>>42409067
I'm not religious but if I had to guess, it's because god gave us free will and about half of us decided we should do bad shit with it, leading to the torment and abuse of the other half.

>>42409067
Sometimes you are born a toy.

>>42409079
>half at the beginning
With Adam and Eve
then with Cain and Abel
>99.9% just before the flood
But much of that evil is explained as fallen angels,
so it is not only the free will of man that is at odds with perfection

>>42409067
>4=4
There is no letter for letter translation from any other language to english. Koine greek Paleo hebrew you books are man made false doctrines.

>>42409103
You were told "god is good, god is great, worship god, god is everything" etc. so much as a kid and now you're finding out that life isn't as good, great or loving as you were repeatedly indoctrinated to believe. I get you. It sucks.
But religion goes through filters:
>Individuals who have their own interpretations of what was said.
>Pretenders who aggressively misinterpret and edit what was said.
>People who want to reassure you that everything is fine and tell many "white lies" to change the truth to a gentler one.
>The fact that having perfect knowledge of god is literally impossible.
You can keep going on and coping about who is responsible, why evil exists, why you don't deserve all the horrible things happening on this planet until you're blue in the face.
Or you can hold the individuals who are making you suffer accountable.
Stop screaming at god when another human steals your things. You really think of fallen angels disappeared, the whole of humanity would create utopia and live in peace and harmony forever?
Note that 'Utopia' was described as everyone having their own slaves. Doesn't sound like utopia to them to me.

>>42409067
people like you are very tiresome, read the bible and kindly fuck off

>>42409134
No, instead I've found life is too good for most people. God really is just that great. I think if the fallen angels disappeared many of us wouldn't recognize ourselves anymore, or even be able to function. Much of the human body is a relationship akin to slavery, and cancer is rebellion. Even now we've only displaced human slavery on to machines. The problem was never slavery itself after all. We just want relationships with accountability and mutual growth/benefeit.

>>42409212
I agree that the potential for life is overwhelmingly good and it's a small percentage of people aggressively ruining it for billions of people for reasons unknown.

>>42409238
I tend to agree with the majority on that point. It's the love of money that is the root of all evil. Even if you get rid of money, the love will remain, and it will simply pick new objects of significance. Though, it is somewhat misguided I think to call it love. It is lust, in that the desire seeks to subvert the things we hate/fear. The heart is fickle, and not to be trusted. Still many proudly "follow their hearts."

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3 persons

Father + Son = 2/3 = 0,666...
The number od the beast/human.

Holy Spirit = 1/3 = 0,333... = 1
The number of equilibrium.

Holy Spirit is the true God.

>>42409212
>>42409238
no one asked to be born though, no matter how good you two imagine physical "life" is.
I can't wait for the elites to start a nuclear apocalypse and wipe out your species

>>42409432
>no one asked to be born though
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.

Isaiah 45:10
Woe to him who says to a father, 'What are you fathering?' Or to a woman, 'To what are you giving birth?'

Evil becomes the wretched, but who is a wretch at birth?

>>42409500
not gonna read your bible shit

>>42409517
Resentment toward existence often comes from what people become, not from existence itself.

>>42409524
Or fear over the future, resentment towards the past. Living in the present and focusing only on it decreases suffering.

>>42409432

>your species

Imp or tincan, call it.

>>42409532
>>42409524
christ-tards can't imagine why someone would resent shitworld, do a jewy psychoanalysis on him

>>42409067
Kabbalah has an interesting answer to this question.

Ain Sof/Monad/One/Source/Nirvana/Dao/etc is not Perfection in the sense of being static, but it is Perfection-ing. Always growing and always flourishing. It gave us free will as part of the conditions of humans being both givers and receivers. If we only received, there would be no universe and humanity to populate the universe. There would just be God and nothing else.

As humans raise their Divine Sparks and reunite with God, God becomes more Perfect.

Although no religious text has an answer as to why God would create humans and have a shadow...I believe it is because there is no other equivalent to the Monad. There's no multitude of Monads and Ones and Sources flying around. It's just the Monad and nobody else.

It is lonely. Wouldn't you be lonely in his position? The only artist, the only engineer, the only dreamer, the only architect, the only mechanic, the only tinkerer, the only river that flows...Ain Sof/The Source/Monad is Zero. God is One, The Divine Feminine is Two, The Son is Three...and humanity is Four.

