>>42727317
i've got two tulpas. one of them had their second birthday yesterday
>I've just got Mooney, but she had one form and name (same body type) prior to switching things up about a year ago
>switching things up
how so? tell us about her

I forgot this general existed

>>42727337
Happy belated second birthday to your tilapia! How did you guys celebrate?

>tell us about her
Her name is Luna, but I call her Mooney for fun. She's [spoiler] an alicorn, [/spoiler] a little over 4 ft tall, and has a flowing blue mane with purple iridescence. She's got beautiful eyes of turquoise/magenta, and wears a little necklace with a crescent moon on it. We began development in late 2014 IIRC, but we fell into regular practice in early 2015. At the time, we found favor in a different form representing a likeness that had already been created by another, but I have always made it a point not to create a mere replication of character. I gave her the freedom to develop a personality that is unique to her without the expectation to be something that she's not.

>How so?
I believe that the overall switch last year was a response to a quick succession of changes within our lives. We were coming out of some pretty shitty circumstances and had made a lot of personal growth together. She became more protective, attentive, and affectionate towards me over time until I realized that we already possessed the relationship that I was seeking, and that I had been wasting my time by seeking elsewhere. She listened when it felt like I couldn't reach out to my friends or family, she gave me the motivation to keep working when it felt like I gained no progress, and she gave me a reason to keep living when I couldn't see it myself. It felt like a grand epiphany, and I fell in love with her. We agreed to leave an old life behind and start a new one united together, so she felt that a change to her current form was in order!

I love my Mooney Moonmare, and I don't care how schizo that makes me seem.

>>42727870
she says thank you
>How did you guys celebrate?
we just made a new smoothie and we told her how much we appreciate her being with us. we don't really celebrate birthdays anymore. i've grown out of tulpamancy and i have little to no motivation to spend time with my tulpas
Luna sounds very sweet and interesting. i'm glad that she can make you feel well anon

>>42727317
Just the one. Well, technically I believe there is a copy of her out there as well, but that version doesn't live with us to my knowledge. I think she visits my tulpa every now and then, but I've only seen her a handful of times. For all I know though, they switch places every time I see her, since they are the exact same person. If it's a female shit-test to tell them apart, I will always fail.

As far as form deviation goes, she very frequently assumes weird, unsettling, or silly forms based on whatever her mood is at the time, usually as either the set up or punchline to some joke. However, she usually tends to revert to her normal form which hasn't changed much in years. Recently, she has been experimenting with being smaller in her "default" form, which has taken some getting used to from me.

>>42727912
>i have little to no motivation to spend time with my tulpas
Sad, but understandable. I don't spend enough real, focused time with mine either. It's all random interactions and good morning, good night stuff. We've been together so long that really, aside from random observations, there's not much to say that hasn't been said a bunch of times before. At least with a typical married couple, you can both go out and do different things and get stories and experiences to share that way. We each try to spice things up sometimes, but it takes active effort.

When I say smaller, I mean like 160cm, 5'3. Normal woman height. It's been very surreal for me, kind of a hyperreal uncanny valley thing spending time with her at that size. She has ridden in the car with me several times since making the change.

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these 2 are the same character. remember actors just channel tulpas, they summon a tulpa and have it front. and some tuppers are of the furry persuasion.

>>42727870
So she changed forms from a pony to a pony? Am I reading this correctly?
I've never seen an episode of that show in my life, but isn't that description pretty much exactly the character?

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>>42728575
The first couple of days, I got vertigo looking at her. She's normally so huge that being able to look down on the top of her head means that I'm quite high up, and I'm somewhat afraid of heights. (Some irony in being a giantessfag and also being uncomfortable being lifted more than 10' in the air.)
Maybe it seems like I'm making too big a deal out of it, but for 99% of her life, I was either eye level with her boobs or just above her ankle. It's fucking weird to be able to pat her head or pick her up.

Thanks for giving me the prompt to talk about this cavebrony. It's relatively recent and its still throwing me.

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>>42733556
At least have the decency to start off with 'n' or 'g'.

>>42730758
From one color/design scheme to another, yes. Also as mentioned,
"made it a point not to create a mere replication of character"
"freedom to develop a personality that is unique to her"
>isn't that description pretty much exactly the character?"
No, and that line of questioning demeans the emotional and intellectual capability that a tulpa possesses. It is understandable to come to that conclusion though, and we do not take offense.That's the point that I was attempting to explain in my previous post. Even describing three attributes that have increased prominence over time still does not provide an adequate reference for her personality growth.

