Today's the 20th anniversary of the DEENime. Say something nice about it.
These threads were pure before S*tsugou...Also K1 was meant for Mion's mions. Best girl. Didn't go insane not even once
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>>287269241IPAH
Smol hamster cheeked Rika is my favorite.
in these 20 years, there hasn't been a girl in anime that gives the "i can fix her" vibes more than Rena
>>287269094I want to fill Sonozaki's wombs with my seed.
>>287269094for me it's satoko (daughter) and rena (schizophrenic wife)
my beloved
>>287270161I love her
>>287269094Unequivocally the best horror anime ever.
>>287270161>>287270759Why do they call her an old man,
what was K1 thinking when he got in Shmion's rape dungeon without any backup? at least bring Rena with you.
>>287270879I remember having nightmares as a kid after watching the first 4 episodes. I even had to talk to my mother about it, lmao.
>there are people who prefer Umineko over thisYuck
>>287271730How old were you?!
>>28727176411, but I was mostly sheltered from violence in tv and games growing up.
>>287271455Because Rena would have beaten the shit out of Shmion and solved everything herself
>>287272053so it was basically a plot convenience. it seemed completely baffling to me when I played it.
>>287272387It's definitely the weakest episode overall.
>>287271455Because he owes Mion as much, after breaking her heart and lying to her. That's his thought process at least.
>>287272387He was trying to make amends for what he had done, and Rena thought Mion wanted to spend time with the boy she liked before being arrested so she let it happen. It was just more of Shion fooling them with the Mion act.
>>287271880Fair enough. I always found Higurashi too comfy to be disturbing or scary. It’s still a great horror but it’s more thrills than chills should I say, at least for me.What was it that spooked you the most?t. Never actually watched the anime in full. Finished the VN though.
NIPAH
I watched episode one during a Blackwing Lair raid. Oh man...
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>>287269094The appeal has never been the horror or the mystery when it came to Higurashi and it seemed that Deen didn't really get that. They also cut a lot of important details from Meakashi. Still was a good anime on its own, the VN is just much better.
>>287275304>The appeal has never been the horror or the mystery when it came to Higurashiwhat the fuck are you talking about??
>>287275419>Anime only
>>287275304The horror and mysteries are a huge part of the appeal but certainly not the way Deen pulled it off.
>>287273111Episode 4 was the most scared I've got from an anime ever. Scenes like Rika stabbing herself or crows feeding off of her stand out in my memory, not for being scary but for how unexpected they were.For reference, the most scared I've been by a jump scare ever was when in elementary school I bought Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark, I flipped through some pages and landed on the illustration for The Bride story. I got so scared I gave the book away to another kid and got made fun for it. I owned that book for less than a minute.
>>287275304The DEEN anime is a straightforward horror and simplified a lot of things for shock value and to save time. The VN is a dense mix of genres.
The Hanyuu soundpost is dead. What happened? Did it get removed from catbox?
>>287277164Maybe catbox deleted a few old files? Just reupload it and change the filename if you have it saved
>>287277164The links die after a while it seems, but some super old ones still work so it's kinda up there
>>287277164It’s FUCKING OVER.
Twenty more years
>>287275419I haven't watched the anime but it basically stops being horror altogether after ep 2. Onikakushi is the only one that is scary for an extended period of time, with Watanagashi having a few genuinely uncomfortable scenes (exploring the storehouse is really well done). After that the horror is drastically toned down in favour of exploring character's psychological states, pushing the mystery angle, and pushing the power of friendship stuff.
>>287280843The anime pushes the horror elements super hard at the detriment of everything else, that's why its a surefire way to tell who has and hasn't read the VN.
>>287280891I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not desu, I really liked the horror aspects, they were the only good things about ep 1 and 2 for me. OTOH I can't imagine ep 3 being good in anime format at all, Keiichi's paranoia as he kills Teppei and the resulting panic when everyone tells him he was at the festival is crazy. The car ride is exquisite too, and I dont know if you can portray that tension properly in third person, I'd suspect the anime would butcher that.My favourite eps are Tatarigoroshi and Meakashi fwiw, and I think making Meakashi pure horror would also make that arc suck.
