Where does all SAO hate come from?Sure it's not the best of adaptations, but it was the first Isekai of its kind, and undeniably launched the genre into popularity, in the same way that Dragon Ball and Naruto made the shounen genre even more popular.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?On /a/, it was newfags trying to "fit in.">but it was the first Isekai of its kind, and undeniably launched the genre into popularityThat's not a good thing. However, SAO is better than the whole of its genre.
>>281874481Is this the only way you know how to make SAO threads?
>>281874540Who do you think you're talking to?
>>281874481There isn't a lot of hate for SAO on /a/I find it extremely boring, but that's not enough for me to hate it.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?Because it was the first isekai of its kind and undeniably launched the genre into popularity, in the same way that Dragon Ball and Naruto made the shounen genre even more popular.
>>281874581Yeah, same. It sometimes threatens to be good, but rarely follows through.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?from back when it aired, from those of us who weren't 14 years old>but it was the first Isekai of its kindnot even an isekai>undeniably launched the genre (sic) into popularitythis and you retards that it attracted are a big reason for the hate>the shounen genreand to cap the worst OP on the catalog with another retardation
>>281874481>SAO hate autism in 2018 + 7lmao who gives shit?
>>281874481the more people hate it the more i like it
>>281874640>from back when it aired, from those of us who weren't 14 years oldMost of the haters were 14-years-old, and the ones who weren't acted like they were.>this and you retards that it attractedNope, fuck off, you 2010 newfaggot piece of shit. YOU were the one attracted here. YOU.YOU.YOU.YOU are the newfaggot who came to /a/, desperately trying to fit in, putting on performative elitism. We made it clear you are not welcome here and kicked you out well over a decade ago, because you don't understand /a/'s board culture and will never fit in.
>>281874708>newfaggotYep, you're a newfag.
I like it better when it was called dot hack.
>>281874481>show insists upon itself>shamefully Gary Stu>stole the Black Swordsman moniker from Ashram in Lodoss War>normie's first isekai>one-dimensional plot to match its one-dimensional characters>VAs phoned it in>music is mid
>>281874708lol, I figured I'd break a gamergate fake newfag>you 2010 newfaggot!the equivalent of a 5'11" trying to bully a 6'2" for not being seven feet tall
>>281874481normalfags who hate haremsironic weebs who hate anime
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?It comes from the series being a work that had a lot of coinciding factors that made it a "meme" to shit on.It was the explosively popular non-shounen work of that year (designated title), so that's a few negativity points. For context on that, when it had ended, it was ranked in the Top 150 on MAL (despite a mixed second half reception, and prior to said second half it was in the Top 50), and by the end it was the 49th most popular show on MAL. That's not making waves in the grand scheme, but these are factors, not whole explanations.The second thing was the rise of longform youtube commentary/reviews, not so much analysis, moreso spitballing thoughts. In the anime scene there were a lot of commentators, not just Digi, that gave it a bit of flak.Glass Reflection (bit of an old name) basically called it junk food, SAO Abridged had already started only a year after the show had aired, and the two most popular reviews on MAL were both decidedly negative.This then continues to roll on and on, people wanting to ride waves of popularity and SAO is a very easy work to poke at, I really wish people would stop classing it as high art when it is literally amateur writing, it's among the first things Kawahara had written to completion- all of SAO up to Alicization was finished by 2008. That's how old it is.tl;dr, shit was popular at a time when shittalking shows was popular, end of.Also,>undeniably launched the genre into popularityThat was Familiar of Zero. It had three consecutive seasons from like 06-08 and it is literally credited with inventing narou isekai as a popular subgenre, it's the literal origin point for shit like Re:zero. >>281874532See above.Intense irony to calling anyone a newfag while not knowing ZnT.
>>281874845>I read wikipedia once and learned that the isekai genre was derived from Familiar of Zero fanfiction so now Familiar of Zero is my whole life!You're cancer too
>>281874581You have no idea what you're talking about. SAO was getting mobbed with hate on /a/ and spammed with the "gateway anime of the worst kind" copypasta, shit art online, and Gary Stu since episode 1.
>>281874481It's the Solo Leveling of its time, in that its such a blatant wish fulfillment story that bends over backwards to suck Kirito's cock at any given time and it opened the flood gates to this type of LN adaptions. So it depends on whether you were in the market for that kind of experience back then, or not.
>>281874481Without knowing where in particular you saw the hate, I'm gonna guess on Youtube it's because outrage bait creates clicks, and since it was popular it was a good choice for that kind of thing
>>281874481>where does the SAO hate come from?From like 12 years ago because it got very popular and shit the bed.It's harmless now since isekai, especially video game ones, are so fucking common now.
A better question in light of this thread is why do some people think SAO has no valid reasons for being disliked/hated and that it's all astroturfed and fake?
>>281874960Please explain how SAO correlates to the "explosion" of the "isekai genre" when it aired alongside a deconstructive isekai retardbro.Familiar of Zero coined everything actually relevant about isekai, whereas SAO holds zero real overlap with any isekai works beyond a vague "harem" idea (which wasn't even present in the WN to any significant degree, that's why the only important girls at the end of Alicization are Asuna, Suguha, and Sinon- they're the actual main girls of the WN. The others are basically side story character who reoccur occasionally, and primarily in the LN). Meanwhile, ZnT had>actual, proper isekai (SAO does not have this)>actual, proper harem (by episode three Saito has three women explicitly with some degree of romantic interest in him, all in the same general setting, and that number only grows)>standard isekai-born ability (Saito can control any weapon innately- Kirito becomes a jobber in real life because he doesn't have unique powers and is only powerful in the game)>set in a magical fantasy Europe (SAO is not, it's set in a theme park style MMO and only adopts the European style magical fantasy in Alicization)Shit like that is what makes ZnT evidently a forbearer just by watching it and reconciling with it. But please, explain how SAO caused all of isekai to happen, when many isekai predate it and many more aired alongside or shortly after it. Something like four or five isekai anime aired the same damn year as SAO. The year prior had Dog Days, which is a standard hero summoning isekai a la ZnT, with a harem. There was also Omocha, again from the immediate year prior.You're a retarded newfag.
>>281875289didn't even make an argument in favor of sword cancer, just said you were cancer too, wikipedia-kun
>>281875334Nah, you're the same guy.
>>281875358and you're the panschizo
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?from early 2010's reddit tier superiority mindset of anime viewers>be an established otaku/weeaboo>le im superior because i watched all these older shows, newer anime enjoyers are introduced to the fandom by trash like sao lmao get on my lvl guise
>>281875373>/dbs/lard makes SAO threads
>fanbase matters
>>281875390In your mind is /dbs/ the headquarters of the anti-panservice brigade?
>>281874839SAO isn't a harem. That's one of the reasons it's good.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?Before SAO, mainstream anime consumers in the west were mainly into sadslops, the equivalent of western young adult stuff. Maybe the only outliers were comedies here and there. But usually action were expected to take a more sad or dramatic seinen tone. SAO was different, SAO showed the success of Kirito in hardship, the happiness of being a family man and responsibility for ones own life and destiny. Media meant for young adults has to emphasize despair in a hopeless society and world and loneliness. SAO was the opposite of what the audience at the time wanted so it's natural they hated it.
>>281875441It does in the case of long-running serial works and especially those written for a web novel community platform where interacting with and pandering to the audience is a major part of the creative process
>>281875135Probably because it's about a 13 year old anime that that was really popular. If I'm just referring to what the thumbnail said I find it odd that SAO would warrant being called repulsive in this year. Aren't there more recent anime that are less popular which would be a better fit for that adjective?
>>281875495Is this a micro-copypasta someone wrote about Clannad that you rearranged to be about SAO as a troll?
>>281874481.hack was so much better at world building and dialogue. I don't see how anyone could like SAO unless they were a ignorant newfag at the time and thought it was genuinely the first of it's kind and novel.
>>281875523Is anyone going to click on a video essay about Girumasu two seasons later?
I have taken choice quotes from an SAO thread made shortly after the airing of the Yui episode (that is Episode 12 for everyone paying attention).None of these have been edited.>Just started watching this.>Why does /a/ hate this show so much?>because its popular which results in a horrible fanbase>It's pretty horrible>It's an objectively bad show with an even worse fanbase.>GLOP GLOP GLOP>Wait, I thought we were discussing why /a/ hates SAO, not why /a/ hates Naruto.>As much as I try to like it, I just can't deny that SAO is terrible in many ways, except for the animation.>Its a show for ten year olds, ie Naruto audience.>Probably the horrible pacing mixed with mediocre characters.>/a/ just hates it because the execution of the plot isn't very good, and the MC is too Stu.>Oh and lets disregard the immense amounts of plotholes, clitches and just poor writing in general. Cause all we know is little girls and being hipster.>both SAO and Nurutu hatred has the same reason>In a nutshell, SAO is mediocre and entry-level, it is good for new watchers but it falls when compared to other masterpieces.>We hate it, because reasons why people like it are not indicator of good story.>Made by a 14 year old. Poorly written mediocre shit that attracts the nurutu fanbase and shitposting.>I don't understand all this hate. After all, it's one of the smartest anime I've seen in years (and it's only half-done). Context: This is an ironic saying and pic related was used to mock the show and its fans for several months.>$20 says that you've been here for 2 seasons. If you can't see why SAO is shit then get out.>1 word.>>GLOP>This thread is created multiple times every day.>It garners 100+ replies every time.Just including that one for fairly obvious reasons. Also obvious should be why I'm reminding you that these posts were made after Episode 12. Halfway through the show's run.
>>281875533No, Clannad was very much a sad tone as well even when there is some happy. I would say it still paints the world as despair.
>>281874481It all came from Gigguk and that dumb abridged series.
>>281875599but the clannadman collected all the dragon balls at the end so now they can be one big dango daikazoku
>>281874481>but it was the first Isekai of its kind>What is .Hack
>>281875495>>281875533The funny thing is that SAO's formula hasn't been repeated. There have been a million isekai at this point, and virtually none of them feature the main character having sex with and being in a committed relationship with the heroine.
>>281875640SAO's WN predates .hack by a few months.
>>281875613SAO Abridged is actually funny, even if you're not a dumb kid or college student. Don't get me wrong—a lot of the jokes are childish and cringe. But some of them are legitimately clever, like when they explain Kirito and Asuna accepting Yui so fast as a passive aggressive fight between them.
>>281875646mostly because isekai are written by 15 year olds with no experience and SAO is not an isekai, but also Mynoghra hasn't ended yet so it's too early to say
>>281874481>launced the isekai genre into popularitySAO could be the best anime ever made, and I'd hate it for this alone.
>>281874481It was talked about too much, so the insecure weebs who never read or watched it ended up hating it.
>>281875710You don't need relationship experience to write an entertaining male-targeted romance. Just have the hero and heroine banter, but ultimately get along, then fall in love and start dating. How is that so hard?
>>281875897I don't know about you but I don't like reading about bags of salty milk when the story is supposed to be about slaying the demon king
>>281875961Nobody cares about slaying the demon king, and they haven't since Dragon Quest.
>>281875552.hack was pretty boring tho. Sign and Roots
>>281876220Roots sucks cause it's not a complete story since bamco wanted everyone to buy their games to find out what happens next. You can try Legend of the Twilight if Sign was too high brow for you, it's still good.
>SAO>Isekaifuck off
>>281876421virtual isekai
>>281874774>stole the Black Swordsman moniker from Ashram in Lodoss WarYou got it wrong. Ashram is the Black Knight. The Black Swordsman is Guts from Berserk.
>>281875289the influence of SAO is undeniable in the push it gave toward the RPG world format and game mechanics which are pretty much universally prevalent nowadays. while ZnT is also a strong influence, it is set in whats basically historical Europe, and is not really similar to modern isekai
>>281874481Ecelebs
>but it was the first Isekai of its kindIt was a mediocre ripoff of DotHack.
>>281876595Guts is a cuck, and Miura is still cucking him from beyond the grave. The sooner we all forget about Berserk, the better.
I do think it’s bizarre that some people act as if it’s the worst anime ever made when in actually, it’s pretty standard faire for its genre overall. I’d even go so far as to say that the first arc is genuinely good.Like, why did people pick this anime specifically to be their punching bag when there are shows out there that are infinitely worse.
>>281877637SAO is much better than the whole of its genre, and the first arc is exceptional.>Like, why did people pick this anime specifically to be their punching bagPerformative elitism.
>>281874598>muh GATEWAY
>>281877670I’ll agree that the first arc is really good, though at the same time, it’s not really a high bar considering how trash a lot of SAO’s imitators are.SAO popularised a very cancerous genre, and while it executes its genre better than most, even it fell off in later seasons.
>>281877750Frankly, I have no problem with either isekai or Gary Stus. The sole problem, in my opinion, is REINCARNATION isekai. There is literally nothing more cancerous than a series where>you are reborn into another world with your memories intact>you take over the body of someone from another worldPortal isekai, on the other hand, is a perfectly legit genre that has existed for over 100 years.
>>281874481didn't give SAO much thought when it came out, but now that it's settled itself firmly into the wish fulfilment movement and seeing how much it triggers everyone i'm intrigued by it
>>281874481Back when it was airing in 2012 an influx of normalfags got into anime and they were praising the hell out of it, then they watched more shows and recoiled at the fact they ever liked SAO and started shitting on it relentlessly until only the "worst anime ever" meme remained. Is it a bad anime? No but it's not the best ever either an average 6-7/10 I would say having see all of it. But still better than 99% of isekai slop out there.
>>281877637>the first arc is genuinely good.The first episode.It's all down hill from there
I don't consider the opinion of anyone who doesn't realize the biggest flaw in the series is Asuna.
>>281877864The early arcs with Kirito suffering and seeing his nakama die is great.
>>281877864That’s a meme. The first arc is genuinely solid. It delivers exactly what it promises.
>>281877845fascinating isn't it? it's not even "bad"it is in fact a pretty well done anime with tons of marketing, investment and effort put into itit's like refined garbage. puke frozen into cubes and plated nicely alongside cavier and steak tartar
>>281877637it being standard do for the genre it's tangentially associated with, that happened to be the worst thing that happened to anime since moeshit and made seasonal anime completely unwatchable for the majority of the 2010s, isn't exactly high praisenor is highlighting the first arc as vaguely above mediocre. when the entire issue with the continuous self-published web novel format is that they're most often written as the ideas come to the author's head, suffering from no long-term direction after the first major arc which was all the author came up with before he started writingthat's even when the initial premise is even compelling or interesting or not the worst thing you've ever heard like "dude, in the near future there's a video game that's so advanced that it's like you're living in it like you're living in real life, and if you die in the game you die for real!"
>>281876379I'll check it out
>>281877637>Like, why did people pick this anime specifically to be their punching bag when there are shows out there that are infinitely worse.It's arguably the trashiest show that mainstream normalfags as a whole latched onto.
>>281874481Have you tried NOT obsessing over youtube retards? Good fucking god. It's like every other day one of you comes crying about something someone said.
>>281877900Nah it blows. A bunch of bland garbage with a villain at the end who can't even remember why he did anything.
>>281877911Okay, but even if you think it’s mediocre, calling it a 1/10 anime is just objectively untrue. The fact it is average-above average disqualifies it from being “the worst anime ever”, which is the whole point.
>>281877958I swear people read that villain interaction in bad faith. It’s obvious what he meant by that line is “this whole thing has lost its meaning for me, but yet it’s the only thing I can still do”. He didn’t LITERALLY forget.
>>281877959being offensive as a premise qualifies it for a 1/10 score and makes one raise an eyebrow to anyone who would call it "average-above average"
>>281877931>the trashiest show that mainstream normalfags as a whole latched ontoNo, that's Shingeki no Kyojin.
