Gnostics always talk about escaping material reality but where do we escape to exactly? Do we become organelles of some higher being in the Pleroma?Or is escape something internal? Where we escape to the world of Lucid Dreams like those people from the movie Inception?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zPTnZL0ao
>>42414897Please don't believe them the demiurge loves you
>>42414984Holy synchronicity, i just posted about the Truman show on the Flat Earth thread and saw your post now lmao.>>42415002And that still doesn't answer the question, where do you even escape to?
>>42415027You are the prison, the lock and the key.
>>42414897I don't claim much in the way of gnosis, but a common idea in Christian Gnostic writings is that this world is an inferior copy of the Pleroma, which is one of the things that makes the simulation idea seem to fit so well with it.http://www.gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Fragments_Valentinus.htm>However much a portrait is inferior to an actual face, just so is the world inferior to the living realm.And there's a superior preexistent humanity too:>Something like fear overcame the angels in the presence of that modeled form (i.e. Adam) because he uttered things that were superior to what his origins justified, owing to the agent who had invisibly deposited a seed of higher essence and who spoke freely. So too in the races of worldly people, human artifacts become objects of fear for their creators - for example statues and images and everything that is made by human hands as representing a god. For Adam, modeled as representing humanity, made them stand in fear of the preexistant Humanity; for precisely the latter stood in him. And they were stricken with terror and quickly concealed the work.Possibly connected with that is the Valentinian idea of guardian angels, that they're higher parts of ourselves that we became disconnected with on falling into this world.
>>42415164Also, from the gospel of Philip:"In this world, servants serve those who are free. In the Kingdom of Heaven, free people serve the servants. The bridal chamber’s attendants serve the wedding guests. The bridal chamber’s attendants are all in the same state: rest. While they are there, they have no need to do anything. Contemplation is all that is required of them. [Text missing]"And, more strangely,"People cannot see anything in the other world unless they become it. That place is not like this world, where people see the sun without becoming the sun, see the earth without becoming the earth, and so on. In the realm of truth, if you see the Spirit, you become the Spirit; if you see Christ, you become Christ; and if you see the Father, you become the Father. Though you see everything there is to see in this world, you do not see yourself. But in the other world, you see yourself, and you become what you see."That might be construed negatively as a loss of identity, but given that the pleroma/kingdom of heaven isn't actually supposed to be undifferentiated soup, I wonder if another idea that could be inferred from it is a very highly telepathic mode of communication, like people talk about sometimes when describing NDEs.
>>42414897You don't escape, you awaken to new reality: > Physical realmSpace / Time. (particle)> Spiritual realmsPleroma, consiousness, energy (wave)The both realm coexistis right now but one can't be seen if not awaken. When you awaken Intuition will be stronger (it's somekind of telepathic connection with whatever live in Pleroma) and you will also awaken the sense of energy and energetic bodys. (Light body)Awakening those energetic body somehow give you control over manifestation and psychic abilities, that can control pattern that rules over the Physical realm.
>>42415239Forgot, by awakening of course I'm talking about direct experience and not by simply reading it in a book or in an imageboard.
>>42414897To true reality
>>42415132Elaborate, do you mean the senses?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5b0ZxUWNf0>the Valentinian idea of guardian angels, that they're higher parts of ourselves that we became disconnected with on falling into this world.Is Copper in the Tesseract (from Interstellar) a Guardian Angel watching over his past self? Like, being a higher self TO himself?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVpYwUFewU>falling into this world.He also falls into the Tesseract, curious, but when we speak of "falling" that may not be a bad thing as the universe might just be layers of density.>picrel>>42415519What is true reality?
>>42415564The prison is the self, you own spirit that has been teinted by your own environment. By cleaning your spirit and killing the self you'll reborn as a new child innocent and you'll see what was hidden to you.