>>287280967I mean, ep 3 is still horror. Even ep 4 has creepy parts with Rika stalking Akasaka.Ep 5 is more psychological horror + dangerous thriller so it still kind of qualifies? I remember some spooky scenes. From 6 onwards there's no horror I'll give you that.
>>287280967>I think making Meakashi pure horror would also make that arc suck.And you'd be right! Its easily Deen's worst adapted arc. They even remove the part where its revealed the twins switched on the day of the tattoo. 3 is also butchered by the anime adaptation, but like you said thats not their fault. The series of events where Keiichi snaps to plotting Teppei's murder to killing Teppei to the car ride is like a 6 hour sequence in the VN and my personal favorite part of the whole thing.
>>2872809963, 4 and 5 are very toned down in the type of horror that 1 and 2 are.I don't really know how to explain it but Onikakushi is probably the best feeling of persistent paranoia I've read in anything. 3 is uncomfortable in a different way, like you know something is going wrong but you feel like you have some idea of what is going on that makes it less scary. Rika stalking Akasaka quickly becomes not that scary once you realise she was being nice, plus idk I never really felt Rika was evil at any point so I was never scared of her.5 I will grant you is quite scary, but its a very different type of scary because youre seeing it from the perspective of a killer who has become deranged, and what's scary is seeing what paranoia can do to a person.
>>287281063>1Maybe>2Didn't feel scaredActually I felt like 3 was the only one that came the closest to 1. I even felt personally stalked by the footsteps, kek.
>>287281017>6 hour sequenceI must read fast. Tatari was like 6 hours total for me. The longest arc for me according to steam was Matsuri at 10 hours. Meakashi was like just under 5.I do agree though the later part of Tatari is my favourite sequence in the VN.
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>>287281082I dunno, to me 3 felt like a car crash waiting to happen. Like as soon as Keiichi starts thinking about hiding Satoko in his house, you know he is not thinking straight and everything is going to go horribly wrong. To me that wasn't really scary.If anything the thing about 3 that I felt most strongly wasnt fear, or even uncomfortableness. It was powerlessness. Keiichi having to watch Satoko being abused, knowing he can't help her, seeing the adults around him fail to help her and feeling there is no way out. Its a pretty awful feeling but its not really horror to me, but I felt awful in a different way, which is why I love Tatarigoroshi.
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>>287280754She is so sexy
>>287280996>Rika stalking AkasakaImagine being stalked by this thing. Pure unimaginable horror.
>>287272583>It was just more of Shion fooling them with the Mion act.>LMAO I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY FELL FOR IT>wait I'm actually kind of pissed they fell for itsuch a different scene from Wata to Meakashi
>>287283401My wife and our best friend!
>>287269094I used to watch this every summer just for the vibes. Then sotsugou soured me on the franchise and I took a break from r07 stuff.
>>287276861It had a lot of mystery intrigue too. I remember trying to figure out the truth back when Kai was just airing, I really loved all the red herrings Takano spread around to hide the truth.
>>287269645She's already perfect
>>287283401>>287284969Cute!
>>287284279It was fun making theories while watching the anime. Must have been even more fun to read the vns first and get to experience the full story with all it's worldbuilding and characterizations before you know the outline of the story.
>>287269094it's a bad adaptation that fucks up the series' tone and makes some really embarrassingly inexcusable mistakes compared to the VN or manga, but the music *is* good, and the OPs especially are iconic for good reason.
SHIP RANKINGS:Satokei > ShiiToshi > KeiShii > KeiRena > KeiRika> KeiMii
>>287286711>KeiShiiSupreme tastes
>>287286270It's bad as an adaptation of the vn, but it's a good anime. It's also the case where the low budget wasn't a disadvantage, but actually made it creepier.
>>287269275>alwaysNow look at India.
What do Satokofags have against this old man?
>>287287844Why do they call her old man?!
>>287287858Mion refers to herself as "this old man"
>>287287858She spent a lot of time helping out her relatives in their shops, many of which are old men so she picked up their behaviour and began jokingly calling herself that.
>>287287858Because she reeks of old men
>>287288216probably where she heard all those dirty jokes and decided to repeat them to the club every day.