>>281874481I can't speak for others but I'll share why I hate it.First and foremost, .hack// did everything SAO did but better, and yes .hack// came first. SAO in its very first iteration was a contest entry written by a young man. Very short compared to what it is now, and juvenile..hack// was already a multi-media project with several well rounded and explored avenues by the time SAO was launched proper.It's not just that .hack// came first, what I want to say is that it was far more original. SAO half-assedly copies a lot of things from .hack// and does them worse. The bland main character with a special power, the strange and mysterious man who designed the core of the game and is the reason for the comatose patients, the Ultimate AI plot, the relationships between the characters and even the world lore are all handled with far more care in .hack//, specifically the videogame quadrilogy: infection, mutation, outbreak and quarantine.To make matters worse, Bandai Namco has done everything it can to kill the .hack// franchise and prop up a horrible mimic in its place. It's not only repulsive, it's downright disrespectful.
>>281877997This. I remember watching both SAO and SnK when they first aired. I liked SAO more and genuinely didn’t see the appeal in SnK.
>>281877997it, SAO, and Steins;Gay make up a trinity of foundational /v/irgin cancercore
>>281874640Go away, digitroon
>>281877983Nah he just wanted to rip off Harald Hoerwick but that character is too complicated so he just had his Harald say "I dunno, lol"
>>281874481>first Isekai of its kind, and undeniably launched the genre into popularityYeah, and this was fucking terrible lil zoom.
>>281877190>the push it gave toward the RPG world format and game mechanicslitrpg was already a thing.
>>281874845That says nothing as to why the anime was massively successful and kept growing as an IP though
>>281877997>>281878018I won't argue any measure of their actual qualities against each other, but in terms of otaku vs mainstream sensibilities, you'd have to be insane to think that SnK is trashier than SAO.
Legitimately didn't realize it was that old. That predates Overlord, Konosuba, Re:Zero, Tanya, MT, etc by a decade.
>>281878063The Japanese like it
>>281878063That has nothing to do with its significance to isekai.SAO's popularity and growth of an IP exists outside the realm of it influencing other works. Because it really holds no measurable influence that can't be more obviously tied back to other things.
>>281878064Trashy to you means wish fulfillment. Trashy to me means inconsistent writing, contradictory themes, and lack of pay off.
>>281878041It's so sad they sabotaged a lot of the lore around/after //LINK. Turning Emma Weilant into an environment terrorist who wasn't actually dead totally ruined everything revolving around Harold.It also implies the Epitaph in Twilight was a metaphor for pollution or some shit.
>>281875699Nothing by gigcuck has ever been “funny”, anon
>>281878067It's not, really. He put out a short story in 2002. It wasn't actually written in its current form and expanded into a respectable (lol) story until 2008.
>>281874481I lived through that era, and I can say it's because SAO faggots were the most insufferable pieces of shit that an anime could ever produce, and they absolutely, utterly, totally, and definitely DESTROYED anime forever. Why? Because SAO redefined what is anime for years to come. All new otakus and tourists, if they wanted to be "accepted" in the new mainstream otaku community, had to bend their knees to SAO. They have to shit on every anime that came before or every anime that tried to be different from the SAO format. The fake black swordsman of a virtual world with his perfect virtual girlfriend was the culmination of the emo retardation and fanfic writters in one anime, and this paved the way for all the shit we have today. Burn, burn in a hole, SAOfaggots! Your anime was nothing more than a collective delirium, a signal of the degradation of the industry that faded to irrelevancy.
>>281878101>Trashy to me means inconsistent writing, contradictory themes, and lack of pay off.I'd argue that this still describes SAO pretty well though.
>>281874774People keep saying "insists upon itself" and no matter what the context is I don't know what it means
>>281875646How many of those few have them getting married before the end of season one and staying faithful the whole duration
>>281878182>They have to shit on every anime that came before or every anime that tried to be different from the SAO formatThat literally never happened.>and this paved the way for all the shit we have todayNo other isekai has the main character marry and fuck his love interest midway through the way Kirito did.
>>281874481>but it was the first Isekai of its kindwhat is escaflowne, what is juuni kokuki
>>281878014Pretty much sums it up. I'm going through the series again and it really was handled with a lot of care, at least until "season 3" which I think had a lot to do with Bamco cutting the budget so SAO could be their main focus
>>281877670>and the first arc is exceptional.That was one of it's main problems, the first arc is good but the second arc is fucking shit, I remember dropping the show back when it aired on the second arc while there were some anons swearing the gun arc was good.
>>281874481I remember when it was first airing week to week, and there was a point in episode seven or eight I believe, where Kirito first approaches Asuna properly under a tree. The tone just noticably shifted there. All at once I could feel that it was no longer the same show. It then rapidly turned into utter bullshit. Child marriages, a fake AI child, cutesy house life instead of actually focusing much on what was going on around them, etc. Sure, there's something to be said for trying to find some measure of solace in such a dangerous situation, and I know, Yui was sooooooOOOO impressed with how they were the ~Only People to Find Happiness~ in Aincrad, but what the fuck ever, it just didn't feel like the same show as the first six or seven episodes, and it was NOT a change for the better if you ask me. Plus, in general all the girls suck in terms of personality, at least in season 1. Asuna had initial potential but any cool and elegant flare she had was subsumed by being ~Kirito's Tender, Doting Housewaifu~. So fucking lame. It would be one thing if she had awesome fencer-knight flare all her own, but that all fades away once she becomes Kirito's wife. I can only hope to fuck they at least remedy that in later seasons for the people that didn't dumpster the show.
>>281878723I really don't see a point in continuing after the first season, to be honest. Maybe watch the movie, but it otherwise just gets worse from there.
>>281878787>Child marriagesbased>cutesy house life instead of actually focusing much on what was going on around themunfathomably basedYou're literally listing the things that make SAO better than everything else in its genre.
>>281878262>That literally never happened.ok rabbi
>>281875473It's a "harem"
I love SAO, but I didn't really understand the story until I read the novel.It's shocking how the first volume of the light novel encompasses everything I love about SAO.I powered through Fairy Dance and GGO and have enjoyed most of the side stories ever since.Alicization is the best if only because how the author managed to stay consistent for what, 10 volumes?I'm really sad the anime didn't capture the feeling of advancing through the tower.And how everything with Cardinal was forgettable, even though that part stood out to me when I read the light novel.I still don't understand how they messed up Scheta and Iskahn story. It came out awkwardly in the anime.The anime did well with other scenes, though, and I love some of the additions they made (like the girl from OS).
>>281874481probably from the ridiculous harem. alicization was interesting
harems are good when done well (mushoku tensei) but SAO was so numerous i lost track. only shield hero comes close in harem ridiculousness to SAO.
>>281879237>harems are good when done well (mushoku tensei)Shut the fuck up.
>>281879272the IRL "rudeus" scenes are thankfully few. also the english VA is a woman for rudy, win
>>281875584my favorite was>GLOP GLOP GLOP
>>281874481The general consensus when it came out was that it was okay, then some guy made a video bashing it and it did well so it became popular to make videos bashing it
i didnt say this but if a harem is to be done well, then the premise of it's existence must have reason.in SAO, the only reason is that he saved them. i guess that's enough? but it piled on so much with that same reason and i couldn't sell it. Asuna's whole role is to get wet (crying) when kazuto saves her. it's deliberate and thoughtless.in MT, the characters are plainly of their own, yet a harem forms around rudy. and it's not too big and it's at the end, and the reason for it kind of works?
if SAO and SAO: Alicization were separate animes, id rate Alicization as the better one. it has an original story about AI and fluct lights, and of course the animation is better.on it's own, Alicization has a small harem between Asuna, Kazuto and Alice and Eugio and is more tolerable.
>>281879347Did you even watch SAO? Kirito and Asuna fall in love by spending time together and working side-by-side. She doesn't become a damsel-in-distress until the second arc.
>>281879386i did yes. i must have forgot about asuna because kazuto is a busy bee.
>>281879272boy and teenager rudy = woman VAotaku nerd = different VA, only in a few scenes
SAO is actually about Alice.
We had this thread already, stop fucking posting it.
>>281879528It got replies before so OP will keep posting it.
>>281878787>Asuna had initial potential but any cool and elegant flare she had was subsumed by being ~Kirito's Tender, Doting Housewaifu~This is peak. SAO gets it. Many people don't become awesome for the praise or to look cool for a story. Being awesome is just a byproduct of becoming strong enough to protect what you love and chase your happiness. Asuna and Kirito both wanted the the strength to protect and secure their happiness. Their coolness is that aura of strength we admire but that is not their goal.
>>281880029>>281878787I notice that /a/ gets really feminist when it tries to criticize SAO. It's like you hate it so much you legitimately start talking like a braindead Western college girl.>umm it's really problematic how the female lead lacks agency and becomes an objective
>>281879520I'm... I'm gonna... IM GONNA ALICE
>>281877983Modern audiences for some time really needs things hammered into them. They will take literally everything at face value if you don't spell it out.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?People who dropped it, aka normal people.
>>281880324Normies were the ones who hyped it up.
>>281878041>Reki wanted to tip off a character that came out a year after his web novel releasedI swear about 90% of the people that shit on SAO are either profoundly mentally retarded for merely pretending for (you)s
>>281880372>NormiesNormal FAGGOTS hate SAO anon. They are the ones crying about SA, r*pe and child romance
There are a few explanations.1. western youtube fags making the hate a meme2. secondaries. the anime cuts out a LOT of Kirito's internal monologue, so they don't see the suffering, survivor's guilt, regret, etc.3. Despite Kirito being completely loyal to Asuna, they see it as a harem anime and "harem bad!">>281874774Like take this bait for instance.>gary stuKirito didn't win almost any significant fight on his own. Kayaba? Asuna's sacrifice saved him.The elf boss guy? Kayaba saved him. He didn't beat Alice, he needed Eugeo's help for most of the Alicization arc, etc.>>281874845This all said, as much as I love both SAO and ZnT, I'm glad it's not ZnT getting the hate.
>SAO is le hecking good and normalfaggots hate it!/a/ is dead as fuck
>>281880584SAO is a 6/10 series that gets the hate only 2/10 series deserves. And yes normalfags hate it
>>281874481>>281874598>SAO is the first isekai for its kind.No. No it wasn't.
>>281877190I hate sao but Holy shit, it gets points for making those mechanics natural, yes this is a game so of course it will have game elements.All the isekai slop doesn't even bother worse they do it with cheats. How pathetic can you be if the height of your fantasies is to cheat on video games? not getting good, no developing skills of any kind but beating other people ON A VIDEO GAME WITH CHEATS, THEY CALL THEM CHEAT SKILLS NO FAIR OR RARE SKILLS, CHEAT FUCKING CHEAT
>>281880562Yes, Kirito is not actually a perfect Gary Stu in the way that modern isekai faggot protagonists are. But he was halfway there. He was super strong, had special powers no one else did, was the most skilled of his peers, and had all the girls lust after him. But he still struggles and only wins with help or by luck.>>281880634It kind of was. It's not as bad as what came after it, but anime before SAO were less about the cult of personality of the protagonist. He's no where near as bad as the actual reincarnation isekai main characters who are all meant to be shameful self-inserts. But the audience is meant to put themselves in his shoes.
>>281877637we didn't know how bad it would get, its boring or bad but sao looks like a master piece on its genre. its weird in retrospective that it did so many things that everything that follows would never do>Kirito gets by knowing things ahead of time and getting the best things, he are following an expert that knows the game no a loser that got reincarnated and first objective is to totally not buy a girl>When people die, it gets treated as a serious thing>yes in a balance game you can solo a lot of things if you know what you are doing but you will hit a cap at higher tier which he does and admits>HE ACTUALLY GETS AND FUCKS THE GIRL>there is a time limit to that world even if it is nice they can't be there forever
>>281878787I get your point, this went from video game where you could die to people doing random quests, stripping the urgency of the series, there was so much potential of seeing who would make it to the last floor to free all the people trapped on this death worldInstead we get slice of life
>>281878014>>281880763>The bland main character with a special powerKirito has no special power, just faster reaction time which didn't even help him most of the time. The "omg dual blades" were a unique weapon but there were other unique weapons other people had. Fucking Klein unlocked a unique weapon (Katana, different than traditional one handed blade).>super strongThe only relevant scene you may be referencing was that one scene on the bridge where they were all attacking him and he was just regenerating health due to being a higher level, which is nothing unique to him. In fact, that entire "higher level" thing was exactly what bit him in the ass as that directly led to the death of Sachi and the Moonlight Black Cats guild that traumatized him. The only other possible "special power" you could be referring to would be the computer skills necessary to hack, but computer skills of that degree isn't a special thing in that world. Ignoring Kayaba's entire Aincrad thing, they made artificial human souls and fully functional android bodies for said artificial souls. It's not that Kirito was super leet hacker, but that the entire technology level was a level higher.>>281878787>Yui was sooooooOOOO impressed with how they were the ~Only People to Find Happiness~ in AincradThey were able to find happiness because they accepted the world as a real world. Which was actually pretty significant because a large chunk of the players either died via combat or fucking killed themselves due to the despair, with the majority of the remaining players just idling in some safe town / zones due to fear. The frontliners were few and far between, and even then it was largely done out of a sense of duty: they had a family to go back to or something of the sort. Respectable motivation to be sure, but they weren't enjoying themselves.Arguably Laughing Coffin did enjoy themselves, and that's also one of the reasons they were set as antagonists to Kirito in later volumes.
>>281874481it's extremely retarded and gay>mary sue mc with cute face and beta personality>haremshit>stuck in a game of death, but nobody's taking it seriously>playing house with some little girl pretending to be mc's daughter in the fucking game of death
>>281874481The audience of the anituber is the "ironic weeb" . Hating anime but watching it anyway is kinda their thing
>>281880901>>playing houseThis will never not be one of the best things about SAO and what makes it a truly great and memorable series.
SAO is not isekai and I'm tired of retards pretending it is.
>>281880806>>Kirito gets by knowing things ahead of time and getting the best things, he are following an expert that knows the game no a loser that got reincarnated and first objective is to totally not buy a girlIn fairness there's a LOT of stories that do this.Like "Extra's Academy Survival Guide", guy gets isekai'd into some minor villain's body, decides to gather all the things he knows will help him from the game when he can.There are all kinds of isekai stories that do this actually.>there was so much potential of seeing who would make it to the last floor to free all the people trapped on this death world>Instead we get slice of lifeThat's half of the point actually. Kirito was a solo player and was hitting the limit of what he was really able to do, as well as his psychological limit. He needed to destress when he could.In fact, far from the gary stu that some retards here claim, his motivation basically went like this:>Aincrad arc: oh fug, trapped in a game XD>Fairy arc: "I'm going to save my wife, fuck this">Phantom Bullet: "I really don't want to do this anymore, but fine I'll help out this once Mr. Government employee who I'm kind of scared of">Alicization arc: *unresponsive as he was almost killed from the last arc and they throw him into the fluclight machine to try to save his soul"His "expert" shtick rapidly went away before even the first arc was over, and at that point he was dragged along by events, continuing to rack up suffering points.At one point in Alicization his soul even attempts self deletion due to the guilt he has over Eugeo's death. He's factually one of the farthest MC's furthest from being a gary stu.
>>281878137>It's not, really.Yes, it very much is that old. The "short story in 2002" was the entirety of volume 1 of the light novels. The next several years the author spent writing the side stories and arcs that'd become the next 17 volumes, finishing that Alicization arc in 2008. There was next to no "expansion" when it was it got an official publishing deal soon after that. The changes were basic editing stuff like bumping the year from 2012 to 2022, reducing the number of people trapped, changing who kills Kuradeel from Asuna to Kirito, or changing a rape into attempt rape during Alicization. >>281878231I assume it means the show takes itself seriously. It's not trying to be a comedy, and not constantly engaging in tension deflating self-depreciating marvel-esque humor. So I'm guess it's usually used by people who think a series or something is a joke, and are complaining that the series or premise doesn't think it's a joke and act accordingly.
