Vegeta has not gotten a single win against any major villain, and only ever appears to be humiliated in some shape or fashion against them instead.I'd like to know why?
Because he's not the main character?To put it bluntly this is not the "Kakaroth and Vegeta show", he's important but still a secondary character compared to Goku.
>>281859987Didn't stop Gohan from killing CellOr Trunks from killing Freeza
>>281859952Because his main purpose to be the jobber that hypes up the boss and Goku. His whole schtick is being a cocky retard and losing
>>281860049Gohan was gonna be the new mc, rebuilt frieza was fodder for the cell arc to look impressive.
Post only the best art by Toyotaro.
How strong is Oob?
>>281859952The real answer is Toriyama hated him originally, but couldn't keep him dead because he got insanely popular and eventually he came around on him(unlike Yamcha), which is why he gets a bit more respect Buu Saga and onward.
>>281859952Vegeta isn't there to win against major villains, he's there to be the major villain Goku can't beat
>>281860803More like he couldn't retain the form long enough to beat Majin Vegeta since he was dead and would've just woken Buu up faster.
Is Bejita really this short?
>>281860049Gohan managed to kill Cell only because Goku held his hand and told him "It's ok, Son, I am with you even if dead", while Future Trunks killed a patched Frieza that plot wise would have lost even against Yaozi at that point.They simply did someting Goku could have accomplished quite easily.
>>281860939>YaoziI think you meant to say Jiaozi.
>>281860962ye sorry, my bad.
What's next for Piccolo? Will be see Orange Piccolo vs. Any of the Saiyans?
>>281861679I wish these movies just kept being made. Imagine this dude turning orange?
Did Goku not use SSJ4 because he knew it would be no match for Beerus?
>>281862373You can probably headcanon Goku was knocked out before he could power up into SSJ4 and didnt use it later because God was superior and didnt change his body as drastically.
>>281859952He beat Puipui, though.
>>281862415>>281862373True. Nothing would change since god forms and UI would still be the main forms. Goku didn't even bother trying to go blue in the other super saiyan forms unless you count SSR3 Goku Black from heroes.
>>281864100
>>281864552Krillin’s dream btw
>>281860566Tien…
>>281859952>gets "redemption" arc during moro>jobs and goku has to clean up anywayKek. A. Roo.
>>281864973He ripped it out of his chest.
>>281864916Vegeta got real annoying during Granolah with the whole >THE SINS OF MUH SAIYANS
>>281859952Toriyama repeatedly went on record saying he didn't like Vegeta, while he's a huge fan of Goku. Vegeta just became too popular for him to kill off. Even if he had tried again, his editor probably wouldn't have let him. I imagine that fostered some resentment towards the character, and given how petty Toriyama was known to be that manifested as Vegeta constantly be Worfed in the most humiliating way possible, usually to make Goku look that much better. Even as recently as Daima, Vegeta was finally given Super Saiyan 3 in a questionably canon capacity, something Vegetafags have been screaming for for years, only to immediately job and get outshone by Goku debuting the new version of Super Saiyan 4 that he apparently somehow partially unlocked while training and just didn't tell anyone.Vegeta was a victim of his own popularity and his mangaka's petty nature.
>>281860049Gohan was built up as the new MC from almost the beginning of the Z era, even though that ended up not happening.Freeza himself only showed up at the beginning of the Android arc for Trunks to effortlessly kill the previous big bad and then immediately tell Goku the people he's up against make Freeza look like nothing. Trunks himself was used as a plot device there along with Freeza.
>>281859987It doesn't have to be like that tho. Practically all other major shounen manga/anime give their important secondary cast big wins. Be it One Piece, Naruto, Bleach etc. Hell, even fucking Kuwabara gets some major Ws in YYH. And it's not even that Vegeta is some minor supporting character, he's practically been the deuteragonist ever since the Cell arc ended.Also, most of the hate GT received was precisely due to it being "The Goku Show."
>>281864552That looks like a fun Halloween idea, but they messed up the tail. A Saiyans tail is either wrapped around their waist or loose.
>>281865219I think Toriyama is a fucking faggot for hating Vegeta but I can also kind of understand why he treated the character as he did.I would honestly probably do the same as an author if a character I hated and didn't plan on having around for long became too popular to remove from the story.
>>281860594
>>281865667I also think he was a faggot and that Vegeta is generally speaking a much more interesting character than Goku, at least at first and especially as a deuteragonist/antihero.I think Toriyama probably felt that the way Vegeta went out on Namek was a really good way to end his narrative, which to be fair I agree with, and then essentially being forced to undo that likely really annoyed him.
>>281865219>>281865667The thing is Toriyama used to hate Vegeta but that was back when he was drawing the seriesHe mellowed out over time and Vegeta ended up as one of his favorite characters during the revival era, so it's weird to see him still treat Vegeta with humiliation and disdain despite him being one of his favorites
>>281866100Old habits die hard I guess. Toriyama was an old man, and old men tend to be creatures of habit. I imagine it's probably even more pronounced in a place like Japan, where routine and habit are seen as the mark of a successful, disciplined person.
>>281862373Canon SSJ4 needs tail or magic to transform. Can't transform anymore because the magic wore off.>source: my headcanon
>>281866245That's probably the best way to do it if you're trying to put Daima and Super into one continuity. I expected them to mention Goku only being able to use SS4 so well because they were in the Demon Realm.
>>281866168Doing the same thing over and over again is discipline? insanity is discipline?
>>281866315But enough about the reason why Ultra Ego is garbage...
>>281866315Talk to the Japs. Their work culture and the way they interact with society in general is kind of insane.