>>287288281I doubt old men are forcing each other's faces into their breasts
>>287288420Mion's relatives advised her on how to sexually harass K1 more effectively
>>287287844They are jealous because she is more popular and has good romance with kei-chan.
>>287287167Doing god's work
>>287288740>good romance with K1 Lol
>>287289425Absolute sextoko every single day
>>287287858>>287288216It's actually from the town council meetings, but, yeah, that's the explanation R07 gave in an interview.Note this was the original Mion, the Mion we know is just keeping up the character "Mion" is supposed to have.
>>287290828The Sonozaki Mion we know is like Plato's Socrates. It's hard to tell how much is genuine truth and how much is fabrication to make a point.
>>287290828So who's exactly Mion?
>>287292542My wife.
>>287288420>>287288467Love those shocked Rena expressions.
>>287289425fuck.
>>287289425Keiichi is so lucky...
Rena is incredibly hot when she goes insane.
>>287296767As someone who adores crazy sexy girls, Rena is the only girl in anime history that was simply too scary for me. I couldn’t handle her.
>>287269299WTF when did Shion become a witch?!
>>287224289Just read the tea party and holy fuck that was crazy. Did not expect anything like that to happen.
>>287300271In Umineko the Tea Party and ??? scenes are effectively part of the chapter, unlike Higurashi where the after cast party is just a recap/speculation. So make sure you read them all.
>>287300317>In Umineko the Tea Party and ??? scenes are effectively part of the chapterEvidently so. I put off reading it for a bit because the ending of the novel proper was really intense and I didn’t want to read what I assumed was going to be a lighthearted comic routine right afterwards. I’m very surprised and pretty impressed. It was a really cool sequence.
>>287299543a very dangerous witch
>>287300513I think its probably an unpopular opinion on /a/ but I think Umineko is better written than Higurashi overall and handles characters and tone much more maturely. That being said, prepare for a slight tone shift at the start of ep 2. Much like Higurashi it resets some things so you wont be starting high tension like the end of ep 1.
>>287300576In the first chapter I could certainly tell that the writing had matured. It was subtle and deliberate, and the structure was refined. I know there are parts coming that are controversial but so far I’m really enjoying it.
>>287301207Personally I loved the answer arcs but they are quite controversial. You'll at least be in for a good ride for the question arcs, then answer is probably gonna be a love or hate it thing.
>>287300576>Umineko is better written than Higurashi overall and handles characters and tone much more maturely>>287301207>subtle and deliberate, and the structure was refinedAre we reading the same thing? Umineko is a fucking mess.
>>287302219Its really not. The prose is dogshit and you could cut the wordcount down by like 33%, the magic scenes could probably all be cut, but despite that its quite good otherwise. The characterisation is very well done.
>>287301245I went in tempering my expectations but now this chapter has gotten me excited. >>287302219Like I said it’s only the first chapter, so there’s plenty of time for it to fuck things up, but yes, so far it’s really good. Seeing as how most of it takes place over the course of a day I’m impressed at how it escalates in tension, and relays dense information while maintaining fluidity.
>>287302627Forget about the prose and "tsumari..." being used like 10000 times in the VN, the characterization is a mess too. Fucking Genji is probably the worst "character" R07 ever wrote, he's basically a robot accomplice that only exists to facilitate the crazy murders.>>287302770First chapter is fine but "more subtle and better structured than Higurashi" is a reach imo. The SOL scenes are more restrained but that's not necessarily a good thing, that just means all you get is stuff like "oh hey that's nice to see you cousin" 20 times instead of these guys playing around like the Higurashi guys.
>>287302770Enjoy it anon. I'd say Episode 1 is about average in terms of quality of the overall story, however as a standalone story that could end there its the best one. None of the other episodes are really amazing in a vacuum and are only good because of how well they all complement each other and build on each other, whereas 1 is something that feels almost disconnected from the rest but stands on its own.My personal rankings would be like 7 > 8 > 4 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 5 > 2 but I imagine the more popular opinions would just put all the answer arcs below the questions. FWIW I don't consider 2 bad, in fact the only Higurashi arcs I prefer over it are Tatari, Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi.