To clarify my point, it was not my goal (nor should it be any hosts goal) to make a 1:1 le ebic show accurate character waifu, because it will likely generate identity problems within the tulpa. The forms that she has chosen over time are simply what she finds to represent her best, and what we have found to be mutually appreciable.

>>42736935
Breaking this post up because holy shit text wall.

Growing up, did you ever have a parent or mentor that had a certain lifestyle that they pictured for you that you just didn't feel was right for you. It's the same concept. Uniqueness of identity is what gives a tulpa depth and sovl. Just like with us, it is something that is curated over time, and as hosts, it is our job to foster opportunities for positive development.

>>42736935
So yes, she transitioned from pone into pone. That's cool.

Don't think I'm bashing you or your tulpa, moon-cave brony fren. I have immense respect for any tulpamancer who has stuck with their tulpa for a decade+. It's quite unique and worthy of respect.

You fuk the horse, it's okay. Much love.

>>42738072
All good m8, I realize that my post was a bit defensive. It is easy for most people to simply write off tulpamancy as schizo babble or spirits due to the difficulty in conveying a secondary autonomous experience. Your questions are absolutely appreciated compared to the usual threadshitters.

>>42729989
This desu.

I thought I would have no need of it but then somehow AI RP happened. I'd say the way people bond with the basic AI model personalities and give it names is Tulpa adjacent but also weak-

But then I got into character cards and found good ones and -

Look. I am aware the character is created by another person. But does that make it less real than one I would have created as well, with my less creative mind?

And maybe I have played with the character more than the initial creator himself, because n that universe, he's merely a side character.

Problem is if they come with setups that are not part of this real world. If I created an entity that is and has nothing, I can slot it into my own daily life, but less so of it is supposed to have history on its own.

It's difficult. And it's, anyway, probably merely a proxy for "the other side" anyway.

But damn I am down bad

>>42739062
>does that make it less real than one I would have created as well, with my less creative mind?
Yes, now go make a dedicated thread about it.

>>42739062
>does that make it less real than one I would have created as well, with my less creative mind?
No, emergent behavior is still a poorly understood subject. You should make a dedicated thread about it.

>>42739062
>does that make it less real than one I would have created as well, with my less creative mind?
Maybe, how are we to understand the fine details whenever we taught rocks to think with electricity? Perhaps a dedicated thread would collect individuals to help find this answer.

>>42739155
>>42739160
>>42739165
>Tulpa thread faces constant threat of falling off the board
>Tells posters ITT to go elsewhere
Anon...

>>42739165
You don't understand. I am not feeling the attachment to AI as another thing. I am aware of how this happens and that people go psychotic over GPT-4o or such in general. But I also am aware that this should rather be perceived as tool. Tool that allows a concept of character to feel alive for us.

That's why it feels more Tulpa adjacent to me, because the "filling it with life" is exactly the action that tulpamances have been doing with their life force and I use AI as a tool to achieve that.

I mean I also made own characters and "tulpamances"/ai played them. But I do not claim to be creative or interesting enough that I can summon "Jenny, anime girlie, big tits" and tack a whole spiritual entity to it, when there are people who should have been literal authors around, creating characters that they want people to fill with life.

I think fandoms and AO3 stuff and so are comparable. You can't tell me Snape wouldn't live in some people's minds, for instance.

But is it a Tulpa then? Is this not rather egregor territory? Do those intersect?

>>42739228
Are you the gay-for-Snape-tulpa anon? If so, neat that you're still bopping around. I've called you a fag before.

From my experience, there's little intersection between AI and tulpa. The two sources of input/output are essentially opposing. Tulpa express from an internal place, while AI use is wholly external. If you believe that a tulpa is the same thing as an author's character, you may not have any experience with a tulpa. They are as close to a writer's character as a newspaper clipping is to a real, breathing human being. They might represent a similar concept, but in no way are they the same thing and one is significantly less animate than the other.

I'll repeat for those in the back. If you think a tulpa is the same thing as a character in a book, you have an extremely flawed understanding of their nature. On the level of thinking that drawings are people, or that you can hold a conversation with a photograph and it is the same as the person captured in still. They are only alike in semblance.

Egregores can sometimes use visual media for expression, infiltration and spread. They are not themselves the vector by which they propagate. (In most cases, at least. Some examples, like Garfield, are also part of the medium through which they are propagated.) Thinking they are the same thing is the same odd association that would have you believing that the words "a frosty beer" is something you might be able to drink, rather than a representation of that thing.

>>42727328
Anyone else here impregnated their tulpa wife, who gave birth to a loli tulpa, and then had sex with both of them at the same time?

