Is 24 too old to go pro in MMA? I've been a miserable loser all my life and if I succeeded in this, could I retroactively justify the pain or something? My stats>5'11", natural light or welterweight>between 183-185cm wingspan>roughly intermediate or above strength on all major lifts>sadly no wrestling in high school (no bitches either)>trained for a year in the past, went all in on striking and picked up some grappling/jiu jitsu too>lonely, isolated friendless khhv for years nowI don't even care about my life anymore, this could be the only thing that could justify my existence. But I fear I'll never be able to catch up to the ones who went all in from birth.
>>230985UFC? ProbablyLow-mid level promotions, maybe even international fights? Completely possiblet. also 24, ammy boxer turned ammy kickboxer and wants to make it to k1 and get jap pussyWAGMI fag
>>230989>probablySo there IS a chance, no matter how small? I know my odds are slim, but I wanna give it my best go while I'm still young. I realized I'm not immortal, as sad as it is. That 1 in a million chance I have enough talent to compensate for age is major hopium/copium.I know I'm likely screwed but dreams can keep a person alive long past the point where they'd kill themselves otherwise. Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will do that move to me where they teep you into the ropes and then knee you on the bounce back and crack your ribs and puncture your lungs and kills you. That's about the highest note I could expect to end this life on.
go for it anon! don't live life with regrets. if you fail, you fail, but at least you know you tried
You need to stop having these faggy fantasies at your age and get real. "I wanna be a rockstar!" type of thinking is okay when you're 16, not when you're a grown man. If you had what it took you'd be training right now instead of making a thread like this on a Siamase yak breeding forum. Go train for a year or two, do a an amateur bout and if that doesn't strip you off your delusions then you can begin thinking about whether or not you want to take this more seriously.
>>230985Pereira went pro as a kickboxer in his mid-20s and moved to MMA in his 30sYour odds are really slim but it's not unheard of
>>230985No. Save yourself the CTE. Fighters are born knowing if they want to fight and 24 is too old to get into that mentality if it didn't exist already. If you already have that aggressiveness and tested yourself before then go for it. But your post reeks of depression, depressed fighters will never be successful.
>>231090you're a fucking loser anon , a retard like you never achieved anything in your faggot life
>>230985You're probably never going to be a professional athlete, no. However, the same applies to nearly everyone on the planet - it isn't a black mark against you. Your problem is that you think you need to be someone special, someone above-average or extraordinary, in order to have any value or self-worth at all. This simply isn't true. It's absolutely fine to be an average man. It's fine to go through life without fame or riches or exceptional talent, and this is the reality that the majority of people live. To find contentment and satisfaction in life, you need to learn how to accept yourself for who you are, rather than try and be someone you aren't.
>>231166>It's absolutely fine to be an average man. It's fine to go through life without fame or riches or exceptional talent, and this is the reality that the majority of people live. To find contentment and satisfaction in life, you need to learn how to accept yourself for who you are, rather than try and be someone you aren't.grim (but for OP, almost certainly true)
>>230985>i want to become a fighter because i want to succeed at somethingYou need to find better motivation than that, even if it's "I don't want to go back to that life"
>>230985A lot of mma fighters start late, usually because they train other styles when young. Ngannou for instance only started training boxing at 22 and would later start MMA at 27 or so. Other guys start in their career later, like Randy Couture at the age of 33 or Stephen Thompson at 29, but they had experience in other styles, namely Wrestling and Kickboxing for Couture and Thompson. Basically it doesn't matter the age someone starts MMA. However I doubt you could go pro, from how it sounds, you seem disinterested in the sport, only wanting to achieve something to not be a bum, as opposed to having actual passion or drive.
Biologically? No. Not too late. MMA in particular is a sport with huge variance due to its extremely open ruleset. You can probably get good at some weird tactic and win fights. Do you actually want to get hit in the head though? Most fighters have some kind of troubled home life or just insane aggressive drive that makes them want to fuck shit up and shrug off damage. Sensitive young men are typically terrible fighters. And since you're posting guts on 4chan that's probably you. By all means, prove me wrong. But if you taste blood and decide it isn't for you, no shame in that. There's other paths to self-fulfillment. If you're not a fighter that's not a big deal. Most of us just train for fun. Ok wait I just finished reading your post. I'll try to save you some time. You probably won't listen but I'll try. Nothing will justify your misspent past. You are going to have to decide to move on and live authentically.