Super Saiyan Devil Super Saiyan Red Goten
I still can't believe they gave Goku auto dodge and then gave Bejita a literal jobber technique where he gets stronger the more he gets beat up kek
I am BEJITA RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>281859952Winning Bulma is the ultimate victory and hes based unlike tardku
>>281865955Correct, vegeta death in namek was perfect, the editors clearly forced him to bring him back due to his popularity but toriyama didnt have any plans for him and the fans/editorial keep requesting for more vegeta and toriyama doesnt like being told what to do.What else can you do with vegeta if not a repetition of namek? Vegeta is cocky but butthurt at goku, he betrays or fucks everything up and then gets a humble pie by the antagonist.The only interesting was his apology to gohan and his final dialogue at the end of the cell saga, otherwise he is boring.
>>281869160Who is Vegeta
>>281866355>>281868170>it's a Gokubro lies about the Granolah arc episode
>>281869399Where is the lie? Vegeta used Ultra Ego and jobbed badly against Granolah and GasIt was a joke of a power up
>>281869598Goku lost the exact second Granolah got serious, unlike UE Vegeta.
>>281859952He should try going to the gym more.
Why didn't Goku demand his wife wear his colors?
Do you think Future Trunks ever went to a timeline and had sex with Bulma, making her get pregnant with their incestuous child? Do you think Goku survived the Heart Virus in that timeline?
>>281871035>Future Trunks ever went to a timeline and had sex with BulmaHe most likely went to the GT timeline to fuck GILFma since he likes very old women.
Bejita is my FUARDING HERO
>>281871129Future Trunks the Degenerate is so lucky...
>>281862373SHITper = not canonDAIPA = not canonGrandeTaco = not canon
>>281864552Looks like a Goku bro country.
>
UI Goku and UE Bejita will potara into Ultra Vegito to beat Black Freeza
>>281873730Ultra Benito will job.
>>281866100>so it's weird to see him still treat Vegeta with humiliation and disdain despite him being one of his favoritesToriyama has said Piccolo is one of his favorites since forever, and after his fight with 17, Piccolo has been a jobber and the butt of jokes up until Super Hero powered him up. So Vegeta still being treated like a jobber isn't surprising.
>>281873730Freeza will potaro with Cooler forma de Canon and kill Jobgito.
Why did they even redesign SSJ4, man it looks so shit now
>>281872117the king of the multiverse
so when ui and ue become mid tier forms like blue what will they pull out of their asses next?calvo?
Happy Labor Day Weekend, from a TRUE American patriot! Son Goku!
>>281876800Man, I miss DBZ Beckett.
Incredible art.
They should give a Live-Action Dragonball movie another shot to revitalize the series. It worked with One Piece, so why not try this?
>>281873730>Bejeeto winning a fighr
>>281879021a fight.
>>281859952Haha
>>281859952hes the second place guy
>>281879241That's gay. Delete this and don't be gay.
>>281877046Faces aren't good but everything else is
>>281859952bring>wha-BRING!
>>281859952Because Dragonball isn't an ensemble cast show, it stars Goku (and Gohan once since Toriyama wanted to do a passing of the torch but then gave up).It's not like Vegeta is the only character in this situation. It only stands out due to modern DB pushing him as Goku's rival who's almost always around his level, but they had no intention to actually make him the lead over Goku.
>>281879978Bring WHAT?And perhaps....
>>281880038>Bring WHA-BRING!
It's because dragon ball has horrible writing
>>281880102Understood.Follow me....
My hero is such a disgraced faggot…
Buu>Incell>SHITza
Here is a fun video about Granolah's design being bad and how it does not fit with Dragon Ball's art style. Seems like another "L" for Toyo.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7-pXYu7q5g&ab_channel=SungrandStudios
>>281879544I was born this way though...
which character would improve the story the most by being the opposite gender
>>281881228Why the fuck did our hero say this Tienbros?
>>281881136Cell
>>281881136If Bulma was a cute femboy I think Bejita would've loved her more
>>281859952toriyama doesn't like vegeta, as simple as that
If a gay character fused with a straight character and they saw a naked man, would they become fully erect or only become semi-hard?
>>281859952Just wanted to draw that bejita sama as an exercise
I had a dream last night where Goten saved me from a falling building
>>281883442Goku just had a fight against Perfect Cell for a solid hour and didn't have a senzu. Bejita couldn't even hurt Perfect Cell 10 days earlier btw.
>>281884445>Cope
>>281884471It's just facts.
MY HEROES
>>281884511Now post Cell after the final flash.
>>281884592Ok.
>>281884662>>281884445>Bejita couldn't even hurt Perfect Cell 10 days earlierI accept your concession.
>>281884681There's no concession on my end. Bejita was so weak Cell couldn't take him seriously. He mocked him after Final Flash and allowed himself to get hit by the attack.
>>281883439>>281883439goten could never carry a building
Goku won btw.
>>281884812I remember when Toriyama redrew this live.
>>281884812Fucking kek.
>>281883181Where’s the cock bulge??
why is vegeta so weak?magetta only weighs 100kg
>>281885509Bejita is so weak and pathetic KWAB
>>281885785Remember when cried like a woman in front of Godku>Kakarotto-sama please avenge the race I'm prince of by defeating that guy that just killed me. I'm too weak to do it myself. Btw thanks for being such a kind hearted Saiyan and digging me a hole as a grave for my impending death considering I killed the last guy who cared about me in COLD BLOOD for jobbing to you Kakarotto-sama
>>281883181Hey not bad
I still laugh about this how fucking humiliating
Anyone have any head canon/schizo theories about how U6 Earth perished?
>>281886137>I killed the last guy who cared about me in COLD BLOOD for jobbing to you Kakarotto-samaSaid guy was also his guardian/father figure for most of his life.