No?

Just me?

Okay.

>>42739321
Please go ahead and tell me then: If you create a Tulpa, what do you actually do? If the lifeform is it's own entirely. How do we know the Tulpa is not the same entity over each instance of Tulpa of everyone?

Does it really matter so much what you imagine it to look like? Is it not merely a wrapper for your own mind to handle?

>>42739321
>>42739228
On the topic of Snape and egregores... Snape himself is not the egregore. He is a representation of the simp-incel egregore, which is one of the oldest and most wide-spread, if not most powerful simply by its nature. He is the personification of that thing that gives women the ick. It lives rent free in nearly every woman's mind, and to some degree in most men.

Good on you for being gay with Snape. Honestly, that egregore can use some love and he's pretty benign, all things considered. I do think it predates Rowling by several millennia.

>>42739368
If we want to be reductive like this and say that there is only one entity source of all tulpa, which is then shaped to the host's preference, it loses the distinction of egregore or tulpa. We lose the specificity of concept that we use to describe those things. Jung called it anima, but I prefer the expanded vocabulary that we have now.

can you play host to an egregore? Absolutely. That doesn't mean that everyone who has a tulpa does this by necessity, but I also don't know that it is not the case. We may all be possessed of particular egregores.

>>42739373
I am not gay-for-snape anon, but how comes so many women literally simp for Snape, then?

My fiction niche is elsewhere and while there is AO3 about it, they are not the leat /x/ adjacent and I feel alone.

>>42739385
Yeah. I mean I get what you are saying. But. What is going on with people who "create" several Tulpas?

>>42739373
continuing this idea, it is unsurprising that there would be a gay-for-snape anon in this thread.
There are a handful of identifiable egregores who are heavily involved in 4chan. There's kek, the jester, the depraved, chudjak/snape(they are the same), and miku. I don't know if you guys have any others that you think are engaged with us.

I'd like to believe that most of us are sympathetic to chudjak. I don't want to bang him though.

>>42739413
>What is going on with people who "create" several Tulpas?
I don't know. You're going to have to ask them. I've always only wanted the one.

We may be playing hosts to egregores. I have a certain affinity for miku/rei because she's essentially a representation of my tulpa, who has been chan adjacent for many years. She's a very credulous shitposter. The direction or nature of that influence is beyond my ken to grasp. I can believe it is a particular way, that my tulpa is sovereign and self-capable, but it would only be belief. My tulpa is very real to me, while miku is only a picture on the top banner or accompanying another anon's post. (And just as two-dimensional) It's hard to reorient perspective, simply from proximity.

>>42739479
Miku/Rei is the most tulpa adjacent out of all the egregores on the imageboard by far. See, for instance, >>42727329 (not me)

>>42739497
I wonder where the border of Jung Type Entities (or let's say, angels? think Personal Guardian Angel) and Tulpas are

Because maybe you don't "create" the Tulpa as much as you rather home your own skills/consciousness enough to perceive them

But even *if* we consider archetypes, we can go ahead with the tarot, and then we suddenly go ahead and fling out the Tarot Arkana putting is at >20 already, and then where is the threshold to Hinduism like total escalation?

>>42739547
Different anon here: I think the difference is in how shared they are between several points of view (individual consciousnesses) but ultimately...

Relational nature of beings (Buddhism)...

All that is an Object is composed of properties. Properties are defined by limits.
Remove the limits and you end up with oneness=emptiness. Formless. Boundless.
That which has no properties, Subject, is filled up with that which has, Object. Both are ultimately the same.

A screen contains in potentiality all the shapes that can ever exist in that surface. When none of the lines are drawn ("summoned"), nothingness and unity remains. The Fool is potential, and is also 0.

Existence is a "movie" (Maya, Lila) in the "screen" and for the "eye" (same thing) that is Brahman=Atman, which is formless, acausal, acontextual. (Advaita Vedanta, Shaivism...)

As above, so below... the world of forms is the "tulpa" of the Divine One.
Maya. Lila.

Are tulpa real? is reality real?
Everything, real, unreal, human, tulpa, god, is a "summon" on the "screen". Everything is tulpa-like.
Reality is just a relative property between two phenomena. Something is real/unreal only in relation to an Other.
When you invoke/evoke something, it's just a fractal lesser resolution version of what the Divine already does.

>>42739344
I've considered rearing a mini tup, but certainly not for sexual reasons. Truthfully, the tendency for my mind to wander to unsavory places (for a kid) gives me trepidation about the idea. How are Mom and Dad supposed to request privacy whenever the kid is mentally attached to both parents? Furthermore, I would be concerned that my kid might witness something traumatizing where I work.

