So I just finished Madoka after dropping it pre-Covid times. For some reason I got really into it and just binged in a few days. I don't think Homura did anything wrong. Am I just dumb?
Her actions are understandable.
>>281854470the only thing she's doing wrong is messing with forces she doesn't understand. Her outrage at the universe demanding Madoka sacrifice herself for the greater good is completely warrantedthe upcoming final movie will probably revolve around what kind of shit has started happening due to Madokami having its humanity stripped away leaving only an unfeeling uncaring mechanism
>>281854798So what you're saying is that she made Madokami into the same sort of entity as Kyubey? Just one without humanity?
>>281854836seems like it, yeah. something that's just following it's prime directive with no conscience or empathy
>>281854887Coincidentally got into Faust before watching Madoka. Is this a Hideki Anno "I thought the christian imagery looked cool" or is there something deeper with the Faust references?
>>281854975the faust stuff is 100% intentional and thought out given all the other allusions to german literature.actually speaking of, if you haven't yet you should take the time to look up the profiles of all the witches and what the witchspeak text says for each of their bounded fields
>>281854470There's no reason to fight her at the end. Only some contrived plot thing will force them to undo it
>>281855018where do I start? I know this show has basically been described as "Evangelion but for magic girls", but it does feel like there are a lot of rabbit holes I could fall into. It also feels super cyclic? I mean, that's on purpose but the events of the shows basically revolved around the same keypoints: Homura meeting Madoka Sayaka becoming a witch/dying/whateverMadoka becoming a GodHomura suffers even moreThe same things happen each and every timeline. In a way, it feels pretty small in scope when I put it like that. No matter what happens, those 4 events always have to happenWonder if there's more to making Homura a sort of sisyphus character and rebelling against it. Some subtext I'm missing
>>281854533I don't know what the trope is called (Probably could find it on TVTrope), but the "The world treats the protagonist like shit, so they decide to break it" is one of my favorite tropes when done right. I feel like this one does it well since it seems understandable. But what exactly does she do that's so wrong? She becomes luicifer or something? Do we even seen her do anything actually wrong?
>>281855864IIRC tvtrtopes calls it 'Bullying the Dragon'
>>281855894I feel like bullying the dragon has a connotation of a quick and well-deserved punishment I guess it falls under that category but I was thinking of like Joel's choice to save Ellie in the last of us or even Miles' doing his own thing in Across the Spiderverse. Just someone who, despite knowing it's better for the world to sacrifice their own well-being, says fuck off and decides to not accept reality.
>>281856071fair, I was picturing stuff like in edgy naruto fanfics where the kid that can potentially turn into a giant monster that could kill us all gets regularly beaten and spat on by random villagers until some terrorist faction recruits them
>>281856523Speaking of cringy fanfics, not going to lie, watching Madoka made me feel like I was in the early-mid 2010s again. Wish I could geek over about this show with an old friend of mine from back then. She would go crazy over my thoughts on the show
>>281855864I mean, breaking the world is pretty wrong. By the standards of "the world," at least.She's also created a setting where everyone is happy except herself, who is endlessly miserable. I'd call that wrong. Homura deserves happiness.
>>281855787Start with the Puella Magi Wiki
>>281856712Tell me why Homura should deserve happiness in 40,000 characters or less
>>281854470>I don't think Homura did anything wrong. Am I just dumb?Homura isn't happy. She went against Madoka's intentions out of selfish feelings, and she knows it. She became evil in her own words, and when Madoka regains all of her power, she expects a confrontation against the one person she's sacrificed everything for.
>>281857399Homu.
>>281857399Not that anon, but Homura witnessed constant suffering and kept fighting through multiple timelines just to save her best friend. It was unintentional on her end, but without Homura's determination, hundreds of girls would have met a destiny of eternal damnation
>>281854470>I don't think Homura did anything wrong. Am I just dumb?Is stopping someone from killing themselves bad? What if that persons suicide was morally good? What if that person was the only person to ever care about you? If you stopped that persons suicide would that make you evil? what if you had to, for lack of a better term, trap that person to prevent it? What if the positive result of that persons suicide remained? Even with that person being alive? Would you still be evil, could you consider that evil?
>>281857615Homura isn't evilHomura is a stupid, self hating depressive mentally ill women obsessed and in love with the one person who ever really gave a shit about her. But i wouldn't say that is evil, even if it goes against the wishes of Madoka, i don't think preventing what is essentially a suicide is a bad thing. The LOC is continuing anyway
>>281857531I feel like suffering is the only constant throughout the timeline. It's all just doomed Yuri all the way down. I was more invested into Sayaka and Kyouko's relationship. I wish there was more! I need to find shipping art of them to cure the void.
