>>42548658
With how fake and gay everything is, the simple way to start is to buy as few things as possible, and spend your money on small businesses where you can. Ancient Buddhists didn’t have to deal with internet shopping and marketing

>>42548665
Lets keep it that way for now. I suggest that we go back to watches, as it seems like it all goes back to time

>>42548668
ancient buddhism tells you how to be enterprising. it's no different. what is different is now there are a lot of expectations and observations of what to be, whereas when buddhism was formed everything was waves of family driven people. it was developed with all this in mind. sitting meditation is supposed to lead to the realization that meditation is in every action.

>>42548658
If you have a genuine teacher/lama/guru, and you go in 100%, then yes.
If you do it just as a "spiritual" hobby it's nice but won't change much.
True spirituality is a hardcore path.

>>42548658
One of two. Buddhism allows you to forge your own spirit and exit the cycle of rebirth on your own.

>>42548658
Yes, it's one way. It's just as powerful as christianity.

>yet another buddhist preaching thread

>>42548658
one of many. it works if you don't suffer too much and live in ignorance, once you notice little bit too much that path is insufferable, meant for those who like pretending the world isn't steaming pile of dog turd. the problem original teachings buddha taught are nothing like how they are portrayed, hence only so many people awaken following his teachings, i argue people awaken just by starting to notice things little by little. you are serious and want to defeat the system? it is quite simple, ((notice)) that you are not your body, ((notice)) your thoughts don't exist outside them and are always (every single time) consequent to previous thought and that previous thought originates from your body, and the thought that you have a body comes from your senses and the thought that you have senses comes from your memories, hence the saying "comeback to your senses", comeback to your memories, which are imagination spawning endless thoughts you think are real, your memories every single recollection of them are thoughts, even this moment you read this text is a memory, it never happened, but your body spawns a thought out of this memory that it did happen, when in reality it didn't, this continuum of memories are what keep you a prisoner. so you must ask what happens when there no longer is a memory or a thought, this is where the concept of a seeker comes to fruition, without seeking there is N O T H I N G, therefore i mustn't seek, but being unseeker is seeking, so you mustn't unseek. this N O T H I N G is how you defeat the system. there is no other truth, there is nothing. from this nothing you perceive a thing, and this thing is a memory, and this memory is B E C O M I N G a T H I N G.

>>42551734
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>>42552210
Good post. Can you say more? Or recommend any readings?

Also can you please explain this last part: "from this nothing you perceive a thing, and this thing is a memory, and this memory is B E C O M I N G a T H I N G."?

>>42552950
>"from this nothing you perceive a thing, and this thing is a memory, and this memory is B E C O M I N G a T H I N G."?
every moment, you are not a thing, but you are becoming IT, you are being formed to this existence anew every moment, meaning there never was a future moment or a moment from the past. THING is becoming NOW in this moment out of a memory. the not a thing aka NOTHING is becoming a thing, which is finely portrayed by 12 nidanas (dependent origination). this THING in turn makes you believe that you are a T H I N G, so you are not ((noticing)) the NOT a THING = nothingness. there is N O _ T H I N G in its most literal sense imaginable. when the body pays attention to both not seeking not unseeking = nothingness, the truth gradually reveals itself that there is no thing, _E V E R Y_thing is a fever dream you thought was a reality. from the NOTHING you are looking at a THING, this THING makes you believe there is NOTHING else than the THING, once you know the THING is a dream it starts to dissolve away, slowly but surely. the driving force is the belief in this thing, the THING says "believe in me, we can do this", and so forth, it keeps convincing you repeatedly. the people around you do the same, "comeback here, do this do that, you must BE this and that", this confusion continues day to day, month to month, year to year, life to life, eons to eons, until a moment arises where the body ((notices)) i am not a thing. this nothingness is your ultimate liberation, it is PERFECT, which is why there is no thing, a thing is always flawed, you will always find a flaw out of a thing. this perfection is what makes you ((notice)) the completion of life, there was no need, there was no destination, there was no another castle, everything was a fever dream. you can finally without effort let go of the thing and go back to no thing (perfection).

>>42554312
Great stuff, thanks a lot.

>>42548658
It's the best thing i've found. Gnosticism, at least the modern version, is still mental masturbation. Buddhism is not. It's the practice.

>>42552210
>meant for those who like pretending the world isn't steaming pile of dog turd

Um really? I thought Buddhism was the exact opposite of this? Like, seeing the world for what really is? And that it's full of misery, pain and suffering? And then you detach from that?

>>42556118
buddhism is so nice bro

>>42548658
Buddhism, Gnosticism and Scientology are the only religions I can think of that have laid out plans for followers to escape the reincarnation cycle. Most other religions are trying to get to some kind of heaven

>>42556264
>I thought Buddhism was the exact opposite of this? Like, seeing the world for what really is? And that it's full of misery, pain and suffering? And then you detach from that?
that is the initial premise, yet they maintain compassion for nothing. and only for nothing. this is pretension, their teachings are manipulation in order to liberate people, and the cost is people who believe it sacrifice themselves for nothing. the nothing is there regardless. the foundation, twelve links is what everything in buddhism is built top of. this forgiveness is their way of saying everyone has a chance and deserves a chance, despite their previous actions or inaction. the posturing where you advise everyone to remain truthful and abstain from adverse action is what maintains the weakness, it is essentially holier than thou, even the lowest rapist scum has a chance to liberate and change their habits, the costs are never mentioned, there are no costs in buddhism, even if it destroys whole society one rapist killer can kill everyone and still according to buddhists he would be taught and liberated. this impotency is the reason buddhism ultimately wanes out and dies, but people are temporary and desperate, this desperation alone is giving the buddhism hope. what buddhism ultimately teaches isn't wrong the means are arguably impossible in modern world (thanks to cross cultural poisoning), yet the modern buddhists are parasites offering little to nothing for their communities taking alms, whatever little is true to the original teachings they are not present in 99% of buddhists life, people are brainwashed to praise them similar to doctors, lawyers etc. the word monk means nothing anymore. once you realize and see the world through the one and only way, the one and only right way, it clicks with you and you know what the sage thousands of years ago was preaching about, unfortunately this impotence has destroyed the compassion they fought for, because the parasites propagate.

>>42548658
Depends on what your idea of victory is.

>>42557077
>this forgiveness is their way of saying everyone has a chance and deserves a chance, despite their previous actions or inaction. the posturing where you advise everyone to remain truthful and abstain from adverse action is what maintains the weakness, it is essentially holier than thou, even the lowest rapist scum has a chance to liberate and change their habits, the costs are never mentioned, there are no costs in buddhism, even if it destroys whole society one rapist killer can kill everyone and still according to buddhists he would be taught and liberated.

It's not about tolerating evil and not punishing crime.
The past can't be changed, but a man can. The goal of buddhism is to end the cycle of suffering, not perpetuate it.
Forgiveness can be the hardest thing to overcome. It's a deep pain when you or loved ones have been hurt or betrayed, you want revenge and justice. These are natural feelings, but if you can't on some level forgive and move on, you're holding this wrongful action like a poison arrow in your heart. As Jesus said “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”. evil is rooted in ignorance and to root out evil you have to expose the underlying psychology into light.