>>281884700>allowed himself to get hit by the attackMajor understatement, Cell not only intentionally took the hit but also dropped all ki protections while doing so AND willingly let himself experiance the pain of dismemberment and exposed nerves to truly sell it. He had to put on an Oscar performance to make sure he could truly shatter Vegeta's ego.
>>281859952Vegeta already won the ultimate prize: Bulma. Think about it. Bulma is a super genius who can invent basically anything Vegeta wants AND she's retarded rich. He lives a life of luxury and zero financial stress while getting fuck his hot wife's tight ass whenever he wants. >But he loses fightsOh no, now he has to go home and sit in a jacuzzi while a butler gets him infinity food and his wife sucks the soul out of his cock, the horror!
>>281885785>>281885509>>281888426Looking back at it, toriyama and co. really went out of their way to humiliate vegeta every arc
>>281888207They said they died out long ago due to war Maybe the Red Ribbon Army version of U6 tried to take over, and with no Goku the earth military used nuked and whoops
>>281888903Ive been waiting my entire life for bejita to get ONE main villain takedown
>>281884812Why are Gohan and Tien such psycho Chads?
>>281888207Probably nukes. Without someone to deal with the insane threats that likely plagued it in U6, the military at some point would probably have been forced to try nukes/whatever the Dragon Universe's equivalent of them is which could have led to a chain reaction that eventually rendered the planet unlivable.>>281889124Well, if it ever happens now, it unfortunately won't be canon.
>>281888207I'm pretty sure it was explained during the ToD.
>>281889431I think it was said that u6 earths destroyed itself over some retarded war
>>281888207They had an "idiotic war" according to Vados and it completely destroyed the ecosystem and drove the Earthlings to extinction. So like others have said, yeah probably nukes.
LOOK WHO'S BACK
Goku.
>>281890222... lost to HIM.
Never forget.
Jiren is dumb as a mule. If he was really that strong, he could've won in the first 20 minutes, but the retard had to meditate.
The Heroine who saved Nissan/Renault.
>>281890573Black Freeza and Vegito?
>>281890712Muh something something stoic aura.Jiren is a dumb bastard.
>>281890799Gotta tell the AI to good Tien and Piccolo next time but cute
>>281890799Sloppa.
>>281889124Bejita did beat a main villain: Gokek
It might sound a bit odd but one of the worst things a villain can do imo is to up and kill their minions for no discernible reason.It's a double edged sword though. On one hand I should be happy someone like Spopovich is killed because of what he did to Videl, but on the other hand, I can only think "Man, how evil must Babidi be if he did THAT?"
>>281892052It took both Frieza and Goku to take him down.
>>281892726Yeah, SHITren lost to tired base Goku and tired Freeza. What a strong guy. KEK.
>>281892760He was tired too.
>>281893514And he lost.What's your point, you retarded avatarfag?
>>281892659It's also just retarded from a position of pragmatism. They really drove that point home with Freeza vs Cooler. Freeza ruled through fear alone, nobody actually respected him except maybe Captain Ginyu, because he treated his minions like shit and routinely murdered them for arbitrary reasons. Whereas Cooler treated his Armored Squadron like employees and even offered to step in when they weren't strong enough to handle someone instead of just killing them like Freeza likely would have.
>>281893535That it took two people to take him down.
>>281893890Two people at their absolute weakest. SHITren jobbed. SHITren is a failure. He couldn't even knock out a defenseless base Goku BEFORE he got tired.
>>281893924Goku rarely gets knocked out.
>Uub special>flashback slice of life chapterMeh...
Jiren won. Goku was disqualified by plot armor hacks. SISSYza disqualified by skillet91. WINNYROO RENNYWON
>>281883442>>281884812
Jiren, the well known and loved chad, never lost a fight in his life.
>>281893638It's Toei that makes Frieza go overboard with killing minions.
Tien will be made the next protagonist.
Yup. The optional minigame? The winner.
so in the shitnga, how did 17 subdue the cell jrs in the first place?
Now look what I found here.They're selling T-shirts of MY HERO.
>>281860049The second half (the Z portion) of Dragon Ball is Gohan's story.
>>281895410ultimate tien is ssj3 goku tier
>>281860939>Future Trunks killed a patched Frieza that plot wise would have lost even against Yaozi at that point.Mecha Frieza is stronger than namek frieza
>>281889096Or some sort of thing involving Piccolo Sr. Feels like no Goku means either them or RR snowball out of control. That or they fight each other to the death as they engage in an evolution vs innovation arms race. Piccolo mutates a spawn to do X, RR make an robot/Android to counter that.
>>281894091I dropped it after they hyped up the final fight and Goku lost instantlyTerrible fucking writing
>>281895770>Gohan's story>Jobs to Buu and is removed from the story until the end where he comes back and Jobs to Buu again and dies
CAUSE I'M THE BEST SHONEN MC, YES I AM, I MADE NARUTOJEETS KILL THEMSELVES, YES I DID!
You know what I realised? If you were to turn the original manga into a movie series, it'd probably look something like this:1.Pilaf2. First Tournament3. Red Ribbon4. Second Tournament5. Piccolo Sr.6. Piccolo Jr.7. Saiyans8. Namek9. Androids/Cell10. Majin BooDo you see it? The latter two thirds of the manga would be shorter in movie form.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9-eWivZ6WU
>>281864552I mean you can just tell by the background that its brazil
>>281897575He was baiting gohan to get angry
>>281897827
>>281897649>Cheap shot Reparations are required
Diaper duo reaction when Goten canonically gets bra into his harem?
I just noticed despite every other Super Saiyan having angular text boxes, SSJ2 Gohan is the only one who doesn'tHow odd, maybe a slip up?
