I hate group pictures so fucking much
Who are these even for?

>>234880
ppl in the front row did a blue belt test (3 hour hazing)
random rickson gracie affiliate in missouri that does this

>>234883
And what's the end game for big rig over on the left
Can he even do any jiujitsu beyond lay on top of someone and americana?

I've been in so many of these gay pictures against my will
>Everyone get together
>Come on guys we need some people in the front
>hey where's Jimmy?
>He's getting changed
>hey Jimmy don't get dressed yet we're taking a picture get back out here!
>He's already in street clothes
>it's ok just get in there
>Ok everyone squish together a little more
>Haha Brian squat down a little you're way too tall next to Joey
>fumbles with the phone trying to get it to sit upright against the opposite wall
>I'll go take the picture if you want
>No you're in the picture I'll take care of it
>grabs random kid that doesn't even do jiujitsu and is only there because dad is supposed to be watching him
>Hey you're in this too get over here haha
>Ok are we smiling or mean mugging?
>sets the countdown timer and runs to the group
>only set it for 3 seconds and doesn't make it in time
>sorry wait everyone don't go anywhere we have to do it again
>sets it for 10 seconds this time
>checks it
>ah its a little crooked, should we do another?...no actually its fine I'll just fix it later
>87% chance the picture never even gets posted
EVERY FUCKING TIME

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>>234880
i had all my gym's group pictures printed out and glued them together into one big framed compilation that i have hanging on my wall
pictures are a nice memory, lots of faces in there i havent seen in years
usually takes 10-20 seconds max, not sure why it would be such a project like >>234889 posted
we only take a handful of pictures a year so its hardly a nuisance

>>234891
The jiujitsu phenotype is the worst, I don't want pictures of wrinkled baldies

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>the brazilian is jewish

>>234889
>And what's the end game for big rig over on the left

He's already a black belt so teach once a week and lay on people, idk, I saw him compete once and he couldn't really move or do anything.

>>234891
That's cool, I have a bunch saved digitally but I probably won't ever print them or do anything with them except for something like my first stripe or whatever

>>234976
That's what I don't get
You could just bloatmaxx so you're physique is outside natural human proportions and jiujitsu no longer works on you and that makes you a black belt even though you can't do any moves yourself?

I was rolling with this gelatinous Majin buu motherfucker and when I framed his non-newtonian gristle rolls just seeped through the spaces like a motherfucking T-1000 and assimilated me into the biomass
Nigga you ever try to do jiujiitsu against a memory foam mattress?
Shit don't work

>>234988
Here's an interview w/ him https://youtu.be/Zr7h2-rjMwc?si=h4uP-VykmagSJvR_

Why is safety not a priority in this sport?
People seem to not give a shit about serious injuries and go out of their way to cause them

>>234997
Bjj is a pump and dump crypto scam, the never ending revolving door of white belts keeps the business running

>>234997
>Why is safety not a priority in this sport?

Good question. They need to teach basic like like don't push/pull someone kneeling directly backwards because it will fuck up their knees.

Rolling puts people into a fight or flight mode, there's an adrenalin dump where you ignore pain, you're incentivized to keep showing up even when you're hurt. I got hurt and quit a gym and now that guy is a complete asshole to me.

>>234997
very gym and training partner dependent question
never had anyone try to intentionally injure me

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>>234876
>>Smoothcomp
>https://smoothcomp.com (not sure why we post this)
I did my first comp in years yesterday and everyone used the app to track brackets, as much as you can for a Fuji event. I got gold in the gi (3-0 against 3 opponents round robin) and silver in no-gi (lmao 0-2 against one guy bo3)
>>235014
same

>>234880
>>234889
my gym does a check photo after each session but we're small and it takes literally less than one minute, guess it just depends on the place/people

>do judo
>decide im gonna cross train bjj to improve my groundwork
>in judo we go to turtle because if you get pinned for 20 seconds the match is over
>"stop going to turtle we can choke you"
>well in judo if i go to my back and i get pinned and cant get out the match is over, i guess i need to learn a new habit for this sport
>"is this judo?"
>no
>"yeah that's what i thought"
why are you guys like this?

>>235040
>do bjj
>decide im gonna cross train judo to improve my standup
>in bjj we pull guard because it avoids getting thrown and giving our opponent points
>"stop pulling guard you'll lose the match"
>well in bjj if I get thrown my opponent gets points, i guess I need to learn a new habit for this sport
>"is this bjj?"
>no
>"yeah that's what i thought"
why are you guys like this?
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You can't just selectively engage with the parts of the sport that you like when it suits you. And you're not going to improve your groundwork by actively avoiding groundwork.
Also, the turtle is a solid defensive position that you work from to stand up or scramble, but it is fucking worthless if you just try to shell up to run down the clock, because you will just get your back taken and get choked out

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>>235040
>no you don't
>no you didn't
>no you don't
>nobody said this
>no you don't
>no it isn't
>yes it is
>nobody has every thought that
The judo pedophille, we are all very tired of your spam

>>235045
that's not what im saying. Im asking why do they have to be a dick over a simple interaction. Both sports have ground work.

>>235046
take your bipolar meds
take your meds

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>>234997
Low-IQ Brazilian culture instead of Japanese high-IQ culture, but also this >>235014

>>235040
How would you react to a wrestler showing up to judo and only doing leg grabs, or a jiujiteiro only did guard pulls? When you're cross training with their game you do actually have to learn to play their game.
>>235052
>why do they have to be a dick over a simple interaction
The way you described the interaction sounds like you being oversensitive.

>>235046
This is my first post in this thread, libelous Swede.

>>235063
>The way you described the interaction sounds like you being oversensitive.
touché

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>>235063
I'm so inerrently tired of letters like this. Take your pancakes and go away, because you're not welcome here.

>>235040
>"stop going to turtle we can choke you"
Yeah they could do that in judo too but it never happens because turtle is actually hard to break down
Bjj retards think showing your back is a foregone conclusion, it isn't
I turn my back all the time, i invite them to try to choke me
They can't

>>235072
>Yeah they could do that in judo too but it never happens because
the refs stand you up virtually the moment there is any pause in action. Unless someone has a pin (back control, notably, doesn't count) or a sub locked in within five-odd seconds of entering newaza, you're getting reset
>They can't
Because you don't actually train

>>235075
cant choke me if i dont train
check mate aethiests

>>235075
Nobody can beat me, it's a fact

>Ask a dude for a round
>He says only if we flow roll
>Agree
>Beginning goes well
>The moment he is close to any submission he immediately cranks up power by 50%
>Puts in even more energy to prevent my escape attempts
>Refuse to give him easy taps so I resist until we get to a new position and the normal flow continues
>He gets close to a tap and starts cranking power up again

Is my understanding of flow rolling flawed? I see it as quickly going between positions with little strength and resistance. I don't pull taps during it.

>>235108
your training partner is retarded. it's not that deep

>>235045
>You can't just selectively engage with the parts of the sport that you like when it suits you
He says in a thread where people selectively engage with parts of a sport that don't involve a gi.

>>235123
Brazilian jiujitsu
>in a gi
>no leglocks
>butt scooting
>arbitrary point values
>players are pay piggies spending money for the privilege of participating
>nobody watches it
American submission grappling
>no gi
>heel hook the world
>wrestle everyone
>submission only or 10 point must with rounds
>players are real athletes competing for free and earning prize money
>spectators pay to watch and the money goes to the athletes

Don't get it twisted

>>235108
really sholdn't be trying to finish a sub if he is flowing
get the pos and control then release and allow the partner to do their move
it's a dance
i move maybe one or two turns to get to a point like i sweep to mount then it's the partner turn to escape maybe go to closed guard and pass then so on

it's not a real roll and they shouldn't be acting like that wtf

also i would not nec defend any of the subs i would let them get it then tap to it without putting up any fight just to show them they didn't "earn" it lmao but they still got the rep in if that is what they want

i'm "old" so I want to warm up with a flow or use it as a rest round or whatever sometimes

>>235128
there's leg locks at white belt all the way through black in the gi
most people are not butt scooting anymore, you need a grip to pull guard
points are not nec arbitrary, they reward movement and pressure
yes, agree we're all pay pigs forking up $120/month whether we go or not and things get super weird when we stop paying for any reason
agree no one watches it yup

>>235131
The Brazilian fears the leglocks
Reaping is like le bad ok, you can't do it
Heel hooks are le dangerous ok?
No leaning away when you do your footlocks either, yup that's a ban alright

Same goes for the points
You have to pass the legs because...well you just do ok!
I realize it looks like you're pinning someone when you have their legs stapled or shelved, and I realize it appears as though you're completely controlling them
But you have to pass ok?!?


FUCK Brazil and Brazilians, their sport makes no sense

>>235108
No every retard acts like that.

>>235136
Heel hooks are dangerous especially when used by retards which most people are.

>>235136
Oh this faggot again
You don't train and it's obvious to everyone here
Do us a favor and go shit up the subreddit instead

>>235175
NTA, but bjj already does that to itself

>>235176
As effective as bjj is other martial arts shit on it a ton because the amount of stupidity and drama that is constantly happening with it. Things that shouldnt even be happening but are simply because this sport has 0 filter to make sure the correct people go onto teach it

>>235177
What gives you the impression bjj Is "effective"
I certainly hope you aren't going to cite the gracies beating up mentally handicapped people 30+ years ago

Bjj is time and time again proven to be the least effective grappling art outside of its own rules
It's the worst base for mma
0% chance a bjjer wins a judo or wrestling match but those others could both win bjj matches
It's so bad everyone that plays it is desperately trying to make house rules to make it less shit

Even karate is effective when all they do Is practice against other karate, its a joke everywhere else like bjj

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>>235177
>As effective as bjj is

>>235175
Why don't you try to deboonk instead of lobbing accusations to avoid the discussion

>>235197
>>235199
I dont think it's effective i was just putting you guys down gentely bjj sucks

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>>235203
Based. /xs/ is a judo board, not a blow job jitsu board.

>>235197
Dude STFU.

I'm no Gracie nuthugger and I'm more familiar with Scholastic Wrestling and Judo but BJJ is still the king of ground-fighting. Their competitive rules are retarded but the old street-fighting aspect that BJJ used to focus on pre-1980s was very good. Even the 1st and 2nd generation Gracies cross-trained in boxing and other arts to do ground and pound, sprawl and brawl, etc. so they can soften up their opponents to take them to the ground and secure the submission/pain compliance move.

>>235199
I remember some big-headed Jiu-Jitiero thinking he was hot shit and everytime he tried to close the distance I low kicked his thighs and calves (he had no idea how to leg check) while I hit him with open palm hits and elbows (you don't use a closed fist without your hands taped up and in gloves, else it'd break).