>>281878231It's a family guy meme. It doesn't mean anything, it's one of the phrases Peter uses showing what a retard he is.
>>281880996Semantics asides, it popularized the general genre/concept
>>281881043No it didn't. Skimming the thread someone else already mentioned Zero no Tsukaima, so I don' have to repeat that point.Nothing about SAO has anything to do with isekai.
Do I have to watch SAO season 2 to watch Alicization?
>>281881065Sort of. It assumes you'll know who some major characters are, who were introduced in season 2.
>>281880898Kirito is indeed bland perhaps not in the novels but in the anime he is.His reaction time allowed him to get where he was as one of the better players of the game if not the best, we don't get to see anyone else doing better and if they do we get confirmation that he was cheating.The problem with many anons is that he was halfway Gary stu, not the worst but to denied it would be simple ridiculous, he is a tame power fantasy, we simple didn't know that it would get worse in that genre.
>>281874708Lmao, I was like 4 in 2010, you old fart. A new generation is taking over and you can't do shit
>>281874969at least Solo Leveling's mc looks manly and aggressive, SAO mc is sissy betafag
>>281881120If you're 19, why are you claiming to know what happened on /a/ in 2012?
>>281874481from youtubers, pedophiles and homosexuals
The initial premise is interesting.And first LN volume is not that bad.Its the anime and what comes after that screws it up.Anime most eggregiously fucks up what makes the novels interesting. Exploration of what happens when you imprison 10000 people in game is extremely interesting. Anime just doesn't bother adapting it.And sequels exist just to milk the franchise, not because there is something interesting to tell.
>>281880997Yeah.... my first point was that, it was one of the few series that actually gave a good reason for the MC to be above other and not only that it made clear that it was temporal everyone was reaching that level cap, looking back at it Reki did an excellent move as a writer by ending the setting when the MC lost an excuse to be special, we go with the knowledge that he would only be another warrior if they continue but cut his loses while he was still special
>>281874481>The shounen genreThat aside, it's just a bad story and it is reflected in how bad the isekai fantasy genre has turned out to be. People here were already pointing out how bad the story was back when the first season was airing.
>>281881055>Status screens>levels>video game logic in a fantasy settingSAO actually bothers to create a setting where this makes sense, other series don't to put it in 1 way the rest of the author copied the answer from SAO but not the logic and went directly for the insta gratification button
Isekai and LitRPG are two different things.But they are often found together as they create an interesting setup.
>>281881102>we don't get to see anyone else doing betterWe see Asuna do everything of import that he does. It's been a while since I've seen the anime but everything he did that was wow worthy she either also did or was right there with him.>First floor bossTag team with him and Asuna (and other extras)>Laughing Coffin fightsHim and Asuna (and other extras)>Fight against KayabaHe lost the first duel, and was killed / draw in the second one.>Moonlight Black CatsThey died.>Side storiesLargely no combatEpisode 1 was them into the world, episode 2 was the first boss, episode 3 was moonlight side story, episode 4 was kirito helping silica, episode 5+6 was the fake death, episode 7 was Lizbeth's sword, episode 8 was cooking, episode 9 was against the blue demon where yeah he did a successful fight but almost died in the process, 11-12 were Yui, and 13-14 were the finale for Aincrad.There's really nowhere outside of maybe the blue demon fight where Kirito shone as a "protagonist" per se.So if your standard of "gary stu" was "he had one cool fight (where he almost died)" then yeah sure I guess.
>>281881153I'm not OP. I just find it funny when you boomers mald about newfags when that shit was like over 10 years ago bruh
SAO is the eccentric fat kid you knew in school who had a two or three weird opinions or interests. He's not exactly a likable guy, but he doesn't harm anyone either. Worst he'll do is get baited into sharing his views on women in front of everyone. But he ends up turning into the easiest target for people wanting to have laughs at someone's expense, and nobody cares about him enough to sympathise with the poor guy.SAO is exactly that. The show is ridiculous, the fanbase is dumb and autistic. There's no backlash if you make a video or hate post about it on the internet. It's the easiest, most accessible show to criticise and make yourself seem better than the complete retards that watch this slop. JJK is as bad as SAO but people will be mad if you talk about it. That gookslop Solo Leveling is even worse than both but it won't get the same attention unless you're posting in Tagalog or Spanish.
>>281881292To me, the concept of a newfag died around 2015. Anyone who came here in 2015 and beyond is fine in my book. The eternal newfags are the ones who came here in the early 2010s. I truly hate those faggots and always will. They ruined this board, and they all deserve to be killed. If you ever see someone post>kill yourself narutardthat's a 2010 newfag who needs to be strung up on a tree. If you ever see someone use the term>election touristthat's a 2010 newfag who needs to be strapped to a chair and force fed a bottle of bleach.
>>281874481It was pretty bad gary stu bullshit with boring, bland MC.But at least it's not Solo Gooking, which not only offensively bad but also repulsive and have the most deplorable fanbase; pajeet and seanigger incels.
>>281874481I hate SAO because it wasn't about "if you die in the game, you die in real life" anymore.
>>281881439true oldfags stopped counting and don't bring up how long they've been here because they don't have anything to provepeople who try to one-up other people like this are only telling on themselves
>>281874481But isekai is repulssive too. So what's your point faggot?Just becuse there is only slop food avaliable doesn't mean I need to it, let alone prise it. This is job of wagie NPC whose only purpose in life is to "fit in".
>>281881331Well that's true for the majority of the Internet, /a/ has never just rolled over and accepted SAO hate as gospel.
>>281874481Safehate. It's one of those things that you can safely hate while making a lot of views. There's plenty of anime with inconsistent quality and plot holes but they're too risky or not popular enough.Also if you're going to use the thumbnail of the latest hate video in your OP, at least post its view count.
>>281877900>Oh no, we're trapped in this game>Do more random shit with the setting than the actual problem itself>Suddenly final bossThere was barely any exposition on how players organise themselves iirc. Or how they plan out clearing each floor. Log Horizon not only did that much better, it also had a way better understanding of MMORPGs. I fucking wish Mamare would get his ass up again.
>>281880707>worse they do it with cheatsMy memory is a bit hazy, but wasn't Kirito also super special because he was the only one on the server who could dual wield, because his character was created "on the old system" or somesuch nonsense? I distinctly remember everyone and their grandmother going OMGWTFBBQ whenever they saw him dual wielding, which turned him into some kind of DPS god. Well, that and the other trope, where he somehow managed to solo level (kek) past almost everyone to unprecedented heights.
>>281882120I haven't read LH, but SAO novels did good with the premise. SAO made perfect sense.It makes sense that majority of people would be too afraid of dying and staying in the starter town. That some people would go futher if it was guaranteed to be safe. And only small fraction would be willing to risk the front lines and exploration.And how SAO works and how people react has been lampshaded multiple times. It was mentioned that SAO is weird for a MMO, as it doesn't have magic. As it was fully intentional to be purely combat focused. And Heathcliff/Kayaba comments on how weird it is for people to open up ramen shops instead of fighting in his death game.
>>281882171The premise was that Kirito was pushing himself and his personal skill and reaction times were high enough to become eligible for one of the "hero" skills that was dual wielding.Kayaba intended the "story" to be for ten people to be good enough to earn one of the ten "hero" skills and then have an epic showdown with them as last boss.He severly underestimated people's willingness to risk their lives and train hard enough. Which is why he "ended" the game 25 levels earlier, being dissapointed by not having his epic showdown.I might making things up from misremembering the novels, but this was great part. Anime fucked it over by not explaining things properly.
Also, anime didn't adapt "man with a fruit" from Morning Dew Girl arc. That was amazing piece of worldbuilding.Anime only adapted Kirito being Gary Stue and Asuna being tsundere damsell in disstress.
>>281881218You don't know what 異世界 actually means, do you?
>>281874481The fact its really bad? What kind of dumbfuck newfag question is that? Who cares if it made a genre popular. What does that have to do with the show itself?
>>281881439What a bizarre post. Absolutely without question retards that came here from 2015/16 are 10000x worse than 2010. Election tourists are real and have essentially killed this site.
>>281882183It makes sense that the majority doesn't wanna risk life and limb to clear the thing. But it did a piss poor job at showing either side of the playerbase. Like how the top players developed safety measures to stay alive. Or how the rest maybe supported them or used the fact that new areas were unlocked constantly.
>>281882337We talking about anime or novels?I agree if you mean anime.Not agree if you mean novels.Maybe I should reread the original novels?
>>281882308proving his point. what does this even do for you?
>>281874481Gyaru Asuna
SAO's only problem is that it should've been a Seinen and was instead a shounen.It's fine, but could be kino
>>281880884>you could die to people doing random quests, stripping the urgency of the series,>Instead we get slice of lifeThat's kind of one of the intent of the experiment with SAO and one of the expected results. It was a test to see how people would live, adapt and surrender to a new world and there were safespots just for that reason. It was not developed just for a fight and panic 24/7.
>>281882171>My memory is a bit hazy, but wasn't Kirito also super special because he was the only one on the server who could dual wield, because his character was created "on the old system" or somesuch nonsense?This is true, but not for Aincrad / the first arc. This was the case for the Fairy / second arc.The reason Kirito was able to dual wield was primarily due to his reaction time being the fastest. If I recall correctly there are other prerequisites for certain special / unique skills. Like Kirito unlocked a hidden skill due to taking a martial arts quest. There were unique skills for completing the throwing weapons mastery, for completing the Katana mastery, for killing the most people, and other such achievements.>Well, that and the other trope, where he somehow managed to solo level (kek) past almost everyone to unprecedented heights.He was a higher level due to not needing to share EXP because solo play, however he was limited in what he could do due to said solo play. You don't want to explore new areas by yourself and get rekt after all. As a result he would basically do stuff on his own and then join groups for boss battles / important stuff.>>281882221>Which is why he "ended" the game 25 levels earlier, being dissapointed by not having his epic showdown.He ended things because Kirito figured out he was in immortal mode and not losing any health during a boss fight. But yes you're correct in the "10 unique skills that would have led the others".>>281882337As the other anon said, it actually went into detail in the novels.
>>281882232Is that the one where Kirito and Asuna goes to floor 1 with Yui, and watch one of the Starter Town's players waiting for a fruit in the park to drop so that he could sell it for a few cols, then commenting how killing a boarn will earn him much more?Their comments really sold the idea that those people are really scared to die.
>>281883417>Their comments really sold the idea that those people are really scared to die.Arguably that's the more sane approach.Remember that these people are modern day japs. They live lives so far removed from danger it's really quite something.Their most deadly occurrences are being caught in the rain and suffering from the deadly japanese cold.
Which came out first, .hack or the first volume of SAO?
>>281883456A more sane approach would be to force them to use their numbers.They could have had three or four people hold up shields and poke the boar with long sticks.Which I think is what ALF did. It's really sad that they couldn't recover after floor 25.
>>281883417Yeah.That and how Asuna had an epiphany about how risky it is on front lines, but how they are doing everything to manage that risk.
>>281883351>He ended things because Kirito figured out he was in immortal mode and not losing any health during a boss fight.That was an impulse.He always planned to reveal himself around floor ~95 and pose as final boss on level 100. But he realized people were unlikely to survive that long, so he just expedited his plans.
>>281883583I guess I get it, considering the super scary skeleton monster that was in floor whateverthefuck and it was just instakilling people from full HP. Great balancing on that game.
>>281874481First of its kind?Digimon.HackSAO is literally the author copying .Hack and making himself a self insert MC with a harem for himself in it.Half the time the author breaks his own rules and he got no concept of understanding games work.Like for example the game of the first part was unbeatable.The people had literally maxed out their skills and since only one dude could use dual weapons learning additional weapon skills was meaningless.Considering the difficulty and scaling process in games, they could have never won the last 1/3 or so of the game.They would have needed all players from the beginning at max level without a single death to even have a chance.Yet that was not possible because the game actually had limited resources so only a limited amount of players could reach a certain level.Don't even get me started about the second part being literal NTR doujin bait by the author or the issue with the deadly cripples or the predesigned combos are bad to no they are actually good or anyone can make combos, they just never do.
>>281883644>just parry broI can't believe Reki predicted Souls-like.
>>281883665Yeah their problem wasn't gear or levels, they just didn't roll enough to get into position to backstab. Thrilling combat scenes as well.
The way episode 13 ended...I want to see the floor 75 boss fight in full as an OVA.
>>281874481>it was the first Isekai of its kindit wasn't>the restthere's your answer
>>281874481The more popular something is, the more it invites criticism. For example, I'm not going to critisize some 8-year-old's drawing, because that's insane. But if some autist draws something that looks like an 8-year-old drew it, and then it seels for 6 million dollars at an art venue, now I'm inclined to get pissed off about it.Sword Art Online's popularity is not even remotely in-step with its quality. That's the problem. That's why it inherently annoys people and pisses them off. It also, as you said, started an entire genre of total dogshit for autists. Isekai is not good, it's universally understood to be a dogshit genre. It's fucking insane that I even need to explain why to you, it's like coming across a person who doesn't even have basic media literacy or self-respect.In short, the genre is cringe. It relies on contrived power fantasy bullshit instead of meaningful writing. It's distilled to appeal to manchild tastes, IE, weird sexual themes, weird entitlement themes, they're generally pro-slavery, pro-narcissism, pro-violence, and all this wrapped up in contrived hugbox universes where the protagonist is always right.I could go on, but unironically it'd be better if you just watched some videos about it because I've had these conversations before and you retards are too stupid to engage with. Also, even if I don't like it, this shit is ultimately a matter of taste. I can't fucking UNDERSTAND why you like this shit, but ultimately I just have to accept it even if I think it's pathetic and questionable.
>>281874481>first Isekai of its kindNot isekai, nor the first of its kind. Also there's nothing new about people (specially on /a/) hating on it, since it was basically naruto when it came to the influx of normalfags it brought at the time. As for why people hate it now? Who cares what normalfags think.
>>281884464Look how defiant she is. God that's hot. Especially since his plan was to mind control her into being his concuwife
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>>281874481Way back when I dropped SAO after it tried to use its premise seriously.>social retard tries to play an MMO solo while under the assumption that he'll die in real life if he dies in the gameIt reminded me of LOST but people behaving even more retarded.
>>281883766your first mistake was trying to reason with these isekai fans thinking that they were redeemable if they read any other fiction that's not WN fanfic then they'd realize how lowbrow that shit is
>>281884834>while under the assumption that he'll die in real life if he dies in the gameBut thats true. For everyone in SAO.
>>281884834If the helmets couldn't actually kill them then the people outside the game would just take their helmets off.
>>281874481It was awful back then and the amount of idiots running around with two swords named xXKiritoXx in multiplayer games was a genuine plague
I haven't watched SAO. Why would people play a game that kills you irl if you die in the game? Or is it like .hack?
>>281885883It's a honey trap. Almost no one knew about the death aspect to itThe creator is an autist who made a full dive VR game but also rigged the machine to fry your brain with notMicrowaves you if you die in his first party game or someone tries to forcibly remove your helmet
>>281885937i see, i see. thanks anon
The problem can be summarized as follows: the abridged series version is better written, far more conpetently portrays game mechanics closely inspired by MMOs of yore, and has a far mire consistent storyline than the source material. Other abridged series heavily rely on retardation from other sources like 4kidz stupidity for humor, yet tia one only pointa out the natural massive plot hole surface and writen retardation for this purpoae.But the peak of irony to me is that it competently portraya how game mechanics could possibly be transferred in a vrmmo where mechanics can be turned on players and not just NPCs. The funny part is they do it for humor, for example the +CHA hat gag, while SAO fails to do it while trying to take itself seriously.
>>281886403>far more conpetently portrays game mechanics closely inspired by MMOs of yoreIs there even anyone old enough in this thread or in SAO fandom who can make assesment like that?I'm 36 and even I'm too young to lived through the first age of MMOs. My first MMO was Ragnarok and SAO fits it quite good.
