Are all meat eaters hylics? They don't care about the suffering of the animals they eat.
you calling animals hylics?nah but having no empathy for it is a sign you are an asshole
>>42916567A fucking chicken
>>42916567they are yes
>>42916567Makima was just doing her job. The chicken should have complied
>>42916579Consider this:If eating meat makes you a hylic, then animals are obviously hylics. That means they have no soul and aren't real, thinking entities. That means it's okay to... wait...
Who prepares food that close to a chicken farm? That's extremely unsanitary.
>>42916567The animals are already dead though. Eating more meat to extinguish the animals and their suffering is the morally superior choice, no?Seriously though: consider that vegetarianism and veganism still causes a lot of harm to animals. Just walking out and about is already terrorizing the natural environment. To live is to cause suffering. That's how this world has been made.Now consider what happens when people become actual meat eaters. Nose to tail. Supplemented with a little bit of plants and some eggs now and then. Nothing else. No more slop being sold. Nowhere not even once. They would have you believe that we would all die early from cancer and heart disease, but the reverse seems through: we would be way more healthy than we are now which means that we would be more relaxed and loving and acting more in harmony with our environment.It's the horrible feeling of anxiety, insecurity and injustice that we feel now that makes us more hostile and neglectful to everyone and everything around us.
>>42916567No, the world is a shithole and I'm hungry. Fuck you, bitch.
>>42916567there is evidence plant life and fungi could be conscious at a low level. where do you draw the line? I draw the line between humans and everything else. They have certain rights and we have more rights.
i think some dont care and some do. honestly like another 'non said, to live is to cause suffering. its how our current world functions. ideally sure its easier to want no suffering or whatever. but at the same time, theres evidence even plants have capability of suffering. so like animals and plants are suffering. the choice i guess is which one who you want to suffer more.
Just admit that you are evil. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Your existence itself kills many lifeforms, and killing yourself is the only way to prevent it
>>42916858Fungi is psychic and secretly rule the world. The trees are reptilians. There are angles everywhere. The world is fake. They make me take a shit every day.
>>42916567Do you care about the suffering of your vegggies?You really should.
>>42916567do you care deeply about a bug that you squash that annoys you or a wasp ?no ?then you are a COLDBLOODED KILLER !checkmate veganchud
>>42916890you should try constipationmaxxing
>>42916858>>42916896All life is absolutely conscious. But we humans still have to eat something, so we should strive to reduce the suffering we inflict upon the world and each other. Maybe one day we will find a way to consume pure energy like those chad breatharians. Until then, we just have to do what we can and reject eating meat entirely.
>>42916567>you must have empathy for inanimate objects hylics like OP should think twice before they extinguish the lives of billions microorganisms when they chew on their salad
>>42917062 Microorganisms don't have complex nervous systems like animals do. Animals generate so much suffering, but you obviously don't care. You want to keep murdering and eating them. Meat eating is hylic coded. No way around it.
Animals don’t suffer. Pain and suffering are different things. To suffer is to ruminate on your pain and ask questions like “why me?”. To say that animals suffer is to attribute to them far more awareness than they actually possess.
>>42917091what sort of a nervous system does an animal posses once you smash it's head with a sledgehammer, or lets say, you slice it's neck and dry out it's blood.your argument works against you, if you think about itthe more you allow these animals to live, their suffering and "nervous system" get prolonged, so they are exposed to perpetual painif you are to end their life swiftly, doesnt even need to be in a humane way, it's a form of mercy, since you relief of them of long-term suffering But ofcourse Hylics animals like OP enjoy the demiurgic world so much, they just want to keep spreading around like infestation and "preserving" their so called "life"
>>42916567Are predators also evil, or do they get a free pass because animals are magically inculpable? Vegans seem to project a level of sentience into animals that simply doesn't exist, and even if it did, I don't see how a tiger hunting a deer is different from humans slaughtering pigs or chickens. Also, you could just admit that you want to fuck the chicken in the video, anon.
