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why ded thread anon?
Also not sure if related, whats up with the Catholic transformation?

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Around the minute 20:00 Father Lazarus mentioned the following:

And finally, the temptation is to be more sophisticated. You get people who want to, who think they know right for others. They think they can, they can tell what is right and wrong, not just for themselves, but for others. And this reduces so much misery. Parents, for example, will not listen to their children. No. I know it's better. I'm older than you. I know what you need. Husbands and wives. Men now have traditionally had the power to say no. In Egypt they still have the power. A wife can't travel without her husband's permission. But in the West, of course, feminism has made gains. So women are much more almost equal to men. So there are areas in which Satan has pushed against psychological self. And he's made some victories and some defeats. But people still try to push themselves forward and to make either themselves important or to determine what is right and wrong. So it's like a pyramid. And you know your basic instincts at the bottom. And then you build up to self-actualization. And you build up to spiritual perfection.

Okay now. I'm a really stupid individual but my question here is, is father Lazarus condemning how husbands treat their wives in Egypt by not allowing them to travel alone? Because he explains that in Egypt husbands have the power of choice but in the West feminism has taken over, is it a critique against both of them or is one favoured in his point of view over the other?

>>42655233
I forgot to link the video kek

https://youtu.be/OgkBt6bznek?is=Bbch5Xd8Ck6wZiBX

>>42655240
>You get people who want to, who think they know right for others. They think they can, they can tell what is right and wrong, not just for themselves, but for others.

I think he's pretty clear about it.

>>42657139
From my understanding he is saying both are wrong, right? Because their husbands are imposing their will onto their wives and feminism, well, is imposing their authority over their husbands so by definition both are wrong

I hate myself desu
I'm literally so insufferable

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>>42657208
That's how i understand it as well

Have a blessed evening /ceg/

From your resident Mormon

Jacob 4:8

"Behold, great and marvelous are the works of the Lord. How unsearchable are the depths of the mysteries of him; and it is impossible that man should find out all his ways. And no man knoweth of his ways save it be revealed unto him; wherefore, brethren, despise not the revelations of God."

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Does anyone here own the second edition of David Bentley Harts new testament? Does romans 8:12 include the word "not" in it? I understand it was omitted apparently in error in the first edition.

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>>42654151
wanted to include my post from another board

it's
>>>/wsr/1570778
in case you want to click on the links

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Made this today for the books I've read and some that I'm still going through. Hope it is helpful to anons interested in mysticism. I've been praying every day for a couple weeks now for the first time in my life and I feel like Jesus Christ is giving me super-powers to overcome things I've been struggling with for so long.
Truly, we see farther at the feet of God than at the top of a mountain. Good luck anons.

>>42664841
Saved it! Thank you for taking the time of doing this Anon

>>42664841
Saved. Thank you!

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"Up an arise from thy sleep,
Give ear to the words of Our Letter!

"Remember that thou art a King’s son;
See whom thou hast served in thy slavedom.

Bethink thyself of the Pearl
For which thou didst journey to Egypt.

"Remember thy Glorious Robe,
Thy Splendid Mantle remember,

"To put on and wear as adornment,
When thy Name may be read in the Book of the Heroes,

"And with Our Successor, thy Brother,
Thou mayest be Heir in Our Kingdom."

I love the Hymn of the Pearl.

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God has given me some of the cleverness of a snake over the past couple of years, but barely any of the innocence I lost and so desperately crave. I want it back now; I was such a sweet child, and now I'm bitter about so many things.

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2020/07/insane-in-ghislaine-janus-twins.html?m=1

"Which becomes all the more interesting when you consider that former Epstein sex-slave Maria Farmer painted Epstein riding a UFOand Ghislaine as a creature who wouldn't look at all out of place in a H.P. Lovecraft story."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Farmer

https://mimeini.blogspot.com/2020/07/maria-farmers-explains-her-epstein.html?m=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/zeow0f/this_is_a_painting_by_maria_farmer_the_first/

I have stagnated so hard with my spiritual development that I've decided the only thing left for me to do is to go all in on fasting; any tips for surviving five days?

>>42671799

be sure to fill your life with goodness as you remove the food, remind yourself of God's sustaining word and power when you hunger.

5 days is hard. But doable.

