What use does aikido have? Most people I talk to consider it useless.
>>247991It has the the best outfit out of all the martial arts
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>>247993True it looks sick as fuck
>>247993Any Japanese sword school should have one that’s the same or better.
it's a cool looking performance art
>>247991It looks cool, and the concept of "use your opponent's strength against them" is pretty coolIt's useless because they don't spar. Some of the techniques are pretty legit, but you can't learn them properly when you don't practice them with resistance
>>248018What techniques are legit of their repertoire?
Arguably the most powerful martial arts in Japan.An Aikido practitioner is practically invincible, no one of any martial arts background can ever land a punch or kick on one.Using the power of the attacker, the Aikido practitioner uses absolutely no energy to knock them down.A fearsome martial arts it is.
I have defeated countless opponents using Aikido, and they always ask me, Why are you so strong?I answer, I'm not strong, you are.Aikido uses the strength of the attacker back at them but 10 times stronger(estimate). Using Aikido and I can probably kill a charging Rhino using it's force right back at it, of course, I'm not going to try it, way to dangerous for any sane person.I recommend practicing Aikido for everyone here, as you are all physically weak, and Aikido is specialized for the weak to defend against the strong.
>>247991it's the only martial art that can get you a gfwell, maybe not you
>>248038>>248039Cope harder moron
>>248040Sounds fake but tell me more
>>248036Ikkyo - basically a standing arm bar that you can enter or turn with.Sankyo - kind of like a hammer lock but more focused on the wrist.Nikyo - focuses pain and or damage on the wrist and forearm from an ikkyoYonkyo - focuses pain on the nerves of the inner and outer wrist. EXCELLENT for bitches.Irimi nage - combo of a clothesline and hip throwThe techniques in aikido all originate from aiki-jitsu, which is a much more combative art, so the aikido techniques can be used with strikes and such, though it's not trained that way in aikido.
>>248060Do you think Yoshinkan is worth pursuing? There's a dojo near my place and it seems legit in terms of accreditations. Headed by a 5th Dan.
>>247991its fake as fuck.I've done like 3 kickboxing classes and could easily heem any aikido faggot (also you, your father, your brothers and everyone itt)
>>248099Fuck you I got ki on my side
>>248036I'm not too well-versed in them, but I once gut put into some aikido wrist lock when going for a collar tie, and since then I shit on it a little less than before
does anyone know how many of ueshiba sensei's direct students are still around?
>>248112Damn that sounds nasty
no matter what else, it looks sick as fuck
>>248064>Do you think Yoshinkan is worth pursuing?Sure. Just remember that aikido isn't really a practical defensive art compared to boxing, muay thai, judo, or BJJ, but there are things you will learn that can be used for defense in some occasions. Mind body coordination, break falls, and joint manipulations all have their place, and can come in handy some times.
Surface level : learning to fall correctly is going to save your ass more often than being a master fighter.Crunchy middle: preserving/specializing in the parts of japanese jujitsu that got discarded by judo.deep level: teaching foreigners how to behave in japanese social structures as part of a now defunct colonial project
>>248179Care to go into more detail on the deep level point?
>>249307[The kotodama was created together with the universe and is being guided by nature. This world is becoming bigger and expanding every day. It is growing daily and the Great Spirit of the Creation of the Universe is unfolding. Although Heaven and Earth are heading towards completion, we see many peoples, especially Japanese, who have not realized this fact. Since it is high time for us to accept this new happiness, I want to help them awaken from their dream soon and to create a friendly family by gathering together their wandering spirits....First of all, everything should have a center. There is the sun in the heavens, and there should be a center on earth. You cannot work without a center...The Emperor is democracy.]-Yomiuri newspaper interview of Ueshiba on May 27, 1956[“ Relocating to Manchuria in March 1936, Tomiki became a part-time instructor at Daido Gakuin and taught aikibudo to the Kanton Army and the Imperial Household Agency....Largely through Tomiki’s efforts, aiki training become a compulsory subject for students of judo and kendo, and therefore he sent for his close associate Hideo Oba, then a 5th dan, from Akita in order to develop a teaching staff. Also, Morihei Ueshiba made regular fall trips to Manchuria during these years also to conduct classes at Kenkoku University.]-Aiki News #128 by Stanley PraninAikido was previously directly connected to the various nationalist fraternities that was directly involved with the japanese occupation/the war effort. Having largely scrubbed it's public image clean aikido as it exists today is still centrally a practice for cultivating the stereotypically japanese social skill of "reading the air" through physical exercise. The alternative dojo hierarchy around belt ranks/the founder comes complete with all the reverential submission expected within japanese society right down to ancestor worship at the house shrine.
>>249319Never heard the term reading the air before. Have anywhere I could read up on that?
Aikido always struck me as a good way to train lightly after your body has been beaten up by a lifetime of judo, BJJ, wrestling, etc. I definitely think that you should get a solid grounding in a practical grappling style before moving to Aikido, though.The main problem with Aikido is the lack of non compliant sparring. Sparring, even light sparring, is a good way to filter out bullshit techniques.
>>249342Isn't it the "Reading the Room" thing that happens in anime whenever a character makes a faux pas?
Aikido is for weebs and idiots. Don't be an idiot. Do Judo or BJJ.
>>249342It's incredibly important in the super passive aggressive Japanese culture.