>>281886795>Is there even anyone old enough in this thread or in SAO fandom who can make assesment like that?Definitely not among abridged shills.
>>281878231it's a family guy referencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pnwE_Oy5WI
>>281886795No idea why you 12 year olds always like to larp like that. Literally impossible that someone who haa played ragnarok would say that. It's like the tards who claim /a/ totally loved sao until recently, as if archives don't exist.I started with MUD's and I am 44 this year. You, on the other hand, aren't 1/3 the age you claim.
>>281875289>Familiar of Zero coined everything actually relevant about isekaiEvery isekai trope can be traced to Rance (characters aware of game mechanics), Narnia (the evil dark lord), Alice in Wonderland (bizarre worlds with bizarre rules), and Neverending Story (collapse via power fantasy, read the book).
>>281887012Stop projecting, retard.
>>281887025And Familiar of Zero is responsible for packaging the majority of that into an LN that got a popular TV anime adaptation.
>>281887025Huh... I have never thought about it but yeah a shit load borrows from Rance
>>281881065honestly not really, theres scarce carry over. Sinon is cool but her alone is not worth watching through all of Gun Gale, and Alfheim 2 is entirely skippable. The worst you'll deal with is not knowing the names of cameo characters that appear for 2 seconds.
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>>281887925If you skip GGO you miss why Kirito gets put in the position he is at the start which is kinda major
Kirito X Sinon
>>281874481Since the start,the only ones not familiar with "trapped in a videogame coma" idea never heard of .hack// from a decade before which as a series was more rich. SAO only redeeming quaility is the fights scenes at the time.
>>281874532>However, SAO is better than the whole of its genre.I completely agree with you and find the hate it gets is extremely telling of the kinds of people who watch 'other isekai' which want to feel superior to people who like the most mainstream show in the genre.>>281875289This is the perfect example of the kind of cancerous faggot who has to comes up with the most inane reasons to hate the thing and doesn't understand how stupid he looks.
>>281876198It's honestly funny how clever and subversive early Dragon Quest would be considered if it were released now.Like, what other JRPG just gives you a paragraph of text and then lets you fuck off and ignore most of the 'story', like it hints that you should rescue the princess and let her help you, but leaves you free to not give a fuck and just ignore her existence completely and leave her imprisoned.
>>281874481>Sure it's not the bestit’s bad> it was the first Isekai of its kindno it wasn’t> undeniably launched the genre into popularitythat’s bad>>281874532fuck off poser I’ve been here since 2008 and I hated SAO from episode 2 onwards
>>281892400>I hated SAO from episode 2 onwardsLol why that episode?
>>281891728This isn't really mindblowing for anyone who has played a western open world RPG. Bethesda has been doing this for decades.
>>281892469Nta, but isn't there a scene in episode 2 where a guy REFUSES a fucking HEALING POTION while literally dying. I hated the show from that point forward, dropped it after 8 or so episodes
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>>281892615>guy REFUSES a fucking HEALING POTION while literally dyingOh, yeah. Anime-only bullshit.
>>281875665.hack//Sign was April of 2002, the SAO WN was first put online some time in the Fall of 2002.
>>281892674Well he was talking about the anime. Is SAO worth reading if I despised the show?
>>281892748>Is SAO worth reading if I despised the show?I guess you can try?It is less retarded and makes Kirito look more like a awkward loner than self-insert power-fantasy.
>>281892469episode 1 had promise as an interesting premise, ep 2 made it obvious they cared about nothing interesting whatsoever and the whole show would just be mary sue power wank
>>281892800Fuck it, I'll give it a try
>>281891259>This is the perfect example of the kind of cancerous faggot who has to comes up with the most inane reasons to hate the thing and doesn't understand how stupid he looks.It's pretty funny how you say that despite my post offering no real criticism towards SAO. My only real criticisms are towards OP.
>>281874481i still don't understand itthe only time i see genuine hatred for a series (outside of meme waifu wars) is when it cucks the viewerSAO's kind of "hate" seems to only come from posers who think they're high brow reviewers giving their enlightened opinions to the masses
>>281874481>first IsekaiNO. It was a scifi "trapped in a video game world" genre, which is only adjacent to Isekai. Video game shit always lets you come back to Earth, and SAO falls directly into that. The only true isekai game series were New Gate and Log Horizon, because those were other world = video game world setups. >where does the hate come from?1. Objectively bad game design, so it immediately offends anyone with gaming experience. 2. Inconsistent rules. Your cited video shows clearly how the game rules constantly get faffed about with from moment to moment because plot. 3. Has awesome RPG setting and shows NONE OF IT. 4. Blows death game load half way through. I mean come the fuck on. Now the stakes are gone. 5. Bad guy = rapist shorthand. 6. Bad characters, no arcs, no development, just overall shitty writing. There is just so much to objectively hate about it. This is on top of the fact much of SAO S1 is literally cobbled together crap to kick it off to support later works. Which explains the above cluster fuck. SAO Abridged shows just how garbage of a series this crap was. It fixes much of what was wrong and provides the series with massive boosts to the characterizations. And it was good, way better than a fan edit should have been. SAO's hate ultimately comes from people seeing a really good idea get pummeled into shit. Kind of like watching Star Wars get Disneyfied - so much potential, just squandered with subpar media.
>>281874481>hated back in the day for being an average series that got popular solely for its wish fullfillment concept and decent visualsThis isn't so bad>hated today for causing the 2010s isekai boom that caused half the industry to be overtaken by low-effort hacks who can shit out half-baked pieces of trash that are unrecognizeable from each other thanks to endlessly recycled and regurgitated tropes and concepts which japs still eat up because they have irredeemably shit tasteThis is REALLY bad, like lower-than-gook regression-or-chink-transmigration level bad
>>281893997>being an average series that got popular solely for its wish fullfillment concept and decent visualsi wish that's what we got nowadaysinstead i can't even expect decent visuals
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?Being fucking terrible would be the first thing that comes to mind.
I want a hot cousing sex slave maid.
>>281894311That's a lie, it was always mediocre never any worse than that.
>>281893938The abridged series copies most of its characterization and plot beats directly from the original. It pretty much just does the same thing with some memes and jokes and edginess added onto it and suddenly it's supposedly on a completely different level from the original. It's just ridiculous.
>>281892864Lolwut. Ep 2 specifically focuses on how Kirito is fallible and can fuck up and lose people he cares about. What the actual fuck do you even think you are talking about?>>281892800>Kirito look more like a awkward loner than self-insert power-fantasyKirito is also powerful because of the ways he's genuinely better than other people and willing and able to do things they don't that makes sense on the context of the game.
>>281894831You can say that all you want, but the Abridged series is actually funny.
>>281894974Well yeah, it would be pretty sad if a comedic parody series wasn't actually funny
>>281887060>>281887025Neither Rance nor SAO nor Zero no Tsukaima are reincarnation isekai, which is objectively the cancer that killed anime.
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>>281894831The abridged series corrects the flaws by introducing actual normal videogame and specificially mmo player behavior, typical bugs, player reactions to those bugs, etc. They root out the constant abject retardation of the characters through various guises: playing it out as jokes, breaking doen, or even justifying it by reframing it as a representation of a raid leader's perspective on the stupidity of most raid members.It even gives villains actual characters and genuine, logical reasons for their actions, etc. as well as real flaws and character growth for asuna and kirito. Also gets rid of the harem bullshit and mimizes yui.Only the mediocre animations and graphics isn"t fixed, and of course the parody jokes are their own thing. Yet it is objectively better written at every level even as a serious story.
>>281897274Dragon Ball Abridged fixes DBZ in the same wayits embarrassing how these parody series does the show better than the show itself
>>281897274It's objectively dogshit and just as overrated trash as the original. Funny how sloppers gas up the worst most common denominator slop of all time, literally the same redditors cumming over every Solo Levelling episode. Get fucking real.
The irony is that the Abridged manages to introduce plot holes and stupidly in the story where it never existed in the first place. Yeah some "good writing" you got there bub, did you get it from a 2000s Gainax anime executive meeting or something?
>>281896419For reincarnating into another world we can arguably go all the way back to the really ancient times, if you include celestial realms as "another world". In the Ramayana, Vishnu reincarnated into the human Rama in order to defeat Ravana, who could not be slain by a whole host of things but in his hubris failed to specify humans or monkeys.
>>281897274The "abject retardation" is something the abridged series made up, and the normal player behavior is just lame stereotypes. They are good for a comedic parody show but they're not in any way better writing. Furthermore, the characters do actually have motivations and flaws and character arcs even in the original, ones that the abridged series follow quite closely for the most part.
>>281897666Too true Satan-kun, it's really impressive that someone actually managed to make SAO somehow worse than it already was. It was already pretty bad but holy shit the Abridged series is legitimately the worst piece of media I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Like fuck, how does one even manage to introduce MORE plot holes, internal inconsistencies and just the worst "humour" in a series that's already full of this shit already?
Puhlease, we all know that the dub bloopers is the far superior SAO Abridged
>>281874481It's .Hack and Log Horizon but worse so you tell me
Portuguese Breakfast
>>281897873Bro, .hack IS the worse version of .hack. Especially when comparing the games to the anime.
>>281874481before the anime aired there was always LN threads and it was comfy with little to no shitposters. When the anime started there was just so much shitposting that the assumed general consensus was that "SAO sucks" and people just echoed that.
>>281897873.hack is like SAO if it had worse visuals, worse soundtrack and somehow an even more atrocious pacing
The SAO vidya are aggressively okay. I wish they were about the solo/duo adventure through the castle instead of cuddle romance tho
SAO continually proves that you need a higher than average IQ to understand it. With other fanbases they'd consider it a blessing since it makes them feel superior but with SAO fans, it just makes them feel despair and lose faith in humanity.
>>281898091This but unironically
>>281897571Low IQ butthurt saotard detected
>>281888916it explains it in the scene, and laughing coffin member from SAO wanting to kill the guy who ended SAO is simple enough to understand.
>>281898206>saotardKill yourself abridgednigger.
>>281897801It is something the abridged series corrected and was the main thing people laughed at in the threads while sao was running for good reasons.The fact you need this explained to you and don't plainly see this from literally episode 1 in the anime proves beyond doubt that you have down's syndrome-tier IQ.
Are abridgedfags so retarded they can't comprehend someone hating their series?
>>281898295>something the abridged series corrected and was the main thing people laughed atWhich is?
>>281898305They must be, they could barely comprehend SAO's basic ass story.
>>281874481>undeniably launched the genre into popularityThat’s why. Just kind of a painfully mediocre series that was too popular for its own good.
>>281898091Unironically this has been proven time and time again.
>>281898326Case in point lmao
>>281874481this shit turned manganime into rehashed isekai slop
>>281898373If you can't even explain it then it seems you're the retard here.
>zoomers try to form their own opinion without consulting youtube challenge (impossible)
>>281898423Thanks for helping prove my point.
>>281898373Dude asked for a simple example yet you couldn't even do that. I'll fucking humor him because you're too fucking stupid to do it.>>281898326Alright faggot listen here and listen close because I'm not going to repeat this.Back in the 2012 threads (clearly the retard above you was still in his daddy's ballsack back then) anons shitposted all the time about the weird behavior of SAO players during the raid which to my hazy knowledge was actually anime original content and how raiders definitely wouldn't do cringe bullshit like call someone a beater or whoever's acting like that edgelord would be immediately called out.Now I've no clue what he's talking about with Abridged because I don't watch nasally Americans being drooling retards doing "funny" voices.
>>281898623I dunno how this relates to being fixed by Abridged though but thanks for answering.
>>281898623I'm clearly at least twice your age and that isn't even small enough to register on the radar of everything wrong with the retarded sao players. The archive exists. Go dig if you want to larp as having been old enough to be there. The short of it is that sao is like a room full of math profs and phd's coming to the conclusion that 1+1=3 and everyone thinks it makes sense until kirito comes in to tell the world that actually 1+1=5 and everyone is blown away by his genius.
>>281899134Are you absolutely sure you actually watched SAO and not some generic shitty isekai show?
>>281880763>Jobberito >Gary Stu pick one
>>281898091The true blackpill is you only need average IQ but the problem is everyone with average to high IQ are doing better things
This shit killed dot hack, and the zoomies who flocked to SAO being ignorant as fuck not acknowledging the roots SAO owes itself to but in anime in general is just dumping salt on the wound.
>>281874481>first isekai of it's kindNope we had .hack before it and several isekai more before so not really first in anything, the only novelty was "girls being raped while trapped in game" but nothing else, yet a cheap ripoff with raped won't make it good.
>>281900735Shut the fuck up about .hack forever, you braindead faggot. It is not the same genre. It is not the same tone. It is so completely different in every way possibly, only a mentally disabled adult would try to connect the two.
>>281900625>This shit killed dot hack, and the zoomies who flocked to SAO being ignorant as fuck not acknowledging the roots SAO owes itself to.hack, SAO, and Conan Movie 6 all came out in the same year and all have the same base concept.They all probably owe themselves to something else.
>>281899134You act in a manner that's fitting of an infant and have room temperature IQ, you fail at responding properly and your formative years are so very obviously full of dopamine eroding content. If you're truly twice my age, I pity you for having to go through life being so mentally challenged as an adult.
>>281874481What hate? I'm pretty sure people have moved on from SAO like few years ago by now.It was mid show, not worth the hate but people latched onto it.
>>281874481Probably from the later shitty seasons
>>281874481sao is bad but calling it repulsive makes me think the author of the clickb8 video is just going to seethe endlessly about how the harem makes the MC a creep or something and not how the harem is a stonewall to character development for basically 70% of the characters in the show. My favorite is SAO abridged by the way.
I love Asuna.
>>281903018I only love her body
>>281903018I'm not fond of her character arc of>terrified tsunto>Kirito-kun-seeking missile
>>281874481>It was the first Isekai of its kind, and undeniably launched the genre into popularity, in the same way that Dragon Ball and Naruto made the shounen genre even more popular.>Where does all SAO hate come from?I wonder...Realistically though, it was just poorly written. the author could have written a lovely series of pulpy action light novels featuring a boss-of-the-week, but instead he goofed it and included massive timeskips in which the central premise (of being trapped in a game and having to clear all 100 floors to escape) is undermined and eventually forgotten in favor of whatever the fuck actually happens in the story. Something about cousincest
>>281904012Nips are fucking obsessed with cousincest for some reason
>>281905392Nah. While cousins are sometimes featured as potential romance partners, they never actually win. Literally the only series I can think of where the first cousin won were Canvas 2 and Yomeiro Choice. And the latter doesn't even count, because it was an actual harem end.
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>>281900735>had .hack before it>.hack 2002>SAO 2002same age
>>281903660It is explained in a side story, trust
>>281898623>about the weird behavior of SAO players during the raid>and how raiders definitely wouldn't do cringe bullshit like call someone a beater or whoever's acting like that edgelord would be immediately called outThat is so fucking wrong.First, being stuck in game and risking your life immediately invalidates any kind of comparison to real MMO gaming.People reactiving aggresively and seeking a scapegoat is perfect herd behavior. Seeing beta-testers get upper hand and selfishly hoarding the knowledge and being called "beater" for it is perfectly valid reaction.
sao is trash but I've stopped hating on it as much. It did kick start a wave of isekai slop and I do feel nostalgic towards the time sao dropped so I look back at it kinda fondly in a way
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>>281901229>They all probably owe themselves to something else.Mostly the general upswing the internet and MMORPGs. Which is why we saw stuff like Digimon and the Monster Rancher anime around the same time as well. Online play was the novel new thing in the late 90s, and MMORPGs were the hot thing in some nerd circles for making it persistent multiplayer at large scale rather than the 1v1s of other games, or the obscure small scale of MUDs. Throw in the success of The Matrix - which featured people being trapped in a simulation where if they died they'd die in reality and they couldn't simply be unplugged they needed to be released or properly disconnected first - and you'll inevitably have videogame nerds with a bent towards writing imaging being stuck in a videogame. Which in turn would naturally lean towards MMORPGs as they were the main thing that had a bunch of people playing together, providing a setting where people would be interacting with other real people which is helpful when you're trying to write a story not make a videogame.
