(Japanese Kickboxing)
>>190582Kickboxing is cool but muay thai is cooler. Muay thai has cool music.
>>190582Rise hss some kino fights between the bloodlusted literally whos. I'm looking forward to this year's K-1 vs Rise.
>>190586I like MT but can't deal with the fucking music. It unironically filters me and the only MT I can watch is shit like ONE because they don't blast those horns. Just the drums would be nice, but the horns sound fucking awful.
Didn't realize this thread even went up. Take some more cool clips
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>>191039President Takeru
>>191039Kazuki Osaki
>>191039Taio Asahisa
>>191039Yuki Yoza
>>191039Akihiro Kaneko
>>191039Masashi Kumura
>>191046KEK
>>191053These guys be wilding with their split second KOs, fun stuff.
>>191102He should've taken a tumbling class from japanese pro wrestling prior to that stunt, could've torn his achilles heel.
I thought boxing was useless once kicks/knees were involved, why do i see so many punches being traded here
>>192108Being able to use your legs doesn't mean you shouldn't use your arms. It means you should use your legs. Being good at boxing will make you better at kickboxing but it's not enough.
>>192122>big boobie girl bully’s itty bitty booby girl with her big boobiesFuck you anon I don’t need a new fetish I’m trying hard as it is to not be a degenerate.
>>192108Unlike the thais, there seems to be alot of focus on boxing offense among japanese kickboxers
>>191053Is there an official YouTube channel to watch this from?
>>192354Yes!K-1: https://youtube.com/@k1wgp_prRISE: https://youtube.com/@riseontvRISE only has japanese commentary. K-1 has english and japanese. If you want the japanese commentary you have to search the fighters' japanese names though. You can also navigate through K-1's own website (k-1.co.jp) if you go to a fighters page there will be youtube links to their fights.Also that clip is from this fight: https://youtu.be/2M9fVnFNj7o
>>192319Because the scoring criteria is different in J-kick. J-kick scores punches, kicks, elbows, and knees equally while in MT, punches and low kicks don't score as well as high kicks, control in the clinch, and knees/elbows. People think J-kick doesn't clinch or neck-wrestle; that's patently false. Ever since 1966, the Japanese extensively utilized clinch with elbows and knees. Nowhere near as refined and technical as the Thais do, but if you look at historical footage of All Japan Kick Boxing Association and Japan Kick Boxing Association , they do chap koh too.
I still don't get how they just get in head to head like that. My boxing is shit so I would rather stay in the long hook range than intimate like that. If it ever gets tight I'd fall into the clinch to wait for ref break
>>192677Sometimes you just have to bang,I don't remember but there's a dutch kickboxing drill where you go head to head and spar in just that range without clinching. Also work your borxing bro
>>192421You’ve put me down a rabbit hole thanks for these, I’m starting to get these videos from Rizin and Breaking Down which are pure kino
>>192718i mean the range where I can see what my opponent is doing so I can guard, slip, parry, is much more comfortable for me. And how do they just let each other into range like that?
>>192744meant for>>192680
>>192718If you want to keep delving, I can also recommend KNOCK OUThttps://youtube.com/@KNOCKOUT_KBThey have some absolutely kino fights as well. One of their more popular guys is Ryusei who is very fun if you like cool technique combined with just being a little retarded sometimes.
Is there a Japanese kickboxing league? Or is 'Japanese kickboxing' just about the style of fighting of Japanese fighters?
>>197182Japanese Kickboxing refers to the sport that was created in 1966 after exposure to Muay Thai and combining it with Karate & Kenpo with Western boxing. It's why in the 60's and 70's you saw Japanese kickboxers (many of them were ex-karateka) do stuff like spinning hook kicks and jumping kicks while simultaneously throwing hard cut kicks to thighs and calves, clinching with elbows and knees. The Japanese incorporated the Southeast Asian style of full torque and twist of hips to generate power instead of chambering kicks (which they normally did for control). As for Japanese Kickboxing, these are the major organizations:New Japan Kickboxing Federation. It allows all the arsenal of Muay Thai techniques but with different scoring criteria as mentioned here >>192508. The rounds are the same as Muay Thai and the timing. https://www.youtube.com/user/njkfjapanThen there's Shin Nihon Kickboxing Association. They're the other big Kickboxing organization and NJKF's rival. They have similar scoring criteria but they only have 3 rounds instead of 5 from the last I heard. RISE and K-1 Japan that >>192421 mentioned are other venues. There was also Krush which used to be a feeder system for Japanese kickboxers to go into the major leagues.
