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discuss martial arts here

Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/8Vw9d7j

What to look for in a martial arts gym:
>Physically conditioned, fit participants
>Trainer with certified professional record and a training history with at least one athlete who competes successfully
>Sparring, "aliveness" in training
>At least one participant competes at amateur or professional level
>Clean facility with mats that are frequently sanitized

What to be wary of:
>Fat, physically subpar students
>Graduation fees (e.g. "pay $200 and advance to next belt extra quick!")
>No proven athletes training there
>No sparring, moves shown are choreographed (e.g. "the attacker does this, then I do this, then you do this...")
>Cult-like atmosphere
>long mandatory contracts with hefty fees for breaking

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I have done some Krav Maga, Boxing, BJJ and now Muay Thai. Muay Thai and boxing are what I have enjoyed the most by far and it keeps me the most fit so I am sticking with them. I sucked at BJJ and it was expensive as fuck. Boxing is cheap and I am getting so much fucking fitter and tougher from the training.


Obviously, apart from Muay Thai, a lot of traditional martial arts have been shown to be less than practical in competition (UFC and all that). I still sort of like the movement of arts like Wing Chun - it looks cool against the dummy even if a good boxer/MT fighter would knock them out quickly.


Would like to try a little bit of a TMA that looked cool just for the experience.
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What sort of exercise equipment would you have in your ideal martial arts home gym?
Obvious ones like a heavy bag, pull up bar, bench, kettlebells.
Any rarer interesting ones? Indian clubs. Wing Chun dummy. Iranian shield of zoorkhaneh
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I'm thinking of kungfuing my way to the top.
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>>237846
h-haiyaa..!?
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Martial arts were not made by Christians, they need no further comment to tell they are rubbish.
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>>237846
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1752800802450735.webm
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>know this boomer
>when he was a kid, he did combat sport martial arts like boxing and judo for a little while
>in his teens/early 20s, he started doing traditional arts
>he seems to have swallowed a lot of their mystical shit and refuses to question it
>even though he didn't do any of them for particularly long, and he hasn't practiced at any actual place of training in about 40 years or more, he still thinks he's a legend
>is overly critical and disrespectful of anything other than the arts he did when he was younger (seems like a common trait among traditional martial artists)
>thinks he's a deadly weapon - tells people he can kill them with his thumb, that type of shit
>one time we were discussing martial arts (his wish, not mine, obviously)
>the subject of kicking range and people kicking mid-air comes up
>he had done one of these arts that includes that shit
>if he had just told me that he's trained to do jumping kicks/mid-air kicks, it would have been fine
>instead he tells me, "i can fly"
>"i can fly"
What gets me is that this isn't even that unique. I've met a few boomers over the years who got swallowed up by the mysticism of traditional martial arts that were more popular between the 60s and the 80s. It's like they keep bragging to try and stay relevant in a world that's quickly forgetting about them and they refuse to join in. I realise it wouldn't be easy for them to spend years on this stuff, only to be confronted with the notion that maybe a lot of it wasn't what they were originally sold. But why do they do this? Despite what they say, they obviously care what other people think. Or they wouldn't spend so much time and energy arguing their point and bragging. Like the guy I know clearly wants to teach me, but they job he's done of presenting it has completely talked me out of it, and he can't figure out why. Even after I've told him.
Has anyone else encountered this?
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I found out where my sister's rapist lives so this is my plan:

1)Dress up as a delivery man then knock on the door.

2)When he answers throw the fake package in his face then superman punch to blast double.

3)Kneebar both legs until the toes are touching the hip. Straight ankle lock both feet until the sole of the foot is touching the calf. Calf slice both legs until the heel is touching the butt. Inside and outside heel hook both feet 360°. Lateral kneebar both legs until the foot is touching the hip.

4)Kimura and americana both arms 360°. Wrist lock both wrists in multiple directions until the hand is being held on just by skin. Armbar both arms until the pinky is touching the rear delt. Bicep slice both arms until the forearm is floppy.

