>NarutoLiteral chosen one reincarnation of ninja deity, given infinite energy cheat from birth and handed the most experienced teachers who knew techniques that basically removed any need for actual hard work>LuffyReincarnation of some ultra special freedom spirit who was given the most broken overpowered devil's fruit to ever exist, son of a revolutionary leader and grandson of an mega-marine>IchigoA pie chart of his inherited powers would look like a wheel of fortuneI could go on and on. Is there a single protagonist in manga who *actually* works hard? And by hard work i don't mean "oh this guy has all this super duper special talent but to use it he had to put in a hundredth of the effort a normal person would have taken to achieve a thousandth of the effect"
>>281917965FPBP/thread
>>281917965>>281918081Not an argument :^)
>>281917926TanjiroNegi SpringfieldSaitamaGoblin SlayerCid
>>281917926World Trigger
>>281918387>TanjiroSure, his father wasn't anyone important who knew a dance that was conveniently also an immensely powerful technique, right?Anyway, every battle shonen protagonist is a mix of effort and privilege. Even the aforementioned examples, like Naruto, need to train hard to perfect themselves.Now, when it comes to special lineage, Deku is the only MC I know whose parents are normal.
>>281917926Guts comes to mind.It's actually the main antagonist who's privileged lol
>>281919070>CHADjiroWell, the story explains very well that the sun breathing alone is nothing special, just the original breathing art , but that alone is just an equalizer for tangerine to reach the other pillars and pull more tricks.Other than that, what was really special was how a monster like Yoriichi was able to boost it up to god hood levels and traumatized Koku and Muzan with it.Tangerine was just the scrub hard working his way to just use a bootle but stable version of it.>dekuThe guy is so glazed and dicksucked by his own manga that might as well be a choosen one. The manga constantly sucks his dick except when it must pull some artificial hardship (like the final chapter) that nothing feels really hearned or developed. He might as well join Kirito and your average Isekai protagonist in the “underdog but gary stues” club
>>281917926Ichigo is technically not a chosen one since there are like 5 other chosen, he is just extremely talented and they never pretended otherwise from the beginning with him having a huge sword because he has lot of inate energy
>>281920005>Deku who doesn't defeat the main villain, breaks all his bones and loses his powers in the end>Gary Stu>Tanjiro, who always pulled a power out of his ass at the last second of every fight and who went from a nobody to the main villain's main adversary just because>HardworkerYou read both of the manga with your ass, I see.
>>281920176>he is just extremely talentedthe mf is literally a rare species that carries within itself the blood of several races
>I only read one genre of comics from 1 publisher from 1 magazine and they all seem the same, what the fuck!
>>281917926>I could go on and on. Is there a single protagonist in manga who *actually* works hard?Luffy did work hard, though. His chosen powers manifested only once he died in like chapter 1000+. Before that he struggled, got beaten, lost fights, lost loved ones and fought to get there. He ultimately faced the "world's strongest creature" and still it took four separate fights of consecutive losses before he lost and died due to foul play, which awakened the special powers. Up until then, despite the vague hints, no one could've realistically said Luffy had super special mega power. And after all that struggle, and even after unlocking the powers, he's still the same guy, and wouldn't be where is without struggle and hard work.
>>281917926It's honestly kinda fucked up that there are fully grown adults that genuinely believe that this is how the real world works and get angry when you point out that it's complete bullshit from Japanese writers that just want to write cool stories for kids.
>>281917926Its because the ideal japanese hero is a mix of skills, nobility and having good genetics.Based classic shonen like Kamen Rider, Cyborg 009, Deviman or any mechas shows ignore this.In terms of new shonen, Otr and the Hero Organisation MC don't fall in Luffy's or Naruto's ilks.
>>281921164>loses his powers in the endWhat's hilarious is that the OFA user that looks like bakuGOD told him to do it. LMAO deKEK is bakugo's cum rag till the very end. He should've been like Asta
>>281921398Asta is literally Deku but worst. Dude would have died if it was not for the funny black book, and his fanboys wants you to believe that pushing weights gives him any merits.
>>281917926Anon has read 12 manga, all from Shonen Jump, so he's basically an expert on the medium: the thread
>>281921398>asstahis manga was axed for being shit bcuck
>>281917926Taira clears all of these fools.