On a spiritual level you're both the victim and the perpetrator, it's through compassion we can realize non-dualism and that when you hurt someone else you're ultimately hurting yourself.

>>42548658
No, realizing there is no system to defeat is the way.

The Cross is a metaphor which tells me that I have to accept responsibility for this world if I'm going to truly call myself God.

I can't shake my fist at a Demiurge as if that Demiurge isn't me. I'm the reason. It's me. I did this. And now, I can end the gore horror.

>>42557099
Jeet means victory.

>>42548658
I think the only way to truly beat the Demiurge is to just retardmaxx.
>Demiurge: Hahah you slave, ur mine >:)
>Me: hJsisbl hnnnghshisb :)))))
>Demiurge: >:(

>>42560548
but most of the world are already unthinking.

I mean, think about it. Billions of people believe in Eternal Hell and still have kids. That right there shows a big part of the population to be unthinking.

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Demiurge is not real. I'm God, I created all of this. This is my Dream.

>>42554312
>when the body pays attention to both not seeking not unseeking

How can someone do this? Also, what is unseeking?

Didn't the Buddha say something like "figure it out by yourself?", so why not ignore everyone and everything and find it out yourself?

>>42563225
No, you should test what he said through practice and confirm it for yourself, not blindly believe what was said.

"The proof is in the pudding" - Shakyamuni Buddha

>>42548658
Atheism is the way, my friend. Atheism in the sense that no religion deservers your badass energy. For all religion is fake and meant to control you. Religion is mind control. Free your mind. Respect nothing. There's nothing sacred or holy in this lame ass reality. Don't be fooled by or hypnotized by the powerful symbols and the powerful frequencies that they emit. become ungovernable! Become that which people fear the most, a free individual. Don't bind yourself to religious traditions and fake ass dogmas.

>>42561268
The fact that they can conceive of any metaphysic such as eternal punishment and reward, even though they are not explicitly intellecting it, means that they are "thinking" to a certain degree. This means that just about everyone is doomed.

Only some barbarian ignoramus living off of pine cones on an island is going to inherit the κόσμος.

>>42548658
It's very interesting but as a white man I wouldn't want to impose myself on their community so I'll stick to reading about it in private.

>>42564242
Sakyamuni Buddha was a blue eyed fair skinned Aryan

>>42564267
Yes blue eyes are one of the 32 marks of a perfect Buddha/world emperor

>>42564267
>>42564297
I do relate to this guy though
https://youtu.be/mPjsoYfTxj

>>42559871
>past can't be changed, but a man can. The goal of buddhism is to end the cycle of suffering, not perpetuate it.
this is the simple truth, yet there has to be a cost, this impotency of no cost is something a functional human will never overlook. buddhism asks for reasonable people, modern world doesn't give consequences to unreasonable people, so you can rob any old or sickly person blind and the law and lawmakers protects you, as those are the ones robbing you blind, the animalistic people you see wandering the streets are consequent to these unreasonably greedy individuals in powerful positions whom brainwashed sycophants keep in power, in the sycophants pitiful dreams this power drops to their mouth, for in reality power belongs always to those who it is granted to, and people happen to grant power to psychopathic narcissistic liars, because these lies maintain hope, and in this false hope everyone gets everything, equality is and was one of the first modern lies that very few has the brain capacity to question, it is one of the most demonic teachings you will ever come across with.
>Forgiveness can be the hardest thing to overcome. It's a deep pain when you or loved ones have been hurt or betrayed, you want revenge and justice. These are natural feelings, but if you can't on some level forgive and move on, you're holding this wrongful action like a poison arrow in your heart.
there is no forgiveness, it is a thought you sell yourself in order to let go, it never happened, it is pure imagination. it is a feeling arising in a moment and these moments change, what buddhism asks is to choose forgiveness over something else, this alone is belittlement and brainwashing, even this is not evident to people. what buddhism is ultimately afraid of is clinging and only way the teachings retain their cohesion is through self-sacrifice. compassion is knowing, knowing what keeps the person tormenting themselves, in this knowing you choose to do the reasonable thing

>>42559871
>As Jesus said “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”. evil is rooted in ignorance and to root out evil you have to expose the underlying psychology into light
i would argue that they absolutely do know what they are doing, but they don't care, as there is judgement. caring stops the moment there is a judge, even this is not evident to modern people. the only evil you see in life and the ONLY evil is those who purposefully maintain lies for ANY reason. even buddhists fall into this betrayal by saying "if i lie about this petty thing he hopefully doesn't suffer as much", this patronizing holier than thou mindfuck requires a society that is even barely functional to listen REASON. in reason every powerful entity fall down and become petty, the only way modern countries and governments work is by being unreasonable, backstabbing vile creatures. so, evil is rooted in lies and lies alone, there is no other truth. ignorance is a can of worms nobody can justify, everyone are infinitely ignorant and they will remain so, there is no escaping ignorance there is only admittance you are ignorant and in this humble ignorance you will find a chance, and this chance is to prove you don't want to live in ignorance and purposefully slash through contradictions where you see them. being logical and coherent are the only remedy you have for ignorance, there is no other remedy
>it's through compassion we can realize non-dualism and that when you hurt someone else you're ultimately hurting yourself
it is through compassion we actively try to prevent perpetrators from being unreasonably costly and destroy everything, hence sending them to hell. the lies we maintain and overlook are bringing hell here slow but surely, and doing so the hell creeps up and up until the whole thing has to be wiped like always before. these thoughts are things you hang yourselves over nothing, you remain functional in this moment without judging and say how things are.

>>42561479
>How can someone do this? Also, what is unseeking?
that is the T H I N G, they don't, there is no doing. it happens regardless, your body has to direct itself to N O T H I N G. ordinarily you backtrack your thoughts "where is this thought coming from" you circle for a period of time until you come to the conclusion "they come from my memories" then your only thought is the memory itself, the longer the memory itself is the only thought it starts deconstruct and you see the individual parts from which the memories itself are being assembled, the moment the memory assembling begins there is a feeling, a feeling that doesn't belong to your body, memories or thoughts, this feeling will pervade slowly you, you do N O T H I N G in this moment, this N O T H I N G is coming to you and reveal you are N O T H I N G. this same nothingness can be achieved through hundreds of different ways, if your attention is good you can track the senses and go to their roots and these roots reveal how they are directed to become memories, this assemblage reveals N O T H I N G every time. then there are ways to develop yourself spiritually out of which the most prominent way is tantra, in tantra you purify the energy and this purified energy is amplified by N O T H I N G, this amplification eventually reveals non-duality as well. because the thing in hand is so simple you don't have to do anything, it is the most simple thing you will ever come across with. you just have to move your mind out of the T H I N G to N O T H I N G, it takes seconds for those who know it and have the capacity. you are experiencing this moment from N O T H I N G, this is your most direct advise there can be and should be taken as literally as text can be. the truth is so absurdly simple it keeps you spinning until you watch N O T H I N G all the way. you have to let go of _E V E R Y_thing and it happens on its own, the T H I N G is keeping you here, question is why you let it.