>>230998>>231000>>231057>>231090Though I've kept silent, I haven't ignored this thread since I made it. The posters here gave me a lot to chew on. I of course am depressed, but there's a heavy side of extremely repressed aggression to go along with, which might actually be the root of said depression. Probably from my shittt home life. Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy doesn't sound nearly as bad as Chronic Traumatic Incelalopathy. I've lived life as a loser and even still I want to compensate for the past and steal back some kind of future for myself rather than cower in fear forever. Maybe since I'm braver now, I'll be able to train, spar, and fight better since I'm honest with myself about my mortality. All I've really got is grit and a sad sort of stoicism in me, though I do hope I have some talent, whether in striking power, cardio, reflexes, or innately superior kinesthetic learning rate and retention.And yeah, I secretly want the recognition, and the riches and the bitches too. Every man wants that deep down even if he doesn't say it out loud. Since there's no hope of getting tight young hot pussy forever otherwise, I must succeed so I can gorge myself on pussy like a dog that's been starved lifelong only to be thrown into a room filled with infinite prime cut steak.
>>231166>>231176>>231183>>231303>>231322People above seemed to sort of dog pile onto the idea that I don't care about the sport but I've never cared about any sport at all save for the vague idea I had in my head since I was a kid that fighting could be something I really truly care for. On the point of troubled past, my home life has always been shit and you all already know how my social life has gone. That anger has always simmered inside me below the surface, but I've always bit my tongue and held it back. I'd like a place where I can cut loose. In the past 5 years, the time in my kickboxing gym might've been the only time I was happy. I don't know what that guy means by living authentically but this might be my only real way of living authentically. I quit my shitty job and tomorrow's my last day, I'm looking at flights to run off to Thailand and try chasing the dream because I've spent the past decade rotting in my room, so I might as well show the world that I do exist and am worth something.https://voca.ro/1n0j7q4FjZQ8
You got psyopped into thinking anybody gives a shit about fighters past a short highlight reel and then they go back to being broke nobodies They are jesters jumping around for our amusement.. and you aspire to be like that because the TV and internet told you so! Lmao!Sad. Many such cases!
>>231780>thisJust go to college or get a blue-collar job to make some money OP. Bitches will come this way too and that seems to be what you really want. This way you don't get CTE for no reason.Keep fighting as a hobby.
>>231780KEKKEKK>>232067I already went to college and got the fake and gay tech degree lrn2code meme paper, but of course the economy went to shit as soon as I graduated. I don't know if I have it in me to pivot to blue collar or even just other fields in general since I've been a loser all my life and the losses stack up to demoralize you over time. I don't have any actual skills other than drawing, some MMA, video editing, programming and being a cringelord. Brvtal stuff.I might just follow through on the Thailand vacation because I could afford to stay for a while with my savings. Fight a few times if only for fun and so I have the experience, and maybe continue if I find I do have some special talent bestowed upon me from the heavens. What other prospects do I have?
nomma it's for bums in general
>>230985Why do you fucking retards ask other fucking retards questions like this? Go to a gym. Practice the martial arts. See if you even like training as often and intensely as it takes to get decent. Most people do not like martial arts enough to be even a shitty local pro, much less a serious regional or national level competitor. Along the months or years that it takes you to figure it out, you’ll make friends, get in better shape, build confidence, and gain the other intangibles that most people take from the hobbies they enjoy. Then, around the time you get your BJJ blue belt, you’ll quit. You’ll tell all your idiot friends you “used to be a fighter,” and they will listen to your ice cold takes at Hooters on UFC fight nights like you’re Joe Rogan himself.
>>231165No assclown, you sound like a little bitch who has never trained in his life. If someone taps your jaw your asshole would bleed.
>>232756>>232800>>233007Yeah, so I booked a flight and now we're doing the muay thai arc. I might rope after all this desu
>>234137After your muay thai arc go stay at the Kodokan Institute and train judo. You can get through the full basic curriculum in a year and the have a cheap hostel for guests.