>>281921508>MC with no powers in a society where normal people have powers>oh cool it's gonna be how he becomes the best hero despite the fact he's magicle->NOPE, he just gets the best power out of nowhere>people still look down on him for not having powers>the story treats him like the spunky underdog for 'not having powers'>gets two more unique superpowers before the end of the first story arcBC is like MHA on really strong drugs
>>281921851>people still look down on him for not having powers>the story treats him like the spunky underdog for 'not having powers'This was hilarious. Like, the story really, REALLY, wanted you to believe that he was the underdog lmao.
>>281917926Been years since I read Tokyo Ghoul, but from what I recall the kid in that was pretty average and gained his speciality through the experience he went through. Being turned into a half-ghoul at the start didn't make him a winner, it just put him in the race to compete with them at all.
>>281921851>BC is like MHA on really strong drugsNot just MHA. Asta is like the bastard son of Touma from Raildex and Deku from Hero Academia, on steroids for both his abilities and plain old physical roids.
>>281917926Just like real life. Prodigies are born not made>>281921376your screencap is confused. Isaac Newton was the chosen one even if his parents were not
>>281917926GutsThe more fun one is Goku, honestly. Goku had one "chosen one" moment, when he was revealed to be a Saiyan at the start of Z. Prior to that he was a spumky id who worked harder than anyone else, and it paid off. Funnily enough, even AFTER the Saiyan origin reveal, he STILL had to work his ass off constantly to keep up with the power scaling. Compressed time, multiples of Earth gravity - even with his "recover from injury for a powerup" cheat, he constantly works his ass off to keep ahead of the game.
>>281917965Seething Bleachtard
>>281917926Imo if you want something complex and interesting you shouldn't be watching shonen
>>281921202funny way to say his mom was raped by a hollow while she was pregnantichigo is the opposite of a chosen one, he's a borderline science experiment that happened to survive instead of being a stillbirtheven the push to make him the soul king at the end was a desperation play by everyone, he always gets by and surprises everyone but it's off his own work, his own grit, he was not foretold to arrive like luffy, he doesnt have important lineage like naruto, beyond being an aforementioned hodgepodge of pokemon types, and it's never even outright stated that this hodgepodge is what makes him a good soul king vessel / student for squad zero's training / substitute shinigami in the first placeif you want you can call it contrivance that he always manages to pull a final power kind of out of his ass, just because he has to, you can. But this is a story where the good guys win and frankly, if it's this or, "the heroes were destined to win" like in those other stories, I prefer this
>>281922513>checks notesactually it turns out guts is more chosen one than any of them, his clash with griffith/femto is pre-ordained and in fact may have been playing out for millenia now
>>281922600>ichigo is the opposite of a chosen one, he's a borderline science experiment that happened to survive instead of being a stillbirthMore like a living setpiece for cool transformations and fights.
>>281917926>Is there a single protagonist in manga who *actually* works hard?Most school music club manga are about nobodies.
KaijiMadarame Baku
>>281917926Senpai from Nagatoro is one of the most self-made chads out there.
>>281917926I don't understand the obsession with "but did he work hard?"
Asta is the best shonen protagonist: his magic is never giving up!
>>281923212>>281923543Try "talent".
>>281921314True
>>281920005>The guy is so glazed and dicksucked by his own manga that might as well be a choosen one.Doesn't this apply to like every MC ever? For example, take someone like Takemichi from Tokyo Revengers who despite not having any extraordinary talents still gets this same type of treatment despite the fact that he got Draken killed and yet everybody just forgives him in the blink of an eye.
>no special blood>not chosen one
>>281923796>O my seven quirks>chosen by all might even though Mirio had far more talent than him
>>281923796the series literally starts with him being chosen to inherit the (literal and metaphorical) DNA of the greatest hero in all of history ever, which gives him special blood that could pass the same power along to someone else.
>>281917926One Piece could've subverted the chosen one archetype by making Ace the chosen one and killing him off. But descending from Garp, Dragon, training from Rayleigh, and the Nika fruit are just too much
Luffy's power is just rubber.
>>281923865>>281923883so is All Might a chosen one?he was chosen to get OfA
>>281919793Guts was born in shit and his life eventually turns into shit. Sorry, but he is "special" shit.
>>281917926>Is there a single protagonist in manga who *actually* works hard?The three in your image did work hard. Sure, they had advantages, but it's not like they sat on the couch all day eating chips. All of them went through training, fights, and probably near death experiences.Are you looking for someone that worked hard, or someone that was ordinary and made it to the top on their efforts alone?