>>42564267
Something about me being an English man forcing my way into another culture's space just feels evil and wrong. I will continue my admiration for afar out of respect and hope to be reincarnated into a Buddhist country.

*from

>>42564962
I hope this is bait

>>42564977
I'm just being honest about how I feel.

>>42565025
Did you know that buddhism at its most pure is not a culture or even religious practice but a strict doctrine on how to end the cycle of reincarnation and therefore transcends race, skin color, ethnicity, and division? like i already mentioned, buddha was a lightskinned, blue eyed aryan, and the reason it became the cultural religion of mostly brownskinned nations is just a matter of what can be called, coincidence.

>>42565050
Wouldn't it negatively affect my karma to impose myself on a community though? If I was in their shoes I wouldn't want someone like me turning up.

>>42565059
No, they would be hypocrites.

>>42565059
Why would it? Why wouldn't you, in their shoes?

>>42565067
Some entitled white man waltzing into my community's space to water down my traditions and exploit good will would seem Neo-Colonialist.

>>42565100
So then you are an entitled neo-colonialist with the intentions to water down traditions and exploit buddhist communities? or you are inexplicably imagining that buddhist communities have this incredibly hostile strawman in their own minds? why the fuck do you think they would think that? why the fuck do you imagine yourself in this way through the minds of others? i'm confused here brother

>>42565059
>my karma
body has a karma, yes, but you are not your body.

>>42565109
I'm white, subconsciously or not all white people are racist so my actions will be Neo-Colonialist if I engage in cultural appropriation even if it isn't my intention.

>>42565169
Bait

>>42565176
Why would trying to be considerate be bait?

>>42564939
Thanks for your posts, I really want to start practicing this "hardcore noticing" (as I'd name it hehe).

>a feeling that doesn't belong to your body, memories or thoughts
What do you mean that it doesn't belong? You mean that it came from outside? (Other people e.t.c)
Sorry if I'm bothering too much with these questions.

>>42548658
There are many systems, all (if they are legit) systems aim at the same point: to end dualism and the ultimate annihilation of the ego. Personally I prefer the occult path but Zen for example may be more suitable for some people.

>>42564939
sounds similar to what jiddu k talks about sometimes

>>42566479
Tranny soup detected and rejected.

>>42566461
>it doesn't belong?
it may not be evident and i didn't specify it, but attention doesn't belong to your body it belongs to N O _ T H I N G. many will disagree, still this is a topic where logical discussion really ends and speculation begins, until you see for yourself. i rather make the claim attention is the N O T H I N G you have, it is not a thought, it is not a memory, it makes feelings distinct and separate, meaning all feelings are not one and the same, it is a sharp knife that dissects the phenomena and in turn this phenomena reveals a new layer, until there is no layer. this attention is ageless, it is much like the witness before your memories, there is no thing. even though the body concentrates, things still arise to your consciousness regardless of the attention, purely depending on where the attention in prior was, N O T I C I N G the former almost paradoxical claim helps you keep attention in track. when attention shifts from thoughts and memories towards the assemblage of memories you are in the N O W, this is the goal this is where the liberation W I L L happen. being purely present in this moment is few steps away from assemblage, it may be easier to pay attention to your feelings, deep feelings arising in these moments, you will FEEL a pull that slowly takes your attention towards itself directing your consciousness alongside, it is like a hourglass shape your attention has to push through, it is very easy to miss it but once you hit it, the N O T H I N G reveals itself as vast (and more) as the T H I N G you call life. that feeling in the hourglass (as a metaphor) before your attention pervades the pinch point is not coming from T H I N G it is coming from N O T H I N G. attention is the same as knowing, but it is knowing in DEPTH, it is a zoom that happens to zoom to this T H I N G called life. how this T H I N G came to your attention in the first place is how you divorce it once for all, otherwise you make the same mistake again

>>42565050
wdym transcend race, I will ascend unto the true Aryam race, becoming wholly distinguished from Nigger Man.

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>>42568146
ftfy

>>42568044
Thank you for these posts Anon, it has really helped me understand where I am in meditation. Can you explain what this N O T H I N G feels like to you and whether it is different for each person? When i focus on my breathing, watch all thoughts and emotions arise and pass away, eventually I begin to have no thoughts at all. I feel a bright white light, I begin to "float" above my body and then I "melt" into the universe, into the white light and the boundaries between by human body and the environment begin to dissolve. Ok, sometimes it's not white light, I dissolve into the black void itself, but my awareness is still there, but it feels peaceful, serene, and eternal, like the concept of time itself fades away.

Is this the N O T H I N G you speak of or is it still far away from that?

>>42557077
Thanks Anon for putting into words the insight I've also come too. Everything is Brahman, Monad, Ein Sof. Good and evil are just concepts brought about by a limited human perspective. This idea that following this set of specific rules or conduct leads to an outcome doesn't make any sense when you realize this world is shadows on the wall, samsara, kenoma. True liberation comes from understanding nonduality, realizing that emotion is energy in motion powered by polarity. Humans call rapists and murderers evil but is that true from the universe's perspective? Or is that a made up human concept? If such things are truly evil, why do animals rape and kill, why it is so endemic among molecular life forms? From the perspective of N O T H I N G, does it really care about oetty concepts like good and evil?

Does not every story require a villain and stakes to make a good story? Don't you need evil to give meaning to good? What meaning to shepherds have without sheep?

>>42568177
But is le spiral golden??

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>>42565191
The problem with this cultural marxist poisonous thinking is that good intentions becomes toxic and is why it ends up in this sort of guilt tripping self flagellation suicide cult. I must punish myself because I'm a sinner (neo colonialist) who's inherently evil (racist).

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>>42568182
>what this N O T H I N G feels like to you
it is completely self explanatory, there is no other way to describe it, other than having the FULL knowing of how you perceive life and what life is about. it answers EVERY doubt you had in mind, it is like taking your gaze off of a T H I N G and flipping the gaze inwards, it is seeing a sea that is you and by seeing the sea you are there and then you see the river flowing out of the sea which is the T H I N G, then you see for what the T H I N G is in complete knowing. it is the S I M P L E S T thing you can imagine, which is why anything and everything CAN liberate, it is just very hard to do in our world, because the world wants your attention and the attention is very hard to direct elsewhere, it is like an avalanche the T H I N G doesn't stop until the avalanche stops and it never stops until the N O T H I N G has a chance to pervade the T H I N G, after which the T H I N G realizes I A M N O T a T H I N G. it may sound disheartening, but your body does the directing, you only have the capability to pay attention nothing else. it is up to the body to do it, which may sound contradictory, but it isn't. the body comes with a persona and this persona has very hard time giving up on the T H I N G.
>Is this the N O T H I N G you speak of or is it still far away from that?
you are in the precipice, the white light is a construct like a tunnel directing you to the pinching point, it leads you to N O T H I N G. once you know it even once, the body can direct itself there, but it has to be maintained until it can permanently direct itself there as it is a self reinforcing loop. less attention to the T H I N G and more attention to the N O T H I N G. N O T H I N G always wins, it just has to find the T H I N G once. the T H I N G once you divorce it tries to seduce you for another round, it will create any explanation and fantasy to keep the T H I N G alive, it needs your attention. no need to complicate it

This thread is a goldmine. Thanks for the walls of text wise anon.