>>234148Would the Nipponese visa issue not be a problem? You can only stay like 3 months as a filthy gaijin american. Plus it'd be more expensive. Maybe if I can find a type of remote income. Or I could try Dagestan if the gay war stops
>>234502I've heard of people entering Japan to train on tourist visas and then applying for cultural visas to extend their stay once they can show they've been training a certain number of days per week. I don't know what that process looks like and I don't know if the Kodokan provides any assistance in getting that all figured out. >Plus it'd be more expensive~$946.54/month for hostel and tuition plus a one-time ~$55 membership fee if I'm reading all this correctly:https://kdkjd.org/kodokan-hostel/https://kdkjd.org/%e5%85%a5%e9%96%80%e6%89%8b%e7%b6%9a%e3%81%8d/
>>230985>be me>have god genetics 99.75th percentile reach @ my height AND the no calves gene>trained from a young age at the same gym that produced one of the goats of ufc before it was famous.>also be me>prime fighting age when ufc was in its infancy and you were lucky to be able to buy a 10 year old used toyota corolla with a year's payLOL it still pays like shit for most fighters. no regrets not pursuing combat sports as a career and keeping it to a hobby/self defense thing.
>>234596I will look into it for the future. Perhaps judo will compliemnet my striking enough to make me a champion. Or I could always try to go to Dagestan, slavic chimpout war be damned. The training here is pretty good and the trainer even trained one of the best fighters in Thailand in the best, and has like 100 fights himself.>>235165Brvtal blackpill. Even one of the guys I met here said 20 is too old, let alone 24. I will do my best nevertheless and hope prior experience and familiarity combined with the grueling training, discipline, and technical instruction might bridge the gap if only somewhat. I am enjoying sparring here a lot. I have only gotten stoned twice and my buddy I met here and I are looking to cut that shit out in a few days so we can lock in on training fully
>>236487>only gotten stoned twiceyou're not gonnaa make it. give up and go home faggot
>>236487>Even one of the guys I met here said 20 is too old, let alone 24.Thai fighters have a reputation for getting too busted up to continue fighting past 19 or 20.
>>230985Just listened to your vocaroo.Go to Mt. Vernon, IL and go to Pedigo Submission Fighting (PSF) headquarters. It's one of the premier submission grappling gyms in the world, and it's a lot closer than Thailand or Dagestan. They allow fighters to live and sleep in the gym, and they specialize in fucked up broken boys such as yourself.You'll need a very strong grappling base to succeed in MMA, and PSF was founded by an MMA guy, so they can prepare you for that sport. IMHO striking is easier to add in after. Grappling takes more time to get familiar with, so start there. Also, frankly, grappling is more demoralizing when first starting out, so get through those fire and flames early and get it over with. You MUST go through this process in order to succeed.
>>236542Update this thread when you're in Mt. Vernon.
>>236542Either this or go with those CWS catch wrestling guys. >>236544He probably roped already kek
>>230985Go probin MMA? Probably too late yeah. I trained BJJ as a hobbyists at a very respectable MMA gym in my city and there were a lot of pro fighters there, some retired, some in PFL, one guy in the UFC currently, Bellator, etc. also amateurs of course, the head coach was a retired UFC fighter. What I learned was a lot of these guys would absolutely wreck dudes in the gym and they seemed like they were Hercules, and when you looked up their record on sherdog, it was more losses than wins. My point in this is, the talent pool for MMA is much deeper than most casuals like myself realize. But OP, if you want to just become more satisfied in life, have a purpose, motivation, etc, your goal shouldn’t be to be a pro MMA fighter, it should be to just train MMA, not even necessarily to fight on an amateur and pro level. Just training might give you what you’re looking for. From what Ive seen, the life of a professional MMA fighter isn’t something to be jealous of.
>>230985>But I fear I'll never be able to catch up to the ones who went all in from birth.This is just your ego talking. You want to be better than everyone else, when in fact you should only be striving to become better than you are now.Every day you are better than your yesterday self is a victory.If this is not enough for you, then maybe the problem isn't what you do, but the way your mind works. You will be perpetually looking for outside approval, but even when you do get it, it will never be enough.This is the same reason why so many rockstars and other famous people ended up dying by OD. They couldn't cope with a life that's lower than their highest heights of attention by the crowds, so they used drugs to keep experiencing something similar.All this is to say that you should first work on having a good dopamine baseline, and to begin by learning to derive happiness from within yourself, instead of others.