Check THIS hard worker out
>>281924053One begins to wonder if he just hates the genres he watches
>>281923965He was, for like 40 years. Why wouldn't he be?
>>281917926>he had to put in a hundredth of the effort a normal person would have taken to achieve a thousandth of the effect>normal personIf everyone is able to become a shonen protagonist with god like powers by just working really really really really hard then every character would have no reason to not become a godAnd all of a sudden the plot is non functional because everyone in the setting is capable of stopping the protagonist
>>281924468>why doesn't everyone just work 100,000 times as much as the protagonist who already trains 24/7, just to stop the gap from increasing. And then more than that to have a hope of catching up the years of difference and surpass him.I don't know anon, why don't you become a world champion heavy weight boxer and decathlon athlete. Just put in the effort, man. And you're not even going against superhuman anime protagonists, just other normal humans.
>>281922441>your screencap is confusedHow the hell did you completely miss the point? Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz was the Shonen chosen one who was born with every possible chance to succeed while Newton was born a nobody who should have never even come close to Leibniz's level, yet Newton is the more famous and respected one. Newton was not born a genius, he made himself into one despite a birth that shouldn't have allowed him to do so.>Just like real life. Prodigies are born not madeIt's genuinely sad that you still believe that. Prodigies are made by their own efforts. Read any biography by one and you'll notice a common obsession that drives them forward.
>>281917926Shirahama Kenichi.He trains all the time and very slowly crawls his way towards the top tiers in his age group by the end of the manga. His martial arts career is basically a challenge run by a group of genius masters to see if they can make a decent martial artist out of someone completely untalented. His contribution is putting up with the comical level of training abuse they put him through.
>>281924722>The protagonist is the first person in the world to discover if they train hard they can punch away mountains>No one else has had access to this information before him and has been training longer somehow
>>281917926I don't get it? We should write about total loser characters? MHA is right there, Deku is waiting.
>>281917926Kenshin. Started out as just a slave kid whose peasant parents died of cholera. Ended up being the second strongest by sheer grit. The only thing special is that he was "lucky" enough to be taught by the strongest, but there was nothing inherently special about him.
>>281926261>"lucky" enough to be taught by the strongest,LMAO
>>281923865>>281923883You do remember that he had to work his ass off for months to earn OFA right?
>>281917926
>>281926371Did you finish the rest of the sentence?
>>281926587Nah I checked out after his small loan of a million dollars
>>281926627The question was about protagonists who work hard. Kenshin worked hard. He wasn't given any special powers. Don't be stupid.
>>281926646Fuck all that. He had keys to the kingdom in his lap.
>>281926687I said don't be stupid.
>>281926705Bullshit. If Elon Musk adopts some low IQ kid and that kid ends up becoming a super genius nobody on the planet is going to say "wow that kid sure worked hard"
>>281923796>gets told repeatedly that breaking his arms again would render them permanently beyond repair>brakes them worse than ever before when fighting shiggy>no damage, healed just fineO my inconsistent weakness
>>281926834What a dogshit analogy. Swordplay isn't like a normal education.
>>281921851>>281921951You're fucking retarded LMAO.Asta was only an underdog power-wise for Half of the story, maybe even less, and it was justified.His power was always in his swords, him gaining control of anti-magic happened way later, you would know if you read it before shittalking. Also hes a fucking glass canon, so while his power is devastating for most of his enemies, they would eventually win the fights by attrition because anti-magic exerts a physical toll on Asta.>"but people still look down on his powersThey come from a fucking devil lmao, it's the correct thing to do.You've been making the same retarded comments for over 5 years now, it's time to get a job and stop being fucking retards lol.
>>281922513>GokuI would even argue that being a saiyan just added to the fact that he worked hard to get where he is because was apparently a low level saiyan at birth
>>281917926Johnny
>>281918387>negiHe took the easy way by learning magia erebea from Eva, no? Also bitch ass
>>281926419Months really feel like nothing when you had some of the other students training their whole lives...It's like going to the NBA because you spent a few months practicing with Micheal Jordan, who then gave you his magical shoes that made you the best basketball player of all time.
>>281922513>Goku had one "chosen one" moment, when he was revealed to be a Saiyan at the start of Z. Of course no anon, Goku would be fucked without his teachers.
