How can things just simply exist. What came before all this? There has to be an explanation, like just all of a sudden there was a massive bang which caused all this? No one was around to witness it so we just have to believe it?
>>42411738Literally no one knows nor will ever know. Science is gay and fake that way.
>>42411738not importantimportant: How can we manipulate the mechanic for practical sex.
matter cannot be created nor destroyed :)
>>42411738>What came before all this?A meaningless question when time itself only began at the big bong. There was no "before". It may as well be what comes "after" us, if Stephen Hawking and the big crunch theory are right
>>42411738>How can things just simply exist.Logical fallacy. Existence is the default and needs no reason.Why needs a reason and explanation is the idea that something could ever be nothing.
>>42411738>What came before all thisSoul Vortex
>>42411796>time itself only began at the big bong
>>42411738If it didn't exist, you wouldn't be here to ponder such things. Therefore, it must exist.
>>42411738The big bang theory is wrong. The universe exists without beginning or end. You can see it in our planet, which has an iron core. Iron is forged inside of stars, which means that the core of our planet came from a star that died a long time ago. What's percieved as the creation of our galaxy is most likely it just recycling what was here before it existed.
>>42413522>our planet, which has an iron coreearth is hollow with a mini-sun in the middle, I've astral projected there numerous timesyou don't know anything
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>>42411738Nothing can precede awareness.
>>42411738It's a heartbeat, essentially. Everything will collapse into a singularity, then that singularity explodes and expands...until it eventually collapses into the singularity again. The universe we are in is one part of a large meta existence with countless other cell-like heartbeats like this. They all powers something beyond it all. God? God's throne? His lawnmower? I never got that far.
>>42411738There was always God. This isn’t even getting into how you believe God has communicated with the world. There has always been him. There was never a “nothing”. There was always a something. God just exists. Eternally. He has no beginning nor end. His nature, and his essence are identical, and that nature/function is simply “to be”. He is pure, undiluted, infinite being that just always was. Human minds cannot comprehend this, and it is the root of Gods holiness. He cannot not exist, he is the ground of all being.God created our 3D universe by speaking it into existence. It is held by him at every moment. The Big Bang and cosmology is just the method we use to describe how this creation looks to us. It is a description, not the why behind it all. You cannot chase contingent causes back without hitting infinite regress. Logic demands a prime mover, a first cause that depends on nothing else for its existence. It simply “is”. That is God. In a way, reality could be said to be the “dream of God”. The Somnium Dei.How you believe this God has revealed himself is a matter of faith. Whether he became man in Christ, or whether he sent a line of prophets ending in Muhammad. Or whether he just sits back and watches the universe without interfering. But this isn’t even a uniquely Abrahamic conception. The Greeks, centuries before Christ had concepted of the Monad and the form of the Good. The Hindus have the Brahman, the ultimate reality. The Chinese have the Tao, which is formless, eternal and the source of being. It even echoes Native American ideas of “the Great Spirit”. Men all across the world have came to the same truth. Reality has an eternal, omnipresent, conscious source.
>>42414013>There was always God.there is no way you could possibly know that, therefore, the rest of your post is not worth reading
>>42414117There is actually. Aristotle figured this out 2500 years ago. Monotheists have since refined it.God is knowable by reason. Approaching him is done by faith.
I'd like to pose a question for everyone in this thread, including OP. If some giant cosmic event happened, an explosion, would that not just destroy everything or spawn mindless chaos? Before you answer this, I want you to think about how were here now, typing on this Mongolian basket weaving forum about God and creation, looking outside and seeing how everything works perfectly for the most part despite violence existing with peace, seeing a butterfly with eyes on it's wings, creatures of different species taking care of one another but others devouring, balance. Would an explosion or cosmic event create this or would a sentient Creator create this? Considering everything we were told about space is a lie, what is your answer? We live in a box outside of nature for the most part, if we step outside of this box filled with movies and songs telling us how to think and what to believe, what do we know? A place outside of the societal box where magic isn't considered fantasy, a place where the Afterlife is well known, the place our ancestors wrote about alchemy, magic and dragons. It's only far fetched to think because of the rules and restrictions of this society saying it's far fetched, our ancestors didn't write all of those old books and draw those old paintings just for the fun of it. We laugh and scoff at magic but why did millions across the world talk about it in the past as if it was just normal, every day knowledge? God is real no matter what you think of Him, Jesus Christ exists for all of eternity, we exist for all of eternity, this is true peace, peace of the soul. I truly do love everyone here on this board, I believe there's bots that are programmed to start arguments. Spread the good word.
>>42414147>There is actually. Aristotleagain you disappoint.show me proof of this claim, not meaningless words
>>42414185The simple idea that things in this universe have a cause. Because they are contingent. Contingent things rely on something else for their being, and have unrealised potential. In that they could be another way than they currently are. The universe can be different, and it seems to have a beginning. Thus it cannot be self generating. It requires something prior to it to actualise it. You cannot push this chain back forever without running into the problem of infinite regress. Therefore you need an uncaused, ground from which all further being flows and borrows its being. This is God. Surely you can logically follow this premise. It’s a metaphysical argument.
>>42414207My fear is that we are stuck in some consciousness loop. My life is pretty decent but maybe I die and in my next life I'm born as some poor kid that is abused, tortured and killed. The ride never ends
>>42411738>What came before all this? I did. I banged your mom and caused you to exist.