>>281857659The question is if Madoka loves Homura as much as Homura loves Madoka. I think Homura loves Madoka even more than Madoka loves herself
>>281857745I believe.
>>281857760>I think Homura loves Madoka even more than Madoka loves herselfDefinitelyBoth Homura and Madoka are self hating, and Homura is far more obsessive and reliant on Madoka then Madoka ever was with her. I don't think either could really live without the other but Madoka would be able to deal with that far better Homura ever did
>>281857813Spoilers for walpurgisnacht?
>>281857745>Sayaka and Kyouko's relationship. I wish there was more! I need to find shipping art of them to cure the void.
>>281857870Homura seems very co-dependent on Madoka for her mental well-beingMadoka doesn't seem as co-dependent emotionally but I think she relies on Homura for her physical safety/resetting the timeline every time she dies. Even in a world without magic, I can see Madoka living without Homura. I can't see a world with Homura living without Madoka. Pretty sure she'd kill herself if she knew there was no Madoka-(Kami)
I wonder if we will get more shipbait of these two during Kaiten
>>281857870Homura probably hates herself, or at least doesn't value her own happiness, but I don't think that's the case with Madoka. She just loves others more than herself.
>>281857924Given this looks like Nichijou, guessing this fan art is like 10+ oldCould potentially be older than a lot of people on this board right now
>>281857909>Even in a world without magic, I can see Madoka living without Homura. I can't see a world with Homura living without Madoka. Pretty sure she'd kill herself if she knew there was no Madoka-(Kami)If it wasn't for Madoka (and Mami) she would have, granted that is because of the Witch but i still think it's possible she would have tried again if it wasn't for Madoka.She probably wouldn't have lasted very long even if she was happy because of her heart condition anyway
>>281857813Adorable
>>281858096I think she will be happy one dayI hope so at least
>>281857980Do we have suicidal/severely depressed Homura fan art?14 Years should produce a lot of it, no? Searching for fan art is somehow worse than it was back in 2012
>>281857870Is fan art supposed to depict them when theyre older or something?That's against the rules!
>>281857659>>281857615Low-IQ Anon here. What do you mean by preventing a suicide? Like Madoka becoming a god? Basically ripping half of her as a way to "save" her?
>>281858167>What do you mean by preventing a suicide? Like Madoka becoming a god?Yeah basically. Both her becoming the LOC and becoming a Magical Girl>>281858123>Do we have suicidal/severely depressed Homura fan art?There's some out there
>>281858123Of course.
I think >>281856712 is the go-to "Homura in despair" picture for me. I don't have very many, though. Can't imagine why.
>>281858272>>281858261>>281858254>>281858232What do I search to find more? Just using Danbooru isn’t enough and the internet got sterilized
>>281858342Pixiv. Gelbooru's less choosy with uploads. Probably a bunch on Twitter, but good fucking luck searching that.
>>281857959it's from 2014
>>281858393I started using 4chan when I was 10There’s definitely 11 year olds lurking on this site. Rather than Lucky Star, Gurren Lagann, and Evangelion, they’re talking about Solo Leveling, Frieren, and Evangelion
>>281858342I Mostly use Twitter, /a/, /v/, Pixiv and Safebooru
>>281858378>>281858123Please post more if you have any; I enjoy looking at these for some reason.
>>281858692>I enjoy looking at these for some reason.Sayaka...
>>281857745>I was more invested into Sayaka and Kyouko's relationship. I wish there was more!there's plenty of it in the PSP game
>>281858692There’s some absurdly ethereal about mentally ill/suicidal young people? It’s romanticized but there’s gotta be something deeper than that. Like, there’s a reason the suicidal young adult trope is even found in Greek literature. A fucking Roman emperor made an entire religion around his femboy after he killed himself. There’s just an appeal to it. I guess youth is valuable on its own, so maybe that plays a part of it. Like a rejection of growing old and rotting
>>281858735How much fucking media is there? I thought Evangelion was bad. Can I just get away with watching the OG series + Rebellion?