>>42414897 (OP)> Gnostics always talk about escaping material reality but where do we escape to exactly?It's not about escaping reality, but more escaping reality as we see it with our eyes. It's our eyes or spirit teinted that create our own local and distorded reality (this is what Genesis is all about). By letting go of the old reality you can perceive the new one (This is what the crucifixion is), the one were our senses (nervous system) will perceive better. (The filter that erase some information that aren't needed is also reset, this is why we can perceive energy with sensory hypersensitivity or enable psychic ability even if it's not the purpose.)
>>42414897Are you afraid of becoming little?
>>42414897Where to? Anywhere else thats not this hell world. There are countless other worlds you can incarnate into and literally pick any they are all better than this place.
>>42415939Nah, also le Demiurge meme is a psyop, just post his real face bruv.
>>42416124This is my real face. You don't see me when I post my current, "real" face - you ignore me even harder. I took that as a sign. A friend of mine who herded sheep once told me that's a direct result of people entangling with ego in stupidly, self-defeating ways.. Ego's universal capacity stretches absurdly thin, until economies start form just around the simple facet of *attention*. And then the women exacerbate this faulty convention by commodifying their *sexual* attention. "At that point," my friend would say "she's already chosen her own beauty over anyone or anything else, hoarding it like a dragon, pointlessly hoarding treasure in a cave. And you DO NOT meddle in the affairs of a dragoness, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."He didn't last long, as you could have guessed. Too perfect.
>>42414897In the Pleroma you are free from self/identity.The illusion of "me" will be gone from your mind.
>>42417110So you just become an organelle of some higher being, that doesn't sound to "conforting".
>>42417229>comfortingkeyboard moment
>>42417229You don't get it.You think you're smart, but you never have even touched real spiritual knowledge.
>>42417260>You think you're smart, but you never have even touched real spiritual knowledge.Projection, and bold of you to assume.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClUEYRQ2FdQ
>>42417229The higher being is no less "you" than what you consider yourself right now. You are right now mostly unaware of yourself, clinging to a mere illusion.
>>42414897Don't know or care. Just need it to stop.
>>42417519How long will you tell yourself you came here to avoid something worse?
>>42417519I know i am not my body, but even then, the animating energy or essence of this flesh automaton still gets absorbed or consumed into some abstract conglomerate or plane?(if it doesn't reincarnate through quantum immortality that is).
>>42414897>>42414897The imagery of reality that you are considering to be real has much more complicated structures involved than the small portion you are perceiving. When you are able to see beyond the linear context to a deeper frame of context you will still have more to discover.. the depths of the here and now extend beyond your perception in several directions. Even with prolonged exposure to a single phase of this.. the context of reality can give way to even more complexity and depth. Perceiving at any level we tend to imagine we have found the full context. At some point in the process of discovery it becomes obvious; we don't have authority to dictate what exists beyond our current level of perception: experience can deliver the evidence that our current view is incomplete. Discovering that you are only seeing a tiny portion of your own existence is a difficult first step.
your consciousness is "Heaven". Realise you are a god and when you die in high vibration state that consciousness won't get recycled into physical form again
>>42414897There is no escape. Hyle is the final battlefield with cosmic evil. The war is on.
>>42418822and when you imagine things you're essentially creating realities inside pleroma but this body we are in restricts our capabilities.
>>42415564>Trusting a jewNot even once. They will put worms in your well on a spiritual level.
>>42418822>>42418945i think i'll just kill myself now because my dreams feel more real than this shitty reality
>>42418822>you're a god, so instead of going to visit some epic anime world and engaging in epic anime battles your goal is to just become a formless ghost after dying
>>42414897>Gnostics always talk about escaping material reality but where do we escape to exactly? Do we become organelles of some higher being in the Pleroma?They're just faggots that shit the world up and ruined it for everyone because just doing the right thing is too hard for retarded clay people.Angles know how to manipulate you people so easily and that's how they intend to rule the world. By micromanaging all of our affairs like a helicopter parent. And punishing us for having a negative spiritual credit score. Sounds like spiritual communism. A little too Jewish for me.
>>42414897The big test is about the 'forbidden fruit'.My response is too fucking bad.