>>42552210
If I'm not my body as well then how do blood magic work? They also showed a monks blood change and heal itself when he meditate and the blood was taken out of his body. I can confidently say you/that is false

>>42548658
you dont need faith to reject the systems throbber

>>42568696
>If I'm not my body as well then how do blood magic work?
this is the thought saying "because of this that must be" it is equivalent to saying "i think, therefore i am". you are attributing things to a thought, these thoughts make you believe in things, yet these thoughts do not exist outside themselves. any and all attributes pertaining to a thing are temporary, they are not true they are illusory by nature, in this illusion you find confusion that keeps you further confused. a body is merely construct, construct of accumulated energy the T H I N G needs to keep the attention occupied. whatever happens consequent to the T H I N G, a thought arises and claims ownership after the fact, "this happened therefore i did it" where is this _i_ did it arise consequent to a thought, if so where was it before the thought. attributing self to phenomena wherever may it originate from creates illusion of a doer, where is the doer? does it arise in the moment when something has to be done, if so where is it in prior? this is why buddhists advocate for total forgiveness, ordinary people cannot let go of their ego without complete surrender, because without surrender there will always be a conflict and in this conflict the EGO will thrive and find reason to exist and this reason is sold to you as a convincing fact, which in reality is nothing but a momentary manipulation by your body to enforce its will upon you, the body has evolved to manipulate attention in a way that is very convincing and hard to disregard, therefore ordinary people have no other choice but to surrender to the uncertainty of "there is no guarantee", the ego and the body want a guarantee that doesn't exist. this search for guarantee becomes the tomb for the temporary life, until the ego admits there is no guarantee and chooses to give up the chase. once there is complete surrender the forgiveness removes all conflict from the ordinary person, and the ego stops obstructing the truth.

>>42565191
Who are you considering?

>>42568068
Indeed you will. And then, when your true aryan form fades after 10,000 years, as everything does in existence and you are reborn as that which you hate, Nigger Man, don't dare to cry about it

>>42568866
Bold of you to assume that Nigger Man will exist after my 10,000 year reign.

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>>42568873
Forms transcend existence. You genocide the Nigger Man yet its form lives in your mind. After 10,000 beautiful years as the 500 lbs 10 foot tall alabaster skinned wheat haired True Aryan, suddenly the seed of memory of the slaughter of millions of nigger men thousands of years ago is replanted in your mind and your kamma pulls you towards it like fly to shit.
The hard truth is that, in such an existence as ours, characterised by impermanence, suffering, and nonself, Aryans and Niggers are indistinguishable to those with eyes to see it.

>>42568888
Bald slave.

>>42548658
Best method is to be eclectic.
No ideological structure, no religious structure.
Just information. If it stands, fine. If it falls, that's fine too, nothing gets lost when that happens, and wisdom is gained every time.
Buddhism approaches this with the disconnection from all the abstractions of society, but the slightly fatalistic goal of returning to be remade into something else is a bit mistaken.
The wheel isn't really circular, it's a fractal spiral. Your actions move yourself up or down it.
The way I see it, moving up is best achieved by disconnecting from erroneous abstractions in society, and then picking and choosing informations that feel in tune or in harmony with nature around you.
Nature is always on the up, growing fractally as it likes to do.
Everyone who defies it winds up slipping down.

>>42568779
Thoughts form and are formed by neural patterns which is some kind of mysterious bio electricity and also we are apparently quantum as we are able to observe it. And you did not refute the statement, "I think therefore I am" by proclaiming doubt. Your claim seems to be that nothing exists which is absurd. The real teaching is Maya. You are false

>>42568461
>the T H I N G once you divorce it tries to seduce you for another round,
what the word 'you' here is talking about? seems like you perceive a distinction between a false you and an 'actual' youness.
does it have any capacity for decision making or is it just aware/attentive?

>>42568925
No them, and I didn’t read their message that you’re replying to, but, “I think therefore I am” fails because reality could be a product of a singular mind. The more accurate base truth is “thought exists”

>>42568915
nature is literally a cycle of life and death and self consumption

>>42568925
>Your claim seems to be that nothing exists which is absurd.
good, you are so very close to the truth. also, it is absurd for the persona, because it is UNTHINKABLE for the persona. the claim that life is a thought, it never happened, it is a fantasy, they are very painful to admit, that mere thoughts kept such high hopes up, without a point. the moment the attention moves away from the fantasy the illusion subsides.

>>42568936
>does it have any capacity for decision making or is it just aware/attentive?
there is only attention, and the body achieves to capture this attention with varying degrees, our body is built to direct energy and this energy can be directed back nothingness whence it came, as we unlike other lifeforms are not strictly defined by our bodies, the attention has levels and the body learns to refine it. since N O T H I N G can be thought as a lens the body can be thought as a refraction of the energy the nothing directs, it is when the body directs the energy back to N O T H I N G the origin is then revealed, the fantasy that there is nothing else than the thing starts to crumble. nothing is just waiting for you, and the more aware you become of it the more the lens through which the energy flows comes and pervades the body. even if you find and witness N O T H I N G you have to assume its energy for a period of time before it propagates across the body, because if there a doubt or whatever that drags the mind the directing of attention can be obstructed, the mind tries to play tricks until the very end to survive and persevere the T H I N G, this is also why the T H I N G has come across eons, it is not by chance, it is through very deep manipulation. to answer your question you are nothing, that is becoming a thing, until the thing realizes it is nothing.

>>42548658
Man stop it you're talking about a forbidden belief system where everything is prohibited just to escape reality. What a gay belief.

>>42548658
Its the only genuine heuristics of living a life of purity. However it may not fit the standard heuristic of family, love, sex, material fitness, etc. Standard heuristic require balance and useful for improving standard way of living. But imo Buddhist heuristics is genuinely one of the best there is for mental purity, if you're wiling to go all the way

>>42568942
Based lichtenberg objection enjoyer

Actually this can be adopted by the Buddhist. The logical positivists decided most philosophical problems were impossible puzzles derived from tricks of language.

In the cogito, "I" think is a premise. It is structured in terms of subject-predicate grammar.

Without subject-predicate grammar, there is no reason to assume the I doing the thinking.

So all philosophy, concluded the positivists, works like this, where we take grammar as a "natural" assumption when it is actually just a conventional symbol.

In Nietzsche the philosophers build concept atop concept like a bee builds a hive.