Muay Thai number one
>>197198Shishido's beaten Nak Muays before, it's just that Buakaw's high caliber and very few can beat him. Besides Sato nailed Buakaw with a knee to the gut and knocked out; something Souwer and Masato were never able to do.
Don't like it. All they do is shell up and brute forward until gloves touch then start banging and counter. Not fun to watch. There's a reason tenshin exploited them all
>>191052whenever i try shit like this nothing happens.... amazing stuff tho love Yoza
>>190582I do prefer it
Are there any noteworthy japanese kickboxers in higher weight classes?
I think there is a flaw, not sure if fundamental of sort in the style that let Tenshin clown on them. Yes yes I know Tenshin is incredible and high fight IQ, but he used that IQ to exploit people
>>197377>>197556>Tenshin the J-Kickboxer beat other J-Kickboxers>this means J-Kickboxing is flawed???
>>197377You have not witnessed the transformation of Toki Tamaru
>>197557A dutchman doing muay thai is not necessarily dutch style. Tenshin developed his own style early. He moves around a lot more than the rest.It's japanese style to relentlessly pressure forward
>>197691Tenshin also beat elite muay thai fighters, mma fighters, and boxers. Does that mean muay thai, MMA, and boxing all have fundamental flaws that he exploited?
Muay Thai better
>>197711Of course MT is the GOAT striking style compared to Japanese kickboxing. But you can't dismiss it when it has a rich history of competition against Muay Thai (which is why it was developed) and how it spawned Kickboxing and Muay Thai directly and indirectly in Europe (particularly Netherlands, France, and Italy).
>>197710The forward pressure is stuffed by clinchers and angle cutting. Evrything has flaws but i don't like these flaws
>>190586But jkick has ring girls dressed up in cosplay
>>198229MT has people cosplaying as girls
>>198232J kick used to have that..... thank u for everything Jienotsu....
>>190586Imho the traditional dance and scoring system in muay thai is annoying af. Would prefer to see a kickboxing organization that just allows elbow strikes.
>>190582Kickboxing is ideal martial art imo for spectating
best fights to learn jkick from bros?
>>199742Masaaki Noiri v. Rukiya AnpoThis one was the finale of an 8 man tournament so this is their third fight of the night. The other fights from that night are also really goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuDfGwQtcQkKaito Ono v. Masaaki Noirihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SY67yMzP0Masashi Kumura v. Akihiro KanekoThis one is a trilogy and k-1 has announced another tournament that has both these guys in it, so there is the possiblity of a fourthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oz_5Nyf85Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg1AtWdrEfUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ARXrU6sVoTaio Asahisa v. Yuki Yozahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYgR4xhFqkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvtjJFVIzQARISE World Series 2023This was a tournament that was held across three events. Notable names include: Kumandoi, Kazuki Osaki, Shiro, Toki Tamaru. The first round of the tournament was mostly just random european guys getting beaten up. The really good fights are:Shiro v. Kumandoihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEjM8C6VpzkKazuki Osaki v. Toki Tamaruhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaYuS7H6aMUKumandoi v. Toki Tamaruhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIX_hBP5_MoThese are some of the fights i could remember off the top of my head. These are also pretty new, there are a lot of good older fights as well.
>>198285KNOCK OUT has you covered "The Knock Out-Red ruleset allowed elbow strikes, sweeps and throws." - Wikipedia
>>199816thank you my man, i just started training in tokyo will watch all of these
>>199921Dude that's awesome. Remember to watch your head, I hear the japanese guys spar like madmen
>>198236Just looked him up. What a fucking legend.