And of course I loved tripping him and hip tossing his ass. This is why being well-rounded is a must since while my bread and butter is boxing with wrestling/judo, I learned some Muay Thai and roll with sub grapplers (including BJJ).

>>235204
To be fair, while much of BJJ has cribbed off of old school judo newaza (as well as Catch-as-Catch Can Wrestling moves, Sombo and other grappling styles), what makes them distinct is their focus on guardwork and defending from an opponent on the mount. No other art addresses this as much as BJJ does.

So it's a ground-fighting derivative of Judo (complete with the packaging like the gi and belts), but their Vale Tudo and Street Fighting studies have made it markedly different from Kodokan judo.

>>235205
>To be fair, while much of BJJ has cribbed off of old school judo newaza
from what i can tell bjj guys hate judo ground game with a passion.
the amount of bjj guys tell me that yoko shiho gatame or kami isnt a real hold is up there

>>235233
I think there was a misunderstanding, in that those holds aren't considered full pins in BJJ and are more so used as a stepping stone to mount and/or back control, because from those positions you can threaten a submission much more effectively. Mostly because in side control and north-south you mostly use your arms to hold down your opponent and so to attack you must necessarily loosen the pin, which gives them an escape opportunity
They are perfectly good positions for holding someone down, but in BJJ that's not where the fight usually ends
>>235202
You've been thoroughly deboonked multiple times in past threads, particularly your "guard isn't real" retardation. I have no interest in retyping the same shit that's been said a hundred times before
I'll just settle for calling you a nigger faggot who's never set foot on a mat and leaving it there

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>>235240
>I'll just settle for calling you a nigger faggot who's never set foot on a mat and leaving it there
K

>>235269
>he posted his bbb
Big Brown.....belt

>>235269
does it get better?
t. pure white belt

>>235288
The main advice I can give you is stop repping, it doesn't help
It's a waste of you're and everyone's time and teachers do it because "that's the way we've always done it" and it eats up class time so they don't have to spend as much time actively working

Repping is a extremely stable environment, it doesn't transfer to the unstable environment of live work
Live work is the only thing that matters, it's the only time you're actually improving

Practice live with intention, you say I'm going go for an armbar and I don't care what it looks like, grips don't matter, legs don't matter, angle doesn't matter, just get it done

The thing that annoys me the most is when a student is having success and the instructor says no that's wrong you need to pinch your knees and blah blah blah
Nigga was it working? Then stfu it's not wrong. The sign of a move is right or not is the effectiveness not how it looks, there isn't some divine scripture that tells us exactly what moves need to look like

>>235305
>Repping is a extremely stable environment, it doesn't transfer to the unstable environment of live work
Repping is a good way to gain an understanding of the biomechanics with fewer variables at play before trying to hit a technique in a more dynamic context.
>Nigga was it working? Then stfu it's not wrong.
This burned me in high school wrestling. My practice partners sucked so techniques that absolutely didn't work against competent opponents did work against them.

This Great Leap Forward approach to throwing out all old training instead of figuring out what the value was the old timer found in it is retarded. There's a balance between what you're bitching about and what you're proposing as a replacement.

>>235310
I didn't mean to write this much but here it goes
The variables are the important thing we want to preserve, its differential learning
Repping in a stable evironment isn't doing what people think it's doing, it may even be hurting progress

Hitting a baseball off a tee or riding a bike with training wheels doesn't actually get you better at hitting or riding respectively
That's why you take away the tee or training wheels and the kid is just as inept as the ones that never used them, if not even worse because they learned how to do something in unrealistic conditions
That's because hitting a ball is tracking + hitting, and riding is balancing + pedaling
You would have been better off just having the kids stand there with the bat and lob some balls his direction and let him try hit until he starts to get it, And you just stick a kid on a 2 Wheeler and let him scoot around until he gets a feel for the bike himself
You can't compartmentalize those skills to practice them separately and then stick them back together like puzzle pieces it just doesn't work that way.
Skill is reflexive not cognitive so your body will respond to how it has been physically conditioned to, You can't think your way to skill acquisition. That's why people choke under pressure because they get nervous and start thinking about what they're doing instead of just doing it

And so as it relates to jiujitsu, doing an armbar is not just doing an armbar, It's extending the arm + breaking the posture + pinning + keeping balance + etc. All juggling these variables at all times
And if you're not learning how to do an armbar with all of those variables present at all times you're not actually learning the skill of the armbar.

And in summary this is why people will drill a move a 100 times and then be totally unable to do it live because what they were practicing was not representative of the thing they were really trying to do

>>235314
Epilogue: The one possible function a dead drill/rep might have is using it to identify in affordance (a thing you can do that you weren't aware of) But even in that case you only have to do it once to gain that knowledge, Doing it 1000 times outside of a live environment isn't going to then give you the skill required to do that thing
If there is a wall in front of you and one of the panels is a door to walk into the next room, You only need to identify that door one time
standing in front of it opening and closing the door 1000 times before you walk through it isn't actually getting you better at that point
You've identified the thing you want to do so now just go for it until you can do it
"Drillers make killers" is a cute platitude from de waise proffeche but it's certified bull plop

Consider looking at it from this angle the famous Bruce Lee (probably) you see everywhere "I don't fear the man that is practiced a 1000 kicks 1 time I fear the man that has practiced 1 kick 1000 times"
Oh yes master chingchong so wise! Except if you had a guy that drank 1000 different kinds of beer one time, and you have another guy that drink the same beer 1000 times, which one of those guys do you think has a better understanding of beer? Who would you go to for advice and recommendations? Which one of them would do better in a tasting contest?

>>235314
>>235315
I'm not really sure what your point is here. Can you elaborate?

>>235320
Of course! ;)

The only way to get better at a thing is to do the thing
Not a component of the thing or an imitation of the thing. It has to be the thing

>>235326
based and hanpanpilled

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I invented positional sparring.

>>235416
g-good job!

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>this far into a bjj thread and no pictures of women's feet yet
This is not the /xs/ I know.

WHO IS BULLYING MY WAIFU FFION DAVIES I WILL FUCK YOU UP

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>>235468
me

Dead sport, ufc bjj 1 and nobody is watching it

>>235602
BJJ is a terrible spectator sport but a good hobby sport. MMA is a fantastic spectator sport but most people don't want to get punched in the face. Much in the same way it's unsurprising the BJJ classes seem to be more popular than MMA classes I can't imagine they were expecting a high degree of commercial success with televised BJJ.

>>235314
>>235315
I like the way my gym does it:
>show new thing
>rep it a couple times with no resistance
>drill it a few times with partial resistance
>go for it in rolling with full resistance

>>235199
glad my gym does open guard drills where if the guy in open guard stands up, he wins

>>235640
Uncommonly based.

>>235639
Under this framework everything prior to the last thing you did didn't actually aid in your skill development
You would've been better off having your objective defined and just doing it live from the get go

People think the repping and drilling is priming their body or "building muscle memory" which isn't real or something, it's not

BJJ gyms are so toxic and filled with fucking drama it is unreal. I go to any other gym like a powerlifting gym or a chain and no one acts like this. You have instructors fucking their students, leaving their wife for them, giving you the cold shoulder because you canceled your membership then want to come back, people going on a relaxing tubing/float trip then threatening to rape another guy's wife and having to be restrained. There's no other sport with this amount of fuckery all the time everywhere at every bjj gym.

>>235668
These are Brazilian problems not jiujitsu problems
Their influence is what caused it

>>235662
Trying to figure out the mechanics of a move from scratch under full resistance is retarded
That anon is doing it right - first get a feel for the move and what you actually want to accomplish, figure out how and where to move your body, then when you're confident you know what's going on you can add resistance

>>235686
This is making the assumption that the dead drilling is doing what you think it's doing
But dead drilling does not give you the feel for the mechanics of a live move at all. Because there are no ideal mechanics, the mechanics every time you do the move will be different

We've all experienced what it's like to rep a move 100 or more times and then being totally unable to do it in a live environment, And then when you finally do get it in a live environment it didn't look or feel much of anything like how you practiced it, the angles and the grips and everything were all wrong
In fact if you took the way you actually finished it and your coach saw you repping it like that he'd probably yell at you and say "stop that, you're doing it wrong"


This is the hardest pill to swallow because of the sunk cost, it's difficult to accept that the whole thing was just an appeal tradition and authority and based on nothing
Because instructors generally don't realize they are leading the students astray but that's what they are doing when they pretend like there is this ideal perfect technique and demand they replicate it before they try to do it live

But there is a better way

>>235692
very cool greg

>>235693
Greg is the villain you will realize was right all along

>>235692
If you're doing a move for the first time and don't already have a *very* good handle on the position, there is a 0% chance you'll be able to hit it live without at least some practice to figure out what's what, especially because many movements in BJJ feel very unnatural and unintuitive at first
This kind of training might work for experienced practitioners for whom the move being practiced is effectively just a variation on something they already know, but for new and/or relatively inexperienced trainees it would be a waste of time at best and actively counterproductive at worst

>>235673
The gyms I'm talking about are ran by Americans in America my dude.

>>235699
It works even better for the novice because it simplifies everything down to its necessary parts and nothing else

What are the invariant features of the technique, What are the things that have to happen in order for it to work

In the case of a heel hook it's capture the toes in your armpit, maintain the depth of the knee line, and immobilize your partner's hips. Everything else is just noise
So the way that we can teach this to someone is we start them in an outside straight ashi configuration
And we give them the exact goal of capture your partner's toes in your armpit
If he slips the knee line before you do that he wins, if he doesn't you win
When someone wins reset

Let's take it a step out and make it a little bit more advanced once they catch on to that
The goal is now to move from an outside straight heel hook to an inside saddle
So we will start in the outside configuration and the player now has the task of moving their feet from the outside to the inside and moving their partner's foot from the outside to the inside and capturing the toes
Player 2 has the same task as before to extract the knee
Player 1 is to make that transition from the outside to the inside and then back to the outside as many times as he can before player 2 completes his task
The grip that he uses and the leg configuration and the way he pinches or flares his knees are all totally irrelevant to the task. The most effective method for that player will emerge from the player doing it

This is precise and far easier to understand then having to learn a bunch of different entanglements imprecise language surrounding the techniques
"start in the single leg x transfer over to a 4/11 honey hole double trouble"
Or
"just grab his fucking toes"
And the best part about this method is both players are getting meaningful live training, Nobody is ever just sitting there having their body used as a grappling dummy and wasting their time

>>235700
But they were influenced by Brazilians
It's generational retardation

The same way all the old white Judo boomers will still bow and not wear underwear under their gis

>>235668
It should be unsurprising if you realize BJJ practices are a bunch of autists, UFC bros, and Current Thing grifters cuddling during a Brazilian cultural activity.