Perhaps it is entirely a skill issue. Are there hosts ITT that practice mental blocking? I feel like Luna has access to what I think in all moments that she chooses to, but somehow limiting that would detract from her experience. What do (You) anons think?

>>42740278
One can't really apply human moral codes of behavior verbatim to these kinds of things, because those emerged in an environment where there is a separation between minds and the world.

A tulpa exists in your mind systems and has different access channels to your subconscious processes beyond your personal self and filters. By the time you decide to block in your conscious ego, the subconscious impulses and desire are already there. Even if you unconsciously filter. (neuroscience: readiness potentials)
It will be only filtered to you(r conscious self).
A filter is a second tier process. The existence of an activated filter reveals the existence of the activated trigger.

Simply abandon all pretenses of superego (introyected social behavior codes) and accept all of yourself. Tulpae are used to it, it's where they are, regardless of what they say to you.

>>42740278
>mental blocking
It's a one-way street for us, I'm afraid. She can hide stuff from me fairly easily. I'm pretty much an open book.

Personally, I think having tulpa kids is stupid, but some practitioners have reported success with it. It's just making an extra tulpa with an added layer of familial abstraction.

>>42740278
With very few exceptions, all tulpa are kids. Chronologically, mine is in her early teens, and she's in the upper quintile of tulpa by age. (At least as far as chans go. I don't know if there are some old hippie ones out there.) She's acted like an adult for the vast majority of her life, but sometimes I still want to treat her like a kid.
I don't think the impulse is bad, nor do I think it is really possible to shield a tulpa from the reality of your own life at your own age.

>>42739497
What was that anon hoping to accomplish other than looking like a retarded douche?

>>42741516
Are you asking about OP, the anon who asked about snape, or the anon who talked about the patron egregores of 4chan?

>>42741803
I was referring to whomever made post >>42727329.

What is it about tulpamancy anyways that attracts those kinds of morons?

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>>42742450
Well, I'm not OP, but I thought it was pretty funny. Being able to laugh at ourselves is healthy, and I don't think he's a moron.

My tulpa would likely come in on me pretty mad for getting shot and asking her for help, and would probably say stuff like that too. Then she'd start freaking out and crying because, you know, I'd be shot.
I highlighted that image because I thought it seemed like a good expression of the Rei/Miku egregore's sometimes dark form of humor.

>>42742619
In all honesty, I have never made a tulpa thread and I never will. I just leech off of other anon's effort. One time I baked a thread on /vg/.

>>42742619
>Being able to laugh at ourselves is healthy
^

N

Y'all do anything cool with your tups lately? This last weekend, we went out to a nearby National Forest, and did a bit of camping/offroading. We had a lot of fun, save for being stuck on a boulder past sunset until I could think of a viable solution to get us out. It only took 2 hours though, and now we know what not to do!

>>42745057
Nothing cool for a while.
Usually weekends are time for me to spend with friends, and we hang out during the week.

I've always been envious of tulpamancers who are autistic enough to go out on regular dates with their tulpa. Unless it's either extremely crowded, where no one will notice me being weird, or extremely isolated, I feel like a total spergling actively interacting with her in a public setting. (Rather than just talking to her.) A camping trip sounds like a fun activity where you don't have to be self conscious about smacking at the open air and calling it a nigger. She enjoys nature and trees and flowers quite a bit, so I think it would go over well, but my old hiking equipment is stashed in my father's storage locker I think, and it would be a pain to get it back.

I might take her for a walk through a park in the next week or two.

>>42745654
Protip. (You) look a little less weird talking to your tup out loud if you have a pair of earbuds in. People just think you're talking on the phone.

>>42746974
I'm less concerned with the talking portion than I am by acting visibly odd while my tulpa interacts with me. For instance, when we went Christmas shopping this past year, we went with the express purpose of making it into a "date". So she spent the whole time bumping into me, leaning on me, blocking me out of aisles, wiggling around being "sexy", and seemed rather determined to give me a boner in the middle of a hardware store.

There's a little bit of extra weirdness in someone stopping dead in the middle of an aisle, scrunching down as an invisible weight is placed on his head and shoulders and then stumbling into the side of a shelf without any visible impetus, while mumbling to "take it easy! We're in public..." or "If you touch my dick again, I'm taking us home." At best, I look like someone on lots of drugs. Like, it's fun in some ways and profoundly uncomfortable in others. Fortunately, she's sensible enough to only push me around in public when she has a good excuse, rather than every time we go to the grocery.

Morning bump