those that aim to redirect the oponent's energy, like aikido, hapkido, daito ryu, taijutsu, etc. i'm kinda interested in them, especially taijutsu and hapkido, but dunno what i should expect exactly (in order to not fall into a mcdojo), so if anyone has experience in them please share, as well as your thoughts on them
>>246396Wrestling and judo are the sameIf you push they pull and redirect your energy. If they pull, you push.
anon... sorry to be the one to tell you but this isn't real...
>>246408This summarizes it well. Furthermore: OP, what you're referring to is just a philosophy. It can be used in every single human endeavor that involves confrontation, ill willed or not. Personally, I believe it has a lot to do with Ju/Jiu (柔), which means soft, or gentle, but it can also have a meaning of "yielding", let your opponent over commit and then exploit his/her blunder. It can happen in boxing, chess, poker, car racing, etc. Doing so it's not easy anon, and many times you will come to find that attempting to assert your will will be more constructive, either to a victory or learning, than just staying passive. >in order to not fall into a mcdojoThere's plenty of guidelines about mcdojos. No sparring (very important for self defense), excessive emulation of oriental culture (but no real substance or understanding of it beyond surface level kowtowing), etcI assume you have no martial arts experience, and we don't know your motor skills: But I infer that you don't have any, and that the latter is just mid: Get into something simple dude: Hitting those flashy moves is not simple, and you will be learning far more effective stuff (for your skill level) in more mainstream martial arts like kickboxing, wrestling, boxing, muay thai, Judo, BJJ and Karate in that order. You can still apply the concept of using an opponents strength and what ever response you have will be far more easy to execute and as destructive.
>>246408i mean yeah, but those involve a lot of struggling in order to perform a takedown, while these ones are usually just making one move to throw the oponent. either way i didn't know what i should call them so "redirectional" made sense to me>>246420ooooh, yeah you're right, should've called them "soft" martial arts then, my bad.>to assert your will will be more constructivei agree, i just thought that it would be good to train, since i wanna train my falling technique (in order to not break or dislocate a bone when taken down)i've been doing taekwondo itf for a few months now, and used to do judo but the dojo i went to didn't have very good instructors (they simply told us "alright do this" and got into their phones, leaving the more advanced students actually teaching). so far i've improved my skills overall, but i'd like to keep practicing takedown focused martial arts. i guess goju-ryu or wado-ryu would've solved this but i have no dojos near me that teach it (﹏).also thanks for the info on mcdojos and the recs on martial arts :)
I love the way Aikido looks, and breakfalls are a genuinely useful skill to have. I won't really learn to hurt people, but it looks like a blast to do.
>>246409Not real but looks cool at least :)
>>246396It works really well if your opponent blindly throws their entire body at you. The problem is that people don't do that. Though admittedly, I HAVE used these moves successfully when I was attacked by a medium sized dog.
>>246437>breakfalls are a genuinely useful skill to haveyup, that's why i want to learn one of these soft martial arts, i mean i learned how to fall in judo but without practice it's useless :/>>246469>The problem is that people don't do thati guess you're right, though it would be useful if you're fighting a drunk or overall messy person who doesn't know how to fight well.>medium sized doglol, how did that go? i've been curious on how one should defend from a dog attack, since they're fast and if they jump on you you'll end up getting fucked up on the floor
>>246480You're living in a fantasy landIf you're "fighting" a person so drunk they can only shove their whole bodyweight into you like a zombie, then just low kick them and walk/jog away from themIf you're faced with an actual fight this shit will fail you massively. If you're going to waste time training you better do something proven to work against actual aggression
>>246490Ignore this nigger asshole OP. You do you, don't think too much about de streetz, half of it is bullshit
>>246396I did Judo and Bujinkan (taijutsu I suppose) for about 4 years before doing boxing and MMA. If you enjoy the redirectional arts, go right ahead, it's a lot of fun and it's important to let your body move in ways that feel natural to you. But if you're training for self-defense or, God forbid, a fight, then I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that the best thing to know is a feint-lowkick-and-sprint combo. Martial arts that don't have sparring take years and years to get right. And I will forever be grateful for the immaculate awareness of distance and angles that I developed during my years of taijutsu training, but I would have been twice the fighter I am now if I had just started boxing back then. Timing and cardio are king.>>246408>Wrestling and judo are the sameI wish. Wrestling is way more hardcore.
>>246496i know, though it's fun to see these "da streetz" answers once in a while>>246534i see. since i'm doing a strike focused martial art right now (taekwondo itf), then would you recommend taijutsu? and also, how was the bujinkan? i've heard a lot of opinions on it, some say it's a scam, while others claim it's great. my main concern is that their schools always say "learn ninjutsu!" and it's just taijutsu with a black karate-gi. and i don't wanna enter a club that feels like a cult>Timing and cardio are kingyesssssssssss, most of the time fighters lose because they don't train their cardio enough, even if they have great power. this happens a lot on taekwondo itf, since we pivot a lot. i recently bought a jumping rope and so far it has been fun to use
>>246396>in order to not fall into a mcdojoFind a judo school that does shiai (normal competition) as well as kata (form/demonstration) competitions. It sounds like you're more interested in doing super clean kata but the way to avoid a McDojo is to train somewhere they actually pressure test the techniques they're studying.>>246422>i mean yeah, but those involve a lot of struggling in order to perform a takedown, while these ones are usually just making one move to throw the oponent. either way i didn't know what i should call them so "redirectional" made sense to meWhat you're describing is the difference between using these techniques against a resisting opponent versus demonstrating them in kata with someone whose job it is to make your throws look as good as possible. >>246469Dog judo is based. I used to do this with my parents' dog and it taught her how to flip other dogs.>>246534>>246542>Timing and cardio are king.>fighters lose because they don't train their cardio enoughAfter foolishly lowering my cardio standards from "wrestler" to "fitness normie" I narrowly lost a white belt judo tournament match to a guy with worse technique but better cardio and it still annoys me all these years later.>>246480>without practice it's uselessDrill your ukemi daily as part of your general fitness regimen.
>>246480>they're fast and if they jump on you you'll end up getting fucked up on the floorIt probably worked so well BECAUSE the dog kept trying to jump at me. The opponent being airborne makes redirection throws super easy as long as you get the timing right.
>>246550>It sounds like you're more interested in doing super clean katanot really, i mean i like 'em but of course i also like sparring, though competing isn't very interesting to me, i'd do it if i have the time and money>demonstrating them in kata with someone whose job it is to make your throws look as good as possiblei guess both have their use in that case, though i've seen some hapkido competitions that end up looking like judo ones, so there's that>dogslol, how do you do it?>cardiowhat's your routine like now? i'd like to improve my cardio training :)>ukemii'll try, though i haven't praticed 'em in a long while, since i did judo in fact :v>>246571makes sense, now i'd like to have a dog to try it out
>>246422>Those involve a lot of struggling in order to perform a takedown while these ones are usually just making one move to throw the opponentOh you sweet sweet summer child
>>246422>i mean yeah, but those involve a lot of struggling in order to perform a takedownYes, because they are real techniques against people trying to resist their opponents. >while these ones are usually just making one move to throw the oponent.That's how you know it's a McDojo. Aikido or Hapkido exhibitions look cool, but whenever they try to make actual tournaments, it always ends up looking like an amateur Judo competition.
How bullshit is Yoshinkan Aikido? There's a dojo near my place with good credentials. It looks like fun, but on a scale of "completely" to "not at all" how useless is it? I heard it's one of the harder styles, though I don't know precisely what that means.