>>235662
what >>235686 and >>235699 said, if you show dlr into single-leg x to a white belt and then tell him to go straight to full resistance drilling, he's never landing it lmao. if you want to bench press 315 lbs, do you start with less weight to learn the movement and increase the weight/resistance over time? nah just jump straight to 315 kek

>>235714
>The grip that he uses and the leg configuration and the way he pinches or flares his knees are all totally irrelevant to the task
I think this could lead to problems down the line - you find a way to do an armbar, for example, that's supper sloppy but nonetheless works against fellow white belts because they don't know how to properly defend the move - then you try to hit it against someone more experienced and find out it doesn't work, because you learned it wrong to begin with
There is a reason certain details are taught and "just figure it out lmao" might lead to bad habits forming

>>235314
>Hitting a baseball off a tee or riding a bike with training wheels doesn't actually get you better at hitting or riding respectively
>That's why you take away the tee or training wheels and the kid is just as inept as the ones that never used them
Source? I get the impression you've never coached young people from completely sedentary backgrounds or in early childhood, where the benefits of isolated skills drills become more glaringly obvious. A kid who can hit the t-ball squarely is going to have a better shot at hitting a moving ball squarely; this is how the tee is often used by coaches at that age. Young kids who are still mastering what adults would consider basic movement patterns with their legs can gain an aptitude for peddling and steering a tricycle or bike with training wheels before they would have any chance of figuring out the balance on a bicycle, but an older kid who can walk safely on a balance beam would probably be better off without training wheels. Different kind of training aids and skills isolations make sense at different stages of skill acquisition and mastery.

>>235751
This myopic nonsense is like those "science-based" lifters who try to tell you there's no benefit to warming up because they misread a low-quality study once.

>>235751
What you're talking about is developing action capacity which is a different subject than developing motor function
There's a misconception that we're putting people in situations way over their head and physical ability and just saying "lmao figure it out faggot"
This one simple trick lazy coaches hate, you tailor the training for the individuals in the room
Less skilled less fit people have easier goals to accomplish, better people have more complex goals
And you can even have 2 people of different ability levels, give them asymmetric objectives in terms of complexity and difficulty, And even a low skill unfit person and a more skilled person will have competitive fruitful training together
I can give you example if you're not sure what I mean by that

The instructor is always adjusting, what he is asking people to do is just as dynamic as the training environment, He's observing the room and tweaking as he needs to
This sucks for lazy coaches because you actually have to be on the ball and engage with the students and can't just sit on your phone off to the side while they rep

>>235756
Scalability is a problem across the board for athletes, not just an ecological one and it needs specific interventions do deal with
What you're describing specifically as a name, it's called the Tim Tebow problem
He was a good quarterback up into college but at the professional the pro players ran on average .2 seconds faster
It doesn't seem like much but because of how low he held the ball that small increase meant he wasn't fast enough to throw it before he got tackled, so he couldn't perform at that level

So we would call that a "strong attractor"
A stable movement pattern that a person keeps reverting to, And this is not a bad thing as long as it's working
But this is a problem with the traditional method, He repped those throwing mechanics probably a million times in his life, At that point it was so ingrained there is no intervention that could be done to get him to change the way he throws the ball
And it was a shortcoming of prescriptive instruction because I'd bet you his coaches is entire life we're telling him exactly how to throw the ball and in the end it didn't work

Our answer to this is using whats called differential learning techniques, An example of this in jiujitsu I might say you have to do an armbar to your partner but you are not allowed to use the same grip twice, you are not allowed to have your feet in the same position twice, I can put different constraints on it so that every armbar you do by design has to both be successful but also different
Doing this will cause you to reflexively bias towards the skills required to make the armbar work, And if it's ever not working your ability to adjust on the fly (thats called attuning to affordances) and make it work will be much faster because you haven't conditioned yourself to be locked in to any particular way of getting it done

>>235758
My suggestion if you're interested in digging into this would be start with How We Learn to Move by Dr. Rob Gray
It's a more digestible resource to get your feet wet with

So far everyone is being pretty good faith in this discussion, normally it would be a cesspool by now
Good questions so far

>>235716
>not wear underwear under their gis

Wait what

>>235716
The real reason the old men at the IJF banned leg grabs is so people would stop throwing them by their sagging nutsacks.

>>235760
Hold on, finish the story: how should have Tim Tebow been trained?

He was developing and adapting to succeed in the environment he was in. He didn't have access to opponents that were .2 seconds faster until he went to the pros.

If anything, this shows a deficit in the way he was allowed to self-direct his technique until he was faced with an unmanageable problem. A coach should have intervened a lot sooner and told him to hold his hands higher. "Tim, get your hands higher, faster. That shit's gonna work until it doesn't."

>>235764
I'll need to caveat this with I'm not a football player so if you wanted me to opine on the exact intervention I'd use it probably wouldn't be sufficient
In the end they couldn't fix him, thats why he's the example. Also btw imagine shitting the bed so hard your name becomes the title of a coaching dilemma

But early intervention is the key here, the problem with him is the attractor state of holding his hands low was so ingrained they could not get him to stop doing it
The guy had access to elite coaching for his entire life and none of them had an issue with what he was doing so it proves the rule we can't just rely on what a coach thinks is right, we're just assuming they have the answers and they don't
This is where the importance of career long differential learning comes in and focusing externally on the environment not internally of what we're "supposed" to be doing

So we're looking at 2 different prongs here
I'm going to shift from football to baseball because this is where a lot of the research was done so I actually have examples of this, even soccer has good examples
What was found is baseball players that were instructed to just make contact with the ball and hit it somewhere random, don't try to go for home runs or anything just make contact and hit it somewhere random and make sure you hit it somewhere different each time you make contact with the ball
Pop it into the air, spike it into the ground, hit it on a back swing and send it totally on the wrong side, whatever
This group improved their batting average more than the group that was actually trying to hit normally under traditional instruction
Because they created this unconscious command over the way the bat interacts with the ball on a much more robust level

>>235767
And so to take a similar method and apply it to football maybe something they could have done with him was he gets hiked the ball and his task is just to get rid of it, do whatever you want with the thing just get it out of your hands as quickly as you can, But you have to get rid of it in a different way every time.
Then once he has this greater unconscious command over the ball. Moving externally through space you can start deliberately adding targeting requirements into his throws so he can intentionally put it places he wants to
Think of training as remodeling over time not building like an architect from the ground

This process is why it's believed Brazilian soccer players are some of the best in the world, It's not despite the fact they are poor and don't have good equipment and fields to play on it's because of that fact
Because if you are playing soccer barefoot in a parking lot with a coconut you are going to create a much more robust skillful soccer player than someone who practices on a nicely manicured field with cleats and ball
Then once you add those luxuries back in their skill takes off even more because they practiced an extremely unstable chaotic environment and you gave them some stability to latch onto

>>235768

>Tim, get your hands higher, faster. That shit's gonna work until it doesn't."

And so to the other point about externalizing focus, It's better if we give cues as they relate to the environment
So don't tell Tim what he should be doing with his hands because his hands are irrelevant, tell him what he should be doing to the ball because the ball is the object we're manipulating
"Get the ball out faster"
It sounds like such a pedantic thing but it makes a big difference when you can really start looking externally

You're going to become aware of this now and it's going to drive you crazy how often BJJ teachers refer to themselves when they are showing something

" What I do is I grab his sleeve and then I drag his arm to the other side and then I use my other hand to grab around his collar and I pull them in opposite directions"
A better prompt would be "create connection to the collar and sleeve and tension it so your partner can't rotate"
Don't think about what your body is doing just think about what the task ahead of you is

>>235767
>the problem with him is the attractor state of holding his hands low was so ingrained they could not get him to stop doing it
>The guy had access to elite coaching for his entire life and none of them had an issue with what he was doing so it proves the rule we can't just rely on what a coach thinks is right
It's very easy to flip this argument around - he's been taught to "just do what werks" and not concern himself with the details because they're "just noise" and it caught up with him when just doing what works suddenly wasn't enough
>>235768
>>235769
I see what you're getting at but in many cases this approach might be overcomplicating it - yes, the conditions under which a technique is applied are dynamic so "static" cues might not always be sufficient. But at the same there are fundamentals that do not change regardless of the situation.
Yes, you could coach Tim with complex drills that improve his throwing speed. Or he could've been coached to keep his fucking hands up and he wouldn't have had that problem to begin with, because there isn't a situation where holding his hands low would be advantageous.
Again, the problem with your model are novices: They might *think* they're following the principles they've been taught, when in actuality it's simply their opponents being equally as inept as themselves. That's why they're instructed on what you would probably deem superfluous details.
You can't tell them "just do what works" because they can't accurately assess what doesn't work, this leads to the formation of bad habits which are difficult to break once ingrained
>What I do is I grab his sleeve and then I drag his arm to the other side and then I use my other hand to grab around his collar and I pull them in opposite directions
I'm starting to think you just had really poor quality coaches, regardless of their training methodology

>>235767
>But early intervention is the key here
Right. So a coach should have explicitly told him what to do and why. Allowing him to "find his own way" sabotaged his career.

>>235769
>So don't tell Tim what he should be doing with his hands
But you said Tim failed due to a specific fault with the way he held his hands, that should have been corrected.

>"Get the ball out faster"
Now that's fair, giving correct, precise, and actionable cues is critical. But do cue your athlete.

>>235785

>>235769
>Don't think about what your body is doing just think about what the task ahead of you is
That's not always true. For example, learning marksmanship (shooting) is completely unnatural and unintuitive. Telling someone "just put the bullets on the target. Do whatever you have to do to make the bullets hit the target" has zero chance of improving someone's marksmanship.

On the contrary, a new shooter needs to focus entirely on the process, not the result: if their grip is correct, and their sight picture is correct, and their trigger press is correct, then the bullets will hit. Worrying about results is actively detrimental.

Just to be clear I don't have a problem with eco/task based games as a training tool or method. I just think withholding information from students is douchbaggy. Don't leave em fumbling in the dark, just tell them what's up.

Yes there are infinitely many variations of techniques, and foundational principles underlying techniques. But the student will have a much easier time discovering and understanding those fundamental principles if they first have a framework for context.

For example, teach your student the simplest possible armbar from mount. Then show them that they don't actually need to sit back and give up the mount to finish the armbar. Then show them that they can actually hit the armbar from bottom, if the right pieces are in place. They'll recognize the pieces on bottom because they've seen them before on top.