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>>42409067
That retarded shit isn't in the Bible, OP. Just read a chapter of the Bible every day and set time aside to pray without worrying about doctrine, denominations, theology, the Trinity, or any other gay crap. Your foundation should always be to do what Jesus said to do.
“For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” ~ Matthew 11:30 (KJV)
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.” ~ Colossians 2:8

>>42409238
> for reasons unknown.
they are ego driven cattle its as simple as that. if you dont build yourself over the course of your life gathering perspectives and perceptions expanding your consciousness while not being a piece of shit then you will make it. otherwise you become a materialist like these:
>>42409134
>>42409432

>>42411669
then you wont make it*

>>42411671
holy shit i worded that terribly goodnight

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>>42409067
>why does hell and suffering exist?
Souls sometimes want to try and be God. God lets them try this, even knowing it will cause some temporary suffering.
Christianity is wrong.

>>42409134
>Note that 'Utopia' was described as everyone having their own slaves. Doesn't sound like utopia to them to me.
This SOUNDED like disingenuous half-truth, and it was.
>Utopian slaves are primarily citizens who have committed heinous crimes, or condemned criminals purchased cheaply from other nations. Additionally, poor laborers from foreign countries sometimes voluntarily choose to become bondmen in Utopia because life is better there than in their poverty-stricken homelands. Prisoners of war are only enslaved if they were captured actively fighting against Utopia.
So basically the "slaves" in Utopia are prison and migrant workers. And it says quite clearly that a lot of these "slaves" ARE choosing to be so because it is better than the work in their own land.
This has nothing to do with "one group of humans inherently thinks it is better than another, and does everything it can to hurt and oppress."
Dont use bad and specious understandings of books to try and support your bullshit.

>>42409635
Jesus resented the shit world too, it's kind of our thing to care. Shouting about how you wont read the Scripture then insulting us as you steal our talking points is hilarious in a self oblivious sort of way.

>>42411838
>God lets them try this, even knowing it will cause some temporary suffering.
God's suffering is eternal, but it's not so people can try to be Him. It's so people are free to choose themselves in general. Many people have a hard time understanding this. They fail to believe in a truly good God.

>>42412403
>God's suffering is eternal
God would only suffer if God wanted to.
> it's not so people can try to be Him.
Yes it is. Samsara is to let souls pretend to be the center of existence.
> It's so people are free to choose themselves
You are always free to choose yourself. Trying to be God creates delusion, not selfhood.
>They fail to believe in a truly good God.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is happening with good/evil.

>>42412541
>You are always free to choose yourself
This is what God has allowed through free will, yes. For this reason God's suffering is eternal. God wants us to freely choose and so we do. If God wanted us to choose to be Him that would be encouraged. Instead humility is given favor.

>>42409785
>spoil you through philosophy
Books that contain shit like this should be burned asap

>>42412594
>This is what God has allowed through free will, yes.
You dont need suffering or samsara to exercise free will.
>For this reason God's suffering is eternal.
God is not suffering unless God wants to.
>If God wanted us to choose to be Him
Idiotic monistic nonsense.

>>42412633
You also don't need samsara to explain suffering. We suffer to protect what we make a part of ourselves. God is no different, but He chose us, and we have the choice between Him and deception.
>God is not suffering unless God wants to.
The same can be said of you. Does your wanting to live on and thus suffer make your suffering meaningless?
>Idiotic monistic nonsense
Humility is far from it my friend.

>>42409067
tikkun olam
the shattering of one into many
>>42409311
if you divide one into 3rds you get
1/3 .3333-
1/3 .3333-
1/3 .3333-
add these back and you get
1=.99999-

this is the separation/generation of man, men from god

add 2 duality with out the 3 balance and you get .66666 which two you add without the third would be general preference
1/3 .3333- of heaven fell to earth
so maybe one might want to redeem what is fallen
but the best a 6 can do is be 9 as when 1 is 1 there is no is just i

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>>42409067
what makes you think you're capable of knowing the mind of god?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds&ra=m

>>42412660
nta but i was made in gods image to know thy self is to know god
sacred geometry as above so below

>>42412652
>You also don't need samsara to explain suffering.
Howso?
>We suffer to protect what we make a part of ourselves.
Well this IS samsara. the delusion that you own something. I, me, and mine - that is samsara.
>God is no different
God is different because God IS the center of existence. God DOES own, while we do not. We are owned by God. Not the same.
>The same can be said of you.
No. I am not omnipotent.
>Humility is far from it my friend.
Agreed, there is no humility in those pushing monism.