>>236685That's basically why Rhonda Rousey crashed out of Olympic judo and the UFC. She was chasing titles and couldn't cope with not getting them.
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>>230985Thank you for making this thread. Our stats are basically the same and I feel the same way you do. If you do go through with this, don't be too hard on yourself if you aren't an elite S tier mma god. Most of us aren't.
>>236668>>236707>>238575I am back with a pitiful update and an apology for wasting you guys' time. So I was training for a bit then I got staph. Then after recovering I trained again, this time harder, only to get it again. And then when I was all set to fight in a week, I got it for the third time in like the span of 40 days. And so, I have to renege on my wannabe fight career before it even began.I know it's horrible and I feel bad I made all you guys get even the slightest bit invested, because I really wanted to come back here once I fought and tell you all about it, good or bad, just to show skmething for the first time in my life. But through either a mixture of sheer bad luck (my friend said this was likely part of it) or subhuman genes that are super susceptible to this type of disease and might be colonized by it or whatever (friend said this is possible too), I have to step back for likely indefinitely to heal fully, unless I want to give myself pestilence just out of ego. I was really close to fighting too, just one week out and I think my fitness levels were showing it (115/60 blood pressure, 55bpm pulse, fast recovery in between rounds). But it just wasn't in the cards.
>>240359I can't make any excuses here so I accept responsibility for my ignorance in thinking I could be a fighter. Easier said than done. Ive been up for hours all night as my fighter friend, who mogs me in life exp despite being much younger, will be taking psychedelics in like an hour and I agreed to trip sit him or whatever. I might try them myself at some point if they really do prove to have any sort of therapeutic benefit. But I'm also aware I'm not really the responsible type or whatever. And anon was right, I have for example much more talent as an artist or some type of creative but even if I succeed in it, I will likely feel only further despair as the bottomless pit of insecurity and self loathing that makes up my core is actually visible to my friend. He remarked basically how he can kind of see several issues in me that I try to push away out of sight and pretend don't exist. So maybe I have my work cut out for me. I won't dwell on it much today though as I don't want to ruin his trip.
>>240359You can recover while drilling solo and staying clean. It's not over until you decide it's over.
>>240360>>240359For now it wasn't in the cards. Post your discord and we can discuss some things. What was your diet like?
>>240364>Post your discord and we can discuss some thingsDo not groom Anon into trying to be a Thai ladyboy.
>>240365Not doing that, I'd like to keep to up to date on his training, tell him about my own, and teach him about some good supplements. Made some strides in my own MMA training, doing the full stack on lat pull-ups for reps, doing one-arm pullups, doing CoC 2 for 10 reps, people have been calling me freakishly strong and I've manhandled guys 2-3 weight classes above me in grappling. Haven't gotten sick either for the past 2 years, I attribute that to my diet and some supplements I'd like to tell him about.
>>240363I will likely revisit the sport at some point once I'm better but I'll most definitely be taking at least a several week long absence from fitness altogether as the doctor warned me about sweating as well as the possibility of antibiotics losing their power if this keeps happening. Also I turn 25 in a few short months so it is slowly edging towards being over whether I want to admit it or not.>>240364Discord is transientcynic, I likely won't respond all day as I'll be watching my friend like I said.My diet was actually better than ever once I'd committed fully to training properly. Some dried fruit and salted nuts with chocolate milk for a light breakfast before morning class, then one of those cheap chicken and rice places where they give you the broth or whatever on the side for lunch, and this chicken and rice stirfry with an omelet for dinner is what I was eating basically every day, with electrolytes and Gatorade mixed in to make up for the sweat (a round of cramps taught me a lot) and also supplemented with some miscellaneous fruits or smoothies or 7/11 vitamin c shots or whatever for extra nutrients and crap. I was making little adjustments over time but then of course it all got shot down. I will try to keep pushing forward but I am cumulatively fatigued and demoralized by life and it sadly is plain to even the thai shop owners when I hang out with my friend during smoke sessions. Perhaps the saddest part of it is my friend smokes all the time, eats and sleeps whatever or whenever and still is pretty good for a fighter with potential at his young age. I don't resent him for it, just a pang of wanting.