5)Banana split and suloev stretch both legs until I hear a rip. Twister both directions until I hear a crack. Jumping knee on belly until all ribs are broken. Sprinting soccer kicks until the balls are ruptured.
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>>237834
things I own

>heavy bag
>speed bag
>homemade double end bag
>pull up bar
>gymnastic rings
>kettlebells
>bulgarian bags
>macebells

things I want

>iranian shields
>iranian steel bow
>greek halteres
>throwing dummy
>assault bike
>row machine
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Actual martial artists who have been here since /asp/ hang out in the better discord server: https://discord.gg/htTB7dsawH
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>>238899
No we don't, tranny.
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>>228606
>What to be wary of
>moves shown are choreographed (e.g. "the attacker does this, then I do this, then you do this...")
Is this regarding choreographed drills that are thought of as set-in-stone, like "attacker does a jab, you parry, they they cross, you parry again and then return a cross - this will always work."...? Or is it even regarding variables / what-ifs, like "attacker jabs, you can do a/b/c, or if they jab/cross, you can do x/y/z"?
I know sparring is a pressure test and sometimes the things you've learned can go out the window in the heat of the moment, but how the hell are you gonna get muscle memory (especially lower ranks) if you don't practice something a lot like a choreographed drill?
I agree that you can't be thinking that drills need to be set-in-stone, there is a counter for everything. But sometimes it's good to keep a static drill set if you want to build muscle memory.
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>>242828
there's no such thing as muscle memory in an unstable system
it's not like they keys of a piano that will always be in the same place and make the same sound each time, every moment in fighting is novel and dynamic with little predictability

the skill is in developing the ability to quickly attune to affordances and act upon them decisively
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who actually won this fight?
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>>242829
Okay so how are the skills developed if the OP is saying to be wary of choreographed moves? Maybe it just needs to be worded better because it almost looks like that encompasses drill sets, or even kata. Maybe it needs to say "No sparring / choreographed sparring (e.g. "the attacker does this, then I do this, then you do this...")".

Regarding muscle memory, I understand what you mean for fine motor skill movements. For gross motor skill movements, muscle memory is basically another word for a knee-jerk reaction. The skill can be developed the same way as you said, but sometimes it's also about breaking bad habits.
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>>242852
Everything that can be done live needs to be done live as much as possible
There's some required work around like hitting pads because you can't wallop a real person all the time, But tools like that should be used as sparingly as you can get away with

Get in there and just practice touching someone without getting touched or grabbing someone and knocking them over without getting knocked over
The only way to get good at a thing is to do the thing
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>>242854
The only way? So are you saying you don't find value in drill sets? Genuinely interested.
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>>242855
You can practice specific skills but the result it what matters not how you get there
So you create the scenario, start with someone hugging around your waist and the goal is break the grips and turn to face them
Or start laying on the ground with someone standing over you, get back to your feet and don't let them touch your face or pin you

Just do it live, run the scenarios for real every time. There's no benefit in scripting it and practicing cooperatively because that's just one hypothetical reaction out of infinite things that could happen
Your best use of time is getting used to all the chaotic variables so you can quickly adapt to the changing environment
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>>242858
>There's no benefit in scripting it and practicing cooperatively because that's just one hypothetical reaction out of infinite things that could happen
I agree it's non-beneficial if that's all you do, and there is no progression to higher intensity, but not everyone can learn something new by constantly being thrown in the deep end. You can also fine tune the techniques if you slow it down, you can hammer it in by drilling it, and then definately test it live as you say. Hell, even test it with multiple attackers with plastic knives while protecting someone.
Besides, the whole conversation is regarding what to be wary of when looking for a gym. If I was a beginner with zero experience or confidence and I joined a muay thai club, and they showed me all the techniques and then said to only practice during full on sparring, what do you think is going to happen?
I get your point that you need to do real meaningful training, but it's a skill that needs to be developed safely over time and adjusted through experience.
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It's funny how after enjoying aikido for the large part of my adult life, brainlets and "MA-bros" everywhere tell me im a cult and that i am being "brainwashed" into thinking about how effective it would be in a "real fight" etc.

When all i wanna do is practice, get better, have fun, stay fit, become spiritually fulfilled and so much more. I've traveled in Japan training in various dojo's, I always meet the nicest people and i love my life. And i have a lot to thank aikido for. What are your thoughts on this? I share this with so many other aikidoka. The reason i write this is i wanna convey that people's reasons for training are varied. I hope i don't come across as condescending either, i respect other arts and i realize im not really "useful in a fight" which is how most people i practice with see it too. But why should we look down on ourselves? Aikido is a mirror sometimes. It detect your intent and if your intent is becoming a "fighting machine" you're gonna think it's stupid. I hope some of you understand what im trying to get at.



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