>>2818949465 year old me after my parents told me to be careful with the grapejuice (its all over the tablecloth)
Will the manga ever come back?
They look so cute together!
>>281894065SHITren lost. Get over it.
CHADren won. Get over it.
>>281899774ENTER
>>281899774TRVTHNVKE.
>>281900589The whole internet was a lot less critical back then. Cringe culture did a lot to the net good and bad.
>>281899774I can't. I just can't OK. I HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM I HATE HIM
Cuckren lost and got his universe erased
>>281901675He "lost" an irrelevant minigame. Gokek and the lizard appeared in the stands first, which means Jiren won their exchange, and his universe continues to exist and thrive, which means Jiren won.
>>281900589>>281901102I thought this was the femboy from Wind Breaker for half a second.
>>281901721Hey look, it's JOBren saying bye to Goku as SHITren gets erased from existence for losing kek
>>281901801BOOM. POW. BITCH.
>>281901831Holy FUARK
Jiren, the character from Dragon Ball Super. If not for 17, he would have won.
>>281901856He DID win. Fagdroid Fagventeen cheated by hiding like a coward.
Dyspo won.
>noooo you can't win the battle royal by playing smart! You have to be a muscleheaded retard like me
>>281901868Who? Only Jiren exists.
I'm sorry but I can't have anyone who is in the "Pride Troopers" be my hero kek. Gay af
Kubo needs to take over Dragon Ball, the series is in bad hands with Toyotaro and his traced scribbles.
Dragon Balls
>>281902449I want Caulifla's watermelons to rock my dragon if you know what i mean.
>>281902449Caulifla is too small.
>>281859952Because Vegeta has always been and will continue to always be a faggot. Even Toriyama hated him. His only purpose in the series is to seethe about not being as strong as Goku and crying literal tears when fighting someone he can't win against.
It's kinda funny seeing all these Gochisexuals seethe at the fact that Goku doesn't sexually love Chichi and their only retort Is TOEI filler.
>>281902449>Caulifla is a woman who drinksKek. She's nasty as fuck
>>281902372If I HAD to give DB to someone it'd probably be Oda. Kubo's more schizo style of writing wouldn't really fit DB.
Crazy how Gekishin Squadra has better models than Sparking Zero
It's crazy how the main character lost to his rival three times and somehow still isn't able to beat him.
>>281903274However, the main character of Dragon Ball is Son Goku.
>>281902100kek
I like to think it doesn't matter that's why they argue who goes first. Just because Goku beat Frieza and won Vegeta didn't just turn into a Super Saiyan he turned into a stronger anti hero and rival for Goku so I do like the place Vegeta is set in.Its like watching Goku enemy getting stronger Vegeta shouldn't win
>>281903447wtf is his problem? What did saiyans ever do to him?
SHITku>>281904023,3I'm lost.
SHITku When I speak everyone melts down.
>>281904023Huh?
>>281859952Toriyama used him for comic relief
>>281903211Legends tooIt's really funny
I read the first freezypop comic and I fucking hated it. My penis did not even bulge and I was constantly laughing out of nervousness, shaking and crying.I started reading the second one but stopped at around page 5. Should I continue to read it and see it through the end? I already think I will have multiple nightmares this night from the horror I saw in the first volume.
>>281904236I feel a horrible urge to keep reading. This shit is like Boku no pico, nigga. It sucks you in. You are fucking horrified, yet you keep staring at Freeza vacuuming the popsicle penises. Don't read this shit nigga, seriously. Worst mistake I ever made, but I want to read it to the end for some reason. Please tell me not to do it.Should I?
ANON, DON'T LET OTHERS RUIN YOUR DAY! I BELIEVE IN YOU!
>>281904464dead by gaylight?
Which character has been the raped the most?
something always bugged my mind all this yearswhy did goku assume there was even a transformation beyond super sayian in the first place? the legend never stated that they could continue transforming like Freezadid they just "feel" like they could do something like that after the androids kicking their asses?
>>281905034
>>281905034You faggots are mortal now Your reign is overThis isn't your board anymore
>>281904626>why did goku assume there was even a transformation beyond super sayian in the first place? That's just how they operate in Dragon Ball. Everything can be improved upon endlessly, if there's a limit, break through it.
>>281904626What I think happened was that he reached a wall in training and combining that with the feeling of going beyond, he knew.
I wanna know how Goku got SSJ3 is the real question. Dude learned it off camera and didn't even tell anyone
>>281906070Secret training.
>>281896256And 11 months later, Goten was born.
>>281906070He was dead. It opened up what he could do. Far stronger than the imagine of you could ever in the dreams of wild… kinda like usogui wowww
Hahahah yes...The Duel...in which you lost..to me...
i'm fascinated by the parallels between DBZ and Sonic the Hedgehog. today i realized that they're both suffering some similar narrative issues, as well. namely mandates that prevent beloved characters from either series from being too emotional, or too violent, or from arcing too much. free my nigga Shadow and free my nigga Goku from the shackles of juvenile old Japanese salary men. free Spider-Man from the shackles of Sony and Marvel's comic book writers, too, while we're at it. lol
>>281864552please conquer this earth and take me as your sex slave my saiyan queens
Stand ready for my arrival, worm.
Fuark... I JUST got KEKED...
Shueisha are trying to sabotage Dragon Ball in order to hype up One Piece and they've done it for a long time now.
So, who is your horse in the rights dispute race?
>>281908469Aren't you used to it by now Bejita?
>glazing goku should become a real jobthoughts?
>>281908587They have a funny way of showing it. They pour all the money into animation and that's it. Where are the One Piece videotoys? Hardly any great noncanon material either. People love Broly, Cooler, Janemba, etc. One Piece has Uta?