IMHO there needs to be a balance between process focus and results focus. Too much process focus and you get "monkey see monkey do" dead-pattern "traditional" martial arts. Results-only focus gives you Grug the whitebelt who can rip armbars against people smaller than him, but isn't actually getting better and definitely can't teach someone else how to score an armbar.

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>>235786
I want to try to hit this with broad strokes

prescriptive instruction doesn't violate ecological framework, but you need to ask yourself is giving an answer actually beneficial to the students development or am I just trying to expedite something so we can feel good about the illusion of progress being made
the same as a parent that will cave to a child so they don't cry
giving explicit instruction may have a faster result on a single class basis, but compounded over months and years the grappler that learned to fish instead of being given a fish will have more robust skills

some times when it would be appropriate to give explicit instruction
the athlete is doing something we know to be unsafe like not pivoting their foot in a roundhouse kick or cat backing a dead lift. Don't wait for them to touch the hot stove, just slap their hand and tell them it's hot.
during a competition when they are struggling and you have a solution, it's appropriate to tell them. Saying "YOU NEED TO ATTUNE TO THE AFFORDANCES HES PROVIDING UNDER HIS ELBOWS" isn't good cornering

but additionally and this is the part I think people don't realize happens, you can and should contextualize things with explanations and examples, just don't prescribe the solution
lets say the current task is from a back mount with hooks, you need to trap the other players arm with one of your legs without losing the chest to back connection
I will explain, the reason we are doing this is in the starting position our arms are controlling our partners upper body, attacking a rear strangle from this position will give him an opportunity to escape. I want to replace one of my controlling arms with my leg which frees the arm up to attack. but you'll notice I'm explaining tactical reasons for it, not technical ones
then I will even give an example of what it might look like, but I'll make it clear the way you do it doesn't have to be and can't possibly be the same as the way I did it

>>235800
whether you know it or not you're arguing for the information processing model of skill development, this idea that skills are cognitive and stored in a control center, and when you need to do something your brain accesses the stored experience and tells your body to do it
environmental perception "ecological" is a competing model that posits all the information needed to complete a task is present in the environment and that you're not actually memorizing things but instead discovering the opportunity for action each time you do it. and what we're training is our ability to recognize these opportunities faster
the geocentric view of the universe was a wrong assumption but that doesn't mean the model wasn't useful, they were still able to study astronomy somewhat accurately with it but it required complex math to make work in a way the heliocentric view doesn't

you can have a debate about what the correct amount of explicit instruction is, in my view it's next to none except in very specific circumstances
but the real meat of the problem here is the drilling. Even if in your view it's important to show a move and have them replicate it to give context
there's no reason to say I do 3 then you do 3 back and forth for the next 5 minutes until we're given a different move to do the same thing with
that isn't teaching us anything and is so ineffective as a technique everyone will have forgotten what they "learned" the moment they walk outside

I think we would be in strong agreement that there is no amount of repping on a grappling dummy that's required to get good at jiujitsu, and likely it's just a waste of time
so it makes no sense to me why every bjj school is hell bent on insisting using your living human partner as a grappling dummy is not just effective but even essential to training

>>235801
>every bjj school is hell bent on insisting using your living human partner as a grappling dummy
I think this is your fundamental misconception - at least where I train with my usual training partners, drilling is rarely just one person doing while the other waits their turn. There is an element of it when you need to be compliant while your partner figures out the technique, but that's not all there is to it. Drilling is also cooperative troubleshooting where the "training dummy" is giving feedback
>Hey, this wouldn't work, you're leaving me too much wiggle room
>This choke's not in, try getting your legs tighter
>Maybe try to do x instead of y, see if it works better
Then once you get a solid enough handle on the move, you start increasing resistance, your "training dummy" tries to find counters and escapes etc

But I feel like this debate is going in circles, we've pretty much arrived where we started

What are you supposed to learn during your first year? I've been doing bjj for more than 1 year and we're doing more or less the same stuff, mainly closed guard, it's getting boring.

>>235825
You should learn how to apply basic submissions (I only managed to apply ezekiels, armbars and ankle locks personally), takedowns and pulling guards, and sweeps and defenses against submissions.
Escapes from side control, turtle, mount etc...
Open guards like delariva, spider, lasso, x guard stuff
From there you can pretty much survive easily into blue belt. No need to know more than the basics.

While we're all talking about eco. I took a 1 year break between late 2024 until now. I quit because I couldn't tolerate the atmosphere made by the psycho TRT dad who was the head coach and the fact that I felt like I was regressing at worst and stagnating at best despite training 5x/week. I used to miss my old school that did a lot more positional sparring, where you'd get mileage in specific positions and a lot more one to one.

Well I managed to go back to my old gym since moving home and they've started doing ecological style coaching. I've done about 2 weeks of this mode of training since moving back and not only have I returned to my old level much faster than I expected but i've picked up a bunch of useful snippets of highly generalisable information via some of the constraints-led games (e.g. 'Take back control without seatbelt but without connecting hands/feet' or 'Take mutual ashi and try stand up - if you both stand up together, you both lose', etc...). These are just simple, 'invisible' principles I've picked up from session to session that would've taken months - if not years - to figure out in my old gym but have made a noticable impact on my general efficiency. Where positional sparring is a great way to hone in on a position, the games provide a smaller filter.

I am a bit of an ADHD 'miss the wood for the trees' kind of retard and I think this type of training suits me very well, especially in terms of filling in all the fundamental information I've missed out - especially during periods where I've been hyperfixating on collecting techniques. Overall I'm a big fan so far despite being deeply cynical and thinking Greg was a homo at first. Idk if it will become the new standard though, especially not 100-percent eco/games style learning, like I wouldn't really want to train at a gym that did nothing but specific sparring.

>>235810
>I feel like this debate is going in circles
because there's an unreconcilable difference in how we believe motor skills form
you're in the camp of they're developed through cognitive processes, I'm in the camp they're developed through reflexive processes. it's not just our debate it's a debate people with PhDs in this shit argue over, and the side you fall on will inform the pedagogy you use.

that's why eco bros get so annoyed when smooth brains like rhadi ferguson say "just use a hybrid approach bro"
you can't hybridize competing models, there are no atheist creationists, belief in one supplants the other

this is where greg goes wrong, he doesn't seem to realize he's stepping into debates with low iq individuals that think they're about to argue about what kind of training they like and he's talking past them with studies about cognition and motor skills
they aren't equipped to have those conversations, that's why they're jiujitsu podcasters

he takes the bait every time, when the person isn't being bad faith and actually curious he's fine. The moment he runs into a retard like big dan though all bets are off because they come into the debate without even a clear understanding of what they're arguing against, then greg tries to explain specifically what he's doing using the language the researchers use and they get mad at him for using SAT words

>>235907
>there are no atheist creationists
Atheists who believe the simulation hypothesis are atheist creationists as the absence of God wouldn't rule out a creator of this level of reality. Similarly, there are theists who believe evolutionary theories.
>you're in the camp of they're developed through cognitive processes, I'm in the camp they're developed through reflexive processes
Both are influential, which is why traditional high-quality instruction incorporates both. It's autistically myopic to suggest otherwise.

>>235907
>you can't hybridize competing models
Can't you? I can imagine a combination of both - It sounds like the eco style of training lends itself very well to the "small battles" that occur in fights for position, things like getting better grips, offbalancing your opponent, keeping them pinned etc, while the more traditional approach I believe would work better for more complex moves that require more coordination.
I's not "true" eco and you could say that it's just ripping off the methodology without really understanding the underlying principles, fair enough, but I think such approach could be worth trying
Admittedly though, it's easier to "what if" on a mongolian basket weaving forum than actually try to implement it as a coherent curriculum
>this is where greg goes wrong, he doesn't seem to realize he's stepping into debates with low iq individuals
We all know the quote - arguing with idiots is like wrestling a pig

>>235040
>>"stop going to turtle we can choke you"
Your judo dojo doesn't teach chokes?

>>236044
Pigs wrestle ecologically.

>>236026
I don't think a creator in that context is any different from a god and a theist believing in evolution sees evolution as a process not a cause
>>236044
saying both are important is really just people hedging because they aren't sure what's right, or they can intuits what's right but don't know why so they stick to what has always been done out of a sense of security
the traditional IP method is what's used for mass education and look at it, The kids memorize information short term to pass a test and then immediately forget everything they "learned", It's RAM not the hard drive

we can see this happen particularly clearly with language. You learn a bunch of scripted phrases in spanish class and as long as the partner repeats his scripted phrase back it looks like you know how to speak, but you have no real comprehension of anything being said it's just canned responses that dissolve as soon as someone goes off script
that's what static drilling under explicit instruction is, repeating como estas and bien y tu over and over again

if you want to learn to speak it necessitates immerse yourself in that language environment and just start talking, sound like an idiot for as long as it takes and not understand 80% of what people are saying to you. But by being in the shit like that within 6 months to a year ecologically you'll have a conversational understanding of any language you want, meanwhile after 6-10 years of IP method language learning in school the best you can do is ask someone where the bathroom is

>>236144
Yes but when we teach babies English we still show them picture books. "This is Spot. See Spot run." Baby's first sentence is usually some variation of "what's that?" accompanied by pointing. And the answer isn't "baby, the environment contains all the data you need to solve the problem", the answer is "that's a dog." Next week baby is going to see a different kind of dog and they will start to realize that there are a variety of entities that meet that definition, and eventually will understand the fundamental elements of that definition. At that point a kid can see a totally new breed of dog and yet make a pretty reasonable guess that it's a dog.

Children learning language and new grapplers can both synthesize creative solutions to novel problems, but they do so by extrapolating upon previously learned patterns. When I was a kid I read a lot. Sometimes I'd read a word I hadn't seen before, but I was usually able to figure out what it meant from context clues. Hooray, I learned from the ecosystem! Yes, but I was able to do so because I already knew the meaning of every other word in the paragraph. And if I was really stumped, I'd have to get out the dictionary. No amount of staring at the page would help.

The purpose of drilling isn't "muscle memory", it's pattern recognition. See the parts that make the armbar. Feel the parts that make the armbar. Now see a different kind of armbar. Look! All the parts are still there!

Pattern recognition is necessary to apply skill and develop solutions, and pattern recognition requires input. Putting your student through scenarios for skill development is great. Withholding information from them is shitty.

>>236213
But babies babble, they talk a lot before actually making words and the when they randomly say a simple word like mama they get praise and attention for it
Same with their walking
we give them walkers which let's them get around and it seems like it's a success but the research is in on this, they delay actual unassisted walking development
They're learning to walk in artificial environment because it makes parents happy to see the baby scooting around enjoying themselves in safety, but that's bad for baby
The baby needs to walk and fall until they get it right

There's no information being withheld, I know an underhook is important, I will create a game where you need to fight for underhooks
Me just telling you it's important and showing you that I can do it doesn't actually help you, And neither does having a dead fish partner that lets you just wrap it out by sticking your arm under there
The only way you will learn to do it is by having someone fight you for it

>>235199
I tried that for a couple months as a purple belt and kept getting my back taken. If I have a big advantage in strength or they're a noob I can do it, but at that point I can do whatever I want - they're weak to moves in general.