>>281858780>How much fucking media is there?a lot>I thought Evangelion was bad. Can I just get away with watching the OG series + Rebellion?those are the only things that are canon so yes
>>281858598I dont use twitter. I think my development years were ironically better by using 4chan and tumblr instead.Kinda depressing there isn’t as many good art sites anymore. I’d spend hours on tumblr. Now I got to either get lucky with a thread here or go on /vg/ if I’m looking for game fan art
>>281858692I want to help her. But it's impossible. Nobody can. You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped. >>281858455>Lucky Star, Gurren Lagann, and Evangelion>Solo Leveling, Frieren, and EvangelionkekGurren Lagaan and Frieren are actually good, though.
>>281858598go back, /v/ermin
>>281858840>But it's impossible. Nobody can.Madoka is probably the only person who could
>>281854470Well she did do something wrong, believing that flower garden Madoka's words were what the current Madoka would have wanted. Homura was still right to take over though, because the incubators were trying to catch the LoC and use it for their own goals so she couldn't just watch that happen.
I need KyoSaya art now!
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>>281859090Super Cute
I wish she didn't hate herself
>>281858799Cute
>>281859846I could make it happen if you make a contract with me.
>>281859846I'm not sure if she's capable
>>281860142Then someone has to teach her how.
>>281860142Then i will pray for a world where she is
I like to believe that Akemi Homura is capable of happiness. I will continue to believe in that
>>281857924and doubles down
>>281858455>admitting to having been underage while browsing herekysadult website, underage retards get the ban hammer
>>281858598What an embarrassing post
If we have two threads up at once is it possible that one of them could ignore the schizo and actually talk about Madoka for once
>>281858911That will bring some gay images. You evil.
>>281854470>I don't think Homura did anything wrong.You are absolutely right.
Homura is a sweet
>>281861887Mami's smug expression here makes me kek
>>281861887Why are you talking about yourself in third person?And you don't want to discuss Madoka.
>>281862798It's cute
>>281854975>Is this a Hideki Anno "I thought the christian imagery looked cool" or is there something deeper with the Faust references?There definitely are some similar motifs, like the obvious deal with the Devil/Kyubey, Faust/Homura constantly striving, Gretchen/Madoka embodying kindness/innocence/femininity and saving the day at the end, Gretchen/Madoka getting preggers and then murdering the newborn.
>>281854975>>281862982Urobuchi himself didn't write with Faust in mind at all, only the rest of the team made visual and thematic references to Faust after the script had already been written. And it was mostly because of Kyubey's character.
>>281863063That's how it should be done imo. It helped to prevent the Faust parallels from being too on the nose and the symbolism and references are still meaningful and not empty.
What's her favourite food
What would she think of Homucifer?
>>281854470>>281857443>>281857760>>281857870It's important to remember that while Homura does love Madoka, it is a selfish love. Homura basically never considers what Madoka herself actually wants in any situation. Homura wants to control and possess Madoka, regardless of what Madoka wants. She has never once treated Madoka like an equal that was allowed to make her own decisions, because all Homura cares about is to have her comfort wife around to make HER happy.
>>281865251You're completely retarded. Everything Homura ever did was to get Madoka as far away from herself as she could. Homura's love is neither sexual nor romantic nor selfish nor anything like that. She just believes Madoka deserves better than the fates she tends to bring upon herself.
>>281858254>>281858261>>281858378>>281858692>>281858731Persona 3 referenced
>>281861363I’m a college graduate working full-time. I’ve been here for a while now. You probably don’t even know who Moot is
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Does Homura have Borderline Personality Disorder? She and Sayaka seem to be the most mentally ill out of the cast
>>281857813Super cute.
>>281863321Madussy.
>>281866383Just ignore the schizo, he makes up shit about you or anyone.
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>>281867388Mami seems like she has a “older sister/mommy” complex. Wouldn’t call it a savior complex but she seems to always think what she’s doing is right Kyouko is a traumatized tomboy orphan. Wish there was more development for her but she seems relatively stable in comparison Madoka’s somehow pretty stable. Unironically probably the most stable out of anyone, but she also has the least baggage compared to anyone at the beginning Sayaka’s bipolar as fuck. Her wish also gets her cucked, so I understand why she becomes a witchYou could write an entire paper on Homura
>>281867463I think Kyouko's development in the series is great already but if you want more of her I recommend reading The Different Story manga spinoff. It's part Mami/Kyouko backstory and part alternate timeline.
>>281867463I think Kyouko is the most stable. She shows the least emotion and somehow didn't fall into despair despite her family dying in such a fucked up way.I don't know if bipolar is the term I'd use for Sayaka but she definitely becomes depressed and suicidal.