>>42917130+ by the same logic, a bird who is more aware than its prey (worms, rodents), must be equally as guilty as a human who eats beef, since a cow is also "less aware" by contrast.
>>42916579>you calling animals hylics?the type of sentence your brain structures when you have a nutrient deficit
>>42917130>I don't see how a tiger hunting a deer is different from humans slaughtering pigs or chickensYou said it right there. There's hunting and there's slaughtering. Humans are the only species whose killing surpass the need to feed themselves, and at rate that exceed the natural reproduction rate
>>42917154Felines kill their prey for fun all the time when there is abundance, even in the absence of humans. Institutionalizing hunting just means we're more evolved, that's it. We can't perfectly structure the economy around output meeting our exact needs with zero waste, that's just ridiculous.
>>42916567Do they all, always suffer. You're aware, right (?), that some cows are left to pasture. They eat grass and stand in the sun (and sleep standing in the night) enjoying their lives until one day someone brings them into the corral and plows a metal stick through their head a la No Country for Old Men. It's not always the worst thing you've imagined. And research always helps.
>>42916567>Are all meat eaters hylics?There's some truth to that statement .We are so dissociated from nature that our minds often do not conceive the meat we consume is coming from a living thing. Also the fact that it is sold in the same place as any other food. It's a form of absent mindedness,a trait of the hylic. So perhaps We should bring more awareness about this
YOU are the Demiurge of the animal kingdom. YOU are evil. Animals should be elevated to a semi humanoid form so they too can attain gnosis and shatter the chains of your tyranny.
>>42917154Your attempt to frame humanity as "unnatural" just showcases that you are a hylic, since you seek to abide by natural law - a typical hylic behavior the fact that (some) men are capable of going beyond the bounds and just killing for fun, showcases that they broke through their ingrained programming, something which hylics like you are incapable of doing
>>42916971You're gonna be small and without enough protein your whole life. Are you aware it takes 5 cans of beans to equal the protein in one pound of turkey? You'd clearly die if you tried this a thousand years ago. Or you'd become Indian or Chinese, because they've always been runty and small-- because they don't eat enough protein (vegetarians or poor.)
>>42917181furry masquerading as an /x/ poster. It's the same problem as the OP poster. You're humanizing animals that never were human or even like humans in the first place.If you want to talk about dolphins? And squid? Yeah, we don't eat those (in the west), because they've been observed to be highly intelligent. We do have some very highly respect animals and we respect them for their clear and obvious intelligence.You're just posting furry slop.
>>42917162>Institutionalizing hunting just means we're more evolved, that's it.I was referring to the slaughterhouses and the fact that food has become an industry. Which doesn't qualify as hunting reallyIt depends what you define as "evolved". As a society? Yes, it's more complex than any animal species. Morally? It's the opposite of evolved. The fact we allow "killing" to be done on an industrial scale says enough about who we are currently as a species. And that goes hand in hand with stuff like medicine turning into an industry aswell
>>42917207No, all of these are objectively good things and I am grateful to be born in this day and age. I can literally order wonder drugs like Aspirin for peanuts, we have cheap access to things people less than a century ago couldn't even dream of.
>>42917182>Your attempt to frame humanity as "unnatural"Learn to read. I didn't say humanity was unnatural. It's only humans' creations that can qualify as "unnatural". Industry, finance, etc. basically everything that goes against the natural order is the product of humans rational thinking.>the fact that (some) men are capable of going beyond the bounds and just killing for fun, showcases that they broke through their ingrained programmingOr, it can also mean humans (depends on what type, but especially westerners here) are the only ones that actively work against their nature because of their rational intellect. Please, don't glorify throwing a cow into a meat grinder or killing for fun is a mark of "liberation".
>>42917195Pigs were "observed to be intelligent" too and no one gives a shit. No...The only reason squid isn't food here is because of the ick factor, and dolphins are just illegal to catch. You better believe fatass whitey would be scarfing down dolphin burgers if they could, intelligent or not.