>>236144
I don't think your language analogy makes the point you want it to make, for learning a language you absolutely want a hybrid approach. Explicit instruction by itself won't really take root as you said, that's correct. However, if you were to stay in a rural Dutch village for a month without any explicit teaching, you may learn some of the language by immersion but not nearly as much compared to someone receiving both explicit instruction AND immersion, which is optimal for learning a language. Another aspect is desire/will: Someone taking language classes and/or receiving immersion who actively wants to gain fluency will learn more than high school kids who don't give a shit.

>>236258
I think it tracks well enough, though its a give in its not the best comparison because interventions will be very different. But all the same an effective language teacher would be one that creates engaging activities that challenges the learners in fun ways
Describing a scene and having the learners draw a picture of what they're hearing about, singing songs, Putting words they don't know in sentences along with images so they can Intuit what means what and make discoveries rather than bring fed answers

A bad teacher is one that you walk into class and they write a phrase and a response up on the board
And you say it back and forth 2 times each for 5 minutes
Then do another phrase
Then they shove you out on the street and say ok go talk to people. You better hope they only speak to you using the phrases you memorized, and hopefully you can even remember them under pressure when it counts
That's the IP method and is the trad method of bjj

>>236288
I want to make it clear because maybe I haven't, the coach in CLA doesn't just cut them loose and say figure it out, the coach will tell the athlete their objective and what to focus their attention on
Lets say you're a total beginner, In the case of an armbar I will start you in mount for example, I will say your goal is To get any part of your body under his elbows to create a wedge so he is unable to rotate away from you, while also remaining in a top position. Because until you can do that, knowing the rest of the armbar is pointless information

Then we iterate the game, We're going to play it again but this time you win only if it's your legs or hips under his elbows
You can still use your hands to gather them but it's not a win until your legs are under there
At this point I may even demonstrate to draw attention to what I'm specifically talking about, I'll say it could look like this and I do a spider web, or it could look like this and I do an S mount, or it could look like something else but you'll notice every position I have my hip under his elbow, that's the focus here
And again until you can do that knowing the rest of the armbar is pointless information
And we work outwards to a functional armbar under full live resistance the entire time. So there will never be that moment of "oh man I know what to do but I can't seem to do it"
If anything it's the traditional IP method that is asking students to just figure it out on their own, The coach just sits on the side of the mat and yells at them for doing it wrong but isn't designing practice in a way that's helping them

>>236289
Question, ecobro: do you belive that instructionals hold any value at all? If I watch Craig Jones' "Just Stand Up", will I improve my ability to escape pins?

>>236381
It really depends on the instructional
The value they hold is giving ideas to design practices around which is not how most people use them, they just want to copy what they see
from what I've seen Craig actually has excellent instructionals because he's right to the point and isn't overly prescriptive in what he tells the viewer to do
He explains conceptual framework, Just stand up he tells you about how defending the far side underhook disallows your partner from controlling your rotation. He doesn't tell you how to do that he's just making a statement of fact on something to be mindful of
In power ride he discusses pinning or shelfing your partner's bottom leg makes it difficult for them to stand up, Splitting your partner's legs in 2 different directions makes it easier for you to force rotation to the side you want
There's no prescription there they are just factual interactions of how the human body works
So you can make yourself some practices where you really work on those skills and have someone resist you while you try to get into those positions
Alternatively John Danaher instructionals are full on flow chart slop
I do this then he does this then I do this then he does this, And that's why his instructional's run for 30+ hours and have maybe 4 pieces of usable information in them

Side tangent the existence of instructionals being a multimillion dollar industry shows how ineffective traditional bjj instruction is because students feel the need to do additional homework outside of the class setting

ya'll ever talk w/ someone online then meet them irl and train with them?

>>236423
i don't talk to strangers

>>236541
oh good i am not stranger i am fren :)

>>237151
Don't make this harder

Gib blag belt

>>237344
Ok , yur blak beld now.

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What's it called when you take credit for something that you have little to nothing to do with?

This was Tyron Woodley's high school wrestling coach posting this. His MMA coach when he was in UFC was Din Thomas.

What psychology explains this?

>>237444
I think it's fine, people forget about the foundational coaches when they were growing up
Proathletes didn't just spontaneously appear at 20 years old ready to sign a contract, There were people molding and cultivating them up until that point and had more of an influence on their development than their pro coach
They carried the bag for 18 years then handed it off right at the finish line, and recieve no credit for it

>>237445
I think the issue is that it is displayed in a way that looks like they coached them during their UFC run or immediately leading up to it when they didn't - hence using all the UFC branding pictures, not one when they were their coach or clarifying when they coached these people.

>>235128
>https://www.beltchecker.com
Typical fkn YANK reply.
Sure... submission Grappling is American LOL

>>237508
It's called Freedom Grappling ok?

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3 stripe WB. Been off the mats for a few months. I'm coming back to training and thinking of ditching the gi in favor of nogi. Any tips for making the transition? I'm used to playing guard with gi grips so I dont really know much about nogi grips, other than looking for collar ties and wrist grips I guess. Help me, nogi kings...

>>237415
no, now he is just black. He doesnt even have a black belt
he just became pigmented

>>237520
No need for tips to transition, if you've done gi you're already supergay.

>>237508
It literally is
CJI is an American organization
UFC is an American organization
The pit walls, the 10 point must 3 round system, the absence of the gi
These are American rules

Laughable to call an every that takes place in Vegas "Brazilian"

>>237520
Unfortunately everything you learned up until now is useless due to the gi crutch
You haven't learned to control someone's body with your body, you've just learned how to death grip on to their clothes. That's how girls and hockey players fight. Real sissy stuff

The grappling principle is still the same, you need to control the space under someone's elbow to armpit. That's really all there is to this, the person in there is winning
The gi crutch does that automatically because they are wearing a jacket which occupies that space on their body, so you can grab them by the collar and still have control under their armpit
Nogi grappling or as I like to call it, grappling requires you to wedge a part of your body into that space to control it
So get close, and jam something into his armpit, an arm a leg a shoulder whatever you want, just get something in there

>>237543
learning to use bjj for actual street fighting is hilarious because all they have to do is come back with a gun

>>237551
Well if he comes back with a gun there's nothing anybody could do, thats not a fight that's a murder
But on the spot gi bjj will get you shot, nogi will save your life
While the gi sissy is grabbing the guys collar he'll be reaching into his waist band and grabbing a clock then put 2 in your chest
Nogi will have his arms isolated away from the body so he can't grab anything

>>237554
You talk like you dont do martial arts

>>237556
I keep it simple, attack the extremities to gain control of center mass, to reattack the extremities as it leads to strangulation and breaking

That's the flowchart of your objectives

>>237543
>Nogi grappling or as I like to call it, grappling
Oh god, someone introduced Stallman to BJJ
He's going to create an autism singularity and destroy the world

>>237543
Retarded take, you adapt from gi to nogi in 10 minutes and i don't even like gi.

>>237705
Not true
There is a 0% chance a bjjer wins a wrestling match
There's a 50% a wrestler wins a bjj match

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>>237551
In a scuffle the better grappler gets to control the gun.

>>237757
Ahh yes the nutshot-gatame, classic purple belt move.

B team is kill

>>237816
they couldnt beat the goon allegations

>>237816
why really?

Why is there more drama and petty bullshit with this sport than any others?

>>237823
seems like craig is sick of dealing with his retard business partners and supporting the entire industry on his shoulders so he's retiring after CJI, moving back to australia and thats that

but it's the fact that b-team is being shut down. it's not that he's just stepping away from the brand but he wants the brand to not even exist anymore

>>237824
Based burn it all down to the ground Craig

He probably hates America and thinks we're all retarded which we are.

He'd probably have a better time in any state that isn't Texas.

>>237825
He's unironically a bisexual drug addict, I'm not sure why people think he's playing a character
So he's going to go because sexpat in Bali now like all wealthy Australians do with trafficked children

>>237823
>>237824
>>237825
I think all he said is that he will no longer be involved with BJJ in any public way (I'd wager he'll still be training Volk) and that the team will be rebranding under Nicky as the new head coach

>>237828
that makes sense

>>237836
lol

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>>237825
Seems like he read your post. Anyway I think Craig is stepping away from the public eye for a while for a break and to let his hair transplant grow in which he'll likely do after CJI 2 winds down. It'll probably take 8+ months to look decent so he may be gone until then, but Craig has a humiliation fetish so you never know

>>237836
They're done, Nicky Rod is literally retarded, Ryan has exploding knees, Ethan and Damian who?

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>>237836
>>237840
>>237875
To clarify: Nicky Ryan as the head coach, not Nicky Rod

>>237880
But who cares about Nicky Ryan? His only notoriety is being Gordons brother and having the privilege of carrying the bags for a few years
As an athlete he was an unremarkable purple belt who's body broke down at the amateur level

When his friends say "he's really technical and a great teacher" what they mean is his jiujitsu sucks so he's the teacher because the rest of us have titles to win

Of course they don't actually believe he's a good teacher because they keep hiring coaches from outside the gym to come run their protraining

>>237887
Him being great technically and a good teacher is pretty much universally agreed by everyone, not just his friends
>coaches from outside the gym
I assume you're talking about Dima
First understand that coach != instructor necessarily. Dima isn't the best technique-wise, not enough to instruct the pros for sure, his role is being the adult in the room that can structure and direct their training camps.

>>237877
Where would the world be today if Hugo Gravey didn't steal Sambo and make it his own martial art?

>>237887
Might as well have Nick Mataya own the gym at this point.

>>237918
if you watch any of his instructional content on youtube you'll understand that he is a good teacher

I'm going to start a daisyfresh for 4channers

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>>237962
Soooooooooooooo Daisyfresh?

actually wiltse is more of a redditor but yeah

>>237967
It'll be an incubator where you guys all come live in the pods and can stay and train for free on the condition you're at every mandated training session which includes conditioning and jiujitsu, and medal in competition at least monthly

LOL

>>237980
Are asian girls in this incubator?

>training moved to another gym for the next two months due to summer lull I assume
>its quadtriple as far away
>only 4 sessions a week
>2 on the weekend in the middle of the day
>2 start at 8:15PM!!!
Just fuck my sleeping and training schedule up senpai

>>237988
Yes but they're for me only

>>237447
It would be a bit odd to post the photos of them as a child since no one would recognize them.
Which defeats the point of posting about them for attention in the first place.