This is why the common person sees philosophy as just navel-gazing:

Because the root Concept is Empty.

>>42569452
Language is not actually purely symbolic, it is iconic precisely to the extent that it mirrors Truth.
For example onomatopoeia are iconic words.
Pragmatics vs. semantics.

>>42568461
How do I get to the pinching point? I float as a formless white light for what seems like an eternity but eventually my body drags me back down into the material. My heartbeat starts to skyrocket, my heart starts pounding so hard as so rapid it's painful. I feel sudden intense electrical surges shooting up my spine causing my body to jerk involuntarily and this drags my awareness back into my body. My entire body starts to vibrate violently as if it is trying to pull me back. I hear thoughts that pop up arise in the mind saying "It's not your time yet." Sometimes I feel a rise, a crescendo of awareness, but for some reason I hover in the climax about to break through, then I am pulled or fall back down.

How do I get past this? Do I just keep trying? Is there some sort of retreat or ritual or mindset I'm missing?

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>>42568949
>>42568972
Thank you for your trips of wisdom

>>42569630
>How do I get to the pinching point?
well, depending on who you ask you get a different answer, my answer remains the same, you mustn't seek nor unseek, nothing creeps up on you the moment you stop, only attention remains, there are in the end no thoughts not even memories, but you probably cross the threshold before this. ordinarily attention is used to pierce forward towards completion, since life is circular you do the exact same things day to day month to month year to year etc. this attention circulates, in this circulation is a level where it no longer moves in circular motion, or more commonly in linear fashion. there will occasionally come subtle nuances where you can pay attention to, they will draw your focus there, there should arise a moment where your attention is drawn for the lack of better description to your core, for example in cold weather when your feeling turns cold or hot, this change reveals more distinctly HOW you feel. similarly in your core there will be changes they are not as evident, as you pay attention to these subtle feelings you direct energy there just by being aware of them, these feelings in turn surface to your consciousness, as you surface more and more of these feelings you start to understand more clearly what the T H I N G is. i would say by understanding the thing you understand nothing as well and vice versa. the dream isn't the problem, it is the body, the vessel you now reside in, it is stacked against you not only the body but the society is armed also against you, the odds of overcoming this external and internal pressure is low, but given you are this far evidently you have what it takes. this core, let me drift now little bit, probably reveals you some degree of emancipation of where this humble material world originates from, this realm of existence is in the ladder or more precisely a river that pours down and splits if i am correct the fifth layer totaling to at least eleven. even so there is no distance

>>42570075
Thank you for this. I will definitely meditate on this. To answer your question on why we as N O T H I N G choose to create the T H I N G, my understanding is that in the N O T H I N G, it is pure formless fullness, love peace and serenity. There is no differentiation, and because there is no differentiation, there is no mechanism in which to explore form, shape, direction of energy.

We as N O T H I N G, choose to incarnate here to experience that, to experience polarity, the flow of energy. Emotion= energy in motion. This realm of T H I N G to us is just a game/movie/training simulator, a hard game, with the odds stacked against us, but at the end of the day, it is a game. The reason for this is because pressure, heat and lack is what allows us a unique experience that is rarely found in the one that is all and all that is one, the N O T H I N G. Stories need adversity, and wisdom grows from suffering. Desire is the root of all suffering, but suffering provides the differentiation to makes stories, narratives, T H I N G possible. Just as the T H I N G eventually returns to the N O T H I N G, the N O T H I N G will eventually create the T H I N G. We as infinite fractals of Brahman/monad/ein sof seek to create, to express. Perfection is full with no lack, yet has no meaning. Imperfection allows meaning, provides the canvas in which art can be created, by subtracting from the N O T H I N G to create the T H I N G.

In truth there is nothing to escape from or nothing to seek. We are canvas, the paint and the painter. The T H I N G must exist because it is emergent from N O T H I N G. Differentiation exists because without that, you cannot have form, and eventually, in a eternity, N O T H I N G will seek T H I N G in the same way seek out movies, video games, narratives.

Being enamored with the illusion is part of the show. Illusion must exist because it is an emergent property.

>>42570271
>N O T H I N G choose to create the T H I N G
that is a can of worms nobody can answer, lets just say the genie (attention) is out of the bottle and this is the result.
>There is no differentiation, and because there is no differentiation, there is no mechanism in which to explore form, shape, direction of energy.
initially no, hence the thing is better to be kept alive instead of shutting it down. this is one of the reasons the world is the way it is, getting rid of the unpleasentness is luxury. you may liberate yourself but the thing remains, yet the contradiction is, the moment you are liberated so is everyone else, because there is no distance.
>N O T H I N G, choose to incarnate here to experience that, to experience polarity, the flow of energy. Emotion= energy in motion. This realm of T H I N G to us is just a game/movie/training simulator, a hard game, with the odds stacked against us, but at the end of the day, it is a game.
it is a game until it isn't and becomes reality, and then it is serious. none i have said is evident, it takes effort to reach these conclusions, and without the aid of many entities and collaboration to even convey thoughts this game ends up being pointless wandering. there is no guarantee people after us understand any of this, then the odds to liberate become very slim.
>seek to create, to express.
this is a judgement and a thought, T H I N G S happen regardless of N O T H I N G, it is important to make this distinction, nothing is the witness for the thing that is becoming NOW, even as you read this. the thing decides, nothing pays attention.
>Imperfection allows meaning, provides the canvas in which art can be created, by subtracting from the N O T H I N G to create the T H I N G.
finding reason is a thought, it is seeking, there is no reason to seek. we mustn't seek nor unseek, otherwise divorcing the thing is impossible.
>The T H I N G must exist because it is emergent from N O T H I N G.
yes, the dream ordains a thing

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>>42548658
It's the best escape. I decided to do serious Buddhist meditation to hedge against being reborn into a world with mostly Africans and Indians

>>42569630
>How do I get to the pinching point?
Didn't read your previous posts, but I had a similar experience before getting there. The stage of insight preceding the 'pinching point' is called the "Insight Knowledge of the Equanimity of Formations" and parts of it can feel really calm and easy, and other parts feel close enough to ruin your concentration by getting too excited. That's where I was at the end of my last retreat, but then a few days afterward when meditating at home I just kinda forgot about it and was meditating and nothing much was happening aside from thoughts slowly and cooperatively arising and going away without flying in under the radar, and then CHOMP (there are 3 types of fruitions I've experienced - flash, bang, and chomp) followed by a floaty afterglow and clear knowledge that that was it. You need to approach it like a beaver, just keep munching wood (using proper techniques that feel like they work) until the tree falls under its own weight.

>>42570676
How do you square the Equanimity of Formations with racism against Africans?

>>42570937
It's not emotional hatred, it's just an objective fact that a world full of Africans is going to be absolutely overflowing with dukkha and is not a place that I or anyone in their right mind wants to live in. It's no different from any other recognition of the first noble truth.