>>287302823The worst character in Umineko is Gohda because he isnt developed at all and all he is is remnants of plot points that were dropped after ep 1. Anyway I dont want to spoil the anon who is reading it but Eva and Maria are probably my favourite characters Ryukishi has written.
>>287302875Gohda at least has a consistent personality and a personality at all compared to Genji who's basically just a stoic guy killing dozens of people for one crazy tranny
>>287302967ANON READING UMINEKO DO NOT READ THIS IF SOMEHOW THE SPOILER TAGS FAIL. Genji is probably one of the worse characters in it. I think Yasu being crazy is fine and I like Yasu has a character personally, even if I think the trannies that self insert and think they are a good person are nuts. But I agree Genji going along with it out of guilt is straight up bizarre, its one thing to feel responsible for how Yasu turned out, but its another thing to kill everyone to make up for it. That being said one thing you have to keep in mind is that Genji did not actually kill anyone, all of the episodes are based on fanfiction that Yasu wrote, and Yasu believed that Genji would kill for them, but Yasu is also retarded and thinks Battler would solve the epitaph when he doesnt give a fuck, and thinks the adults are too dumb to solve it even though they solve it easily. There's a good chance that Genji would just say no fuck off. You have to keep in mind that everything in eps 1 and 2 especially is pure sayo fanfic, and eps 3-7 is battler fanfic based on sayo fanfic, only ep 8 is battler's opinions on his family, and really none of the eps are actually 100% accurate for that reason.
>>287303077I also think Yasu is a good character, well within the context of EP7 and them slowly degenerating into a mess of escapism and delusions. I guess if there's an issue with Yasu it's less with Yasu himself and more with the way the story treats "magic" (delusions) after EP4, that's where it loses this balance, before it was "it's understandable given some characters rough living conditions like Maria but it will also ruin your life" but after that it's "yeah that's the way to do it, only heartless people would disagree".
>>287303235 I think its a misinterpretation of the answer arcs that the message is escapism is good. Its just that it shows how coping mechanisms can actually help people. In Ange's case she would be much happier not knowing that her parents murdered everyone for money and her mother hates her and used her to baby trap Rudolf, that doesnt mean that magic is always good. An example of this is that Kinzo is presented quite nicely through the magic lens and is effectively "forgiven" for his sins. But is this not an example of without love it cannot be seen being taken too far and showing too much love to see such an awful person positively. Then again Ryukishi seems to believe there is no such thing as a person that cannot be redeemed, so maybe in his eyes Kinzo is forgiveable if he repents, personally I don't think he is though. Anyway its fine to disagree with the author's intent, just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its bad, and in fact episode 6 and some of 8 are abour the relationship between the reader and the writer and that they arent necessarily on the same page.
>>287269645To be fair, it's also canon that she is fixable.
>>287303316Well obviously different readers will interpret the message differently and it's quite hard to pinpoint who'd be right given communication is subtle and ambiguous, but at the very least it seemed to me that we were going far too much in the direction of "yeah escapism is valid and appropriate" without enough examples of the opposite. Especially considering that the entire final episode revolved around preventing an inconvenient truth from coming out so that Ange's cope could remain, meaning that it's endorsing escapism on a level that actually requires you to make others comply with you so it's not an individual coping mechanism anymore. Also like you said Ryukishi's morals about forgiveness are just kinda fucked. If you think about it, Kinzo isn't just a mass murderer, he also sequestrated his daughter for 20 years, keeping her in a hidden house away from society, and then when he fucked her and she died Genji thought making the granddaughter crossdress to make Kinzo feel better was a good thing. Like... that's too much, at some point I need some levels of accountability and responsibility. Higurashi's console openings had some lyrics about not shying away from the truth and instead embracing it to go forward. Of course I'm not saying all forms of escapism are bad, just that Ryukishi went too far in one direction. He even made the trick ending bad in an artificial way even though it's a good ending objectively speaking. Anyway, not hating Umineko but I disagree with people saying the writing has "matured"
>>287300576It's a popular enough opinion. No use taking anything said about Umineko on 4chan seriously, all negative opinions are tainted by mental derangement over trannies or from having their epic theory said by a goat.