>>281874481Back when SAO was airing, it was immensely popular. >Popular = BAD It was pretty bland and the MC was a Gary stu. It wasn’t anything that wasn’t done before and done better. It upset .hack fanboys because it succeeded where .hack failed in the sense of popularity, even though I would argue .hack is much better and touches on similar themes in a better way. Like I said, it wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t good but it became a gateway anime, making /a/utist seethe. It happens with every popular anime. Now you have people too young to remember it’s initial run and parroting their favorite pooptoober’s opinion. >>281875289How was it not? The RPG format for iseaki was made popular by SAO. After it, the genre exploded with a ton of anime of the months being a generic iseaki, with similar RPG rules and mechanics.
>>281875495As someone who’s been a weeb since the 90s I can assure you that’s not true.>Edgy 80s & 90s OVAs were popular by college kids who were watching “cartoons NOT for kids! Oh and it’s Japanime! Not a cartoon!” It was guys that probably looked like comic book guy from the simpsons. >Then the DBZ and Gundam Wing kids were the first wave of normies that the above hated >LOL so random Excel Saga nerds in the 2000s and the edgetards still were around >Then there was the “cute girls doing cute things” and Slice of Life fags that hated everything and anything edgy. They used that term for any anime that wasn’t above.
: In S1E16 Kirito chooses to use the same character name for his ALO avatar as he did in SAO, even though he had been just reminded that even people who weren’t in the SAO death game recognize that name. He is shown to understand that using that name could bring him trouble, but he chooses to have it anyway.Stupidly enough, no one recognizes him in ALO, not even his own sister who should have known about Kirito’s SAO name by then. He uses the name Kirito again in GGO and still only Death Gun knows it’s the same person from SAO and everyone assumes he’s just some random female player.So no matter how foolish decisions the main character makes, the writers have made sure they don’t cause him any trouble - even if it’s against all logic. The privileges Kirito gets on the expense of other character’s intelligence is inexcusable.
All players apparently recovered in two months, which is simply not possible no matter what treatment was used
Kirito got a papercut in his finger before he entered SAO in the first episode. Despite the game making his in-game body match the real one there was no way for the NerveGear helmet to find out about the bleeding finger. And even if you take damage in the game there is no blood
>>281874481its always from anime manga weeb elitistsyou really think new fag normies care about how deep a story is? no they watch and go back to normal activities like fucking a woman while she watches anime they aren't here to prove to any of /a/tards that this or that anime is good bad
>>281908062No you fucking retard. It's the privilege the AUDIENCE gets, because the audience wants to see the further adventures of Kirito, not Kazuto.
Since the whole game is skill-based and all attacks can be dodged (all the weaker characters were already in the safe room, Kirito has the highest level and Asuna had a title for being super fast) there was no reason for someone to stay behind to pull the monster’s aggro. They could have just fled and avoided the one hit the monster may have had time to make while they dash to the safe room. Heck, since before going into that dungeon they made sure everyone had crystals they should have teleported away that instant instead of staying behind to “distract” some overleveled mobs.Plot-wise the only purpose of that scene was to have Kirito seem heroic and Yui seem badass, but the conflict was not properly built
Player killing in SAO is made nonsensically easy, and it sure is thanks to their op paralyze mechanics and that player’s levels don’t seem to make any difference, except if it’s about Kirito when the writer didn’t want him to be easily defeated.In S1E6 the Laughing Coffin guild members first paralyze Schmitt and then attack him even though they recognize him as the leader of a guild that fights in the frontlines. Schmitt was referred to as a tank, so he also should have had the same regeneration skill as Kirito, so even when paralyzed killing him shouldn’t be an easy task due to that and undoubtedly higher level than the PKers.
SAO has serious problems understanding that real life gamers treat NPCs like they’d treat a microwave, no matter how realistic they’d look. The quality of graphics and AI has no effect on that because people make a clear difference between a real person and a fake one - except in SAO.In S1E5 Kirito defends NPCs as if they had feelings and lives of their own and in S2E16-17 Klein is so desperate to be in a relationship that he hits on NPC girls and asks for their contact info. No one questions this behavior in the show so we can assume it is considered normal, even though in reality people would think they are as crazy as the one who thought writing this into the show was a good idea.
In S1E3 Kirito gets an item that can resurrect a person within 10 seconds of their death and he gives it to Klein.The item is never mentioned again. Ever.In S1E14 Asuna breaks the game’s paralyze mechanics and takes a deadly blow. She dies, yet minutes later she is magically back to life after Kirito has beaten the game.In every way it would have made sense to have Klein use the resurrection item on Asuna to bring her back in that scene. Or at least give the item back to Kirito so that we could follow the pattern and Kirito would do all the meaningful stuff, but instead of connecting these two the writers left both plotholes there as they were. What a lazy waste of potential.
In a split second Kirito learned how to use the black box to enter the game’s system, found how to turn already-deleted data (Yui in this case) into game objects and did it. The existence of such device inside the game is ridiculous to begin with, but Kirito knowing how to use it on his first try so swiftly is pure nonsense.If in just few seconds he managed to learn to alter the system, he should have focused on logging people out of the game instead of saving their fictional dream child by turning it into a necklace.
>>281908163Anon. People are dating and "marrying" AI chatbots now.Liking NPC in game is perfectly believable behavior.>real life gamersOnce again. You can't use example of "gamers" in setting where people are unable to leave the game and the death is real.
>>281908226Cope, seethe and dial 8. In the setting, NPCs are explicitly unrealistic/static. The people marrying chatbots are the same who used to marry sexdolls and are treated as such. A game is a game and people in a game behave as in a game. That is the most nonsensical defense you sub-10 IQ downies have ever tried.
>>281874481You'd have to have been there in the early-mid 2010s to understand young zoomer.
Moving the players to hospitals would have been a huge operation yet it was somehow arranged in a very short amount of time. Doctors are already busy in Tokyo area so how did they get enough employees to take care of the patients?The players were said to be moved to hospitals several weeks after the game started so they should be dead. “feeding players at home” would be impossible because when they’re stuck in the game the players cannot swallow or chew - those are conscious maneuvers. They would have had to be put on a drip, combined with injections for other nutrients they needed. How did hospitals manage to hand out equipment for over nearly 9000 players? Would everyone somehow have a doctor friend who would install the drip, since not everyone knows how it’s done? Young person needs fluids every single day, so getting the equipment would have been extremely urgent and someone would have had to bring it to where the player was. Lonely livers like Klein would have had no one to bring the stuff over within the next 24 hours. It is absurdly stupid that no one in SAO died because of natural reasons even though it should have been the most common cause.No matter what treatment was used, not a single one of them should have been able to sit up or walk within MONTHS or YEARS after being freed from the game, if they survived at all. Their heads couldn’t have been cleaned even in the hospital because of the helmet, so their hair should have fallen off eventually and their skull would have suffered from the pressure, their heads would be full of infections and yes, everyone would have very likely died thanks to that.Reminder that healthcare is not free in asia, and indeed the expense of inpatient care on their family is a common plotpoint in many manga.
Asuna should be dead. She got killed many minutes before the game ended, so there was no good reason for her to suddenly be alive again afterwards.Though actually, instead of dead she should be lying on the ground paralyzed and unable to take the hit that should have killed her.Before the battle, Kirito did request that if he dies Asuna shouldn’t be able to commit suicide in a while and Akihiko agreed to that, but that was IF he dies, and at this point he was still alive. Also, if it was Akihiko who altered Asuna’s time of death, there should have been a mention of it when he was talking with Kirito and Asuna few minutes later.
>>281874481Bros I miss young so much. SAO was like my 2nd anime, I binged it during thanksgiving break in 2013. I was just a sophomore in highschool.I rewatched it recently and it was shit, but that doesn't take away from the fact there's nothing like the first few ecchi/power fantasy anime you watch when you're 15.My life was so good back then, and I had potential too. God what I would give for an age regression to happen to me.
One character calls themselves a Knight and others call him out for it, saying there are no classes in the game, wondering if the guy is going to say anything serious at all. If this is how people reacted to Diabel’s title, why is it that all other titles in the game are not ridiculed? Every other time after that when characters talk about smiths and tanks and beast tamers it’s considered completely normal.
The photon sword isn’t the only thing in GGO no one is said to use yet Kirito masters right away. The vehicles, unarguably the fastest (and maybe even safest) way to move on the map, are said to be extremely difficult to use yet Kirito is a natural with the buggy on his first try.They are trying to hint that Kirito is good with the buggies because he used to play racing games, and he is shown to drive a motorcycle in real life, but it is an extremely sloppy reason for ONLY him to be able to handle in-game vehicles. Surely there are other other players in GGO who have played more racing games and have more real-life experience on driving.Not only that, but Kirito having the unique ability to drive the buggy had absolutely no plot value at all. Sinon and him trying to reach the registration in time would have been just as - if not more - exciting with them just fighting against time by running, but instead they wanted to make Kirito even more of a gary stu
In S1E1 Kirito was shown to be scared, like anyone would in a death game, but all the sympathy he recieved from the viewers was discarded just one episode later.In the scene in episode 2 the other players realized Kirito was a beta tester and became angry at him. Kirito’s way of slipping out of the situation was to boast about how he is better than any other beta tester and how he knows more about the game than anyone else. It makes no sense that he got away with a “crime” by telling how much worse crimes he has committed; the other players should have been even more angry with him after that. Even if boasting was just an act to get away, it was a bad one. Kirito’s escape from the other players was handed to him with no real effort and against all oddsThe boasting could have been an act, but saying he was stronger than anyone else wasn’t, as after this episode Kirito is always overleveled compared to everyone else even though he’s said to play solo.Only post-2015 MMOs make solo play faster than group play, before that higher level mobs were impossible solo so you were stuck on lower level mobs getting exp at a snail's pace, and many MMOs had exp boost or distribution strategies that sped group play even nore beyond being able to strategize with e.g. organized pull+aoe tactics.
When Asuna in S1E13 points out that the players can’t stay in-game forever because their bodies can’t stand it, Kirito is shocked to hear their time is limited, as if he had never considered that his body can’t stand lying still for too long.And not once do we hear about a player that would have died because their real body died - it was always the other way around or that someone tried to remove the NerveGear.Lacking this point of view to the death game brings its veracity down so much it is unforgivable the writer didn’t include it.
In S1E9 Asuna wants to party up with Kirito and take leave from her guild but her guild leader resists. For some reason Heathcliff challenges Kirito to duel for Asuna’s freedom - as opposed to Asuna fighting for it. Heathcliff also talks about “Kirito taking Asuna away” even though it was her decision to quit. For the plot’s sake Kirito had to duel Heathcliff so that he would later on realize who the man really was, but just as fine it could have been Asuna who’d fight and come to the same conclusion. Having Kirito do it was just an alternative and another way to make him a special snowflake.
In S1E13 Asuna says how several weeks after the game’s beginning most players went offline for several hours, and she continues to assume that was because players were moved to hospitals. Not only is it absolute nonsense that thousands of players could have been moved simultaneously instead of one-by-one, but after many weeks not a single player should have been alive anymore.The statement that players went offline is baffling. Going offline means that you are logged out - that you are out of the game. If logging them back in was possible, it should have also been possible for someone to enter the game even though they were not there the day of the release.We can assume that in that two years of SAO no one managed to hack the server and shut it down, hack the game and alter it or enter it, or hack someone’s NerveGear and prevent it from frying the player’s brain. Draining out the internal battery before it manages to do any harm should have been possible as well.Also, if players could go offline and still not have their brains destroyed by the NerveGear, the people in real world should have kept some players offline permanently as an experiment to see if they’d eventually wake up.The lack of effort other people did to free players from SAO was so minimal
In S2E17 Kirito had no reason to throw away the sword as it was obviously going to be a quest reward (and it was, as seen in the same episode).Kirito says the sword was heavy, but it couldn’t have been stopping him from jumping onto their ride, since Sinon caught it with just an arrow and a rope. And if it was too heavy in his inventory, he still could have given it to one of his friends or thrown it aboard and then jumped.Even if it wasn’t as good as his own sword or he just didn’t want it, he could have sold it or given it to one of his friends, though apparently it was good because we see him use it later on.If he didn’t want the sword because of how much trouble it caused to the game, he wouldn’t have accepted it back after Sinon picked it up, yet he does it without hesitation.Regardless of his motives, the whole scene where Kirito throws away the sword is absolute nonsense
In S1E5 Kirito has no obligation to obey Asuna’s orders since he’s not a member of their guild, so her telling him he should makes no sense.Also, even though Kirito is supposed to play solo, he is discussing strategy with guild members in many occasions, mentions to know people from the frontlines and that he has battled bosses with them. At the end of S1E6 Asuna even says that he is part of the assault team and not a second after that Kirito says he’s a solo player despite having so many contacts in the frontlines.Playing solo doesn’t only mean that you don’t belong in a guild, but also that you don’t group up. If you’re not in a group when fighting bosses, you won’t either be able to join the fight at all or the guild will kick you out as you could potentially steal loot and exp from all of the group members by landing the last hit on the boss.In S1E8 we are shown that beta testers are still hated, so no one should have wanted to group up with him anyway.With all these connections, Kirito claiming that he’s a solo player is a lie. He’s someone who prefers to play alone but teams up (against all odds) for bigger fights, which makes him something else than a solo player.
Sao is shit but i always feel like its the Justin Bieber of anime: it was shitty yes but got way more extreme hate than it really deserved.
>>281897970>Worse soundtrackMade me bit your bait, if you actually think that's true you must prove how SAO soundtrack is better than .Hack//, personally I do not think anything from SAO is at the level of The World, Gentle Hands, Yasashii Yoake, Aura.
In S1E2 it is said that in one month’s time the 8000 players that were alive in SAO - including beta testers - couldn’t find the first floor boss.The structure of Aincrad, the world map of SAO, reveals that every floor has large towers that goes up to the next floor, and on top of one of the towers is the floor boss that needs to be defeated in order to proceed. Finding the floor boss should have been easy, considering how few options there are for its location. Almost comically, in the same episode we are shown the gigantic door that leads to the boss room, meaning that somehow such a landmark was ignored when they were trying to find the boss.
>>281908582All in all everyone can agree there's worse out there, but it's extremely rare to find something with worse writing and characters and those animes that feature these flaws aren't heralded as the best thing since sliced bread.
In S1E4 Silica says how she got bullied by her old acquaintances, who had started calling her “Dragon Tamer Silica”. Considering that Kirito refers to her as a “beast tamer” and that her companion was a dragon, there really was no reason why the nickname would have offended her.
>>281908624Swordland and Luminous sword alone blows the entirety of .Hack soundtrack.
In S1E11 Asuna had no reason to be afraid of Kirito’s ghost stories. First of all they were inside a game and she was fighting in the frontlines past floor 50 and they were on floor 22 at the time, so whatever could have come at them she could have handled. At this point she didn’t know high-level enemies could appear in earlier floors so in the least, a ghost-related side quest could have provided some exp, money and loot.
Why is it always that SAO attracts the most retarded individuals? Be it the ones that hate or love it.
>>281908677They're good, but not the best Kajiura has made, take as example .Hack// Soundtrack.
SAO is not terrible but it was too generic and became the gateway for the worst kind of viewers who then continued to skewer and pollute the reception of anime.
>>281874481>Romanceinto the trash it goes.