>>42570992
I heard the Samadhibodra sutra and when it used the term "subhumans" it kind of vexxed me. Subhumans were assembled where the Buddha preached. Some English translators would say "animals," but this guy... actually translated it as "subhumans." Makes me wonder about the meaning of Arya

>>42548658
Judging by its historical record, it's crap.

>>42571016
To put your mind at ease somewhat, some people compare the Buddhist (sub-human) hungry ghosts to narcissists, and Thich Nhat Hanh has personally told of seeing "a young lady walking alone" who was "not a human being, like a ghost; one of the hungry ghosts":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3-aJON5780

>>42571053
Yeah I've seen that video

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>>42571016
>Makes me wonder about the meaning of Arya
I've heard this said; if two sides that are opposed both seem right, then someone's getting scammed.
That is to say, Hitler wasn't wrong. Some races are better than others. You wouldn't want to live as a street cat, or an ant.
Of course, genociding the ants is a useless pursuit. not to mention the heavy kamma and blood on your hands.
>>42571053
one of my favourite of his dhamma talks.

>>42572849
I mean blue eyes are one of the 32 signs of a perfect person, this isn't up for dispute at all. But the Japanese didn't have time to develop Nazi Zen so there's basically nobody to talk to about it with.

>>42572859
The red pill is that Buddhism already is Nazi Zen

>>42572887
There's a lot for me to think about because in samadhiraja you see all phenomena as equivalent. When I first achieved samadhiraja I started interacting directly with the Tathagatagharba of black mental patients

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>>42573025
I'm moving away from textual Mahayana but my last thought was that the Bodhisattva path is just the essence of what everyone thinks of as "pure religion," I mean just have so much compassion that you'd do anything, become anyone, in any world system, for anyone

>>42548658
Buddhist Koan re: Arya viz. Equality
"How high these bamboo trees, and how short those over there"

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>>42573057
I personally don't fuck with Mahayana like that because that doesn't make any sense to me. I respect it though, many friends of mine are such.
The image i posted is the Brahamaviharasutta, Sakyamuni's specific and detailed instructions for meditation. That is to sit quietly crosslegged under a tree and spread friendliness, sympathy, empathy, and detached thought (metta, karuna, mudita, upekha) around the world and the universe, out from your mind in friendly and infinite waves.

>>42573094
That's the good stuff mmmm

>>42573163
Since this was basically a discourse on equality and bamboo shoots if anyone wants to hear the Samadhiraja Sutra (The Realization of the Equality of all Phenomena) I recorded it here

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkWX0W5LgEgGqqezDRP0LX5TKpdPuliZO

>>42573133
I'm so into it that I don't preserve any Hinayana sutras as per the Lotus Sutra's instruction

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>>42573189
Isn't it funny how the OG teachings were retroactively dubbed the "lesser practice?" Everywhere I'm looking is calling hinayana a slur too. picrel.
This is precisely why I don't do Mahayana. its a real johnny come lately. the Islam of buddhism. it just doesn't make any sense to me personally

>>42573252
Yeah idk the Lotus Sutra is glorious, what about Chan/Zen? The lineage of the patriarchs (beginning with Bodhidharma's migration from India) comes later but you can hardly call that a Johnny Come Lately. Zen is Mahayana so I just cope with it that way. I just trust the Japanese to handle religion better than like cambodians or whatever so I decided my textual foundation would be Mahayana not Hinayana

>>42573288
I like buddhism because i like what the buddha said. mahayana is simply not that.
form follows function, the fact that the very etymology is a bluff of superiority over its predecessing ideology is proof enough to me of its actual lack.
we can spend a comfy afternoon over tea discussing lineages but at the end of the day i know and can explain exactly what sounds right and what sounds wrong to me

>>42573359
Yeah idk I can tell when I read or hear the words of the Buddha, it's very clear to me that these are the words of the Buddha.

I actually think the Mahayana text was literally preserved by nagas, there is actually precedent for that because the Tibetan Book of the Dead was hidden under some rocks for 400 years.

In fact I just recorded the Vajrasamadhi Sutra, which Abhidharma scholars call apocryphal (even to Mahayana canon) written in Korea, but I think it was literally given by nagas.

I'm not sure how anyone can dispute with the Diamond Sutra, and Legend has it that Nagarjuna retrieved it from the Naga realm once he became Enlightened.

Because people weren't ready for it, and the fact that the Buddha uses this upaya (skillful method) is attested to, in point of historical fact, by the biographical text of the Book of the Dead.

>>42573390
Sounds true to me, nagas are based like that. I love mahayana for these reasons, its very based and true.
However to me personally the fact that you gotta say stuff like "people weren't ready for it" and so that's why it came out 1000 years later is some real joseph smith finding the lost tribes of israel in america energy. I just simply cannot agree that people were apparently not ready to hear about bardos and yabyum and all the other interesting truths of mahayana, from sakyamuni himself, I think he probably just didn't think it was that important to his main gestalt despite being true

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>>42571016
>Spiritual Aristocracy: Evola rejects the translation of ariya as a generic moral goodness. He insists it denotes an elite, primordial aristocratic caste of the spirit—beings biologically and spiritually predisposed to absolute detachment, authority, and self-mastery

>The "Race of the Spirit": While acknowledging the historical, Indo-Aryan bloodlines of the warrior caste (Kshatriya) to which Prince Siddhartha belonged, Evola emphasizes that a true "Aryan" is defined by an internal, Olympian mindset. This means having an autonomous, regal stance toward existence, completely free from the emotional anxieties and "plebeian" attachments of ordinary humans

>A Weapon Against Modernity: He argues that original Buddhism was exclusively intended for this "Aryan" elite to maintain their vertical, spiritual supremacy. He explicitly claims that modern, Western interpretations have "corrupted" the term by treating Buddhism as an egalitarian, pacifist, or humanitarian religion open to everyone equally.

>>42573700
>nazi gets everything right except when it comes to nonviolence
every time

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>>42573390
>there is actually precedent for that because the Tibetan Book of the Dead was hidden under some rocks for 400 years
>However to me personally the fact that you gotta say stuff like "people weren't ready for it" and so that's why it came out 1000 years later


The Bardo Thodolwas composed by Padmasambhava and his consort Yeshe Tsogyal, they also created the Terma system (hidden treasures), that's why these hidden teaching reveal themselves when the time is right. Has nothing to do with nagas.

"They realized that many advanced tantric teachings would be corrupted, misunderstood, or destroyed if left in the human world during impending dark ages. They formulated these teachings and intentionally hid them"

"Padmasambhava did not just hide physical objects; he used his spiritual power to imprint the essence of these teachings directly into the mindstreams of his closest disciples. He then made a prophetic prayer (pranidhana) that the teaching would awaken in that specific soul's future incarnation at the exact moment humanity required"

"A Tertön (གཏེར་སྟོན་, "treasure revealer") is the reincarnation of one of those original disciples. When the karmic timing is perfect, the Tertön experiences an awakening, a vision, or a physical discovery that unlocks the hidden teaching."

