before it can function.But I have two introverted cousins that I share a birthday with and they are in hiding. >>42406105You’re on the brink of making sense, brother.I’m definitely from the midwit camp that never had the bearings to take astrology seriously. But I’m willing to learn.Please feel free to make more sense.
>>42406174You need birth times for astrology so you can see the full chart. One sign isn't going to tell you a whole lot.
>>42406174brother, i am sorry, but i also don't take astrology too seriously. nor am I a narcissist prophet to midwits. i only got interested in astrology after watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUr4AoBY9UY which I thought was kind of cool, but that is all.the idea was simply>MBTI borrowed ideas from Jung>Jung borrowed ideas from astrologybut they are still distinct. Personally, I think that astrology is a lens to explore one's personality. There are infinite ways to read the same chart. it comes down to personal beliefs. But no reason why you should listen to me over anyone else's take on astrology. If you learn all about astrology and still don't believe it, that is totally fine by me.
>>42405606Not true. Your signs are constantly changing in your return charts
>>42405583Yes but not in the way some would think.They’re both forms of accurate divination loosely connected
>>42405595Facial phenotypes, ugliness and beauty define how you are treated in a society. Personality being correlated with physical characteristics, depending on the social environment, isn't much of a surprise. Halo effect is the perfect exampleof how enforced biases in the formative years can influence outward, as well as inward perception. So, no wonder why biased perception of different facial phenotypes, in that SPECIFIC social environment, can be correlated with the personality of said facial phenotype. Which I believe wouldn't be uniform across the world. So, to call metrics of environmental influences a scientific measure, which cannot be applied uniformly, is just wrong
>>42406289I’ve been drinking a bit tonight, but you’re making sense. Matter of fact, I think I’m gonna sleep to this pod.
>>42405583One is legit, somewhat accurate and thus moderately useful, the other one is astrology.
>>42407113
I'm ENTP, why are all the memes clowning on me?
>>42405583Astrology examines unconscious dynamics by mapping archetypes onto the macrocosm. The latter's isomorphic relationship with the mundane is supported by millenia of tradition outliving entire civilizations. MBTI, like other forms of modern personality typology, is a comparatively primitive attempt at doing the same through a "scientific" lens. It already fails step 0 of analysing the unconscious by making it contigent on self-reported data (questionnaires) which distortively filter everything through the biased mind of the subject. MBTI has 16 types, which are permutations of the function stack composed of Nx, Sx, Fx, and Tx. Compare this even just to historical Western astrology which has 12 signs, 12 houses, and 7 planets, which together form a vast amount of potential combinations. 16 types is nothing. The zodiac alone has an elegant internal logic and each sign is assigned an element, a modality, a ruler, and various essential dignities and debilities. Planets interact with one another through aspects (angular distance) to produce unique effects. I could go on and on for hours.
>>42406105MBTI is so simplistic, you don't even need the zodiac to map it out. E/I is hot/cold (functionally the same as diurnal/nocturnal) and J/P is dry/moist.
>>42408038its beauty lies in its simplicity
>>42407923Because we’re clowns.>>42407975Holy shit you’re boring. I didn’t understand anything you said.
>>42408493It's not fair I didn't sign up for this
>>42406174I meant X as in I either scored an INFP or ENFP
>>42405583I'm infp and Gemini What do i do
>>42407975>MBTI, like other forms of modern personality typology, is a comparatively primitive attempt at doing the same through a "scientific" lens. It already fails step 0 of analysing the unconscious by making it contigent on self-reported data (questionnaires) which distortively filter everything through the biased mind of the subjectThis is true, but how does astrology reveal anything about personality? By your complaint about MBTI, the solution would be trying to individuate, analyze your own dreams, etc. It wouldn't be astrology
>>42410131Same though I'm a Capricorn
>>42405583Yeah kind of, Jung himself talks about it in his book about it.https://www.amazon.com/Jung-Astrology-C-G/dp/1138230731Also, the four classical elements are the four cognitive functions.Earth = SensationFire = IntuitionAir = ThinkingWater = FeelingExtroversion and introversion are universal concepts that depict the attitude of the relationship between the subject and the object. When the subject is agreeable to the influence of the object, we call that extroverted. When the subject is disagreeable to the influence of the object, we call that introverted. These concepts are not pinned cleanly onto anything within astrology as easily as the four classical elements are to the four "jungian" functions.Rather, for a more "clean" depiction of the four jungian functions within the framework of a divination system we need to turn to eastern astrology, specifically we need to look at the system called I CHING. Now we can map extroversion onto YANG and introversion onto YIN. We can then map the four jungian functions onto ELDER YANG, ELDER YIN, YOUNG YANG, and YOUNG YIN. And from there, it becomes obvious we can map all 8 of Jung's original psychological types to the 8 "Ba Gua" trigrams of the Taoist metaphysical system of correspondences.From there, one can begin to see more clearly why it was that Richard Wilhelm consulted closely with Carl Jung for many years when he composed what is now considered the gold standard english translation of the I Ching, the Wilhelm Translation. And then one can gain a deeper appreciation for exactly why Wilhelm's translation was so successfully received by the West compared to prior historical attempts by more pious Christians that denounced oriental mysticism as heathen nonsense. Wilhelm, with the help of Jung, brought I Ching, the foundation of Taoist metaphysics, to the Western world.MBTI is just kind of like, tacked onto all of this and grew out of Jung's work, so understanding Jung is more important than MBTI.
ENFP and aquariuswat do
>>42410532Purchase gold and firearms Learn how to make shelters out of twigs and mud
>>42405610Yeah, the people who believe in this stuff are stupid and histrionic.
>>42411001Hystrionic is not the right word to use here at all
>>42405583>infpcan confirm
>>42410131>>42410404INTP or INFP, really not sure.Sun-Moon-Mercury Aries with ascendant Saturn in Capricorn.Funny that I've always considered the snow leopard as my spirit/totemic animal. Even saw it during regression therapy once.
>>42410972Way ahead of you, already have fair amounts of both, shoot a lot, and go primative camping already. Odd.
>>42405583Taurus/ENFPThat on brand?I don’t know enough about astrology to really even tell which posts are supporting or disputing OP lol