>>237967
Wiltse is a redditor, that's the real, secret cause of the falling out. PSF HQ is rightful anon clay.

>>238010
I'm probably not doing the best job of explaining this.

You'd have to know the guy I guess but he's pretty tilted about people leaving his gym then going on to the UFC, having successful careers and feels like he deserves more credit than he deserves.

He himself is a washed up fighter from the early 00s before MMA made people rich. A fighter has described his gym as a "Feeder Gym" and "they're tough but not very good"

Which an example of is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p7rzYRdlhc

And it is funny he's trying to take credit for Luis Pena when pictures of him at the gym have clown stickers over his face.

well, I'm a brown belt with 4 stripes and the big one could get dropped on me literally any day now so I'm reflecting on this because I'll probably be expected to say some words in front of everyone

you know, I really don't like jiujitsu
I started going back when this place was still /asp/, and I always thought bjj was really gay and stupid whenever I saw it. Then I tried it and after all this time my opinion hasn't changed at all, it's every bit as gay and stupid and not very effective in a fight as I thought it was but that didn't really matter because I was having a good time

I had a good time the first couple of years but honestly I haven't really enjoyed myself since I was a blue belt. It's a mix of equal parts being bored of seeing the same shit each time and also a pressure to perform while I climbed the ladder. I couldn't just go and roll around casually with no pressure, I had to be "on" at all times and set an example
you know the quality of my life is worse off doing this, all the injuries that will be with me forever and surgeries I know are coming down the pipe in the future when I can't ignore them any longer. Every time I have some kind of forced time away for a week or more my body always feels so good I have to wonder why I even go back
and really it's just because of the routine. I don't have other hobbies and my friend group has drifted apart as they do, so this is really where I go to just get out of the house and socialize a little bit

I wonder if it'll be enjoyable again on the other side or if it'll feel final enough that I can just walk away
I guess the black belt really was just the friends we made along the after all

>>238113
>Every time I have some kind of forced time away for a week or more my body always feels so good I have to wonder why I even go back
Might be good to take more recovery time in between sessions, or find a venue for sessions that don't beat you up so much. Could also show up to another grappling art without your black belt and have a bit of a reset on expectations.

>>238113
I know it's easier said than done, but try and change your mindset. It sounds like you're in a very grindy "must climb the ladder, must defend the belt" kind of headspace, which can very easily kill all enjoyment.
I'll use videogames as an example: When players have attained mastery, what do they do to continue their enjoyment, now that there are no more worlds to conquer? Silly shit. Meme strats. Ranks, best gear, topping the leaderboard no longer matter, it's all about having a good laugh. So start trying all the stupid techniques you see on Instagram. Try to submit everyone you roll with with a banana split. Flabbergast your local whitebelt by only playing donkey guard. Do that one nonsense move that has no business working and gets increasingly funnier every time that it does.
Really, just have fun with it. Don't roll to win, but to enjoy the roll itself. Maybe lower your training frequency for a bit to try out other things and see if that helps with the burnout

>>238113
I operate on a strategy of clowning or being clowned on since I don't really put any effort into anything since I don't do this hobby for money
The way I see it playing to be technically solid and playing to have fun is two different things

>>237520
Imo people with gi fundies are inherently better than nogi
It's a martial art so we appreciate recognizing when things have slowed down so we can stall or execute a technique
Nogi people are better scramblers, but scrambling is a lot easier to learn than the value of a frame

>>238151
If you find yourself scrambling a lot in nogi it's because you're bad at controlling people with your own body and rely on using their clothes to hold them in place

Two carpenters are building a chair of the same quality, one only has simple hand tools to work with, the other has all the modern power tools and conveniences
Which of them is more skillful? Which of them actually has better fundamentals of wood working?
This is the same

Thoughts on this plan for my next fight at school?
1)Smile and offer a handshake.

2)When they go for it superman punch to blast double.

3)Kneebar both legs until the toes are touching the hip. Straight ankle lock both feet until the sole of the foot is touching the calf. Calf slice both legs until the heel is touching the butt. Inside and outside heel hook both feet 360°. Lateral kneebar both legs until the foot is touching the hip.

4)Kimura and americana both arms 360°. Wrist lock both wrists in multiple directions until the hand is being held on just by skin. Armbar both arms until the pinky is touching the rear delt. Bicep slice both arms until the forearm is floppy.

5)Banana split and suloev stretch both legs until I hear a rip. Twister both directions until I hear a crack. Jumping knee on belly until all ribs are broken. Sprinting soccer kicks until the balls are ruptured.

>>238113
would you teach or run your own gym?
what injuries do you have?

I just spent another $1200 on chiropractor appointments, anyone else see one, thoughts on chiro?

>>234876
I just joined a new gym after a year off. Brand new gym so they are putting out ads and whatnot, randos will probably be coming in for the trial.

purple belt dude comes in open mat yesterday and its obvious dude isn't near a purple belt. Maybe a 1 stripe white belt.

What does a gym owner do in a situation like this?

>>238189
the worst offender is my neck is in very bad shape, I get numbness and migraine causing inflammation. if I was in charge things would be different around here

>another $1200 on chiropractor appointments
big oof from me
at best the cracking is providing temporary relief of pressure in the joints, at worst it's making whatever your underlying condition is worse or maybe even creating new ones

I've been "adjusted" before, feels great, but it's not actually helping anything

>>238192
ask where he got the belt see if you know the guy or can contact them
might be he took a lot of time off, is out of shape, older, etc
i imagine a purp that took 5+ years off prob kinda sucks?

>>238194
my neck was bad but got better now it's upper back between shoulder blades that hurts constantly like i need to pull my shoulders back and look up to "pop" it

chiro is trying actively to better my posture and get the natural curvature of my spine back

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leglock chads I need help

when going for the straight ankle, if my opponent is able to essentially come forward and plant the foot im attempting to ankle lock onto the ground, other leg down (combat-base essentially) what do I do?

I cant seem to find any videos or guides on this situation

the drawing roughly captures what i mean, ankle lock, but they were able to combat base onto the leg im attacking

>>238180
nah you gotta hindullotine, always hindullotine

>>238207
but certainly you could get prescribed a physical therapist so insurance will cover it? chiropractic isn't covered because its alternative medicine

>>238208
i think you need to off balance and knock them down again?

>>238210
i've done PT, got an injection, MRI, now i'm trying the chiro because why not
a lot of my pain is controlled by tylenol so I'm treading water at least, better than i was

>>238211
>i think you need to off balance and knock them down again?

that makes sense but if i cant reap (gay ass rule) then do i just try to turn the knee to the outside?

>>238212
i do like a scissor sweep on them and it works pretty well, chop that ankle/leg/foot with your left/bottom leg and your right/top leg goes into their armpit/side while you have that arm on that side, it's a scissor sweep when they're popped up into a combat base
you can also go into de la riva bolo's from there or knock them straight back, lots of options depending on what they do and what grips you got

>>238207
Under normal circumstances yes, but i 100% know for sure that hes a fake. He dropped into another gym i was at like 4 years ago and did the same thing with the same story.

>>238208
there are 2 breakdowns happening here, 1 technical and 1 tactical
what ever entanglement you're using isnt sufficient to keep his hip pinned to the ground, so until you can do that finishing is a pipe dream
you have to knock him back down to his hip and get his weight off that leg

tactically, you also need to get control of the secondary leg. truthfully leglocks don't work unless you have both of their legs entangled in some way, they're going to just use the free leg to spin and push all over the place, you'll never get the bite you need with that kind of motion happening
people who tap when only one of their legs are trapped are scrubs who don't know any better, at the higher level you need connection to both legs

put the idea of finishing out of your mind for a while, focus only on controlling entanglements. once you can do that the finish is the easy part

>>238215
Let the gym owner handle it and just choke that fool every time you roll with him, hold him in mount and just do nothing other than lay on him and shut him down and make him feel silly, try new moves you're working on, it really doesn't matter, the gym owner will have to figure out how he wants to handle him

>>238211
I'm starting bpc157, pretty much everyone I know is on it now and they're all loving it

>>238218
I'm not into injecting some weird shit into my body but I'll look into it

>>238219
they make it in pills too, pills are more expensive than injecting though

>>238217
For sure, Its not my place in any way to do anything. I am just curious as to what other gym owners would do in this scenario.

>>238220
yeah i'm only into things that are tried and true and have been tested on millions of people over a few years at least

>>238221
Coach could ask him to take off the belt if he's that kind of guy lol

>>238213
>>238216
got it, makes sense and i think i may have found a video that describes the situation and a potential solution

>>238224
woops forgot the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUTukN_9ttQ

>>238225
I don't like the prompt of "fake him out" or "your opponent is going to do this"
that's just bad instruction, you can't base your strategy on a prediction

that kind of stuff drives me nuts, just say "here's a possible solution"
but I wouldn't even prescribe a specific solution like that because what he just showed would qualify as a sweep and you get 2 points for it. Your partner is going to fight like absolute fucking hell to not trade top and bottom position with you from there so it's not going to be so effortless to stand up all casually the way he's doing it

>>238218
may as well start injecting estrogen too while you're at it

>>238113
I think >>238114 and >>238121 have good advice. Imo keep up the grind just a little longer for the black belt and then relax a bit, train a little less for better recovery, and just have fun going for silly shit.
>>238189
I competed in powerlifting for about 10 years, got some state deadlift records but in the process got plenty of lower back injuries. At the time I'd see a chiropractor once a month and whenever I got injured, was super helpful. Now that I'm not doing heavy lifts I just see him once every quarter. Chiro can be very beneficial, just keep in mind like anything in medicine, it's who not what. Some doctors are great and some are shit trying to push you pills for everything, likewise some Chiro are great (mine is a judo blackbelt with a strength training background so he gets me, we do some assisted stretches on tight muscles, massage, etc. in addition to the adjustment) but some Chiro are snake oil salesmen that try to sell you bullshit like magnet therapy. That being said some adjustments gave me an instant improvement for an injury which is hard to find. I think of Chiropractors more like a physical therapist specializing in back stuff.