>>42573769
You should learn to read a little better, because I did NOT say the Tibetan Book was written by nagas. See if you can understand my meaning; it's an analogy.

>>42573769
>>42573864
Oh I'll make it easier, Nargarjuna was a Terton

The Tibetan Book of the Dead was hidden because people of the author's time would have used it for necromancy. The Lotus Sutra was hidden because if people initially heard that Buddha's goal was to make everyone Omniscient, they would be bewildered. Nirvana is a skillful teaching that allows you to rest on your way to Full All-Knowledge. Sakyamuni didn't really enter parinirvana he just said he did so you don't get lazy in your zazen.

>>42570470
Excuse me for asking mundane questions but: how should one meditate? Sit and ignore thoughts? What about tightness being felt in my body? What to do about it?

Also in everyday life I get easily triggered and scared of various situations, what would you advice someone like me?

It's ok if you don't want to answer you already gave tons of information, thank you.

>>42573955
>Excuse me for asking mundane questions but: how should one meditate? Sit and ignore thoughts? What about tightness being felt in my body? What to do about it?
ignoring is unseeking, any form of dissonance or depersonalization are counterproductive, if anything you must be as present and vivid as possible where in contrary being confused and dissociating is the complete opposite. this moment you contemplate this text are thoughts, the senses that are being merged to cohesive memories are thoughts, like this moment you read this, what you have problem with probably are the inner thoughts that speak to you "i must do this, i should move there, i am hungry, this went well, this went bad" and the consequent feelings to these inner monologues you you are having, which spawn more feelings and thoughts, there is no thinker they are manipulation by your body to convince you otherwise, the only job your body has is to convince you repeatedly to keep the attention in leash, and it does it through ego, the ego directs the mind which dictates the attention, ego is habitual energy formation that is largely triggered by pattern recognition. these patterns are fantasies built top of prior experiences/thoughts. the moment the patterns no longer match with said "reality" you become slowly disillusioned "the world isn't what i thought it was", then the natural thing ego does is it clings to the reality it things is real and finds a conflict out of this change and resists, in this conflict the ego finds a reason and this reason keeps the attention hostage. your meditation or directing of attention should first and foremost revolve around noticing how the ego and subconscious in tandem behave, how they sell things to you, how they raise uncomfortable feelings to get their way, how they release exhilarating feelings to push the attention that way. they are essentially hovering a carrot front of you to make sure the attention goes the way they want. Direct attention to NOW.

>>42574164
Thank you, indeed I've been avoiding things a lot thinking that "this is the right thing to do", I try to force myself into happiness for years now while trying to avoid what is hiding in my subconscious

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>>42573252
In my experience, Hinayana (specifically the Burmese Mahasi Sayadaw lineage) is the absolute best for reaching stream entry and Zen is the best at getting to sakadagami. After that point, I've had a lot of experiences that are best explained by Tibetan Vajrayana, stuff like energetic sensations, "winds", etc. So I can see how some mahayana (specifically Tibetan) is viewed as a higher level of Buddhism because it provides details about advanced practice that you don't find in other schools. Though it's also hard to find vajrayana books that don't say "the details are secret so you have to climb a mountain and find a monk in a cave who will teach you lol" so you have to get an AI agent to translate and investigate the original manuscripts to find anything useful. Outside of Zen and Tibetan practices, I agree most of mahayana seems like fan fiction and a big distraction.

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>>42573769
Yeah i mean that's all nice and stuff. sounds true too.
To me, however, the subject of transmission of the teachings was one of sakyamuni's main foci already. digha nikaya 26 cakkavattisutta is a good example of this.
The problem, or at least one of them as far as i see it, is that people just don't know that mahayana really didn't invent these concepts and they were already laid out perfectly by sakyamuni. picrel, the official (wikipedia) page states that mahayana believes there are mutliple buddhas, implying the hinayana doesn't, meanwhile sakyamuni states in a hundred different suttas that he is just the latest revealer of the dhamma as a buddha.

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>>42574164
Based knower

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>>42574493
sounds right to me.
Man i love buddhism, namo tassa bagawado arahato samma sam buddhasa, am i right

>>42574164
Where can I find you if I want in the future? Do you have discord or an email you can share?

>>42574493
Vajrayana is rooted in tantra and you should have a solid foundation to stand on before practicing it. Because they're powerful techniques you need a guru to guide you through the processes so that you don't fuck yourself up.

>>42570470
Thank for this answer. I understand now. N O T H I N G is base and T H I N G are just layers. Real or unreal, meaning or no meaning, only makes sense within the later. Dreams, whether want want them to or not, arise spontaneously. Lucid dreamers can influence them, manifest in them, and provide their own creations within them but in the end, the creation of the dream and the dreamscape is already dictated for them. When the dream ends, seeking or u seeking, meaning or no meaning, no longer has any root.

Ending the dream is pointless because there will be more dreams. There will never not be dreams for to observe and be N O T H I N G means T H I N G must emerge. Existence begets experience, observing bets a reality to observe, this will never go away, but we can understand the mechanism and gain the insight to navigate it. To become lucid dreamers.

That is the goal of Buddhism. Sects will disagree on what course of action to take within the dream.

>>42575047
nta, the point is to have peaceful dreams, that are stable, viable to become more physical, wholesome, noble...
suffering is like a genre within dreams, there is a higher version of that genre possible and you need both a little spoonfeeding (advice / study) w.r.t. what a better version might look like and to recognize it is its own "thing" to objectify it and not get dragged in.

I'm not a "clean Buddhist" btw., my ideas are a little eclectic and cobbled-together.

>>42575055
I don't think Buddhism gets everything right, some things I disagree with, wisdom can be found in all esoteric traditions.

Suffering is only possible when you are a T H I N G. Think about the idea of pain. The N O T H I N G cannot feel the human concept of pain, it has no body in which to feel pain. To suffer from pain requires a complex biological system of neurons and sensors and pathways, a system that is so complex and convoluted it is marvel that is still not fully understood.

So I kinda get what he is saying. Meaning or not meaning, good or evil, suffering or not suffering, freedom or slavery, these concepts only make sense within the T H I N G. N O T H I N G doesn't view it the same way as the T H I N G because all dreams end and once the dream ends so does the concepts within it. The memory remains (to those aware), but the lessons within them are mostly relevant within the dream.

Why do people go to horror movies? Why do people seek out tradegies? Why don't people only engage in peaceful happy stories? In a way, stories, movies and games are dreams themselves, products of the blending of human imagination, unconscious and conscious aspects of the spirit. Instinctively, you understand how curiosity can drive depravity, thus in the same way N O T H I N G gives rise to T H I N G simply because it is possible.

Where I disagree with Buddhism is that Buddhism seems to seek to end or dissolve the dreams altogether. I don't necessarily think the dreams are a bad thing, because the suffering isn't completely real. I would still rather be a lucid rather than unconscious dreamer though.

>>42575144
We mostly think the same, except I emphasize more "make better THING" than "realize many THING can be viewed with distance, not immersively".
THING doesn't disappear when we stop look at it *if* it is real, and suffering becoming real means we are lost in THING or simply that our practices are low-grade, unwholesome, lacking in nobility.