>>42917195 cope. I'm dead ass serious and I'm not even a furfag. We should uplift all animals. By doing so, we will pay them back for all the suffering we inflicted upon them. It's the right thing to do.
>>42917259>PigsGood point, but pigs are also observed to be extremely filthy and dirty. They'll eat each other. They'll eat anything that gets dropped into their pens. They're slobs by the best definition. Absolutely out of control animals. So, to your point (which is good), so what if they're intelligent if they're also psychopaths. Ever seen how a pig looks when it goes feral and turns into a boar. They're ready to be crazy and wild at all time. Pork is the lesser meat compared to chickens and cows.>>42917270Alright I respect your for saying that, but you're still posting furry photos. Any time you humanize an animal you're trying really hard to turn them into humans, which they aren't -- ever.They aren't. And they aren't on the brink of evolving into a better species like another fur poster said. Cows are meant to be food for other animals unfortunately, but it's true that we need to treat them better.Cows, chickens, pigs; yes, we do need to treat them better. We're still gonna kill them at the end of the day, but we shouldn't keep them in pens at all. They should all be in pasture and fed well, and enjoy the sunlight, and they should have kids that they're allowed to hang out with. until we kill them.
>>42916567Higher beings consume lesser beings, all hylics who worship a god will be consumed by their favourite egregore. Accept your divine nature and consume lesser beings, you are what you've consumed.
>>42917237>No, all of these are objectively good things and I am grateful to be born in this day and age.The only way one could perceive this as "objectively good" is from a modern, materialistic, darwinist framework. Which is hylic thinking when you think about it."Hylic" means material :)
You cant survive here without eating other life. It is the nature of this lower material dimension. Eating vegetables wont suddenly change your place in the spiritual caste system. Someone who eats meat and lives in service of others is far superior to a self centered vegan. Most of them have a superiority complex, which is a child like mind.
>>42916567Imagine being such a beta little bitch that you willingly limit yourself to a diet of plants. You are quite literally emulating the behavior of prey.
>>42918239Eh..most meat eaters, online at least, seem to be the ones with one. They also kinda seem to be a hivemind that hates when people become vegan.
>>42918352TBF, hippos and rhinos eat mostly or only plants, and are super alphas.
>>42916567The OP's video is horrible lmao. I think the real discussion comes down to causing unnecessary suffering. We humans need to eat like any other animal, so we can't really just quit eating meat. I'm sure cows and chickens would do really well out in the wild lmao. I love meat too much, but why do we have to stress and basically torture animals in mass to feed people, when most of the meat is just wasted or thrown out before being purchased anyways.
Meat is saturated with the energy of suffering and death. Only low frequency hylics consume it. Today it is chicken, tomorrow it will be humans. Just like your elites already do.
>>42919067I guess every society basically in human history was also cannibals according to your logic.
>>42919066>I'm sure cows and chickens would do really well out in the wild lmao.They would. It would take some time and ddeaths for them to revert away from the horrible genetic freaks we turned them into, but they would rewild very fast.But this all comes from a retarded argument by meat eaters.NO ONE said just release all the livestock into the wild.We made them, we'll care for them.We can just stop making more.
>>42916567>all meat eatersno. the disconnect of buying prepackaged products from the store makes it a yes but the acknowledgement from doing the animals in yourself is the opposite
>>42916567You let your worldview be defined by cartoons. You're the hylic.>>42919066Factory farms are more efficient and cause less suffering to the animal than whatever "natural" garbage these idiots prefer.
>>42919066>We humans need to eat like any other animal, so we can't really just quit eating meatOh, but you can, and you can do it without dying or suffering. Unless of course, you are a ghoul or something.>>42919509So buy that logic concentration camps cause less suffering to people that whatever standard way of living people propose....right?