>>42412660
>>42412665
We know God through The Father's creation, and through The Word's sacrifice, and through The Holy Spirit's guidance. The faculties to know and love God were given freely. The choice to ignore Him was as well.

>>42412864
>Well this IS samsara.
You're simplifying. The illusion isn't ownership. It's far more expansive and tricky to deal with and understand than that. Satan is a title, and the name of the one who bears it is never given in The Bible, because to name the source of deception is to ensure its survival. Calling it ownership is one example, and I've seen first hand that the the inhuman asceticism it leads to is barbaric. It becomes a justification for suffering, when what I'm saying is more subtle. Suffering is required to weigh the worth of oneself, and anyone without this practice cannot act in a way we consider good.

>God DOES own, while we do not.
Then you call God a liar who does not freely give the gifts we are blessed with.
>No. I am not omnipotent.
That's irrelevant. Consider the premise. It's clear that suffering is what makes many things meaningful in the first place.
>there is no humility in those pushing monism.
You speak in absolutes, and this forsakes your own humility.

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This is asked every day and its so simple its on the first chapter of the Bible. Evil exists because we're in a fallen state. We're in a fallen state because we disoveyed God. Man listened to the woman rather than God, and the woman was tempted by Satan.

Satan and his angels and humanity was cast down to the Earth. Sin entered the Earth and with sin came Death and Decay. Gods perfection was ruined and brought down, this was Satans plan for revenge against God.

But you cant outamart God. All knowledge and Wisdom comes from him. All creation exists because of him. So since the beginning Jesus was with God and was God (John 1). Jesus is God made man so he can be born, live a perfect life and sacrifice so we can be saved trough him. Jesus pays for your debt fully.

Gods plan is perfect. We are born and die in sin but by believing in Jesus Christ we are reedemed and saved. All the evil in this world is temporary and will be eliminated when Jesus returns. Then we will live in perfect peace and harmony with the Lord in heaven.

We're also not alone here because the spirit of God was send to us trough Jesus Christ. This spirit is also God and lives in us if we let it and guides us towards understanding.

God's plan is perfect because it also gives freedom for everyone to chose salvation or continue into separation from God in hell. God gives us this choice because love cant be forced we have to choose to be with him. Salvation is a gift from God, "for by faith we are saved, not by works, so none shall boast"

Hell is not a place were God sends us if we do bad. Thats a lie from Satan. Hell is the final destination for all humans. From the Pope in Italy to the lowest bum on the street. Everybody in this planet is equally hell bound. The only way to salvation is to be redeemed by Jesus Christ. Every other doctrine is a lie.

Hope this makes sense anon.

If free will is granted without the capacity to do good (which requires suffering), then that will is bound to evil and not free at all. A strict Buddhist seeks to unburden himself and so forsakes God's gifts. A faithful Christian seeks burdens in service of Love, Truth, and ongoing creation.

>>42412939
>The illusion isn't ownership.
It isnt simplifying, it is pointing out the inclusion, and trying to weasel out of it through lawyering only shows why you are in samsara.
>Then you call God a liar
No, nothing of the sort and you are making stupid shit up.
We can talk about God lying when God wants to, but nothing I said calls God a liar.
A bad and dishonest attempt at false dichotomy.
>That's irrelevant.
Wrong again. God's omnipotence and my limit means we are not the same. That is very relevant.
>You speak in absolutes
No, you try to force me into your categories and I resolutely deny you any ability to do so.

>>42413208
>It isnt simplifying
You have not addressed the core of the issue at all, which means you are weaseling out of it even as you accuse me of doing so. A self cannot exist without ownership, be it higher or personal. So, if you are not simplifying, you are saying all that is itself is an illusion, because all that is itself owns itself. Identity is inherited and hierarchical, and this too becomes illusion. Included in this of course is the not-self (anatta), now an illusion according to you, all because its ownership is but illusion.

>No, nothing of the sort
You said we cannot own anything, but God made it clear we own the responsibility to cultivate and care for the earth, including ourselves and each other. You own your body. You own your mind. You own your spirit. They were gifts freely given by our creator.

>God's omnipotence and my limit means we are not the same.
If this were sound logic analogies would never serve a purpose. Want to try again?

>force me into your categories
I'm using yours though. Choose more wisely perhaps?

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>>42409067
Without "shadows" it will have no energy to move through which is as good as death itself.

>>42409067
Why do chocolate cookies taste good if crocodiles have scales?

>>42409067
That's the fun part, it doesn't.