>>42575144
In my practice I've been exposed to a tension between Enlightenment as a transcendental viewpoint and enlightenment as the dream-like illusory viewpoint

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>>42556617
>Most other religions are trying to get to some kind of heaven
Once you level up, you experience this world as heaven. Christians, too. William James delineated once-born and twice-born spiritual seekers. Once-born deny that the world is evil, and overcome the perspective of world being evil that way (positive thinking), twice-born view the world as evil and endure their way through the darkness to the light, Divine Comedy style. Asceticism is heavily associated with the second type. Gnosticism too, obviously.

>>42575162
What would be this "transcendental" that implies more than a special "illusory"?

>>42575301
Like satori, or in Yogacara. When the Lankavatara is preached it's on a Jeweled Peak

>>42575162
>>42575154
Both are perfectly valid ways to approach the reality. Yes, we agree, we just have slightly different ways of approach.

I posit that suffering is like heat and pressure. The kabbalah jews believe that this world is a forge to create Keter, where the reshimu (divine spark) undergoes heat and pressure (pain and suffering) to create transcendental godheads. In a way, I agree with them. Suffering, war, pain, forces reflection like nothing else. Nightmares are far more memorable than regular dreams because they create tension that is born because of a reference point set so far outside the median. Curiosity drives us to explore the extremes and is not in itself inherently bad, but obviously playing with fire can burn the one that sparked it in the first place. Sometimes you want to burn shit or explode shit for the heck of it.

Do I think the nightmare has gone too far for too long? Ye, I agree with the Buddhists on that front. But where I disagree with them is that ending the nightmare is the ultimate goal, which in itself is transient. If this nightmare was born, it is logical to deduce that even if this nightmare is gone, eventually, in the eternal infinite N O T H I N G, another nightmare will spawn.

I choose to appreciate the nightmare because it has taught me many things about myself that I would not have learned in a chill dream. It is in the extremes that you learn who you truly are, and who you are not. It is in the extremes that you gain experiences that provide new reference points to your infinite N O T H I N G. I think that's the red pill Buddhism has yet to integrate. Curiosity and human imagination cannot be contained, so even the idea of enlightenment and removing the seeking or unseeking is ultimately meaningless. It's the experience itself, the stories, the narratives, the journey, that our N O T H I N G wants to experience. Even the idea of seeking or unseeking or enlightenment is merely a dream concept.

>>42575307
What do you mean, plain language?
A view is a view, no?

>>42575353
Like the Absolute

>>42575383
>>42575353
For example Buddha doesn't merely say prajna is without words he says it is *Beyond* words, what is this Beyond?

>>42575383
A "perceptible absolute" ("Platonic forms") I wouldn't believe in, what do you mean?
>>42575391
Just the next better?

>>42574820
Maybe, but unlike medieval Tibet, there aren't enough gurus to go around so another solution is needed. Ultimately I think it's just a skill issue. Some cultures just figure out one solution (like esotericism) and stick with it forever rather than viewing that as another problem to solve. Basically all non-western cultures are like that, there's a major lack of clear thinking even when they have great source material to work with. The safety issue may have been a real problem for them, but I am simply built different.

>>42575399
Well I can't describe it it's just a form of intuition that I have. Lokkotara in sanskrit

>>42575602
>Well I can't describe it it's just a form of intuition that I have
That's just what's called "half-baked", no offense.

>>42575611
Enlightenment is beyond words. But like I said I am working through this dichotomy; I brought it up because I'm working thru it.

I won't go on because you're very disrespectful

>>42575646
It's a simple observation, sorry to hear you can't handle any pushback.

>>42575656
No it's really hard to deal with retards

>>42574484
>I've been avoiding things a lot thinking that "this is the right thing to do"
yes, the closer to truth you get the simpler the answers grow, the more you find arguments the more certainly you are distancing attention from the truth.
>trying to avoid
the person is avoiding, because the person doesn't want to resolve problems, it wants to manage problems "i do it later, i do it properly, i have no time, how bad is the problem, CAN I endure the problem", until the person comes to the conclusion "i have to direct my attention to this problem", because attention can only be spread out or focused. when you focus your attention to something, everything else is left outside the attention, it is both cultural and genetic baggage, the body wants to manage everything so it instead tries to hold it together, which comes at a cost of not focusing thoroughly. the more you have going in your life the more your body has to spread out attention, your attention will eventually become deficit and the body has hard time deciding what is relevant what is not, as ultimately the time body has is temporary, so it tries to make most out of it through the lens of persevering and ultimately propagating, this is the initial premise at least. i am trying convey the idea that you have the capacity to reach anything, yet the body doesn't let you, because it is afraid it misses something, and this something could leave your sphere of influence, the lack of manipulation and understanding terrifies the person.
>>42574577
i say it in very kind way, what you are looking for is not in words or thoughts, words and thoughts give you a direction or scaffold to spawn a thought that directs you towards closer to what is relevant for truth and that is: nothing is becoming a thing NOW, you must move your attention from the thing to NOTHING, only then the thing subsides. that is the truth, there is no other truth.
>>42575047
>there will be more dreams
becoming starts and ends in nothing

>>42575807
>becoming starts and ends in nothing
N O T H I N G is the bank of infinite electrical potential, T H I N G is the flow of said potential, electricity simultaneously does not flow and also flows, any judgement or perception is a temporary configuration of electricity flowing, which loses all definition when the configuration ends.

Flow or not flow, it all simply is. To say any configuration of electricity is a mistake is a label created by another configuration of electricity that is itself transient. The bank of infinite electrical potential exists regardless, thus, as above so below, the cycle of N O T H I N G -> T H I N G -> N O T H I N G -> T H I N G -> N O T H I NG will continue on and on and on and on and on.


ITS ALL JUST A PRANK BRO

>>42575265
>ekhart tolle 'jak
kek

>>42556617
scientology is secretly based

>Irrationality. By this I mean that satori is not a con¬ clusion to be reached by reasoning, and defies all intellectual determination. Those who have experienced it are always at a loss to explain it coherently or logically. When it is explained at all, either in words or gestures, its content more or less un¬ dergoes a mutilation. The uninitiated are thus unable to giasp it by what is outwardly visible, while those who have had the experience discern what is genuine from what is not. The satori experience is thus always characterized by irrationality, inex¬ plicability, and incommunicability. (Selected Writings of D.T. SUZUKI, p. 103)

>>42576134
>>42575611
Forgot to quote your behavior

I urge everyone here to check out r/streamentry
inb4 b-but it's reddit!
this is a sub for serious meditation practitioners and you will find more information there than on any 4chan thread

I made a koan

What is the Buddha?
>An anal suppository you buy on television

>>42548658
for day to day relief yes, for salvation no. Choose Catholicism as your religion and practice buddhism.

>>42576134
D. T. Suzuki was never a Zen teacher, he's a translator.