>>281901229Yeah it's called the fucking matrix
From the very first episode Kirito is shown to be a loner and reluctant to partner up with anyone, yet he joins a guild in S1E3. The other guild members end up dying, and later in S1E10 Kirito says that the guild members getting killed was the reason he played solo, even though his interest in soloing the game was there already before that and already before he even knew the game was a death trap.It makes it seem like every character in the guild was created for the sole purpose of giving the main character a reason to be dark and angsty.Kirito’s guilt is poorly explained as well. He says he got the guild members killed because he hid his level and didn’t warn them, even though hiding his level wouldn’t have stopped him from doing that. And he actually DID warn them but they just didn’t listen.In general Kirito doesn’t even want to add people to his friendlist, yet in random instances (like in S1E7) he is ready to partner up with someone he just met for minor reasons, so not only is he a stereotype but he also contradicts himself for plot’s sake.
Sinon should not have vast knowledge of guns because just the sight of them triggers her panic attacks. Researching them in order to get better is not a good reason, because she was NOT better even after the knowledge she got, so fear-of-the-unkown clearly doesn’t apply to her phobia.
>>281908814>best Kajiura has madeBuddy that's Tsubasa Chronicle, A Song of Storm and Fire. Though I would say her magnum opus is the Madoka soundtrack
Kirito, a 16-year-old and Asuna, a 17-year-old, who have been a couple for less than two weeks, accept that this girl they just met - who they still assume to have parents somewhere in the game - calls them mommy and daddy. And the teenagers decide to adopt Yui, even after hearing that it is indeed just coding inside the game and not a real person.When in S1E12 the Cardinal system erases it from the game Asuna says she cannot go on without Yui. It is unsettling how attached to Yui the main duo became in just one day and even more disturbing how this happy family farce goes on for the entire lenght of the series.Later on Yui explains that it looks like a little girl and speaks the way it does so that it would be more approachable, but in reality behavior like that would only repel people. The real reason it looks and acts like that is because the show was still missing a stereotypical kawaii super child the viewers could feel protective of
Not just in MMOs but in all games it is not unusual for a player to play as a character that’s not the same sex as they are, and even in SAO S1E1 they show a fat neet who was playing as a young girl.Despite that, in all games after SAO in the show the players seem to assume the character’s sex matches the player’s, just like when Kirito enters GGO both random players and Sinon assume he’s a female just because of the way his character looks and sounds.
In S1E12 even though Asuna had just said you cannot damage a player in towns she then proceeds to claim that in-town fights are terrifying because of the knockback effect.Knockback is not unheard of in other games, but instead of terrifying it is plain annoying. If you cannot be hurt, there is nothing to be afraid of - especially for people who have been in the game two years and have had plenty of time to adjust to the mechanics.In the least, the goons that were threatening others shouldn’t have shivered in fear because someone else was using the knockback on them.
In S1E1 the game master says that all ways to revive a person have been removed from the game, yet just two episodes later Kirito defeats a boss and gains an item that allows a person to be brought back within 10 seconds of their in-game death. (counts as a resurrection)
>>281874481>the shounen genreOP are you perhaps retarded?That aside to give an actual nuanced answer:It's a popular anime that reached the mainstream and newer audiences. Like anything popular you can argue that they are both overrated and overhated because the majority of people are retards who cannot consider the middle ground. Overrated because you will have subhumans who have seen 20 anime total tout something as the best thing ever made and overhated because you'll have other retards who act like its the worst thing ever. The answer is normally somewhere in between.I think SAO is pretty bad overall but I can admit that there are some good aspects too. The visuals are good, it's got a good soundtrack and there's some pretty decent action animation, the girls are hot too. I also genuinely enjoyed the few episodes of Kirito and Asuna developing their relationship while living out in the woods. What makes SAO bad comes down to a lot of missed potential and superficial amateurish writing. Keep in mind it's been more than 10 years since I watched the show so my memory may be a bit fuzzy.While "trapped in a video game" isn't the most original story, there was definitely potential to make something interesting here, you can explore how VR video games can function as a second life to many people and how people may want to be someone entirely different online than they are in real life. How relationships form between people from entirely different backgrounds who would never interact in real life but come together online due to a shared interest. The outset of the anime paints SAO as this massive world with 100 floors yet we barely get to see anything of it, likely because the author's vision was greater than his capacity to write these things.
>>281874481>>281908987The anime builds up the difficulty of the game but then we just skip all the last floors to jump straight to the boss and then afterwards we jump into another game nobody cares about. The time spent on Alfheim could be used to flesh out the world of SAO instead. Asuna goes from being a competent player who can get shit done on to rapemeat for the entire arc.A lot of the writing comes down to having your cake and eating it too. The author tries to paint Kirito as this socially awkward outcast yet he has girls lining up to suck his dick. The entire "beater" nonsense is also retarded, clearly the author wanted Kirito to have some unique superpower but he also tries to paint it as something bad. If he was capable of nuance he could write about the real dilemma of beta players getting preferential treatment and how justifiably annoyed people would be. I thought Log Horizon was boring as shit but at least you could tell the author was invested in MMORPGs SAO just wears the whole video game thing as a paintjob because MMOs were popular at the time.>tl;drThere's some stuff SAO does well and there's also plenty of genuine criticism you can point out about the anime. I think it's bad but there's far worse anime out there that people won't spend 15 years talking about. Anyone who acts like SAO is the worst thing ever made has probably seen less than 30 anime. People are unable to admit that something they like has flaws or something they dislike has actual merits.
>>281908891IIRC he got them killed because he knew he could have said "I'm 30 levels above you and I know this is a trap so fucking listen to me" and it would at least have a bit of weight.Instead he hesitated and thought maybe he could just deal with the trap by being high leveled, and in those five seconds the retard ran in to open the chest. Then the dwarf enemies showed up and hacked everyone to pieces while he was defending himself.Then his friends all got their brains turned into mush by the nervgear.I don't remember how the anime explained/showed it but the reasoning I remember more or less makes sense.
>>281874481The people who really hate the show are annoyed that it abandoned the edgelord "if you die in the game you die in real life" premise, which wasn't handled well in the first place anyway, so those people are retarded.I will always maintain that Aincrad is the worst arc, everything after that is mediocre at worst until you get to Alicization, which is horseshit, but still better than Aincrad.
Soloing raid bosses because you can dodge their attacks is still nearly impossible. In theory it’s not, but let’s say a raid boss attacked by 24 people takes 15 minutes to beat. Thanks to the number of players involved people can take a potion while others are covering them, aggro can be switched between players while others deal damage and someone is watching over the situation as a whole. If Kirito is there alone, he always has the aggro, so the boss cannot be attacked while it is attacking, because Kirito needs to dodge. It would not only take 24x15min = 6 hours but maybe even longer because Kirito wouldn’t be able to maneuver many tasks simultaenously. In addition, the boss could have minions just like the first floor boss, and they’d be chasing Kirito as well. He would earn better exp just by killing mobs, so he’d have to waste half a day just for a good loot from a boss, while group players are getting both the exp and gear from fighting stronger opponents. The boss may even have health regeneration, making it impossible to beat unless enough damage is dealt to it within certain amount of time.A level advantage would also have to be earned first, which would be incredibly difficult for a solo player. He could only fight raid bosses far below his level, so he would never have as good gear as group players - which is apparently false because he does have better gear than group players.So even though it is possible for Kirito to go solo and get strong eventually, it should NOT be possible in ANY WAY for him to be stronger than the group players who have had the exact amount of time to grind as he has.
>>281909030If you have a look at the retard's posts, it's all nonsensical shit like that.
>>281909088>raid bosses because you can dodge their attacks is still nearly impossibleIt has been done to death. This has been attempted AND been done since Everquest. There's a literal leaderboard speedrun on solo FFXIV raids.
>>281909030That is correct and understandable even from the anime scenes, but so tenuous I can't see it as any vindication of this poor writing. They already respected kirito and realistically (a hard ask with this shit writing!) they would have reasoned that since he's so high level nothing could be a threat and pile up to open the chest even faster, if anything. Not to mention the alternative risk: that revealing his level means they suddenly fear he was trying to trick them, maybe keep the loot to himself knowing the chest must have something good, and so turn on him.
>>281900470True. Anyone with high enough IQ wouldn't really be watching SAO and the ones that do rarely find any enjoyment out of it. Which is why you find so many mentally handicapped individuals flocking to it.
>>281909133Yes, but relying exclusively on one of: babyfied instances (as implemented in some games), exploits (by far the most common), or gross overleveling/overgearing (very common in long-running mmo's where gear inflation makes raid bosses that used to be hard into easy soloable fights because gear and power scale changed even in the appropriate level range).None of this is used in sao.In ffxiv, it's the 8man raids that are soloable, not the 24man raids as in sao.
>>281909030>>281909155>they would have reasoned that since he's so high level nothing could be a threat and pile up to open the chest even faster, if anythingIt's not difficult to understand at all. The guildfags thought he was only a few levels above them, which means that the recent dungeons that they've been fighting seem like a breeze, ergo this trap should be a breeze too because they've been able to pull through every time which made them complacent.
>>281909202>but relying exclusivelyThere's a literal world boss that's been soloed in FFXI that took 12 hours to defeat. This complaint is a load of nonsense.
>>281909202There's no instances in FFXI or Albion Online. Every raid/boss is something you can just walk up to.
>>281909217And if his level is even higher, surely it would be even more of a breeze. Are you perchance retarded?
>>281909237The complaint specifically says that it would take at least 6 hours which is not the case in sao. You are confirming the complaint.
>>281909284Well that's exactly it, if you were following closely you'd have known that the dungeon they were doing that day was a little bit higher than their current level. Which means the trap was meant for explorers who've already done the dungeon and were higher level. This is pretty clear with the limited information already. Sure it might be a breeze for Kirito but the crux is that it's a death trap for lower levelled players which tve other guildfags were.
>>281909253Most games do instances for raids, but many older games did not. As I recall sao does also use instances.As does ffxiv where you won't solo a lv50 8man raid as lv50 but would rather try at lv70, and you wouldn't really do lv60+ raids solo at all, unlike in sao where kirito can solo 24man raids even near the top.
>>281909315The point is that if he said he was higher level, that wouldn't have saved them, more like it would have had the opposite effect. Hiding knowledge of mechanics is an entirely different issue that never comes up in the show except as people complain about beta testers. If anything this segment wpuld lend great credence to that side of the argument, but nope, it's only uses to make special snowflake kirito dark and broosy instead of developing the world and player tensions.
>>281909294It really depends, OSRS had Tzkal Zuk boss which isn't easy but can definitely be done solo in less than 13 mins. Again it's all subjective plus you literally see Gleam Eyes already having down to its 2nd health bar from the army dudes, then the cavalry arrives and knock it down a few more bars. It's not a full solo at all.
>ITT: everyone! look at OP; loot at OP and laugh!!>>281874532>SAO is better than the whole of its genre.>pic related
>>281909339>The point is that if he said he was higher level, that wouldn't have saved themThat's exactly it though. Trauma isn't logical and to him it's his fault that they died, not because they were retarded. Hell the guild leader did blame him for dying too so clearly there's another reason why he has an overwhelming guilt about the whole thing. >Hiding knowledge of mechanics is an entirely different issue that never comes up in the show except as people complain about beta testersI mean it's done to also cover up Diavel being one of those betas who did actually know the mechanics of what happens when you land the last hit.>lend great credence to that side of the argument, but nopeYeah it does. Which is exactly why it's used in the progressive manga from what I vaguely recall there was this dude who went around "breaking" people's weapons by using an exploit and stealing those weapons to be sold. It's been years but yeah it's a pretty interesting way to use exploits that people aren't aware of.
>>281909383Osrs has nothing to do with actual rs like it used to be, just like ffxi has nothing to do with how it used to be. The games in general have been heavily casualized and made soloable to try to match the wow formula in terms.of profit. You can't use these games as examples of mmos at all, they're massively singleplayer online games nowadays, meaning other players exist only as props. Notice how you don't interact with players to transact goods, but rather with an anonymous auction house, or that you don't look for people to join a party or raid group, but just queue and get what might as well be NPCs to join, mostly silent amd non-interacting, just beelining from A to B. (Specifics depend on games but I don't know a single one still alive that differs).Zuk is a particularly retarded example because he is specifically designed as a solo fight, not a raid boss.It does not depend.
What I usually find is a lot of the nitpicks and "criticism" people have can be remedied by reading or just basic information retention or some basic critical thinking given what's been provided to the viewer.
I dislike how every underbaked every character in the show is other than Kirito when he's interacting with Asuna. Every female side character is designed to be a love interest despite him being commited to Asuna while Klein and Agil are just friendly dudes with similar laid back personalities. Kayaba is a meme Kirito is undeniably the best player in the game and is at a level where the vast majority of the player base can't even touch him because he has a much deeper understanding of the game because beater, it gets to a point where the only person on par with him was the game's developer himself and even then he still had to cheat to win. This takes the tension out of later half of SAO because Kirito can solo everything no problem which is probably why they dropped fighting all 100 floor bosses and instead focused on revealing kayaba's in game identitySword Art Online itself is an MMO but isn't built like an MMO and stops using aspects of an MMO as part of the story telling after Kirito's first guild gets slaughtered, it's something more akin to a Souls game but with other players running around given how the game is designed purely around fighting bosses with melee combat with no healing or supportive abilities outside of your own personal stock of items and you level up your abilities the exact same way you do in Final Fantasy 2, which includes purposefully taking damage to buff up your health regen which is the actual reason why Kirito didn't take damage from that group of people bumrushing him not because of the level gap. The secret laughing coffin guy confuses me because how on earth does the game allow you to be a member of multiple guilds without displaying it? I liked SAO because of the premise, I just didn't like the execution or the design of SAO as a video game and felt disappointed. This got worse with the other games as they also had problems design wise and got worse story wise.
>>281909453Yes it does. You have LOTRO which you you can absolutely solo 6 man dungeons with a raid boss on your own with the right build.In EVE online you can literally just solo T6 Abyssals with the right gear that usually take 3 people.
>>281892703>>281875640everyone keeps forgetting .hackit's not even a bad show or property
>>281909518Being signidicantly overgeared and overleveled and benefiting from.powercreep has already been covered. Doing 3man content solo and soing 24man content solo has no relation at all. In LOTRO only 2 classes can solo 6man and they need to be, and only a couple of them are even doable, only one at a normal level. It's almost at the level of exploits.
>>281909470Pretty sure they explained it pretty well on that bridge scene how they'd have secret members that's not registered in the guild to be scouts for people on potential targets. Also from my understanding, Laughing Coffin is not a proper guild but rather just collection of deranged edgefags since red players get attacked by safe zone NPCs and can't trade or interact with Safe Zone NPCs
>>281909637Again, it's been done ergo I really don't feel it's that big of a deal. Hell Sunraku does the same shit too and it's equally as entertaining.
People that watched this when they were 8, are now old enough to tell us the show with good.
>>281909642Laughing Coffin is a guild, and the dude had the guild's emblem marked on his wrist. The only reason surviving members of laughing coffin weren't arrested for player killing in SAO was because everything was blamed on Kayaba.
Married couples in SAO share their inventory, yet none of the Golden Apple guild members realized that the ring Griselda was holding would be in her husband’s possession after she died. It took six months and a Gary Stu main character to figure it out.
>>281909654I accept your surrender.
>>281874481SAO is not great, but it alsp is a lot better than people claim it is
>>281874481SAO is much better than redditor zero, the reason the latter doesnt get shitposted to death is because having 1/10 of popularity didnt hurt the hípster ssnsibilities like SAO did
>>281874845ZnT is still a battle harem, not an isekai. It's the missing link, in a way.