>>238189
>>238231
Oh, and $1200? How? My adjustments are $60 which is pretty normal pricing in my state. I assume the $1200 is for a lot of adjustments but damn bro you might be getting ripped off

>>238208
It won't recover the submission, but I think if you grabbed their other leg, transitioning into X guard should be pretty easy, and that position is basically a guaranteed sweep

>>238219
It's a peptide which massively speeds up regeneration of soft tissue, even tendons and ligaments which are otherwise notoriously slow to heal
But it's only a research chemical at this point, unapproved for human use. There aren't any known side effects AFAIK, but regulatory agencies tend to err on the side of caution because there's no way of knowing if it gives you gigacanceraids twenty years down the line or something
However everyone who's used swears by it like it's the actual panacea

>>237887
>When his friends say "he's really technical and a great teacher" what they mean is his jiujitsu sucks so he's the teacher because the rest of us have titles to win
No his jiu jitsu is insane and so is his ability to answer questions and teach
>t. I ask him questions at B-Team all the time

>keep hiring coaches
?? They had Dima run camp once aka set timers and positional rounds so the athletes could focus on training lol

>>238208
Are you in single leg x or outside ashi? (ankles crossed outside their hip)
You can still finish the ankle lock from there if you can get weight off the foot and raise it slightly onto your ribs. They're actually doing you a favor by not just fully standing up. Alternatively:

If SLX, you can bring your inside hook to the far leg, and pummel your outside foot above that hook for x-guard.
If outside ashi, ensure your inside knee is between your opponent's hips, acting as a frame so they can't pressure forward and take your back. Then try to make enough space to pummel to SLX

>>238231
i'm seeing my chiro twice a week, it helped with my lower back pain, they are focusing on my upper back between my shoulders now so i'll see how that goes

if anything it helped me greatly with my posture and head position so i'm not further re-fucking myself in the future

>>238232
it's a bulk discount price so I am getting actually a better rate than you, mine are $50-ish per appt
so I am paying a larger amount upfront
they have me do exercise/stretching before the adjustment like with a precor machine or bands or a block behind my back

they also take x-rays and have me do neck traction

>>238235
i'm already on test so i'm sticking with that ;)
i know a bunch of people on "peptides" though, that seems to be the big "joke word" for gear with the kids these days

>>238242
>that seems to be the big "joke word" for gear
Well, people don't call them steroids because they're not steroids - that's a very specific chemistry term which includes neither SARMs not peptides. It's not just catch-all for PEDs

>>238243
no no no like I meant people are on all kinds of shit including steroids and just call it peptides to lie and sound cute

haven't seen my elderly mother in a few years and one of the only things she asked me "are you still on steroids" because I told her I am on TRT lmfao should have lied and said it was all natural organic RFK JR approved peptides

The plus side on peptides is since they aren't approved for anything they also aren't controlled
Once they're controlled we won't be able to easily get them anymore

>>238240
>>238242
Ah okay the price makes sense then, though twice a week is a lot

>>238279
people think he's just pretending to be gay
he's leaving the breadcrumb trail of homosexuality

>>238279
funnily enough he's still not the gayest figure in the sport

>>238280
I'm in A LOT of pain my dude
I'm in life ruining amounts of pain.

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>>238279
The more I see of Craig, the less I like him. So he's some kind of weird degenerate tranny fucker now?

>>238362
make sure you're doing this for the right reasons
when jiujitsu stops serving you in a way that improves your life it's time to step away

there's other hobbies out there that wont ruin you

>>238368
oh i am aware, I'm already fucked up how worse can it get lmao

>>238386
A lot
Theres a guy that lives in my neighborhood and he's paralyzed from the neck down, has a breathing tube in his neck and a nurse walks him around the neighborhood in whats effectively a bed on wheels to get him fresh air

It's a grim reminder for me when I see him

>>238409
did he get spiked on his neck or what

>>238447
Not sure, I've never stopped to talk to him
No way to randomly bring that up as a stranger "yo bro why u a vegetable lol?"
Really makes me appreciate my blessings though even though I'm short, fat, getting older every day, no gf, but dang at least my legs work

>>238490
>>238409
It didn't happen from BJJ so why bring it up? You can be shot out of a cannon while on fire and covered in wasps, why care about scenarios?

>>238563
the moral is you shouldn't take your health for granite

it's not as unbreakable as you think it is

>>238564
>granite

that's a rock
you mean "granted" ?

>>238363
>now

>>238113
I am a black belt, and I can tell you now if you don't know it already that absolutely nothing will change except more pressure to perform once you get it.

If you don't do it for the love of the sport by now, you will not magically start loving it once you get your black belt.
Try to shift your focus to teaching others and letting people submit you sometimes. You have to actively dismantle your ego again, just like when you first started.

>>238113
>>238976
Good point, if I get a tap or even anything as simple as a guard pass or side control escape against a purple/brown/black belt, I assume it was an opportunity given, not "won"
t. 2-stripe white

>>239042
They're not as in control of the situation as they seem
They have a good poker face and it doesn't look like they're trying, anybody that's giving opportunities sucks and isn't doing it right

Who does that benefit? At that point neither of you are really practicing anything

>>239073
I more meant that if they notice I'm attempting something in particular, they might not shut it down immediately and give me a chance to test my memory

>>238564
lmao, stealing that pun

>>238362
Use gpt to figure out what treatment and tests and rehab you need. Doctors hate this one simple trick

>>239073
I disagree with you. People are learning nothing from the roll if you as a higher belt just play your 'a' game on them and smash them for the whole roll. Maybe the higher belt gets to stroke their ego, but like.... You've just brought your A game to someone who has no idea what is going on.
Let yourself get put into bad spots by a blue belt, then try to escape. You're actively practicing your escapes from bad spots, they're actively practicing their passing and then trying to maintain a good position. They get to learn what high level escapes look like, you get to use some energy and get out of a bad spot or a position you wouldn't normally find yourself in.
It's pretty commonly accepted that this is the best way for everyone to get something out of the roll when there is a large skill gap.

>>239282
Agreed, you can think of it like playing a noob 1v1 in competitive vidya: You can stomp him for sure, but you don't get anything out of it really and he definitely doesn't, but with a big skill gap the higher-skilled player has room for experimentation he might not get with people of the same skill level, which can provide learning opportunities for the noob.

>>239282
I was in the process of typing basically this post. I've observed this as the norm in most fighting sports I've practiced or dabbled in.

>>239282
It might feel like you are improving that way because you're having success but it's false positive success. If someone is holding back on you you are learning how to win against poor reactions from your partner
Getting good at defeating bad reactions will not scale into defeating good reactions because the reactions are different

Framing from the bottom works when the partner on top sucks and doesn't know how to pin
A good partner sees your attempt as framing as an opportunity to steal the space under your elbow and will make the pin even worse
This is where the meme of "stuck under side control" comes from, because framing the neck is a technique that only works against white belts and will fail against advanced players

The only way you will learn to stop doing that is every time you try to frame in my neck I snatch that arm and sit on your face and then you'll stop doing it and learn how to escape properly

>>239301
How do you escape SC without framing neck?

>>239304
turn away and sit up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o-jqPJhEtQ

>>239309
>50 mins long

>>239310
What's the problem? It's a class

>>239322
>>239310
>>239309
I love Globetrotters for giving us all these "outside the box" grapplers you'd never get to see or meet in person, there's always some guy like Pritt who just completely hones in at one thing autistically that they are good at.

>>239301
You obviously don't concede every position, and it's a good idea to correct bad habits as you suggest, but leaving a little bit of space for them to perform the correct action or letting them pass your guard if they're doing a decent job is beneficial for both parties.

Obviously do not let them 'beat' you with bad technique, but I've been training for 10 years and know counters to counters to counters and reactions to reactions. Me shutting down everything a white belt knows how to do is not helping anyone.

Sure, I could balance out of this hip-bump sweep the blue belt did to me, but he did it right- I'm just good at defending it because I've been defending it for ten years. When he gets a bit better, I'll throw in another road block to help with his progression to a highly skilled practitioner.

If you try to "win" every roll at the gym, you will only get to work on what you're already good at, you will have significantly less experience in bad spots, and nobody will roll with you because they either know you are going to treat it like a competition or they just get squashed by you and learn nothing.

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>>237877
Lesson 2 (these aren't made by me, it's some other guy at my gym)

>>239397
Where is this gym so I can move and train with someone this based?

>>239369
But don't you see, he didn't do it right if it worked because you deliberately didn't do something

You shouldn't nerf your skills for his sake, you can make it fair and challenging for yourself by using self rules, for example you can only attack submissions on his left arm, you can only breathe through your nose and have to keep your mouth closed, you have to keep your eyes shut the entire time, you are only allowed to finish every 3rd submission attempt, you're not allowed to use your hands to grip things

Make the burden on yourself harder, don't make his easier

>>239450
>you can make it fair and challenging for yourself by using self rules
That was the point of his post.

>>239454
He's talking about giving space to them they didn't earn
If he hip bumps and you could've based out, he didn't do it right
If he shrimps and you could've blocked his hip with your knee, he didn't do it right

We mustn't let them have success because they moved in a way that looks like it was supposed to do something

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I want to learn BJJ, but I'm ashamed that I'm a NEET who doesn't even have a driver license. I'm also 25. I'm pretty damn jacked and on steroids. I've been lifting since 2013. I have a home gym, but my dad drives me to the gym for most workouts. The reason I'm a NEET is complicated, but I essentially can't work most jobs. I do receive NEETbux. I really want to learn BJJ and practice with others, and when people ask me what I do for work, I tell them I'm a dishwasher, which isn't a lie, but I almost never work. I would also have my dad drive me over there, and I would feel embarrassed if others found out I don't have a car or a license.

Are any of these fears warranted? I just want to learn martial arts and boost my self esteem. Getting belts in BJJ takes so long, so I feel like every month I'm waiting is a mistake.

>>239480
>i'm an autistic roidhead is bjj right for me?
yes, yes it is

>>239444
Checked, here ya go: https://t.me/devotionjiujitsu

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>>239480
>blue belt - 6 mo. - 1 year

>>239497
What's the reality, anon?

>>239498
I dunno what the reality is for most people, I've been training for two years (admittedly, with some breaks due to life getting in the way) and I'm still a white belt, sure as shit not getting promoted in any foreseeable future

>>239501
How much do you train? What if you were a mad man and did it for 4 hours per day, possibly taking a break to eat in between?

>>239502
Schedule allows me two to three times a week, usually two
Sure, if you train like a madman then you'll probably speed past everyone else but I don't think that's realistic for most adults

>>239480
You need to do what I did an get an ebike, a small investment but it increases your range considerably
And when you ride your bike to the gym people will just think you're health conscious and not realize you're a broke man child

>>239480
I trained w a guy who had his grandma sit in the parking lot the entire time
another guy is disabled and has his mommy pick him up and she will even pop into the locker room and ask if he needs help changing

no one cares dude just show up, cut your nails, shower before and after and only wear clean shit to class.

>>239496
joined and joined chat ayyyyyylmao

>>239501
I started (officially) in the fall of 2019 and got the bleu beltch spring 2022

trained 3-4x a week and older than 30 at the start

>>239496
of course the schizoposting gym has a Telegram

>>239521
>schizoposting gym
Care to elaborate?
I tried googling and found something about neopagan nazi larpers, is that it?