>>200924Man i love shootboxing
>>199816post more ser please im hooked
>>201226You really can't go wrong with Masaaki Noiri. These are some of my favoriteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huY5Lej_wt8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmex0tOaE_khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psJZ4yiOnrshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJG6UFj89chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlhWd9ruSmwYoshiki Takei who is now a pro boxer also had some incredibly cool fights when he was in k-1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJTAX0wwk0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qV5DthDvC0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Marh6IcsDGUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9TdLnn5jMYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdiZYkmlJwKaito Ono is a shootboxing guy that comes into kickboxing every now and againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbchVGoSokYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd-3Y-UUgJ4This weekend RISE put on a card with a lot of really good fights. You can watch them for free on abema.tv if you have a japanese vpn. If not they will be on youtube in a few days. Kazuki Osaki fought Jin Mandokoro, both guys are really good. Taiga fought Daniel Puertas. Taiga has had a complete career resurgence recently which is cool. Taiju Shiratori who is also really good was on the card, as well as Taiju Shiratori. The first fight between Kazuki Osaki and Jin Mandokorohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkWZvlbXkJkAlso a few cool fights from both guys:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG0yo9RkqcAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcUSPZFc56Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGuaPOV61UYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syeX0-gNq2ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sel4HZDFnPQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS5YRLO0o-gAnd some cool fights from the other guys on the cardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpaJIjwkvKIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzte9jQY5XAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O5BedCutS8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoDvrRy2sCYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoDvrRy2sCY
>>201226continuingsome more cool guys are Taito Gunji, Keisuke Monguchi (these two recently fought), Hirotaka Asahisa (brother of previously mentioned Taio), Hideaki Yamazaki and Kento Haraguchi.Some of their fights.Taito Gunji:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdPG73PHdWkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLQ1vQOr9xUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyvEjKtgl2oKeisuke Monguchihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRuSYJP_3PUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-90yc91VYEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI4CNMEKpt8Hirotaka Asahisahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7Dh2cAymMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsb6FsPamwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjuLAJDEk3ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smziiEG5aEYHideaki Yamazakihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DUqMqarUk0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reAU1alUdQQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBHZzbt4Bxkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds3s24oGaWIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWbQeXupWWUKento Haraguchihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKJruCb-MkQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrknK0UWSMAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXHwzVjf6dQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQOIJlbiL0
>>201226continuingI somehow forgot to mention Tenshin and Takeru. They fought each other in 2022 in one of the biggest kickboxing fights ever. Takeru came into the fight with a win streak going back to 2012 (the loss in 2012 was mostly due to a bad ref). And Tenshin came in with an undefeated 43-0 record. This event filled the Tokyo Dome (56000 people) and the gate was (allegedly) 25 million usd, in a sport where the pay is infamously pretty bad. A bit weird but both guys also have really cool nicknames, Takeru "Natural Born Crusher" and Tenshin "The strongest high schooler".Anyway the event was called THE MATCH 2022, and they stacked the card with all the best fighters, most of whom i have linked or mentioned previously.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenshin_Nasukawa_vs._Takeru link to the fight card if you want to see it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9h-3KvBRwwThe fight was cool but for some reason they made the biggest fight in the sports history a 3-rounder.
>>201226Some more cool fights/fighters that popped into my headAkihiro Kaneko, one of the best and most exciting guys in his division right now, 21-2 record having avenged both losses recently.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=852aqlG24OIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrbcFyo7Rkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKlWz1-5GGAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIMMRq3ElKQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PAK8ILO-6chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UoMiC6RQEsRukiya Anpohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdolP6utRhQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rciIwpxOsPwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOL7lgqQWJshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3oLHRWaagchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erZ0Og725ZEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPhuzYb1yt0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glx_1O_dkJ0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8sMRyIdSuQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=messDncimv0YA-MAN is completely insane but very fun. Also participated in the funniest fight i remember seeinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-kExOIu3Po
Always partial to Yuki Egawa; he's what I call an intelligent pressure fighter. He doesn't just bum rush head-on but stalks his prey and whittles them down.
>>201432I know his name but I don't think I've seen him fight before. Any you'd recommend?
>>201329no.1 p4p no doubt
>>201668delusional
>>202880Who is better?
>>202476Gay
>>203285Allazov
>>203487beastdo you have the full fight ser?
>>203401Why?
>>204325Thaicels seething
>>204466Elbows and clinch allowed?
>>192122>>192187I'm more interested in the fact that they don't have arms. What's the source for this image.
