>Invents yaoi in your path
Wasn't Hagio Moto slightly before her? I thought she was more influential.Reminder that these women are also in large part indirectly responsible for:>Comiket>modern doujinshi>the Lolicon boom
>>281873973So this is what the patient zero of fujoshiism looks like.
>Invent the term yaoi in your path
>>281873973Thank you for your service
>>281874380Surprisingly...well-groomed.
>>281873973I thank fujoshis because without them we wouldn't have hentai of child female x adult male.
Can we get some fact checkers in here?
>>281874498It was a different time
>>281873973Granma?
>>281874582I don't think you know what a fujoshi is
>>281875199Yeah the term is shockingly poorly understood in western circlesYou'd think someone who browses /a/ would know better
>>281875240>the board that now calls entire pages and double page spreads "panels" (even if there are no panels present in said pages)>knowing betterShould've gatekept harder, anon.
>>281873973"yaoi" is older than what you think. Why yes, back when ukiyo-e was the shit. Ukiyo-e art being a precursor of what we baka gaijins know today as manga.
>>281875199Aren't they rotten girls?
>>281875959Ukiyo-e is not the predecessor of manga. That would be American comic strips.Someone recently wrote a whole book on the subject. It was making waves in Japan because even there, the unexamined claim that manga was the direct descendant of Hokusai's sketches and the Choujuu-giga were ubiquitous. Worth a read IMO, though I'm only halfway through.
>>281876295>Ukiyo-e is not the predecessor of mangaThat's the same as saying your ancestors are not your ancestors.>That would be American comic stripsYes, actual manga (in Japanese manga simply means comic, caricatures etc) have American comic influence but Ukiyo-e definitely have a lot to do with it as well by being Japanese art that predates comics, therefore it's a predecessor.And since we are talking about yaoi, for ancient art, and specially in ukiyo-e form, that would be shunga, as it is erotic art like yaoi is.There's also art predating ukiyo-e itself which naturally is also connected and also a predecessor.
>>281877111>That's the same as saying your ancestors are not your ancestors.That's not what we're discussing here.This is like saying gagaku is the predecesor of J-pop because they come from the same island. You are not making a meaningful distinction here.>actual manga [...]have American comic influence but Ukiyo-e definitely have a lot to do with it as well by being Japanese art that predates comics, therefore it's a predecessor.That is not what 'predecessor' means (what you really mean is forerunner). Again, you're using it in a way that doesn't make a meaningful distinction. You can't claim lineage between two art forms just because one precedes the other in time. Neoclassicism is not the predecessor to Cubism just because they're both European in origin and one precedes the other. There needs to be a demonstrable and direct stylistic influence, and a lot of the artists involved in shaping the medium must be directly influenced by said art form.
>>281873973She also invented shark teeth.
>>281875240Are you kidding? more than half of this board is reddit shitters that came here for jjk and bnha leaks and won't leave now.
>>281876295I saw an early Japanese comic page, circa the 1950s, that was meant to be read left to right because that's how hard it was emulating American newspaper comics.
>>281877252>That is not what 'predecessor' means (what you really mean is forerunner)Right, whatever.The fact that ukiyo-e and everything before it, of which it evolved from, is art that precedes current art is proof that there's a connection. Everything is connected, nothing is detached. Things start as something and over time evolve into new things, then each of those new things branch again into new things. Now, no matter how different those new things turn out to be to the original thing or the, ahem, forerunners, there will forever be a connection between all things and ultimately the original thing. The influence therefore exists. This applies here. "Distinction" does not influence this.