>>240366Is there a reason you don't want to tell the rest of /xs/? What are you hiding, discordtranny anon?
you need three things 2 fight. the first you can actually lose young, your fitness. If you get injured when you're young you're fucked. Sports is an event so you gotta prepare and sometimes you will go get fucked instead. And you have to be able to take a hit or a slam. Don't take an extended elbow though. Flexibility is good do train for that, but don't literally break your elbows of course. Growing up wrestling or fighting can be good but again may not mean much other than getting injured. Fighting is fun first, all sports are. People get together and punch each other and you are always welcome to join. 24 is starting to push it with being pro because you do need to be good to go pro and being good takes time sometimes so if you are starting at 24 you'd need to be really good.
>>230985>can it be doneIt does not violate the rules of the sport nor physics>is it likely doable It probably is not unless the background you came from is transferable. That might look like >you’re an ex-wrestler in high school who played college football>you’ve been no-lifing in the gym for the last 8 years.>you trained boxing since you were six and run track, but haven’t done any formal fightzProfessional fighters win and lose on the strength of their body and their fight skills. If you have neither, you probably can’t roll with them and have too much catch-up to do in something that’s very much a young man’s game.
>>240360Your friend sounds like an abusive cunt who reinforces your negative self-talk and keeps you locked into a perpetual cycle of self-pity and misery. Pretty typical fighter personality desu. I don't know your whole life but at the very least you shouldn't tolerate this treatment.
>>230985I'm in the same situation OP.Completely untrained and out of shape at 35 I'm thinking in 2 years I'll be able to join the UFC
>>240422>>240452After my own mushroom trip I did a whole lot of reflecting on my own life and what I want out of it, and what I'm doing now. The actual trip itself was pure euphoria all the way through, but afterwards I thought a lot, and just kept thinking. Combat sports are fascinating but I do not truly no if I could dedicate my life to it, especially after the trip when I found a lot of inner fears and doubts were soothed and subdued. Of course, I plan to return to the sport at some point because I at least want to get that one sole fight out of the way so I can have the experience in my lifetime of what it's like to rely on only myself, and maybe take it further or even the furthest if I find I'm preternaturally talented in it, but the current situation demands recovery of me, and so I'll be moving on to travel elsewhere in Thailand and SEA and maybe even outside of it for a while as I soul search more intensively. I appreciate all who responded.>>240522I need to argue against this as I don't think it's true at all anymore, especially after the psychedelic. I realized I was truly grateful I could have any friend at all, and I often made up mistaken judgements regarding him or projected inner fears onto interactions that I was hyper sensitive to. In all, I don't think your comment is true at all but I value that you also took my at the time point of view seriously.
>>230985Never to late!!!I was close to fight for the one FC at 33 but than COVID happened, so is never to late
>>230985Nah man never too late. If CatTurd could win 40 barfights you can do it.
I'm 28, always been a couch lardass, if I begin now will I ever be good enough to learn ma for self defense?
>>241004Yes. Learn how to fight with a pistol, too.
>>241005Nice. Maybe against a gun, firearms are illegal where I live except for hunting rifles
>>241007If the legal risk of being armed were greater than the physical risk of being unarmed I probably wouldn't carry a pistol, either. How are other weapon and self-defense laws? Unarmed combat in a self-defense scenario often determines who gets to have the advantage in the imminent armed combat so arming yourself ahead of time can be advantageous.
>>241010The reason I want to learn unarmed ma is because the laws here are retarded.You can carry certain types of knives that are deemed "not weapons" as tools. You can have bats or other things you could use only for sports purposes. In a home intrusion scenario it is illegal to physically harm the intruder in any way unless you have been evidently physically harmed yourself first (so even if he has a knife, unless you have been stabbed you will go to jail for punching the guy who has invaded your home to rob you)I don't have a problem doing life for protecting my family with a hunting shotgun that I will get at some point, but for myself I'd rather punch or render someone unconscious in self sefense rather than kill, for a more tolerable punishment.