>>42671799
Don't start with 5 days, get used to 1-2 days, if you can go weeks only eating once every 48 hours, a single set of 120 will be easy
Personally i stop at 96 hours

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Bump again

https://youtu.be/mCpZH4ylGFE?si=n9YguN6zSKpPed9R

>>42664588
Bump I know at least one person here has it

>>42679785

it does contain the word not, yes

>>42681041
Excellent thank you

Can you post a pic of the page pretty please

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>>42654151
I can hear the dead and there is a spirit who constantly antagonizes me and tries to mess up my life. I have been praying for multiple years to get rid of it, this includes daily rosary for a year. The only response I got was a saint who simply asks the spirit to stop. It's obvious to me the saint wants to "save" us both, but with that response he will get neither. I am about to give up my faith. After years of asking for help and seeing it want to help both myself and the spirit that torments me, I've hit my limit. Is there any Christian esoteric way to get rid of this evil spirit who constantly harasses me?

>>42683676

Michael the Archangel. He is conqueror. Get a blue candle, set it somewhere, read some psalms and light it stating your intention.

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Any tips for conquering fear, brothers? I want to be the kind of fellow a demon wouldn't even waste his time on because nothing he showed me would be capable of frightening me.

>>42683608
Incredibly based thanks

>>42664841
this is good

if anyone wants to contribute to my thread concerning 4 translations of Saint-Martin >>42687146

I was reading recently Ways of Russian Theology by Fr. Georges Florovsky and besides the author's more reactionary views, the book was surprisingly informative and honest about russian spirituality along the centuries.

As someone who is cradle Eastern Orthodox and has an interest in masonry, rosicrucianism and the counter-enlightenment illuminist current, I found the bits about russian roaicrucians and masons to be very interesting, so I'll share with you some quotes below.

>>42687957
"In any event, the formal piety of freemasonry was not openly disruptive. Many freemasons fulfilled all church 'obligations' and rituals. Others emphatically insisted on the complete immutability and sacredness of the rites and orders 'particularly of the Greek religion.' However the Orthodox service, with its wealth and plasticity of images and symbols, greatly attracted them. Freemasons highly valued Orthodoxy's tradition of symbols whose roots reach back deeply into classical antiquity. But every symbol was for them only a transparent sign or guidepost. One must ascend to that which is being signified, that is, from the visible to the invisible, from 'historical' Christianity to spiritual or 'true' Christianity, from the outer church to the 'inner' church. The freemasons considered their Order to be the 'inner' church, containing its own rites and 'sacraments.' This is once again the Alexandrian [the period of Tsar Alexander I] dream of an esoteric circle of chosen ones who are dedicated to preserving sacred traditions: a truth revealed only to a few chosen for extraordinary illumination."

"Members of the clergy sometimes joined masonic lodges, although they did so very infrequently. In 1782, when the Moscow masons opened their 'translation seminary' (that is, they formed a special group of students to whom they provided stipends), they chose the candidates for it from among provincial seminaries by consultation with the local hierarchs. During the investigation of 1786, Metropolitan Platon found [Nikolay] Novikov [mason of rosicrucian and martinist leanings] an exemplary Christian. However, the Moscow metropolitan's standards were not very strict."

>>42687993
"Novikov, Lopukhin and other Moscow Rosicrucians aspired to reconstruct an ethical and religious dimension that had been shattered by the crisis of the Orthodox Church. Their activities were not opposed to the religious institution. Rather, the Church’s particular position of weakness, the spread of the ideas of Western mysticism beginning from as far back as the previous century, the eclecticism of eighteenth-century Russian culture, which was experiencing its own Renaissance all made it such that the Novikov group was living its membership to the Rosicrucian movement as a revival of a vital past, of a classical religious and philosophical legacy. No wonder that Metropolitan Platon of Moscow, one of the most respected theologians of that time, was frankly sympathetic with Novikov and his views, as he made it clear in writing to the Empress herself."

"The relationship between the head of the Order and a new member reproduced the traditional relationship between the elder and novice in the Orthodox monastery. The Moscow Rosicrucians who belonged to the secret Inner Order were required to be humble, meek and obedient. The same rules were established by the Fathers of the Eastern Church for the monastic life. It is clear that these characteristics had almost nothing in common with the image of an enlightened man who is fully confident in the omnipotence of human reason."

"Some of the most respected Rosicrucians were held in the same kind of reverence usually attributed to Orthodox elders. Thus, Johann Schwarz and Semion Gamaleia were surrounded by an aura of sanctity. Gamaleia was seen by his contemporaries as 'a man from the first centuries of Christianity'. Rosicrucian elders elaborated their own method of inner regeneration through prayer, while leading a life of an ordinary layman. In doing so they followed the view of St. John Chrysostom who taught: 'Those who live in the world, even if married, in all other matters should resemble monks'."