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>>239525
>Care to elaborate?

>>239510
>Tfw no mommy to help you change

Pretty fuckin gay I'm very likely getting the black belt in November
I'm told he's planning to bring the head of the association out for a seminar

I don't want to go to a seminar, I don't want to get it from some Brazilian faggot I have no relationship with, if I'm ready for it now why make me wait?

>>239663
you sound insufferable brother

>>239670
You better start being nice to me right now

>>239701
AHHHHH

>>239663
Humaita? Does Barra also do these seminars to line the old ass Gracie family pockets as well?

>>239706
Gayerrr

>>239787
Which school then, 6 blades?

>>239498
it takes two years for each major belt color totaling ti 10 years for black

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>>239807
from the IBJJF website, their minimum promotion times

instructors do whatever you want so that's why you see people being a blue belt for 4-6 years and so on.

>>239809
who the fuck listens to ibjjf?

>>239810
a lot of gyms, pretty much every gym in my area does, it's sad I know

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>>239800

why are bjj fighters such dicks compared to other fighters?

>>235199
100 wrestling sessions =/= as useful as how many BJJ sessions?

>>239971
You're getting way more bang for your buck in a wrestling session
In bjj most of the session is spent sitting around in a circle on the floor having some boomer explain superfluous details you aren't going to remember the moment you walk outside

>>239480
If you want to improve your self-esteem, get a car, a job and stop being a manchild. A coloured belt isn't going to help

>>239480
Move to Mt Vernon and train at Daisy Fresh full time, live at the gym or the "fighter" house, you'll fit right in.

>>240192
lapel zombie wtf lol

did you guys here someone died at IBJJF Chicago this weekend?

>>240202
vaxxed?

>>240192
Imagine your nickname being "I'm a faggot that stalls and loop holes the rules in every match"

>>240228
lmfao

dude that reminds me of how fucking pissed off the brazilians were when kenan started doing all that lapel worm shit

>>240202
is that really surprising?

>>240259
yes bc jiu jitsu is safe and for everyone and it is the best martial art!

Pretty wild how jiujitsu had so much momentum coming off CJI last year and the ufc single handedly killed it in 10 months
Tacketts at CJI2?
Nope
Gordon vs Mason?
Never gonna happen
Moneyberg black belt?
Cosigned by several former UFC champions

>>240279
yeah I couldn't really give a shit about it right now desu I am just trying to show up, I haven't gotten promoted in 3 years, I'm just trying to go when I can go and that's about it, I don't give a fuck about any of the events or "celeb" athletes

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man they're really pushing this bjj = nazi narrative hard lately in these totally organic posts that instantly have hundreds of karma updoots but no engagement, totally a real "problem" you need to be away of go- I mean guys

>>240286
Steve Kwan is a Canadian happa that routinely talks about toxic masculinity and Trans rights on his BRAZILIAN JIUJITSU podcast
Literally ignore everything that faggot has to say

BTW the entire Canadian jiujiitsu scene is like that because they're all friends with each other since there's like 15 people in the whole country that actually do this sport

>>240291
Jordan is pretty cool though and he mostly keeps politics out of his mouth
But yeah Kwan is a faggot, I am aware. This BJJ club = Nazi thing is new and he now has showed himself as being a big part in forcing it on everyone.
How does Reddit get away with this obvious forced bullshit like why would a new post get instantly 400 karma and only have one comment, who are they fooling?

>>235072
>People say they can choke me
>I say to try it
>More often than not they can't
Same thing for breakfalls, our class is too big for standup so no one learned how to breakfall

>>235108
Flow rolling is a myth
Youre either there to do BJJ or condition for competition
Anyone looking explicitly to flow roll is hustling

>>235305
>Stop repping
You must be stupid
>Baby learning to walk sucks at walking
>Handicapped person needs to relearn how to walk after a long convalescence
Meanwhile submissions more often than not require a specific sequence and you think fumbling about isn't going to lead to dogshit submission attempts

>>240299
We agree karate kata is a dumb waste of time. Repping is just bjj kata
It may be marginally better than punching the air because there's a physical body there, but may ultimately be even worse since your partner is deliberately giving you an unrealistic reaction so you're conditioning the wrong movement and feelings
Worse yet he may be consciously or unconsciously selling your move because the teacher is watching so he goes along with it

>>240303
I agree with this to some extent at least, I know at white belt I was getting in the mindset of getting my guard pass bc I didn't know how to have a guard and we drilled passes for a long time so I only got one side of the game and didn't know at all what to do and it got me used to just letting them do whatever without stopping it in a meaningful way.

>>240306
The solution is live work at all times with a clear objective and movement restrictions
If you want to practice cut passing then start in half guard with a knee in position and go for it, and your partner should be trying to mantain that half guard and continuously reset back to that position
You're both practicing the skill then and all the small movements that really determine if it's going to work or not

>>240306
That's where drills come in, my gym does them all the time, "sweep-pass-submit" with one person starting in open guard and the other standing (and if the person starting sitting stands up he wins so the other guy can't fuck around)

>>240322
That's a fine exercise but there's no reason to do anything less than that
The static compliant repping is wasting your time

>>240340
Why do high level judoka perform uchikomi?

>>240343
Mostly tradition, and actually nobody really knows when it showed up and why it's so prevalent
It wasn't a historic practice in kanos time, I've heard old timers say nobody was doing it prior to the 1970s

But that's besides the point, Doing uchikomi is developing action capacity
You see when people practice it they're doing it really fast and explosively, They basically turned it into plyometric exercise which is fine, But it's not going to make you any better at actually throwing people from a skill stand point
Lol it may be doing the opposite, it's conditioning you to have success throwing people by being more explosive which is precisely against the principles of judo

>>234997
What I want to know is if there is stuff you can do not absolutely destroy your body.

I just started and the Master is a Coral Belt - his back and shoulders are absolutely ruined. Lots of people in class have had injuries etc. - granted quite a few are fighting mma too.

Is there any way to avoid this besides just not doing it?

>>240362
>Is there any way to avoid this besides just not doing it?

Asking this as well. I think a lot of it has to do with who your training partners are.

>>240362
>>240369
It's the gi, it was almost maliciously designed to cause as many injuries as possible
The amount of torque you can generate by wrenching on the neck and shoulders with the gi is ridiculous
As well as the force required to make submissions happen as the defender is grabbing on to something as well to stay in place so the attacker is more inclined to rip things quickly to break the grips. It's a devastating combination

Nogi is in every way safer, the only increased risk in nogi is if the mats are slippery and you're standing you may have an awkward fall

>>240371
>implying there aren't 20 year olds who've only done no-gi with the joints of the average 50 year old
C'mon gi is gay af but let's not act like no-gi is as safe as tai chi.

>>240378
The only injuries I ever see in nogi are falling awkwardly

>>240362
>Is there any way to avoid this besides just not doing it?
Kinda not. It's a combat sport, if you're learning something real, it's probably should at least be capable of inflicting pain and injuries. shit happens quickly in a fight the participants are taking seriously and sometimes people miss the line on
> this causes no pain, this causes no injury, vs
>okay now you have pain and injuries.
shit's hard.
Wear reinforced knee braces in training and tap early if you're not training for competition, your gym partners aren't going to care that much about you tapping against an armbar you probably could've slipped, you're gonna remember the 3 months in the cast if some retard nukes your elbow joint

>>240362
I've been doing it 3 years so far and my worst most permanent injury comes from overextending my thumb
I only really feel it when my clench my first around my thumb, which is basically the worst possible way to punch
And I got that from C-bracing against a triangle

Other than that I tap early and I go super slow
I'm also notoriously defensive and low energy
As should you be if you're doing BJJ but you aren't learning it to win/go pro

>>240371
>Nogi is in every way safer
This is the stupidest shit I've ever read
No gi is populated with wrestlers and CJI wannabes
At least in gi you can literally grab into your own gito shell up or their go to stall
Anything that can result in injury because
>Random digit Go caught
is fucking banned anyways

>>240349
No you idiot, it's so otherwise specific unintuitive movements become second nature and you can freely pull them off at will
Hence technique

>>240577
>specific unintuitive movements
Why are you doing specific unintuitive movements? Why not general intuitive ones?

Don't over complicate this shit it's not hard
There's no such thing as "proper technique" whatever works is correct, the moment you stop caring about the asthetic of something and focus only on the function is when you'll get good

This isn't dance class

>>240575
Proving the point, nogi attracts fit people with a good work ethic. Gi attracts deconditioned lazy guys with poor body awareness that spaz out and force things because they're frustrated

>>237887
Agreed. Dude is an absolute Autist made from Egg shell.

>>240597
One of the most useful things in a fight is knowing how to fall without breaking a bone
Which is a skill that's useful no matter how old you get
Gi attracts deconditioned lazy guys with poor body awareness that spaz out and force things because they're frustrated
No it doesn't dumb ass, there's nothing holding you down in gi so you can spazz better
Fucking ruotolos are the best at spazzing as evidenced by how they break out of pins
And deconditioned is lazy is a reductive take on "efficient and minimalist" which is Kano to a T
>>240594
A layup is NOT intuitive
The backhand (in ping pong) is NOT intuitive
Throwing a discus at the Olympic level is NOT intuitive
Race walking form is NOT intuitive
None of these things are intuitive, but if you're going to be good at them you have to practice them until they are because not everyone is talented like you
>This isn't dance class
You're a fucking idiot if you don't think dancers don't have the superb biomechanics needed to do well in a grappling sport
Or if you don't believe in transferrable skills

>>240627
Wrong on all accounts

>>240627
>ruotolos
Actually a great example, fucking Tye injured himself last CJI by attempting the spazzfuck pass against a leglocker/guard player.

>>240362
How old is the coral belt? Is he more or less fit/capable than the average person his age?

IMHO most things that are worth doing carry a certain degree of risk. Even doing nothing is a risk - sedentary living will kill the fuck out of you, and it will hurt the whole time you're dying.

I submit for your consideration that risk management is a skill that can be learned and practiced. For example, my knees aren't great but I'm way better at protecting them now than I was when I started. I know what positions to avoid and how to stay out of them, I know when I'm sleep deprived or dehydrated, I know when I should skip a round or skip training altogether.

Of course shit can happen to anyone at any time, but there's a lot that can be done to stack the odds in your favor. Ultimately, I hope and pray I can ride this ride for the rest of my life, but I don't take it for granted.

>>240657
Yeah he's so bad at jiujitsu that he's a professional, certainly he must have no idea what he's doing

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what's the best guard and why is it x-guard?