I regret starting the hylic meme. I didnt forsee the hylics getting hold of it and using it to deepen their own psychosis
>>42916855>No, the world is a shithole and I'm hungry. Fuck you, bitch.basically this.I'm going to order some kebab in spite of OP
>>42916888>Just admit that you are evil. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. Your existence itself kills many lifeforms, and killing yourself is the only way to prevent itchecked. my bro is a vegan and is working as a manager in a meat processing plant, his work probably contributes to death more animals that he could eat during his entire life even if he would go full keto. and he doesn't see anything contradictory in what he's doing. for me, it is like to be a philosemithe while working as an officer in aushwitz.
>>42916567But eating plants is better. They can't even scream, totally locked within their form without any hope of expressing themselves or their needs.Fuck you and your double morals.
>>42917152it ain't from not eating meat.also its fortchan, you can't get me to be anything but casual, they might be paying you, but not me.
>>42916567>>42916579Sometimes I cuddle my goats shortly before I slaughter them. They're more delicious that way.
>>42922034that honestly sound like a nice moral thing too do.i think you were trying to be edgy though
>>42922042The only thing edgy is my knife. I hug and kiss them. Then I slaughter them.
if you grew up in a traditional society in which hunting was a necessity, this wouldn't be in your mind. vegan and vegetarian may well have been an ancient psychological operation put into monasteries to keep the most intelligent class of people from having what they needed physically so that meditation was necessary. just a theory on my part.ethical raising of animals and supporting beef and dairy ranchers who treat their cows well and actually spiritually participating in thanking the animal and all the work that went into the gift of sustenance is more potent than pretending we don't need animal products. it just makes us go crazy, makes women's spines get warped, makes men gay, makes us into herd animals instead of what we're supposed to be, hunters and gatherers.why do we hunt for knowledge, why do we have a drive to hunt for the truth, rather than just contenting ourself with what is right in front of our face. its all a fractal.sure if you want to become a breatharian and use veganism as a path to get there, and go through some morphogenic change of your human structure like harold percival talks about, go for it, but all farming harms animals. sure be choosy who you eat, but feeling like you can't eat what you need to be sane and healthy is just a trap like original sin.
>>42916567No but they are biased and hypocritical. Perfect examples of some of the worst things about humans
>>42922095Sometimes when I slaughter a goat, I leave the carcass alone for awhile, and sit to meditate on it and non-duality. I am very intelligent.
>>42919509What’s the most painful thing that ever happened to you? Seriously take a moment and contemplate it, try, in as much detail as you can, to remember what it was like. Maybe, for a few of you it was childbirth, an experience which, when it takes place without anesthesia, is temporarily completely debilitating. Nothing other than the pain occupies the mind of the sufferer.Perhaps it was getting a tattoo. Someone on Quora summarized the pain of getting a tattoo in the following way:>They hurt.>There are between one and 20 needles being poked through your skin hundreds of thousands of time in a single session. The number of needles will determine the type and intensity of pain. So expect it. The real question is how much will it hurt.I’ve been quite lucky and never experienced any particularly severe pain. I can remember quite a few times I’ve had pretty intense pain, barely eating for two days, having a doctor press down on my infected finger until it popped when I was 8, having a very severe stomach ache, falling out of a treehouse (though remaining in the tree) and banging my chin on the side of it, but nothing has been that bad. I’d guess the worst experience of my life is a lot less painful than a wrist tattoo.The most painful experience that most of us have ever had is classified as disabling pain. This is the sort of pain that’s bad enough that during it you can’t enjoy doing anything else, you can’t, for instance, enjoy a game of chess while giving birth, and that makes it impossible to focus on anything other than the pain. Examples of this kind of pain include a very painful fall, breaking a bone, burning yourself, giving birth, severe dog bites, getting a tattoo, kidney stones, and hemorrhoids.