In S1E4 Kirito talks about how much health he recovers in comparison to how much the low lever players are causing him. He said he has 14,500 HP and he recovers 600 every 10 seconds while the attackers deal only 400 to him.The issue is not with the health regeneration itself, but the fact that we never witness anything like it ever again in the entire show. Whenever after this episode we see Kirito’s - or anyone’s - health go down in a fight, it never comes back up without a healing item. Introducing a game mechanic and then ignoring it is nothing but bad writing, especially when it’s only to make the main character look more badass.This is also ridiculous from a game design/balance perspective because the noobs weren't level 20, they were all above half his level. However, this is acceptable because kirito himself poi ts out this is shitty balance.That's what the show lacks in general though: if you have bullahit that makes no sense, at some level it is ok, but only ao long as you call it out somehow.
SAO is okay.SAO Progressive is great at first and degrades to good
>>281909470>the game is designed purely around fighting bosses with melee combat with no healing or supportive abilities outside of your own personal stock of items and you level up your abilities the exact same way you do in Final Fantasy 2You're thinking of DPS. The game is likely based on games that preceded games that preceded WoW-which popularized DPS (like...maybe Wyvern, yup), and may well be Final Fantasy 2 put together into a server for multiple players that would anything go such as legendary unique items as the game is trying out the massive-online technology. D&D is, I believe, similarly non-DPS and different following different design philosophies (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/587). >more akin to a Souls game but with other players This is less a reference and more that it's VR. If you're making a novel futuristic VR game that naturally lets the players move around wouldn't it be a waste to make it turn-based? The entire premise is that you make use of motion control to wield a sword, the second game goes on to allow flight, etc. It has to be kept in mind that a game with such a exploratory design philosophy is meeting this new technology of VR.
>>281874969>It's the Solo Leveling of its timeIt really, really is surprisingly little like Solo Leveling. Beyond John Gook Woo or whatever his name is looking vaguely like Kirito.Kirito has a personality, he's a believable character with ideology, goals and conflict. Meanwhile, when you look at Lee Vee Luup Also SAO has other characters that have a personality, goals and conflict.Compared to Solo Leveling, SAO is Shakespeare.
>>281910402>You're thinking of DPS.No, I'm thinking of traditional MMOs where part of the combat design is to encourage players to cooperate with each other by filling out various different niches, the most classical version of this being the trinity(Tank, DPS, Healer) MMOs before WoW still had different combat roles like Everquest, which is what Reiki played, and the original AOL online Neverwinter Nights which was based on D&D.>FF2I was talking about the skill and stat leveling of FF2, not the full on entire game. You level up stats and abilities in FF2 by reteadedly using them or in the case of HP getting hit repeatedely. The closest modern comparrison would be TESV: Skyrim's skill system. >This is less a reference and more that it's VR.MMOs, even older ones that predate WoW like FFXI, Maplestory and Everquest aren't turn based, turn-based MMOs are a minority and are generally done as a purposeful choice rather than as a hardware limitation. SAO has more in common with a soulslike than it does contemporary MMORPGs, though I will give it to Reiki for making this a noted abnormality in the early chapters rather than establishing this as something normal.
>>281907798>Now you have people too young to remember it’s initial run and parroting their favorite pooptoober’s opinion. >>281875289(You)Why are you mad
>>281874532That's false because .Hack did it better and came out years before SAO.
originally in S1E2 the beta testers recieved hate because they didn’t stay behind to help other players but instead went on because they knew the way. In the very same episode it is said though that the beta testers had made a guidebook that was available for everyone, so they DID help despite Kibaou’s accusations.In S1E1 Klein points out that the beta testers only made it to floor 8, so on any floor after that the beta testers had no privileges. The game goes on for two whole years and the players make it past floor 70, so the hate towards the beta testers wouldn’t be justified anymore. Especially claiming that they “only think about themselves” (like Kuradeel says in S1E8) is nonsense, as at that point solo players shouldn’t be able to make it further than large groups.As the playerbase was composed of all kinds of gaymers and other experienced and knowledgeable people and nerds, it's like an assembly of math grads, profs and phd's who can't figure out what is 1+1 but genius kirito-sama can even figure out that 2+2=5 which is why everyone thinks every retarded thing he saya is genius.
>>281910656The trinity with a healer is actually new, used to be tank-damage-support instead. D&D wizards for example are mostly utility machines until late game and more interesting for exploration and cc than damage and would count in that role. Prieats used to have a lot more non-heal skills, etc.
In S1E6 Yolko is shocked to find out that two of her guild members were married in real life as well as in-game, so it made no sense that in the previous episode she specified that the two were married only in-game. If she didn’t know about it there was no reason to specify it - other than to give false assumptions to the viewers so that they won’t solve the mystery before Kirito does.
>>281910656>You level up stats and abilities in FF2 by reteadedly using them or in the case of HP getting hit repeatedely.I...know a mmo with this but it's such trash I want to forget I played that. apparently UO had it you can ask AI. What makes something 'a proper mmo'. It really depends on the game.It's more that there are people who question if D&D fits it well, like later you have skills specifically to make an enemy target the tank. does it idk https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/95374428/>SAO has more in common with a soulslike than it does contemporary MMORPGsI chalk this to a 'this is a VR' gimmick.
SAO servers managed to stay up 2 years straight with no crashes. Japan is known for its earthquakes so constant connection from all 6000+ players that made it through is quite miraculous.
>>281911108That doesm't explain the numerous game mechanic fails like inconsistent rules, power of love magic, unique skills for special snowflakes only, every player beside kirito acting like this is the first game they've played in their life and never looked up any info on this game before playing (while having little to no trouble adapting to vr controls though... lol), 0 ability to organize or strategize even for people who survived daily fighting for 2 years, etc.Even for new games irl it's common for guilds of other games to all jump in togerher and rush content uaing overall game savvy, info sharing, prior research and planning, sheer numbers, and ingame experimentation. Here even old men act like they're mentally 5 year olds. That's not vr soing thiz
>>281874481Kirito is too bland and overpowered.
Kirito’s reason for heping Silica in S1E3 was that she looks like his sister.Except she doesn’t. At all.
In S1E5-6 the two people, Yolko and Kains, fake their deaths by piercing themselves with weapons and then using a teleport crystal right when their armor’s durability runs out to make it look like a death animation.The durability running out simultaneously with the teleport seemed like a very unnecessary addition, since the armor teleports with its wearer after all. And for some reason everyone fell for the trick even though player’s HP bar is always visible and theirs never went down since they weren’t taking any damage. (Kirito even says that later on yet didn’t point it out at the time)However, in S1E11 Asuna points out that in towns weapons don’t deal damage but instead cause a slight knockback effect. These players either somehow managed to get past the knockback, or there is none when someone pierces themselves with their own weapon.But that creates a problem: Since the weapons that pierced Kains and Yolko were left behind, that means they weren’t equipping the weapon when they used the teleport crystals - which should be impossible since in order to use a weapon you need to have it equipped. In theory it could be possible that they first equipped the weapons, then stabbed themselves and only then removed the weapons from their inventory, though then it would be possible to walk around with your body being pierced by 20 daggers yet we see no one exploiting that glitch.
One out of every ten people in SAO had played the beta, yet besides Kirito and Diabel (S1E2) we never even hear of the other beta-testers. Undoubtedly Kirito wasn’t the only experienced player among them (even though he said otherwise in episode 2), so not including any other beta-testers in the show only adds more to what a special snowflake the main character is.
>>281911108An MMO by definition is a game that facilitates a massive amount of players within a persistant world, we generally use "MMO" as short hand for MMORPGs which is what we're generally discussing when we use the term. D&D(the table top system) is NOT an MMO but there are MMORPGs that are based on it, many types of games have aggro systems that aren't massive multiplayer.>>281911178>unique skills for special snowflakes onlyThis actually used to be a thing in older MMOs where a single unique item could only be held by a single player on the server at a time, you can hear stories about these items in old korean MMOs and whatnot. There's also a unique class you can get in Elder Scrolls Online that's spefically only given to the highest ranked PvP player during a set period. >inconsistent rules, power of love magicThis only really becomes an issue during the ending, or was something added in specifically by the anime for reasons we still haven't gleaned. >never looked up any info on this game before playingIt was a brand new launch, there was no info before hand they could've looked up before playing other than the small amount of info that the Beta testers did in fact put out as an in game guidebook.
at the end of episode 1 Kirito says exp and money in SAO are limited, even though that is against all the logic MMOs are based on. It also contradicts with almost every episode after the first one for a few reasons:► If resources were limited there would be absolutely no point in everyone trying to complete the game. Money and exp are sure to be divided rather thin between thousands of people, so it would make much more sense to pick the best players, have them form a group and give all resources to them. Anyone weaker trying to beat the game themselves would be just making it harder for the frontliners.► If mobs didn’t respawn it would be possible for one group in the game to prevent everyone else from getting further. They could kill all monsters in one floor and keep away everyone who’d try to join them. That way they’d hoard all the exp for themselves and they’d be higher level than everyone else. They could defeat the floor boss and proceed to the next floor while others would be unable to follow them as the mobs there would be too strong for them.► If money was limited it would eventually run out, as in games you can’t sell equipment for the same price you buy it. After some time only those players who are high enough level to fight new monsters would have money.
>>281878423Those are good though.>>281874481.Hack//SIGN and the IMOQ games came before SAO. Similar premise but far better execution. Sadly quality did not remain consistent once the original project ended.
>>281911271I know about unique items, and beside you cpuld also call back to mmo's like swg where becoming a jedi is a very hard and rare thing, which could provide a much better background for 'unique skills' as a model.Another mainstay was player firsts being memorialized.But that's not the problem. The problem is specifically the akills, their uniqueness, and their unlimitedness.It was a brand new launch but beta players exiated and they always put shit online from when they play. Yet, I'm not even talking about that. People would have surely watched trailers and read marketing blurbs, visited the website, wbich would likely have a deacription of some key characters, backstory, maybe skill lists and descriptions, and 100% would describe its unique mechanics.Of course there would be playthrough videos, and if you want to claim something ridiculous like an nda, first community players always break those, second there are no such things in betas, and third there would still be nda-compliant user reviews (a significant decsion point for people buying games, let alone entire new devices for said gamrs).
Though pets exist, no other player besides Silica are ever shown to have any, which makes no sense as they improve the player’s performance in battle or keep them alive by providing healing or buffs. In most games pets are quest rewards and/or simply buyable in specific stores. Especially in SAO you’d expect the players to do everything they can to stay alive, so it is pure nonsense that no one else is using a pet. Silica is even mocked for having one.
>>281911390Popularity and quality or originality are barely correlated if at all.An anime/game/song whatever doesn't have to be the first to do something, or the best at it to become the one that hits the mainstream and becomes popular. Often it's the right thing at the right time kind of thing, or simply pure luck.
SAO tries to appeal to MMO-gamers by making references to game-mechanics, but fails because most of the references are inaccurate and the great majority of MMO basics have been completely ignored.So, because the show has no respect for its sources, despite MMO-gamers being the main target audience, those are the people who dislike the show the most.
SAO is a game where not taking damage is preferable to taking damage, yet some characters still take damage. This shows that the characters are all idiots who do not understand this simple principle.
>>281911418People are familiar with the game and the basics of how it works, which is part of why people laugh at the blue knight dude when he says he has a class, the game has no actual builds too since its dependant on your own actual fighting abilities. And as far as we know the game doesn't have a plot because we don't have any in game NPCs other than Yui and the mobs. And again, the beta players did put out a guide so its not as if new players were clueless, it's more so that Reiki wanted beta player discrimination to have an earlier way of forcing Kirito to be a solo player. Kirito only gets duel wielding because he has the fastest reaction time and Kayaba intentionally did that because he wanted one of the players to be the hero of SAO.So it wraps round again to wanting the MC to be even more special
>>281888232swarthoid envious seethe will always be hilarious to me
>>281911178>unique skills for special snowflakes only >I know about unique itemsWhy keep bringing it up if you know it's a thing aside from (you)s. >People would have surely watched trailers and read marketing blurbs, visited the website, wbich would likely have a deacription of some key characters, backstory, maybe skill lists and descriptions, and 100% would describe its unique mechanics.You're asking why the website didn't spoil 100% of the entire game, when the easy explanation is that the dev didn't want the game to be spoiled that much. He wanted it to be an "you can't look up a walkthrough online" very immersive experience, you play and stumble into a Star Wars jedi because the game is that big and immersive.>why newb players make mistakeswew
Kirito out-levels everyone in the game and is able to overpower everyone in the game. Why? He spends a lot of time on floors well below his level, fights almost exclusively solo and by his own admission he is leveling inefficiently. So why is he better than everyone? Well because he’s the main character obviously. But in the logic of the story’s universe there is no reason why he should be as strong as he is, in fact he should by rights be weaker than dedicated front-liners like Asuna. But he isn’t because the story is so Kirito-centric, and frankly the fact that the story is heavily focused on a single player in a big MMO sort of reflects the author’s lack of understanding as to what an MMO’s strength’s are.
>>281911528There are many ingame NPCs and they are often referenced. Klein even tries to date NPCs.>And again, the beta players did put out a guide so its not as if new players were clueless, it's more so that Reiki wanted beta player discrimination to have an earlier way of forcing Kirito to be a solo player.At a basic level we agree. My provlem is that everyone not named kirito acted like a retarded toddler trying to figure out how to get pegs into the right shaped hole. Kirito was the same except the holes magically reform to the shape of his pegs in realtime.>Kirito only gets duel wielding because he has the fastest reaction time Which is unrealistic on many levels, but most of all because it was said he got there to practice, in a world that includes players who have nothing to do but 24/7 nolife games while he's a school kid.
>>281911932Are you retarded or pretending?>a few teaser details as is basically mandatpry for marketing reason = spoiling 100% of the gamewake up retard, most players didn't even know about party status indicators, unique skills, basic game settings, or opening menus.
>>281912367>unique skills>>He wanted it to be an "you can't look up a walkthrough online" very immersive experience, you play and stumble into a Star Wars jedi because the game is that big and immersive.Why are you even bring up unique skills...to make your point and undermine yourself? We already established that, the dev wanted them to figure out the unique parts. The website would then talk about only the most basic stuff or show a trailer where you can't see the details clearly but nothing that deep. It would then Peter Molyneux as the marketer shows up and say buzzwords like "it's the first VRMMO...you can do anything".As for the rest. Not everyone looks an entire Let's Play on youtube of a game and looks at entire guides on all skills before even logging in for the first time. Wikias were new at the time, so specially at the time. What are you expecting? Even if they're kinda casual to wank kirito.
>>281912341>Which is unrealistic on many levelsIt's not, your reaction time is a combination of genetics and physical condition. high elo competitive players for games like FPS, RTS and Fighting Games are good examples.
People in this thread seriously acting like this
>>281912588That's the point cletus, even supposed beta players were acting like they never played a game in their life, let alone saw a fucking trailer.The unique skills wpuld have obviously been heavily advertised. What and how wpuld be another matter. Juat like secret classes were often teased in similar ways.Meanwhile everything about the concept of them is nonsense.Tell your special needs nurse to wipe the drool off your face now.
>>281912726You just said the quiet part out loud and thus demonstrated how impossible it is for weak scrawny nerd with not so much time to practice kirito jesus kun to be the highest reflex player in a highly hyped aupposedly skill-based game that wpuld attract various competitive genre's top players.
>>281913025SAO is very smart compared to the dumb nonsense people say in this thread
>>281913180True, sao defemders can only exiat by being significantly dumber than sao itself after all.
>>281874481I vaguely remember losing interest on this show after the later seasons where I felt like it lost its charm. The first season was genuinely good. What is strange to me is WHY it was good. Looking back, it had the hall-marks of everything wrong with recent Anime especially with game mechanics and when Kirito finally woke up, I was super hyped for future seasons.I think it simply executed its initial premise well. And the looming threat of dying in real life if you die in the game was sufficient enough to keep things tense. Unfortunately, the author probably had no good idea where to take it and it doesn't help the fact that the characters are shallow af. Better villains or at least explore the game world a bit more would have helped. Like Shangri-la Frontier.