>>287269094The first Higurashi season was the best because of the emotional toll it inflicted on the viewer. Kai was silly, and showed having a happy ending, while what we wanted for the characters, was not what was best for the narrative.
>>287303640Umineko is tainted by the anime being most people's first impression of it. And a Seacats translation to boot.
>>287303640That's the strawman Uminekofags put up whenever their schizophrenic novel is (rightfully) being criticized for juvenile writing.
>>287303744People whose first (and only) experience with Umineko was the anime don't participate in these discussions at all. They drop that shit and never think of it again.
Higurashi is better then Umineko desu senpai
>>287303763>People whose first (and only) experience with Umineko was the anime don't participate in these discussions at all. They drop that shit and never think of it again.Then...why am I here?
>>287300548GIWTWM
Umineko is a trainwreck. Higurashi weakens noticeably in the last act and a half, but at least it basically sticks to the landing.
>>287304073>sticks the landingteenagers fighting off an entire platoon of armed military men. lol lmao. Matsuri and a good chunk of minagoroshi are dogshit.
>>287304148The entire second half of Umineko is dogshit outside of Erika.
>>287304148Just imagine Bug girl did some magic and made them run in terror
>>287304240Sounds like you lack love. I understand not liking how far it goes in ep 8, but really? even ep 7?
>>28730425>Using the fantasy buzzwords right after he whined about the lack of realism in Matsuribayashi Retarded cretin.
>>287304255Episode 7 is the worst part of Umineko. You are delusional.
I agree. Kinzo did nothing wrong.
Its funny how just saying you like Umineko drives people into a seething rage. Not gonna stop liking it just because some retards on /a/ seethe. At least the guy I was discussing with in spoiler tags had some good points and I had a good discussion with him. Anyway this is a Higurashi thread so we should probably get back on topic.
was there a real reason for the new/recent Higurashi anime to exist?
>>287304480Money
>>287304480An excuse for Ryukishi to not write Ciconia phase 2.
>>2873042557 is alright imo but >>287304073 is right>>287304148They were fighting a bunch of glorified engineers trying to taze them in a deep mountain forest. The engineers were in a race against time and didn't have the numbers to take an area this big. Is it reminiscent of home alone? Yeah, there should've been less focus on muh silly traps. But it didn't entirely come out of nowhere. Still miles above the shit Umineko pulls in the second half.
>>287304480to give us new cute rika screencaps
>Uminigger is confused why he is getting shit on for completely derailing a Higurashi thread What a mystery.
>crashing an anniversary threadThey truly are scum.
>>287304579Glorified engineers is basically a last minute retcon in ep 8 to justify it slightly since in ep 7 they have no problem sniping Ooishi or killing the kids in general. Its just stupid because they only need to catch one kid for it all to fall apart and Satoko is right in front of them numerous times and they fall for the dumb traps over and over instead of just tasing her and grabbing her and using her to threaten the other idiots. Its pretty obvious the Mountain Dogs being a joke was a retcon to make ep 8 slightly more palatable. That's not even getting into all the dumb shit like Akasaka doing 1v20s.
>>287304633>>287304656>crashing>derailinglmao all I did was reply to the guy who was reading ep 1 then have a spoiler tagged conversation with one other guy until you showed up and started having a schizophrenic meltdown and samefagging. Before that I was talking exclusively about Higurashi in this thread.
>>287304686Hey fag? Make an Umineko thread.
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>>287304698I'm not even trying to talk about it in this thread. In fact after that spoiler discussion finished I wasnt talking about it anymore but kept getting replies to the og message. Then I even tried to put it back on track and said we shouldnt derail it. And you still keep trying to bait more because of your mental illness.
>>287304662>last minute retconWas it? The guys sniping Ooishi were the actual military, which Takano's guys were NOT up to fight.And yeah they caught the kids in EP7 but the kids were unprepared and not hiding at the same place if I remember.I'm not entirely disagreeing that the mountain fight part should have been done a bit differently, the way it's done it feels more like a victory lap than a very tense guerilla moment and a race against time. It's not perfect, but story wise there are some reasons to explain what's happening and the tense action scenes came before that. It's flawed, but is it a complete betrayal of themes and characterization? No.>Akasaka doing 1v20sHe never does that. Maybe 1v5 or so, which is definitely within the realm of reason for this kind of fiction, especially with how much buildup the Akasaka save had.