>>281917926ZOOMERS OUT
>>281917926Worthless discourse. All chosen ones work hard.
>>281917926working hard is the boring part so skipping that is based. Being powerful and kicking ass is the fun part
>>281922513>Goku had one "chosen one" moment, when he was revealed to be a Saiyan at the start of ZCan it really be a chosen one moment when seconds later, Raditz reveals that the reason Goku was sent to Earth was because his power level was so abysmally low that the only use they had for him was to be an infiltrator baby. Goku was by far the weakest Saiyan in the universe at the start of Z.
>>281917926I like Naruto all throughoutOne Piece is great pre-skip but nose dives after Carrot exits, she made post-skip for me. Bleach I didn't get too far.
>>281927063>brakes them worse than ever before when fightingHe was using Faux 100% and later used Blackwhip as kinetic coils to offset physical blowback though?
>>281917926Ichigo? He's only special by virtue of being a super mutt which by itself is not different than just being really talented. In fact there's an argument to be made here for the other two as well. If there's an issue with this stories is a character being made great by fate itself and in that, both OP and Nard shat the bed.
>>281926419yeah, after he was promised OFA for being suicidal and putting children and cops in mortal danger
>Inherits his father's privately owned nuke and uses it for longer than the Seitei War wielders did>Even after using it for 3 years he still struggles against geniuses like Sojo who in 1 week matched up to him>Admits he's a shitter that's been carried by his sword and says he needs to git gud>Turns out that he inherited his father's autistic eyes too and this allows him to be the only one to very fast copy other sword st- LOL nope, he gets matched with another autistic retard that pulls the same shit in 2 minutes.Chihiro is a shitter with a 3 year head start, his rivals are all prodigies that would have already mastered Enten had they gotten it 3 years before the story begun.
>>281932063>uses it for longer than the Seitei War wielders didThis isn't even an advantage either because enchanted blade holders can apparently train and heighten their understandings of the blades without actually having the blades themselves. Samura turned Suzaku into a revival ability without actually having his sword. When the Sword Saint gets his blade he'll probably be even stronger than he was during the war.
>>281917926Edward?Yusuke?
>>281926451Who?
>>281917926My GOAT I think, I can't really remember what the 150 plot twists in the second half revealed about him, but I think he was a normal dude before getting turned into a Lizard right?
>>281923865>chosen by all might even though Mirio had far more talent than himYes? All Might was chosen himself to inherit OfA. Plus, he showed his grit by trying to save Bakugo while being unpowered.In fact, Hori was going to do a Batman style Midoria before he was told to do a "punch harder" protag.
>>281921376you don't realize how much nepo babies completely out number humble beginnings people
>>281928619It still doesn't change the fact that anti-magic sweeps the verse. I even like Asta more than deKEK but there is nothing 'underdog' about him.
>>281923459post the full image
>>281928619So does everybody except mc know it's from a devil except mc and only that power is and they never tell MC until 100 chapters in? The beginning reads like a 「Weakest Skill is Strongest」isekai lol.
>>281917926>I could go on and on. Is there a single protagonist in manga who *actually* works hard?ENTER:
>>281923796>not chosen one>literally chosen by the strongest hero in history
guts
>>281917926Iruma.
>>281925582Stop this meme.Literally has a master level aura in the earlier chapters.
>>281917926What are some good gore sites with fucked up deaths? Did not read your shit thread BTW
>Weapon of Mass Destruction vs literally just a guy>>281922311Kaneki literally got handed the most valuable Kagune which was special because it had abnormal regeneration as well as being able to turn the host into the Dragon.The difference here is that for Kaneki it's all a burden and makes his life miserable.
So not a chosen one isn't even around for half of his own series.
naruto isn't the reincarnation of a deity, but the reincarnation of a regular guy
>>281917926It's a shame, because both OP and Naruto started out as the scrappy underdog sort of protagonist.But it seems so many series are prone to going in the direction of making it about some super mega lore legendary once in a millennia hero that's been foretold and descended from kings to save the world from the most evilist thing to have ever existed.
>>281918961>Team battle tournement where all of my teammates are potentially strongest trion users in the verseSo much for the underdog premise
>>281921314He also took 10 years of training to actually use his powers without them backfiring on him or being useless, in a series where even literal children can control their powers near immediately.