>>281909006Whoever hasn't been in charge for the last 10 years. I will support anyone who hasn't been in creative control since before 2014. I heard Iyoku suggested Super Broly (the best thing DBS ever produced) and making Super Saiyan 4 canon, so I like him, even if Toriyama and Toyotaro COMPLETELY FUCKED UP the canon SSJ4 idea. I can't fault Iyoku for the poor execution. But I'm not sure if or when he's had any real creative control. Who was showrunning and manga writing for Heroes? Heroes was fuckin' exciting. They were better utilizing DBS characters than DBS was. We never would've seen Zamasu run hands with Jiren without Heroes.I wish they would just reboot and do another Buu Saga sequel that pulls from the best of everything. I don't think you can un-fuck-up Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, or Freeza as characters anymore.
>>281909353>I don't think you can un-fuck-up Vegeta, Gohan, Piccolo, or Freeza as characters anymore––in the current canon narrative.
>>281909006Torishima unironically. He's an asshole but he was by Toriyama's side from the start, his understanding of the series should be just as intimate.
This is from Google AI.
>>281909905Kekaroooooo
>>281909454Torishima should be the next one in the ground next to Toriyama. every breath this nigga draws is an affront to my honor.
>>281880162>god of war ragnarok gameplay.mp4
J.
How fucking fragile is Goku? Deku would have tanked this x1000
>>281911323
>>281860049Or Zeno from killing Zamasu
>>281859987I dislike when only the main character can win
The Jump Festa announcement will save the Halls.
>>281912563>Goku making a 2 sign with his fingersDragon Ball Super 2 confirmed.
>>281905034jannies literally delete every other message to keep the threads to a minimum now. Also, there's literally no content, so /dbs/ is quiet.
>>281911896>Dindu Salamanca
>That stepsis who takes you on a global adventure and makes your dreams come truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9mUSxq7Kg
>>281913705goten is so lucky...
>>281913705Goten's sidechicks are all so hot...
>>281914119No doubt about it!
VOTE PLEASE!https://strawpoll.com/wAg3QOMOGy8
>>281859952He's a jokeEven Gohan gets something every now and then (Cell, Bojack, Broly 2, Cell Max), but Vegeta is only allowed to defeat major villains if he's fused with Goku
>"G-G-GOTEN IS A FAG GUYS">Meanwhile CHADten when he meets a disgusting homosexual
>>281913919>Trunks spits chewed food into an unconscious woman's mouth>Goku is the only person who finds this weirdThat's just fucking weird bro
>>281909006Toyo. Toriyama straight up said he's the best person for the job, why the fuck is this even being posed as a question? He was hand picked to be Toriyama's successor, anyone else can get the fuck in line.
Why the FUCK did Goten and Trunks not bother using SS against Cell Max? Isn't their whole thing they got SS at age 4?
>>281915752He was too weak for them to bother.
>>281915752Their whole thing is Gotenks now
>>281915752>Expecting Trunks and his boyfriend to do anything of consequence The closest thing they ever got was that one stint in GT and even then they did nothing
>>281915752... whose gonna tell him...
>>281915079Toriyama wasn't exactly doing his best decision making in the final years of his life...
>Ore wa
>>281915079>Old man in the death throes of dementia makes bad decisions
SSJ3 Master of Darkness Goten
>>281916873Ore wa Supa CHADenshinhan
>>281916774>>281916917>no argument
Tien being Goku's Rival would truly save the world>doesn't let Perfect Cell transform>doesn't give Babidi power to unleash Majin Buu>fusing with Goku mixes Saiyan power with Sage Elemental Power making him Sage of Six Paths Tiku>he's not a kek like Bejita
>>281868620>Yamcha left overs >ultimate victory kek
>marrying a women who got ran thru by Yamcha, Master Roshi, Jackie Chun, Goku, General Blue, Turtle, Nam, and Captain Ginyu as a frogGrim
>>281914948>still using this cope when he specifically said putting his mouth on hers was weird and nothing about foodKek.
>>281917206>>281917318Considering how jealous Gokufags are, (which is why you made these posts) yes.Yamcha is canonically a beta bitch so he never touched her anyhow.Nice headcanon cope btw.I can do it to. ChiChi fucked Nappa, Raditz, Piccolo, Mr. Satan, Gohan, etc. Grim.
>>281883248>>281909572
>>281917536Yamcha definitely had sex multiple times with Bulma and had to give her Plan B so she doesn't get pregnant. She was used goods. Not the same as Chichi spending her entire teenage years waiting for Goku and offered herself to him for marriage to be a trad virgin wife.
Goku was so lucky to marry a woman who is a stay at home mother who cooks him obscene amounts of food and lets him train and gave his son high IQ genes
>Goku was so lucky to marry a woman who is a stay at home mother who cooks him obscene amounts of food and lets him train and gave his son high IQ genes
>>281917447>Putting his mouth on hers while having food in itYeah if you're feeding someone you usually use a spoon you sick freak
Bejita is so lucky to marry a woman who has been ran thru the entire tech industry and had to suck and fuck her way to the top just like Mrs. Briefs did before settling down with a man who will never surpass her best friend who skipped her over for a trad wife
Hey Jarvis play the scene on Namek where Bulna reminisces about regretting that she didn't marry Goku while her future husband was getting beat up by a gay alien
>>281917919>ChiChi mad her husband trains so hard to be the best while the jobber's wife is just happy he didn't job so hard he diedLevels...
>>281917797Might or might have not. There is no proof that they did it.
>>281917792>Tony Stank
>>281917954I think if an adult couple is together for years it's safe to assume they had sex. It's not like they were Christfags observing abstinence
>>281918054He's Eskimo brothers with so many people...