>>281874481SAO was wrong about full dive, but completely right about AI.We have (shitty) games with AI driven NPCs and art design TODAY. It won't be long before entire chunks of game content are generated by AI, and soon after some insane bastard will make the Aincrad game engine real.
>>281874481It's bad, I think is simple as that. Nowadays, if you launch a bad product and it coincides with certain timeframes and mood, people will shit on it even without looking because it's so safe to do. If sao was ANY good, the memes would be about how it filters normies or something, but it's just a bad anime.
>>281910608>a certain poop is better than the othernot a very high barthe only personality in SAO is a character getting annoyed by something, which Gook Leveling also possess, that's the entirety of the meaning of the word "personality"
>>281913177I don't see how genetics + physical condition would make it impossible for Kirito to have the highest reaction time, dude lives in a dojo.
>>281913648It is explicitly stated he basically never practiced and prefered games. He even changes his mind and starts training later as a result of sao. He is a scrawny nerd in shitty physical conditions who only trains reactions in games, but also most of the games he plays doesn't need particularly good reflexes. It is noted he likes rpg's and fantasy themes, and has no real exp in fps. Racing games also don't require quick reflexes. No fighting games involved. So you think not a single serious kendo club kid in the whole of japan was in there? Not a single person playing actual sports among the adults? Not a single nolifer with more experience in high-reaction-speed games? Not even just one of the 1000 beta players with a better physique and more reasons to improve them?Instead, if he had a more generic knowledge relates skill like knowledge of all skills and axquisition conditions, and it was said that it's because he was the most knowledgeable about the game, because he would have spent time fucking around memorizing the lore and shit instead of playing, that would have been believable while still making him the gary stu we all know. As a bonus it would explain many other parts, like why he knows everything for no reason espexially past floor 8, or how he could hack yui into an item, or how he could possibly find good gear better than all other players combined deapite the other 999 beta players and the fact he keeps to lower level areas and himself points out he is leveling ineficiently, etc
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?ENTER
jesus this thread is still alive even after the SAO spammer tired to take it to the post limit
>>281913900Kirito is just a genius who comes from a lone line of swordsmen, he's just that guy.
>>281874481>Where does all SAO hate come from?I am incapable of thinking for myself, as I have a 30 IQ, thus I watch JewTube video "essayists" to help shape my belief system and they said SAO is repulsive.
>>281874481>but it was the first Isekai of its kindno it wasn't>launched the genre into popularitythat isn't a good thingSAO isn't bad, but it's way overrated.
>>281914237It's also not isekai, dammit. (though I hear they eventually came up with an isekai angle in one of the sequels)"STUCK IN A GAME" IS NOT ISEKAI.STOP IT YOU MORONS.dot hack is not isekaisao is not isekailog horizon is isekaiif you don't know the difference then you should just stfu and kys yourself
>>281914710Meds.
>>281909739Laughing Coffin isn't a real guild, it was never registered in the system because orange and red players can't make guilds. It's byproduct of old MMOs like in Ultima Online where if your Karma (through stuff like PK and stealing) is low enough, you get branded a criminal and can get jailed, unable to trade and will end up getting attacked by ridiculously high level guard.Source: Volume 5 chapter 6.>>281911218Literally bullshit reason he just came up with, his real motive was that he wanted to imprison the Titan's Hand Guild.
>>281914770>if I rewrite the story in my head, it's not that bad actually
So, just finished rereading original LN 1.My primary complaint would be about Kirito's last stand against Kayaba being "fueled by his willpower" . While common trope, it doesn't make much sense while in a game. Just doesn't feel right.Asuna's crush on Kirito doesn't make sense from the start, but is explained later on.Kayaba's motivation is glanced on, but not fully explained. Not sure if I made things up in my head or if it is expaneded on in later novels.The gameplay makes sense. It is explained the gameplay is intentionally developed that way.Another complain is how quickly Kirito and Asuna shift to "husband and wife" mode. While the emotions are high after Kirito almost dies and Asuna saves him, it still feels weird.
>>281915149The first novel really feels like some kind of a one-shot proof-of-concept for a longer, more expansive story. It is no wonder it has been expanded on and retconned multiple times in the various side stories and the progressive series and by the main story in general.
Log Horizon did it better
>>281915149Look, here's how you fix Kayaba. You replace him with Oberon. Make him a rapist. Make him want to be the first man to discover genuine mind control.You make the tone of the story Seinen, not Shounen.
>>281916199Nah. Kayaba was perfectly good villain.
>>281913970this mentally ill faggot should never be posted here
>>281916855digi won snob lost
>>281915149That image again...It's good art, so, why not I guess?
>>281915149They aren't in a "game" per se. They're in the GPT world built on the increasingly real in real life Aincrad engine. It both enforces the game rules AND is in charge of generating story content. A hero overcoming impossible odds against a villain is a peak fantasy trope. A smart AI would bend the game rules and let him cook.
>>281918302I guess one can justify the story like that.It is just that the LN itself doesn't suggest any of that. It does later retcon things. But I would say it is always better to keep things self-contained.
I hated sao when his super cheat power was just dual wielding a standard thing in most mmos
>>281918560doesn't suggest? it's stated very early on that SAO uses cutting edge tech where you can talk to NPCs like people, and it can generate quests all on its own. Doesn't that sound an awful lot like the AI tech we know today?
>>281892703Web Novel was written in 2001
>>281918781In the first, original novel? I've just reread it and nowhere does it say that. At least not as explicitly. It might have been added later.
>>281908647>first floor is the biggest, including its dungeon>everyone has just been put in a literal death game where the labyrinths explicitly have barely reactable random traps so progress is extremely slow>basically no clearing groups actually exist yet so it's just small parties dying and not sharing any information they do have>there's barely any XP for anyone because they only have access to 1 floorCome on secondary-kun
>>281919030If you have a look at all of the dude's posts, it's pretty clear he's a frodo.
>>281919030I also remember something about teleport and healing crystals only being available on later floors.
>>281877884SAO abridged fixed Asuna by making her a Racist Yandere.
>>281914770>Laughing Coffin isn't a real guildThis is a literal plot point in the abridged. What the fuck do you mean it's not a registered guild?
>>281874763.hack is based. I'm glad its dead so that it can't be ruined by the modern age.
>>281919292No way, an Abridgedfag came across a plot hole introduced that wasn't part of the original?
>>281919342Bee Train and Cuckdai scamco ruined the series far worse than what the modern landscape of gaming would've done to it.
>>281918897It was published in Fall 2002, at the earliest there was the version that lost the Dengeki Game Novel Prize 2002 with that being what drove him to just do it as a web novel instead of hoping for the prize money and fast track print publishing, which was mentioned by Kawahara in the afterward for the first LN. But in the end publishing date is what matters since you aren't going to find dates for when someone started working on it.For example with .hack//Sign coming out April 2002 while being the first part of a larger planned multimedia franchise with interconnected stories, the second of which was a video game released in June 2002 alongside a tie in anime included with the game and the third part being a novel released in September 2002, they likely would've started working on it early 2001 or late 2000 since they had to be keeping two anime, a novel, and a game all in line with one another, with the game development starting in 2000 according to the dev team and Bandai. But none of that matters since .hack//Sign actually started broadcast on April 4, 2002.
>>281911218She did when it was written. This is Silica back in the webnovel. They likely didn't bother changing the line for the light novel because ultimately it's just an excuse for Kirito to go along with her while he's hunting the bandits, so it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
>>281919511Oh my fucking god this is so much better, what the fuck. Why did they change Silica so much?
>>281919511STICK
>>281919292>What the fuck do you mean it's not a registered guild?He means just that. To be a registered guild with all the system perks, you do a short easy quest to form a guild and it registers your name in the system, you get a guild icon by your name, can buy a guild house, etc. Laughing Coffin didn't do any of that. They just hung out in safe areas in dungeons and marked membership with a tattoo of their "guild mark" if they felt like it. That's how Kuradeel could "join" Laughing Coffin while still being part of the KoB. >>281919531Probably because Kawahara himself played with the design a bit after that initial one, and they opted to go with something closer to the profile design he came up with, rather than the design for the short story title image. I suppose aside from the hair length and shading, it could be considered the before and after of Kirito giving her better gear on their trip to the higher floor.
>>281874481I guess because it was a lot of people first exposure to an anime with the more "otaku" tropes which would make your average Naruto fan at the time feel repelled by it.
>>281919866lolwutMost of the people who loved it were those fairly new Naruto loving types.An image that used to get spammed was already posted in this thread of a normalfag pop journalist saying SAO was the smartest anime in years, because SAO's audience WAS those normalfags.
>>281919268She was already a yandere, they didn't upgrade her at all. If anything the nasally American voice is a gigantic downgrade.
>>281877884>biggest flaw in the series is Asuna.How?
>>281920613She's the real mary sue.
>>281919732You forget that to be a functioning member of kob, a lc member must have high enough karma.to waltz into towns, meaning they could have just formed the guild in this way no problem, retard-chan.
>>281920636Nobody, not even asuna, is allowes to do something or have a life if kirito isn't around though, and asuna never out-sue's kirito (though the author tries)
>>281921087Retard-kun, it's literally stated in the novels that LC wasn't officially registered. You keep this up and I'll be forced to correct you.>>281921155>Nobody, not even asuna, is allowes to do something or have a life if kirito isn't around thoughThe progressive movies?Bro, the entirety of Mother's Rosario?Ordinal Scale?The Ocean Turtle?
>>281919292Yes, it's a literal plot hole in the Abridged. The faggot who replaces PoH would've been an orange player by the time LC was begining to form meaning they wouldn't be able to register their guild, and even if they did no-one would be able to join because they're orange or red players (who are banned from joining guilds).
>>281921285I didn't say they're a guild, illiterate inbred-chan, I said your bullshit mocksplanation is retarded even by sao standards. No surprise, all sao fans are clinically retarded after all.
>>281921589No but you're a retard who thinks they could just register a guild and join and you spout a load of wank that doesn't mean shit.
I thought abridged was more like a parody, why people are complaining about plot-holes and shit? It's supposed to be a humorous parody without any purpose of being taken seriously.
Why is it that it's always so easy to prove that anyone who still hates on SAO are literal brainlets?
>>281921480Saoa does not make it a guild. That woulsn't be a plothole unless the same mechanics are also part of saoa anyway. Nice self-own.
>>281921710because everyone was mindbroken by the ecelebs who kept slinging mud at the original
>>281921734It literally is a guild, good to know Abridgedfags don't even pay attention to it.
>>281921710Because people are praising it for supposedly being SAO but better
>>281921722Go ahead and prove it, I'm a fencesitter so no need to address anything about me.
>>281921667It's amazing that you even manage to string 2 words together with your outrageously low iq. How can an lc.member infiltrate a large guild and not raise suspicion long enough to gain a high status, but also be unable to create or join a guild? Think inbred think. There is no valid answer, it's just bottom of the barrel retarded slop writing by a tard. Just a tiny example of how everything works in sao's writing.
>>281921710because sao is so unbelievably bad that abridged unironically manages to fix the plotholes, give characters actual personalities, have a life outside kirito, have villains with motivations that actually make sense, etc.All the while being parody.
Bump limit, oh yeah.
>>281921826I hope you realise it's called a mental illness to be so critically lacking in brain function and capacity.
>>281921776>get btfo>cry like a bitchEvery time
glad this thread will be gone from the catalog now
>>281921710The abridged takes itself too seriously, go figure.
>>281921885time for glop
>>281921916I'm sorry, you're right. Making fun of you was a low blow. Such severe disability is nothing to laugh at and my mommy taught me better.
>>281921923I'm just pointing out how you're wrong anon and how you don't even care enough to pay attention to the series you're defending. No need to get angry.
>>281921960What the...that's very long, I quit before the gif ended.
>>281921989Cry more bitch nigga
>>281921875It adds plotholes that didn't exist in the original, turns all characters into memetic jokes, does things that SAO also does while somehow getting praised for it, turns villains into stupid jokes, etc
>>281921994Kek
>>281921960>>281921994>>281922032Finally some good posts
>>281922022Holy newfag, go fucking lurk indefinitely.
>>281922064False and lmao butthurt
See what I mean?
Kirito is such a shitty faggot protagonist I love the NTR doujins because of this
>>281922091I know that it's taken from the light novels or something but the fact that it's a gif and not a webm or mp4 combined with how there is only one word on screen at any given time was like ''when does it end?'' It doesn't have anything to do with being a ''newfag''.
>>281922148Yes it does, if you literally haven't seen this gif to its end it means you're a fucking newfag that should go lurk indefinitely. Hell better yet, go kill yourself.
>>281922148Not him but if you haven't seen this gif, you're definitely a newfag.
>>281922213>go kill yourselfOf course you had to say something like this...disappointing.I guess you don't deny that the gif is long and can make someone be like ''how long is this?'' then
>>281922148Worse than a newfag: a tiktok-brained zoomer newfag
>>281922222Checkem quints
>>281922222Based, all newfags need to lurk 10 years before posting
>>281922289It's too late. There is nothing but newfags now so lurking wouldn't help them.
>>281922222Why do newfags even exist?
Daamn, this guy's right >>281874532, it really was just the newfags trying to fit in huh?
>>281875135It's not so much that people think there are no valid reasons to dislike or criticize SAO. Rather it's that so much of the reasons and "criticisms" people give are blatant bullshit. Some parroting bullshit complaints of youtubers who obviously barely watched the anime. Others coming up with their own bullshit. Case in point this thread, which is filled with people saying that SAO is a rip off of .hack, who are not only denying the facts of the timeline but apparently have never watched or played .hack as the series are so dissimilar it's almost laughable. As well as filled with people blatantly unfamiliar with SAO inventing strawmen to bash on the series. Case in point of the last bit, this retard >>281921826He's busy throwing a fit because people pointed out that Laughing Coffin isn't a formally registered guild in SAO. He's now throwing a shitfit about how it should be totally possible for Laughing Coffin to register a guild in the game and it's retarded to suggest otherwise. But he's attacking a strawman. No one said it was 100% impossible for Laughing Coffin to register a guild. They simply said that LC hadn't registered as a guild in the system. That's a simple fact stated in the novels, which never said that LC couldn't even in theory, just that they hadn't. Presumably to help remain anonymous, but the novels never really get into the discussion of why. The anime doesn't either, presumably because it considers showing you that joining a guild puts their icon next to your name is enough information to conclude that LC wouldn't want to be so easily identifiable. So when criticism of a series is of this poor caliber, people have good reason to dismiss it out of hand as bad faith criticism.
Newfag this, newfag that. Cope and fucking seethe SAOtards
>gets outed as a newfag>Proceeds to cry about itKek, what a bitch.
>>281922363have yet to see a.single counteraegument itt. The best I see is "noooo sao is exactly like an mmo. No I never played an mmo but if it's in sao it must be a real old mmo thing okay!!!!" Obviously, that doesn't qualify.
>>281922363Thanks for proving my point that SAO retards are illiterate and clinically retarded lmao
>>281922374>get called out as newfag>tries this hard at damage controllol SAOtard
>>281922363Hi slowpoke, you're 20 years too late to the table. See you next decade to cry about too much isekai anime
never watched it but have seen all the various talkpoints about it. I can understand hating it back then for a handful of reasons but its been like 13 years since the anime aired right?if you're still angry about sword art online now its a bit pathetic
Very informative thread. I now know not to take anything from a SAOfag or SAO hater seriously
>>281922363Someone points out that laufcof activity doesn't make sense and here you are losing your mind and claiming it's about id it's a real guild. Really makes you think. Well not YOU since you lack the capacity, but anyway.
>>281922678I have not seen anyone say anything bad about sao out of the blue since people droped it around ggo. Random normalredsitards coming in and shilling it has been common lately though
>>281922718Is this the part where you just make shit up in a desperate attempt to convince yourself that you didn't just lose an argument like a complete retard?