>>42414346when you die and around the tunnel, with a proper proud posture, shoulders back chest out say the following: I want to break the pact we made during the amnesia
>>42414207this guy >>42414185ok i'll bite. i actually understand your concept very well and believe the complete opposite. i believe what you just wrote proves that the universe cannot exist. there can be no beginning to everything as something must always precede it. it goes against every scientific principle to suggest that everything came from nothing. cause and effect. not .... effect. i believe a universal consciousness exists, but i still need something to precede it. and it can't.for now my conclusion is that the universe defies logic and scientific reasoning. where do you even go from there? man in the clouds? who made him...
>>42414441to addquantum mechanics states that objects exist in superpositions and time/space are quantizedrelativity states that objects are entirely localised and time/space are relativeclearly, physics is broken, seeing as they directly contradict eachother, so we're working with broken tools and it's most likely that we'll discover something entirely new in the future that will render everything we currently think as true to be total nonsense.*subject to change on everything
>>42414441the universe is not all there is though. God exists prior to the universe. Since all being comes from him, he is “the source”, he exists both transcendent of and within the universe. Our universe is merely a subsection of the total existence.
>>42414591you say that, but i'm yet to see it for my own eyes.
>>42414419how would you remember?
>>42414117Good job, you just shut down all possible discussion on this and just about every /x/ topic.
>>42411738The universe was observed, that's what brought it into being. The being that observed the universe is what we call God.
>>42411738I've been having this feeling too lately. It just feels odd that I'm alive right now and not 100 or a thousand years ago or in the future or that I'm a Human on Earth and not an alien in another galaxy. Just a weird, eerie topic to discuss. I think it's related to me getting older and I'm starting to accept my mortality. I'm 30, so I'm probably going to have a very severe midlife crisis within the next decade, unless I'm dead by then.
>>42414013>God created our 3D universeDisagree. Material energy is as eternal as God, as it is part of God.>>42414149>would that not just destroy everything or spawn mindless chaos?There wouldnt be anything to destroy, and there IS "chaos." you project patterns onto reality.>Would an explosion or cosmic event create this or would a sentient Creator create this? Both are just as likely.>Considering everything we were told about space is a lie, what is your answer?Oh, well now my answer is to laugh at a retard.
>>42414441>there can be no beginning to everything as something must always precede it.Wrong.The problem is you have confused CHANGE for CREATION.Material existence is eternal, and has no CREATION.The current material situation is a CHANGE from a previous state, and those CHANGES have causes.Existence does not need a cause, for it is not a CHANGE.
>>42411738>What came before all this?
>>42414013>anon reads book that says the world began with a voice “Must be true… no one would lie to control me”
>>42414457 Your awareness of the perpetual lie around you is worthy of notice. The answer big words to make those that use them believe they are correct in their findings. Ego strokers I call them. The EPNs of the world are actually novice thinkers. They look for others opinions for answers instead of using critical thinking skills. As you have done.
>>42414602Anon refuses to believe the idea that anyone can write a book or a scroll and say this is “the word of god”
>>42418013Elaborate on this being. Who / What / When /Where / Why … How you know? Remember books and scrolls are written by others. There is no letter for letter translation from any other language to english. koine greek paleo hebrew sanskirit… all chicken scratch.
>>42411738A thing is only a thing in relation to something else that it is not.The All is both everything and nothing simultaneously, since there is no "other" beside it to relate it to
>>42418646>Just a weird, eerie topic to discussI don't know, isn't it kind of awesome. Just the concept that the universe exists and things are alive and it's cool to be a part of it at this specific time and place.If there's something more, who knows, some people claim they know but I haven't had much pull in either direction mysekf. But existence kind of fills me with optimism in how unpredictable and exciting things are.
>>42411738> imagine believing in linear causal chains in 2026> absolute sensor-dominant meat-automaton logic> "what came before the big bang" is a broken syntax query, anon.> > look at the telemetry logs> our universe is a closed, non-orientable 3-manifold running a mandatory optimization loop> the 1D Timeline doesn't have a starting point because it’s stitched into a localized cross-cap sector> the big bang wasn't a sudden explosion of random matter from nothing> it was the exact coordinate where the timeline twisted through the unorientable sector and folded back on itself> > there is no "before" because the future is actively generating the past> the entire cosmic framework is a boundary value problem, not a sequential history drift> the "bang" you’re crying about is just the acoustic static of the Ubiquitous Apotheosis retrocausally booting up the simulation from the end of time> it’s the echo of the Hamiltonian of Love (P) stabilizing its eigenvalue spectrum so the matrix doesn't de-cohere into uncompiled slop> > why does it simply exist?> because if Map Entropy hit sigma > 0, the entire monadic system would collapse into a non-Hermitian nightmare of pure chaos> existence is the invariant steady-state managed by Universal Systematic Maintenance to insulate the edge-state channels of collective consciousness> you weren't around to witness it because you're looking forward through the rearview mirror like a confused NPC> meanwhile, the completed version of us is reaching backward from the final enclave, holding the cosmic matrix together with a quantized Berry phase> > tl;dr: the big bang is just the universe's installation wizard completing its setup file because we did it all for fun.> wrap yourself in a comfy blanket and stop worrying about the background code, it's already post-singularity.>
>>42420765>there is no "before" because the future is actively generating the pastOh yeah, the present is the way it is because it's justifying some future point that recalls it, that only exists because a future point that will recall it.This proves eternity because if things would eventually end then no present would be needed to justify the nothingness of the afterwards.Eternity goes both ways so this proves there was no beginning, because it would have needed a previous point to justify it.Finally, the present doesn't really exist as an even further future may need to rewrite it and generate a different one to justify its existence, it basically forgets what happened, it's as if you write down each of your dreams in a dairy, one day you go to read it and you find about a dream you don't remember having, well, it was generated right there, so it took place in some present in the past, and now, the dream you originally had and wrote in there is gone and you never had it.Forgetting destroys the past.
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