I'll just share what I wrote here of Shueisha sabotaging and clearly hating Dragon BallExhibition #1: Early Global DominationSource: AnimeNewsNetwork, 2008Confirmed 300M+ sales in 2008150M in Japan, 150M overseasMultiple confirmations in official expos.https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-11-14/dragonball-movie-to-film-this-year-for-2008-release
Exhibition #2: Oricon confirms 350M in 2008Source: Oricon official article350M copies confirmedStill on their siteBased on publisher and distribution reports, not guesseshttps://www.oricon.co.jp/news/61072/full/
Exhibition #3: Fuji TV from 2013Source: Mando Kobayashi's Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods promoNational TV confirms 350M againEndorsed by Dragon Ball editor"World's most read manga" label used publiclyhttps://otn.fujitv.co.jp/b_hp/912200304l.html
>>281917954They were together for years, lived in the same house and both Yamcha and Bulma were a horndog. Do you really think Bulma is the type of person to be in that type of position and still wait for marriage or something?
>>281917919I really hate how Toei destroyed Chi Chi's character In the manga she's understandably upset at Gohan being kidnapped and forced to train and fight, but really after Namek she mellows the fuck out and all she ever asks if for them to be safe. But Toei Chi Chi is just constant "GRRRR I'M ANGRY AND NOBODY LIKES ME AND I'M LOUD AND GRRRRRRRRR FUCK YOU GOKU YOU STUPID FAGGOT GRRRRRRR!!!!!!"
Exhibition #4: LifeDoor News + Tokyo Anime Fair + Sankei ShimbunMultiple mainstream Japanese news sites from 2008-2013 confirm the same figure350M was widely accepted until it mysteriously frozehttps://web.archive.org/web/20081212210945/http://sankei.jp.msn.com/entertainments/entertainers/081210/tnr0812100742001-n1.htm
Exhibition #5: The Guinness World Record PR StuntSource: Guinness Record announcement (2015)Claim: One Piece was recognized for "Most copies published for the same comic book series by a single author"Total: 320,866,000 copiesAs of: December 2014BUT, here's the kicker: Dragon Ball was already confirmed at 350M+ copies in 2008. That's six years earlier than One Piece's 320M. But Dragon Ball was not even mentioned in Guinness, even though it had already crushed that number.The record is only for 'same comic book series by a single author", meaning Dragon Ball qualified 100% (Toriyama is the sole author of the original 42 volumes). So why wasn't Dragon Ball ever submitted or entered into the record?
Exhibition #6: Shueisha Weekly Playboy Magazine from 2008Shueisha's own subsidiary prints the 350M figureFrom the Blue Dragon Strategy Guide and Weekly Playboy (both Shueisha-published)
Exhibition #7: Jump Circulation Collapse Post-DBChart: Weekly Jump Sales 1995-2005After DB ended in 1995, Weekly Jump lost 2 million+ circulation in 2 yearsSlam Dunk ends later, but the fall began with DBJump never recovered from the fallout of DB ending. It was the pillar that kept Jump together, this is statistical proof
Exhibition #8: Nikkan Sports from 2012Claim: Dragon Ball's collected volumes have sold over 350 million copies worldwideSignificance: Published by a major Japanese newspaper, not as part of an ad campaign or promotional push m but as a factual background blurb within a baseball articleImpact: Demonstrates mainstream media acknowledgment of 350M long before Shueisha started using the 260M lowball. This cannot be hand-waved as a "marketing exaggeration."https://www.nikkansports.com/baseball/news/p-bb-tp0-20120520-953848.html
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Exhibition #9: Marble-Plus from 2005Translation 1: "In Denmark's book sales rankings, a Japanese manga has sold more than world-famous authors like J.K. Rowling and Dan Brown."Significance: That's Dragon Ball outselling even HARRY POTTER in a European market during the height of the Pottermania. You never hear Shueisha flexing that in public.Translation 2: "Dragon Ball has sold about 1.5 million copies in Denmark alone."That's just Denmark. One country. Now imagine what that means across Europe, LATAM, SEA, etc and it’s consistent with the 140 million overseas sales already confirmed in 2005 by multiple other sources.Translation 3: "Worldwide, Dragon Ball has already sold more than 300 million copies." BOOM. Here's the real nuke. In 2005, this article cites Dragon Ball's global sales as over 300 million copies once again confirming the "260M" stat was already outdated. Shueisha has never publicly acknowledged the true sales figures since last then. Dragon Ball was crushing global markets BEFORE the internet was even commonplace.
Wtf I hate Shueisha now
>>281918348>Knows how to drive>Never lost a fight>Kissed a womanMy fuarking hero
Exhibition #10: Nikkei Report from 2005Japan: 160MGlobal: 300MThat includes international sales up to 2005. Which, by the way, debunks Shueisha's 260M figures, because: 160M + 140M = 300M
Yup-a-roonie, CHAD Piece won.
>>281918443She's a hag sorry bro.
Exhibition #11: Financial PowerhouseDragon Ball made $30 billion by 2004Estimated $45-$50 billion revenue today in 2025 which puts Dragon Ball in the top 10 richest media franchise next to Pokemon, Hello Kitty, Star Wars, Winnie-the-Pooh, Mickey Mouse, etc. It's also the ONLY shounen manga-born IP in the global top 10Dragon Ball is richer than One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and pretty much every single WSJ manga combinedSource: "The Dragon Ball Z Legend: The Quest Continues" by Satoshi Ikeda and Martin Foster
>>281917797>>281917979>Vegeta immediately impregnatesher>Yamcha did notAll that needs to be said.Yamcha was canonically afraid of women and no one cares about your headcanon cope.