>>287304772When Akasaka is fighting Okonogi, there's a bunch of mountain dog platoons standing by and watching that are too scared to fight him lol even though they would win due to sheer numbers.I'm also pretty sure Ooishi gets sniped by the mountain dogs since its pre Rika being killed and therefore not part of the emergency manual. Granted, apparently there's a few mountain dogs that arent total jobbers and can keep up with Okonogi, but those guys still end up jobbing on the mountain to Satoko's traps somehow lmao.
>>287302823>First chapter is fine but "more subtle and better structured than Higurashi" is a reach imo.Again, it's only the one chapter I'm talking about so the comparison doesn't really hold weight, but I'll maintain that the pacing and plotting are very well designed within the confines of that chapter.>>287302824Thank you anon, I certainly intend to have fun with it.>in fact the only Higurashi arcs I prefer over it are Tatari, Meakashi and Tsumihoroboshi.Those three are easily my favourite arcs, espeically the first two, so you're really getting my hopes up here! Regretfully it seems I've somewhat derailed the thread with my post so I'll stop here.
>>287304813>bunchYeah, not 20 from what I remember though. Not sure if I remember it right or not, if there were actually so many mountain dogs then yeah maybe the scene should have been less exaggerated so that Akasaka's triumphant return feels less magical. Not a dealbreaker either way?>I'm also pretty sure Ooishi gets sniped by the mountain dogs since its pre Rika being killed and therefore not part of the emergency manualSure. It's Akasaka who gets shot by the other guys. I don't think it changes much about Takano's guys skills, maybe they have a sniper, but they weren't authorized to use firearms when searching for Rika at the end. I wont deny there's an inherent silliness to this scene, I just don't think it's as big as people make it to be because of the annoying focus on muh goofy traps.
>>287304836Hopefully I didn't spoil you.To get back on topic, Rena is best girl. Rena's father is the worst piece of shit in this entire R07 universe.
>>287304872If you only read Ep 7 and the connecting fragments parts of Ep 8 you'd think there arent many mountain dogs, like maybe 10-20 guys total. But if you pay attention to how many there are in Matsuri its actually kind of retarded. There's like 4 main groups of them, and each group has like 4 or 5 smaller groups of 4 people each. so there's like 80 mountain dogs lol. If I'm being honest though I don't think Higurashi needed a villain at all. I feel like that's the weakest part of its ending. Just the twist of the paranoia and the hinamizawa disease is enough. Having Takano be a villain and having the super conspiracy takes it into silly territory. The only good part about Takano being like that is a foil for Rika to overcome her weakness and unwillingness to actually fight for the future she wants.
>>287304892I read the other anon's posts and got spoiled... :(But no matter. It's what it is.>Rena's father is the worst piece of shit in this entire R07 universe.Yes, Rena's father is the biggest faggot ever. Imagine having a perfect precious angelic daughter like Rena and treating her as poorly as he does all so you can blow cash on whores like Rina. Unforgivable.
>>287305099Eh, you didn't get the worst spoil ever here, don't worry. It could've been worse and you still have a lot of mystery to eat. Shame on me though.
>>287305099As long as you didnt read anything in the spoiler tags you're fine. the rest of the stuff is pretty unimportant overall. If you read the entired spoiler conversation though then yeah that's rough. Also Rena's dad is a massive loser who doesnt deserve her but I wouldn't say he's even close to the worst.
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>>287305271>I wouldn't say he's even close to the worst.Think about it though.Teppei is a domestic abuser who deserves death but at least he doesn't pretend to not be one. He's a criminal and a piece of shit.Rena's dad? He thinks he's a nice guy, he thinks he's a decent father, and yet he puts his daughter through unimaginable amounts of pain and suffering because he can't fucking stop throwing money at a whore, even though the 13 year old daughter keeps telling him what's happening and the obvious issues here.It got to the point where >>287304892 Rena had to let him get his ass beat by Teppei (who did everyone a favor here) so he'd learn. It's THAT bad.