>>247991I've been doing it since 2010 (3rd dan)for me the main selling point is that it's a hobby that accompanies you your whole life. when you're young it's an extremely tiring workout if you keep a good pace, because the way breakfalls are structured allows you to fall and go back to attack right after, and when you're old you can concentrate on the less physically demanding role of tori and still get some good practice in.plus as others have said it's fun, looks cool and it's one of the last physical activities that still puts some emphasis on etiquette
>>254684Very interesting. How long did it take you to get your first Dan? And what style do you do?
>>254688>How long did it take you to get your first Dan? I got it in the 2018/2019 season, which is about par for the course if you don't take every exam as soon as you possibly can and instead take 1 each year >And what style do you do?aikikai, though it's not saying much especially in my country. we were lucky in that there were multiple first generation instructors sent by ueshiba, so even within aikikai we have some variety in style. our reference instructor was Fujimoto; he passed away in 2012 but his stylistic influence on who followed him cannot, to this day, be mistakenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6TQNaNFTAg
It has no uses because it's a completely fake martial art. Aikido is just Daito Ryu which in and of itself is a fake, constructed martial art made up by a circus acrobat combined with Ueshiba's literal cult-like wacky religious beliefs combined with the fact Ueshiba had what we would today call some kind of cluster B personality type disorder. It doesn't even fulfill the role of at least being a useful form of exercise because the intensity is so low you can find studies done on Aikido that show practitioners have the same rates of obesity, strength and endurance as the general, untrained population. When people say that Aikido is bullshit they don't even know how right they really are.
>>254988>It doesn't even fulfill the role of at least being a useful form of exercisethe tragedy is that this is true on average, and I say this is a tragedy because there's no practical obstacle to taking aikido as a taxing physical activity, in fact even in its current (arguably watered down) framework you can absolutely practice in an exhausting way.the reason why this isn't done outside of rare occurrences is that there aren't external factors pushing a "take this seriously" culture onto your average dojo:>no competitionsI'm not even opening the "sportivization of aikido" can of worms, I would be just as fine with some more frivolous form of competition like embukai where you're rated on form alone (I would in fact actually be more than fine with it, it fits better in aikido's current image and would still be a very challenging physical endeavor that's worth training for). anything that'd push any semblance of standard of quality would be better than the total lack of anything we have now>belt exams are a farceyou're not forced to adhere to any kind of physical standard, just technical, nor are you forced to take the exam with an external commission. logic dictates that if your own teacher both deems you ready to take the exam and is the examinator, the exam itself becomes purely performative.it's no wonder that, when your teacher is the only cultural reference point in a dojo, and that teacher himself has no external pressure to adhere to certain standards, mcdojos flourish and aikido's image takes a nosedive. in the current landscape you as a practitioner are asked to be mature enough to take your shit seriously, plus you need to be lucky to be in a dojo of people who also take it seriously. in general we deserve every last bit of the reputation we currently have and I would never recommend anyone to start aikido if I don't know the instructor I'd be sending them to
Akido is amazing
>>255019How so? It's useless.
>>247991anecdotally, the only aikido style I've seen working are students of Nishio. Because he didn't want to make a new style of aikido, the students are all just calling it aikido, and then maybe mention they were trained by nishio.They all train aikido as if it is a striking art, and crosstrain in something else that has sparring. At least anecdotally what I've seen in Finland.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z29W0d3844k&list=PLdqd63ojD06uWepmygOTT5CKoEohFNY_z&index=1&pp=iAQB
>>248038Lmao
>>254634Only sane post here. Boxe and muay thai as well
>>254634Well i am a weeb and an idiot...
>>247991Its kind of pointless to even talk about aikido without referencing some teacher or group. It all looks the same from the outside but even within the biggest organization, the aikikai, high level practitioners can't even agree on what aikido originated as, what aikido is now and what direction it should go in. That isn't getting into the hundred other organizations. Aikido can't agree if its a modern form of Jujutsu, an internal art, an art based around weapons and self defense, a spiritual pursuit, there are even groups that spar and hold tournaments.
>>248038Whatever you say, Mr. Seagal. Have a great time at the buffet tonight!
>>248039Hey, Mr. Seagul. Do you remember that time you killed a puppy by driving the APC that belonged to that Louisiana sheriff's office through some family's living room? And then it even turned out that you drove through the living room of the wrong house?
>>248039Because I remember, Mr. Seagul. I remember. Anyway, did your disgusting, morbidly obese ass enjoy gorging yourself at the buffet, Mr. Seagul?
>>254634Add Isshinryu and maybe Shorei-Goju to that list and then you will be able to kick some serious ass. And some TKD. The real taekwondo, not the places that babysits kids. Being able to actually kill someone with a proper head/neck kick is always a good skill to have.
Could the reason aikido doesn’t work have a lot to do with ruleset? In Aikido most techniques are designed to take the opponent to the ground. If you try that in an MMA gym getting to the ground in practically a win condition of a lot of fighters. Also, wristlocks, while technically legal in UFC can be easily mistaken for illegal grabbing of glove maneuvers. Similar situation with heel-palm strikes to the chin and knifehand strikes to the side of the neck.
>>255541Nah it's because no one's gonna hang onto your fucking wrist for long enough for you to do your flowy bullshit. That and they don't pressure test.
>aikido