Exhibition #12: Shueisha's cold and dismissive treatment of Toriyama's deathTorishima, Toriyama's first editor, doesn't speak lightly of Shueisha failing to pay tribute to Toriyama. No memorial. No symbolic gesture. No farewell message. Even the most basic tribute, like Goku's iconic goodbye pose or a commemorative panel on the Jump Building, wasn't done to honor the man who:>Saved Weekly Jump in the 1980s and 1990s>Helped build Shueisha's global manga empire>Inspired generations of creators>Was the very foundation of modern shounenAnd he was given nothing by the people he made rich. Meanwhile, fans around the world, cities in Spain, Mexico, France, and even football and baseball games paid tribute. Yet Shueisha, the ones who profited most from him, stayed silent.
And finally... Exhibition #13: Wikipedia (Ongoing)Source: Wikipedia's article for Dragon BallClaim: "The total number of tankōbon volumes sold have reached 350 million copies worldwide, not including unofficial pirated copies. When including pirated copies, an estimated total of more than 400 million official and unofficial copies have been sold worldwide."Significance: Wikipedia's citations come from multiple Japanese and international reliable publications, including Oricon, Nikkei, and Fuji TV. This section remains undisputed and consistently maintained, further solidifying the claim in front of millions of global readers.Impact: This directly destroys the myth that Dragon Ball's official sales are "unconfirmed." Even Wikipedia, which often plays it safe by avoiding fan speculation, openly cites the 350M+ figure and even acknowledges pirate copies pushing it past 400M.Bonus killshot: Dragon Ball is not just 350M. The sentence adds that pirated + unofficial versions push the number past 400 million, which could realistically be between 450-600M when you factor in global bootlegs, unlicensed reprints, and digital fan scans that existed long before Jump even pushed digital platforms.And with that said, here comes the math, because facts don't care about Shueisha's PR campaigns.>Dragon BallVolumes: 42Confirmed sales (2008-2013): 350MProjected (2025): 450-495M>Per volume averageLow estimate (450M ÷ 42): 10.71MHigh estimate (495M ÷ 42): 11.78MPirated copies included (600M ÷ 42): 14.28MAnd even if we stay with the old confirmed figure then 350M ÷ 42 = 8.33M per volume (already monstrous)Meaning... DB has the highest per volume sales average of any manga in history and is the best-selling comic of all time (pirates included). Shueisha HATES that, because it makes every single Jump manga look smaller by comparison, especially One Piece when people still prefer a 40 year old manga that ended 30 years ago.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball
Fake and gay
>>281885509This is weird, because Vegeta is the one that's always physically stronger than Goku, at least in terms of dumb simple strength
Poor Bejita...
So what exactly does Capsule Corp Tokyo want to do with the rights?
>>281917536Gokubros aren't jealous, we're confident. We only state things we factually know to be true.
>>281920105>When you have to cope because Vegeta beat your hero thrice
>>281920105>
>>281920507>w-we're c-confident>our headcanon is factkek
>>281920698>things that have been definitively proven and shown in the series are headcanonThis is why Vegetards are such jokes.
>>281920105Kek SHITjita never won against Goku or any major villain.
>>281918348La Evolución...
Kwab.
>>281885509>still posting the same years old baitIn the same manga he casually flicks away a ~200k ton skyscraper in base.>>281920738>>things that have been definitively proven and shown in the seriesLike Goku losing all 3 of his fights with Vegeta? Bulma has never been shown to have sex with anyone but Vegeta however.
>>281902449
>>281920105Kek, Tardku has never beaten Vegeta in a fair fight and never will.
>>281902449>>281922199Cabba is so lucky.
...to be a happy cuckold on planet BVLLdala.
>>281859952Pride goeth before destruction.He COULD've killed Cell, but let him become perfect.He COULD've stormed rest of Babidi's ship and stopped Buu's revival, but let himself get brainwashed on purposeHe COULD've fused with Goku again to defeat Buu at the end, but crushed the ear ring.
>>281860654>How's it hangingDumb question. Jaco's not wearing pants, she could confirm the answer with her own eyes.
>>281920105Kek Goku really is undefeated against the eternal jobber midget clown known as SHITjita .
>>281859952It's pretty obvious that the people in charge of producing Dragon Ball content play favorites. It's especially apparent in the videogames. Making certain characters really good for no reason. The series would be better if it were made by people completely detached from it.
I live in a tower with an old cat who made me his sex slave and gardener...
>>281923140Mr. Popo...
>>281878628Well, it's not that it can't work it's just that... Well, Oda had to pull a lot of strings to make the One Piece show work, if he didn't then it would just be another Evolution type fiasco.
>>281923399Bejita is so lucky Yamcha rearranged Bulma's guts while Goku's wife just got a friendly compliment...
Pansissies... I thought we were relevant... We're literally fodder...
As a Goku fan I humbly accept the concession of Bejita.
>>281924594>Someone stronger than Majin Buu>Pan is able to FORCEFULLY move his face>Pan also easily tanks a hit from him>Meanwhile Vegeta and Gohan were crying when Buu hit themYes it is a won
>>281920674Nice try>SSJ3 is barely even trying against Fat Buu>Meanwhile Majin Vegeta used his strongest attack
>>281924717>>Someone stronger than Majin Buu>>Pan is able to FORCEFULLY move his faceMajin Bejita and SS1 Kid CHADunks were able to do more to Majin Buu. SS1 Kid Trinks knocked him far away. Your cope?
>>281920674>Lower transformation is stronger than the higher one
>>281924794Ss3 is stronger, but it has too many drawbacks
>Requires CHADnks to save herJOBan, the weakest Saiyan.