>>42688006
"Russian Rosicrucians were well acquainted with the writings and ideas of Jacob Boehme, believing in the deep concordance between the views of the Philosophus Teutonicus and those of the Eastern Church Fathers. Proceeding from Russian Orthodox mystical theology based on the writings of Pseudo-Dionysius and Gregory Palamas, Moscow Rosicrucians maintained Orthodoxy as their own religious horizon, which was in perfect coherence with the doctrine of the German mystics and theosophers. On the other hand, they tried to seek the anthropological bases that Orthodox theology did not offer in the philosophical conceptions of the fathers of Rosicrucianism."

>>42664841
can I get a link to the discord? if you can't post it here then just post a picture of it, thanks

copypasted from an earlier post, but i found it very inspiring:

The traditional reading of Cain and Abel casts Abel as the righteous victim and Cain as the fallen murderer. Abel, a shepherd, offers what pleases God and is rewarded. Cain, a farmer, is rejected and punished, becoming the archetype of human failure.

But this interpretation can be inverted.

Abel can be seen as the ideal subordinate: a keeper of flocks who produces without innovation, simply tending and presenting what already exists. His role is passive, obedient, and unchallenging to divine authority. He represents a form of existence that requires no transformation of the world, only maintenance and submission.

Cain represents something entirely different. As a cultivator of the earth, he must understand cycles, soil, and growth. His work is not passive but creative and technical. His offering is the result of applied knowledge and labor. When it is rejected, he does not accept his place. He acts, defies, and breaks the structure imposed on him.

His punishment is also paradoxical. He is marked, but protected. He is exiled, but not destroyed. Instead, he goes on to build the first city. Rather than being erased, he becomes the origin of human civilization.

In this reading, Abel embodies submission and continuity, while Cain embodies rebellion, knowledge, and creation. The story shifts from a moral warning into a foundational myth about the cost of progress and the tension between obedience and human advancement.

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>>42688019
You should look into Lopukhin, he corresponded with Karl von Eckartshausen and both shared the concept of the Interior or Inner Church, though while Lopukhin seeked to somehow unite Martinism and Rosicrucianism (the two Christian Masonries that came to Russia, one from France the other Germany) with the Orthodox Church, the former functioning as an inner order, akin to Sufi Tariqas
Eckartshausen on the other hand believed the Inner Church to be the human soul, and so there was no need for a union between Masonry and Christianity, which makes more sense, and when it comes to "Tariqas" that the Masonic Orders would be, we already have Monasticism and its Orders

My mistake, the below post is from Fr. Georges Florovsky's book:
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The other two below are from a review of pic related which doesn't seem available as pdf and it's expensive but I might buy it at some point and report back more findings:
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>>42690317
There seems to be only one english translation of Lopukhin, that of Some Characteristics of the Interior Church, if any more information about his life and ideas exist in the english language then it should be in pic related. Or do you have more sources?

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forgot pic related, here

>>42688055
There is no discord server, but you can add my username from the image.
I have been actively trying to avoid two types of people while studying Eastern Orthodoxy.
The first are those who learn about things entirely through youtube videos and e-celebs. These people are especially frustrating to learn with because they possess many dogmatic views without any mechanism to explain their beliefs beyond "I can send you the video." When you read a collection of books you develop a mental library of themes and topics which is invaluable for building your framework of understanding. These people lack sufficient involvement in the subject matter. They're watching a streamer but we're playing the game. The fact that so many important books on Eastern Orthodoxy are translated into simple modern English and are only around 200 pages makes this anti-literary behavior even more absurd.
The second type are people who seek an outward social transformation from what is essentially a mystical inward path to God. These people are typically longing for a "based community," tradwife, and family. While those things are great goals in life, they are by no means reliant on Eastern Orthodoxy, nor are they guaranteed by participation in the Church.
I am more than happy to discuss anything one-on-one.

Unread total pleb here, I had a thought about God that I assume has been explored before but I don’t know where to look to study it.

Basically, it goes like this:
If God is beyond time, does The Holy Trinity eternally experience the earthly life of Jesus? What I mean specifically is, if God is essentially stretched across all of time, stretching out beyond the beginning and the end of creation, is God eternally experiencing that perfect life? Is God always experiencing the pain and victory on the cross? And His birth?

Or is the notion of the temporal past being a present within which God could exist a violation of a logical boundary, like the perfectly good God doing something evil (God can’t be not God)?

Or is it that Jesus’ fully human nature’s experience is temporal and linear, but the fully divine nature of Jesus is what eternally experiences His life?

I ask these questions tentatively with humility and admitting my ignorance, I just want to understand God better.

>>42691660
God is everything in all things and nothing in anything. God's essence is beyond being, beyond the intelligible world (which means also beyond time). We perceive time, God is transcendent of it and also immanent in all creation. God is not stretched across time. Time and intelligible being are ontologically dependent on God.