>>42922135you should let it bleed out if you want good meat.so that would be intelligent
>>42922153While we often forget about these later, when they’re happening, they feel like the most significant thing in the world. They’re extremely bad, if you offered me $1,000 to get severely bitten by a dog, its teeth ripping off a chunk of my flesh, or have needles pierce my skin hundreds of times, I wouldn’t take the deal. Certainly I wouldn’t undergo childbirth for 1,000 dollars, especially if it was without anestheticSadly, on average, the animals that we eat endure hundreds of hours of this kind of debilitating agony over the course of their life. They endure somewhere on the order of an hour a day of this pain.I’ll just discuss one such case, the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):Bone fractures.The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times.In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week
>>42922169Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agonyInjurious pecking.In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest, about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:>“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
>>42922172Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions. Before you next purchase eggs, or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst, remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. https://www.simonknutsson.com/the-seriousness-of-suffering-supplement They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension, something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable, it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony, the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced.
>>42922179The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.The average meat eater causes hours of that!This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine. Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry. As Ren says in an https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/xtcgsLA2G8bn8vj99/reminding-myself-just-how-awful-pain-can-get-plus-an#Miscellaneous_thoughts_and_takeaways article that’s very worth reading, describing her own experience with fairly intense pain:A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hoursofhttps://www.pain-track.org/broilers[disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilersslaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year?How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?
>>42922167What do you imagine happens when I let a carcass hang in situ for hours and hours while I meditate? Clearly you're not a part of that intelligent class of people.
>>42916646Even accepting the error of the categories and thinking any life isnt a soul, this doesnt track.The problem is not whether they have a soul, but if they suffer.The body is what suffers, not the soul.>42916888The point is not eradication for that is impossible in this world.The point is reduction, minimizing, and consideration of others.>42916896Yes. Nothing alive can continue without killing. Even plants and bacteria kill. With every breath, with every step, simply by having an immune system - you kill.But this does not mean it should be ignored, excused, or increased.>42917099No, animals suffer even worse because they have a reduced conception of time and self.They cant remember a time without pain. They cant think of a future when pain will end.They are purely in the moment, and so a moment with pain is eternally pain for them.Lack of self increases this, as they have nothing to temper the pain. they cant be martyrs, or feel justified, or even angry at those causing their suffering.They only know that they are suffering.>429171301 - why do you people keep bringing up "evil"? OP didnt say anything about evil.2 - no, animals dont get a free pass, but I dont control animals and I cant communicate with them to try and change their behavior.I dont control other humans as well, and so there is no forcing or compelling them to stop.But I can communicate with humans, so I will explain this to them even as they get mad at seeing how much suffering they cause.Which makes them feel evil.Which they then think I am calling them evil, even though it is their own brain doing that.>42917322Is that why jews eat white babies?>42920086You having retards in your family only proves your mental acuity is suspect.
>>42922384dang that's a lot of passive aggressive white girl energyi can't be bothered to check the post numbers
>>42916567not really, but the lack of empathy towards animals is. If you eat meat and know not to waste it since an animal had to die for it, you are not a hylic. If you see the animals as nothing but material objects, you are a hylic. but if you consider them as living entities and feel a sense of empathy towards them, you are a psychic. acting on that empathy makes you a good psychic, therefore has a chance to break off from the material world. pneumatics on the other hand are not bound to the material in anyway, they can eat meat as long as it doesn't blind them to materiality. keep in mind that the human body is made material, it is made to require nourishment, it was designed to consume meats, you can't fault humans for living as humans, it is choosing to be immoral that you can fault them on. animal torturers are hylic, but a person eating meat can still be any of the three.
>>42916567Plants are psychic and demonstrate chemical deployment to avoid destruction. Are vegetarians all hylics because they can't comprehend plants methods to communicate pain and can only relate to creatures that react the same way as they do?
>>42922444Checked, and sorry to make you feel anxious.It's very simple - a decent person tries to reduce the suffering they cause.People that arent decent feel bad when confronted with this, so they either mock it or get angry at it.