>>204478yeah it's muay thai rules
>>190586As someone who did muay thai, the music is big gay. The people who enjoy it are the thai version of weebs
>>204522https://x.com/_sensoGowang/status/1514048511792193544
>>204325As much as love MT and everything it's done to redefine every branch of modern kickboxing I feel like it's getting outpaced in modern times, in many ways due to the modern ruleset that scores punching so low
>>204695It took them like 50 years to finally be their equal
>>204881The fuck are you talking about? Japan was the first nation to compete against Muay Thai and they've had several fighters ranked in Lumpini and Rajadamner rankings like Toshio Fujiwara, Mitsuo Shima, Igari Genshu, and Yasuo Tabata. Fujiwara was the 1st foreigner to win a stadium title (Rajadamnern lightweight) while Shima won a world MT title in bantamweight that Thailand hosted in the early 70's. Japan has more stadium titles than any other country; only France comes close. And plenty of Japanese have also won WMC, WPMF, and WBC Muay Thai belts too.
>>204861Scoring never really mattered in striking sports if your "low scoring" style knocks the opponent out.
>>205326Wangchannoi is a good example of this
>>203499https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ercwvkScpc8
>>203759Allazov's division is more stacked
>>212246Glorious King Takeru <3. Hope he smashes Roddy
>>211347Under 53kg is better than 70kg
>>199816>their third fight of the night.jesus christ thats crazy
Where can i watch k1 events live?
>>212345Big copium m8. Both no1 and 2 p4p rn are 70kg. The division still has a lineage from sitthichai and marat grigorian going way back with petrosyan
>>212423Japanese promoters are a bit retarded at the moment so it's hard to watch outside Japan. But when they're not sperging out you typically watch on abema.tv or fite.tv/triller.
>>212422Kickboxers are a different breed. Fighting their guts out in all-action fights and getting paid pennies for it
>>212543Marat and Sitthichai are both very past their prime. p4p mean nothing especially Beyond Kicks rankings, they keep moving Rico up despite doing nothing and Shiro doesn't get a spot for beating a p4p holder. BK rankings are pointless. There are some really promising fighters coming up in 70kg but at the moment 53 is way more competitive because everyone is still young and in their prime
>>212829Sitthichai is old man now but Marat still has it. Shiro just won but he hasn't fought division top dog kaneko just yet. Rico went up because Toki Tamaru lost his place. Tbh I hate heavyweights now too. I ignore every p4p ranking above 80kg. I'm watching the Chinese guys and what business does Tawanchai have in the top 10 for the division, all he did was fight eternal competitor Jo Nattawut to 2 very close decisions. 53kg division isn't strong p4p because their are 3 potential champs for every belt, can't be p4p top dog when you can't even dominate your division.
>>213105Based take on anything over 80kg. I think 53kg fighters should be ranked higher precisely because they can't dominate the division. I think it shows how strong the division is that there isn't a 100% clear number one. Maybe I'm also partial to the traditional meaning of p4p rather than it being a ranking of accomplishments
A few bangers from the 29/9 k-1 event:Yuki Yoza vs Petchdam Petchyindeehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvi91GdX-sTaito Gunji vs Takumi Teradahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReprdUK5t_0Lyra Nagasaka vs Koji Ikedahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXLYCA_m3o0
>>214160Taio Asahisa my beloved <3
Idk if this question belongs here, but where do I watch old kickboxing matches from the late 60s til the 2000s? Does anyone have torrents of those? Any promotion/ruleset is fine, I wanna watch them all anyway.
>>214596J-kick aficionado hereIt's gonna be close to impossible to find the 60's, 70's, and 80's footage of All Japan Kick Boxing Association and Japan Kick Boxing Association as well as lesser organizations. There's a huge mess over who owns the distribution rights. You're best bet is to find individual fighters like Toshio Fujiwara or Igari Genshu. Youtube has some 90's and 00's footage of All Japan Kickboxing Federation (the reincarnation of All Japan Kick Boxing Association) and Shin (means new in Japanese) Nihon Kickboxing Association (the resurrection of the old Japan Kick Boxing Association. Just look them up with their full names or acronyms (AJKF, SNKA) and you'll find footage.
>>214696Would you happen to have any torrents of those?
ONE is a terrible promotion, but at least they'll let us watch Masaaki Noiri murder a pedophile
>>215640man that is nasty as fuck, was the guy ok?