>>281920674Ultimate proof that SS3 Gokek would have gotten killed by CHADjin CHADjita btw.
>>281924794Yes this was made clear in BoG.
>>281860049Gohan is Goku’s sonMecha Freeza is not a main villain
Piccolo did get a major win against raditz.
>>281860594Man Toyo is so fascinanted by the muscle parts of dragon ball more then i think Toriyama ever was which is saying something because he drew some gigachads
>>281925409How did launch tank this?
>>281865219No, Toriyama does NOT hate Vegeta- Vegeta isn’t Goku, his thing is not beating the main villains or saving the day because then he’d be right in believing his own hype- which is an ANTAGONISTIC TRAIT- do you think Toriyama would make him the most developed and nuanced character in the franchise if he hated him?? I have my own action story I write and there’s a Vegeta coded character that i job out constantly- he’s probably my favorite but it’s just way funnier and fits the story better if he’s on the receiving end of a beatdown because he makes up for it by stealing the show anytime he gets dialogue.Final point: Toriyama went BACK and added the be final panel to the original manga ending and Guess who was in it? That’s right: VEGETA- not Goku, his greatest creation, but Vegeta- what does that tell you?? I rest my case.
Piccolo beat RaditzTrunks beat FreezaGohan beat CellGoku beat BuuBejita beat... *checks notes* Pui Pui
Pui Pui is so lucky to be Bejita's final kill in the canon material... Who is Pui Pui again?
>>281925565>I have my own action story I write and there’s a Vegeta coded character that i job out constantlyInstantly stopped reading.
>>281917659The power of Hillbilly Weirdo Love
>>281925843Why? Am I not allowed to write stories?
>>281925565>I have my own action story I write and there’s a Vegeta coded character that i job out constantlyInstantly started deeply analyzing.
>>281925843Gold>>281925890Mold
>>281925884Your entire "argument" is based on the fact that you write some shitty fanfiction vs Toriyama, who wrote a world-renowned phenomenon that you apparently aped.
>>281925843Dragon Ball Daima>>281925890Dragon Ball Z
I sent Toriyama-sensei a story where Bejita loses then Goku comes and wins with a power up Bejita doesn't have. He wrote back that the story sounds like he himself wrote it.
>>281917659>I want to allow Trunks to be together with BulmaBejita would never say something like this
>>281925409>>281860594it's two different perspectives of muscles, toriyama simply fopcused on the superficial looks for what makes someone look strong which didn't bother with muscle definition because he understood that mass makes the shapes, not the lines but toyotaro goes into excessive detail it doesn't look like toriyama's anymore
>>281925939No it’s not, i just added a personal ancedote to my post explaining why Toriyama, who like you said wrote a world renowned phenomem, knows what he’s doing and isn’t making his best character lose fights over some weird petty gripe that the fanbase has made up…which is the real fanfiction
>>281926045Shut the fuck up you clown, that wasn't an invitation to keep spewing your inane garbage.
>>281880162this must be the KAI version
>>281926045People here are so low IQ they can't realize this.
>>281926075I’ll post whenever I want I don’t need your invitation buddy, keep being filtered- if you kept reading the post you might have learned something- but you respond in rage because ignorance has overpowered critical thinking
>>281926045There are Toriyama interviews where he straight up says he doesn't care for Vegeta. I fucking hate you retarded secondaries
>>281925638Vegeta beat Goku 3 times.He also most recently got the first and only canon win as a SS3.
As a Vegeta fan I accept Goku's concession.
>>281909118Bejita Agrees
>>281894091>oveja si regresara a colombia
>>281924789>Admits SSJ Trunks is stronger than Majin VegetaOH nonononono this didn't work out like you thought!!!
>>281926131And he also has interviews where he puts vegeta in his top 5 those Toriyama interviews are works hes a known jokester and plays the fool- and if you read the story you can see that
>>281926098Can't be, it actually looks good!
>>281924794SSJ3 is like a sugar rush, great boost for a while but the crash down is even greater. SSJ3 make goku a lot stronger but while he fights he is expelling more energy than needed
>>281926317Literally kill yourself. I know more than you.
>>281926131>Toriyama-sensei’s five favorite warriors!!1>Piccolo / Vegeta>A pair who never say anything unless they have to, and have an air of aloof superiority. Their coolness is the real deal.
Soapy time.
>>281926271Since that's obviously not true you now have to admit weaker fights can move stronger fighters therefore making Pan and Rildo not comparable.
>>281926332>krillin already having toyotaro's anatomy
>>281926075Holy based. Eat shit Bejitasissy
>>281926556Stupid RTH Gokutard. Goku is a shit character.
>>281926377Yamcha with Bulma in her prime is so lucky...
>>281926433No
>>281862373>>281862415Alright I had to check and it is only in the manga where Goku claims he can't transform beyond 3. Though to be fair, in both the movie and anime, Goku seems to imply fusion is the only other trick he has left as if he has no other forms of his own.The best reconciliation Ican come up with, if I am to take the idea of Daima and (any version of) Super being in continuity with each other is to assume he was hiding it in case he needed to surprise Beerus but just didn't get the chance to, you know, like having a secret weapon that will only work because the enemy doesn't know about it and you only get one chance to use it. Then when it was clear Beerus was too strong, possibly even for that, then he'd consider fusion.
>>281926567QUALITY
Another fake diaper war to bury your fuck up?
>Bejita is popular and respected by all, including Toriyama, because I write Bejita fanfictionAudible kek
>>281926847They're strange little creatures. Just like Vegeta.
>>281927014Toriyama's favorite character was Piccolo btw.
Vegeta jobs to Bulma's phat ass.