>>287305197It's fine. I was spoiled a lot in Sotsugyou threads after all. My favourite part of the novels are the characters anyway.>>287305271I definitely avoided the spoilered stuff! Good to know.>Also Rena's dad is a massive loser who doesnt deserve her but I wouldn't say he's even close to the worst.It's hard to get worse than Teppei as a person. But yeah, Rena deserved so much better in her life. Such a hard working girl burdened with so much at such a young age.
>>287305340>>It got to the point where >>287304892# Rena had to let him get his ass beat by Teppei (who did everyone a favor here) so he'd learn. It's THAT bad.Does she say or think that in the novel? I don't remember if so.
There's a sense of quiet sadness with Rena
>>287305374Yep.https://youtu.be/VISq46n5o0o?list=PLPy5ZSFgL2uiofeBP6Aui8nvpgsm489CQ&t=19039
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>>287305406No way... Rena lost?
>>287305384She's been forced to accept very young that the world is a dirty unforgiving place where even the people you love unconditionally will sometimes betray that love for self-interest. Her perspective in Tsumi reveals how she's been forced to grow beyond her years, like when she talks about understanding how Rina has managed to use sex to control her father. It's really sad and disgusting to realize that a child like her has to think and act like an adult to deal with realities her parents should have shielded her from. That premature growth shows up whenever she brings down her facade and lets her true feelings speak. Interestingly though, she never gives in to this world she's victimized by, and remains almost religiously moralistic, unforgiving of even slight lapses in action. She's a complex character.
>>287305384and sometimes loud sadness
>>287305412>>287305435I had forgotten about that completely. It's disturbing to think she has to act in such a way for the man who should've been protecting her.
>>287305479>how she's been forced to grow beyond her yearsDamn, you put it perfectly here.That's why Rena is so relatable, I want to see her hard work succeed. She's the one most deserving of happiness. She has, like you said, an almost religious dedication to her duties and responsibilities, working everyday to keep the lights on in a matter of speaking. Yeah she deserved that fucking bow here.
>>287304892He had a lot of money, a fresh start and a cute daughter to take care of and instead chose to mope because of a whore, spend the money on whores, get scammed by another whore and let his daughter take care of him instead of the other way around.What a useless retard.
>>287305462When it comes to cuteness she can either move mountains or go completely limp.
>>287305545R07 clearly poured a lot of his very obviously stern moralistic ideals into her character, and yeah, she deserves some peace and respite after everything the world has thrown at her. A happy stable family with someone strong to depend on so she can finally let down her guard and take it easy in life is what I want for her.That scene in the junkyard when she's talking, almost preaching, to the other club members is amazing. Unlike other victims of the syndrome she never shies away from her actions, and almost dares others to accuse her of wrongdoing so she can prove otherwise. I can see why you say she's the most relatable, but for me she's actually hard to relate to because I can't really hope to compare to that level of dedication and action. She's totally beyond my abilities, which is why I'm so in awe of her, and a little scared.
>>287305769>A happy stable family with someone strong to depend on so she can finally let down her guard and take it easy in lifeYou know who that is. I guess there are also themes of found family there.>I can't really hope to compare to that level of dedication and actionObviously this 13 year old girl has more guts than everyone on this board but I can really empathize with this earnest, sincere will to see things through. Honesty and efforts might get taken advantage of but in the long run they'll get you results.
>>287305833>Honesty and efforts might get taken advantage of but in the long run they'll get you results.Well said, and Rena would certainly agree. It's like the scene where she talks to Hanyuu in Matsuribayashi and both of them are moved to tears; because after literal lifetimes of hard work and failure they finally get to meet face to face and get the chance to work together. I'm scared of Rena because she shows me my weaknesses as a man. I really can't compete!>You know who that is.I'm honestly a diehard Mionfag, but if Rena ended up with Keiichi I wouldn't complain. He's the only one who is more idealistic than her, evidenced by his ability to break the boundaries between fragments through sheer will alone. She could be happy and live peacefully with him. Motherhood would suit her very well.
